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    Well, for what it's worth, I'd like to think that...

    Well, for what it's worth, I'd like to think that we all will.
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    Some text possibly relevant to the present turn...

    Some text possibly relevant to the present turn of this discussion --
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    I don't know what you're talking about. Was not...

    I don't know what you're talking about. Was not offended. Was not trying to kid. Pretty straightforward post, really.
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    I'm just trying to remember if there was a thread...

    I'm just trying to remember if there was a thread already about why he returns to that specific moment.

    But I would also like to know "Who wrote the rule that says that there must always be rules,...
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    Merlin, I'm not really sure what physics...

    Merlin, I'm not really sure what physics principle you think it is that draws Roland always to "The man in black fled across the desert and the gunslinger followed." I think it's just Stephen King's...
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    Well, that implies there's something else which...

    Well, that implies there's something else which he needs to do differently this time in order to qualify for the opportunity to do that differently. But what's the point in that if what he does...
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    That's not as easy to answer. The relationship...

    That's not as easy to answer. The relationship of free will to salvation is a subject of debate, as is the relationship of time travel to free will. "The Dark Tower cycle" can also simply refer to...
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    No. After that, Roland meets Brown, and then he...

    No. After that, Roland meets Brown, and then he tells Brown the story of what he did before that -- the story of Tull.
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    It's pretty deep. When a false religious...

    It's pretty deep.
    When a false religious leader turns the people against you, letting them go ahead and martyr you certainly is the Christian thing to do.
    Plus, look at The Stand.
    On the other...
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    Then finally Roland reaches the top, and an...

    Then finally Roland reaches the top, and an alternate version of Stephen King publishes that story to a world who consider what he finds there to be no big deal, really.
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    It might be that all Mankind across all the...

    It might be that all Mankind across all the worlds are also trapped, going round and round, year after year.
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    According to Robin's Furth's Concordance he is...

    According to Robin's Furth's Concordance he is 336. At the start of the Gunslinger he was 36, then at the end he was aged 10yrs. But since time is different in his world, there is no way of telling...
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    Life is not a fable. Not to say that there's no...

    Life is not a fable. Not to say that there's no place for morality within it, but it is seldom easy to take a simple moral from events. Real humans have layered personalities because real truth has...
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    If I can make clear just one point on this...

    If I can make clear just one point on this thread, I'd really like for it to be that the word "salvation" does have a standard definition. Most of you are talking about liberation from the loop, and...
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    Cool. :) It's also interesting to notice that...

    Cool. :)
    It's also interesting to notice that it was inked by a virtually unknown artist named Jeff Gan. :o
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    the hero's journey

    Hm.:|

    Say, this conversation has reminded me of a rather obscure example. If you can find a copy, you might want to check out Superman: Man of Tomorrow #15, titled "Heart of Hell."

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    Okay. But why not? Are you saying that Roland...

    Okay. But why not? Are you saying that Roland needs to learn to be content with another form of salvation because of the fact that Gan will not provide a fairy tale ending, or more like Gan will...
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    Serenity is the pinnacle of Buddhist...

    Why would salvation be this perfect? I don't think salvation means "happy ending". I feel salvation offers very little... a little (but very valuable) peace to your soul... a happy sigh at the end of...
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    :lol: Are you sure that you could handle that,...

    :lol: Are you sure that you could handle that, LadyH? :scared:Yar. :D
    Nice, though I don't really expect that such would be Roland's ultimate destiny. We can't forget that even without the evil...
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    The Red, of course! The crumbling chaos. If not...

    The Red, of course! The crumbling chaos. If not for the fact that his world had moved on, he would not have promised himself to climb the Tower in the first place. -- Part Four, Chapter III

    If...
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