I seem to remember the people of River Crossing being a little surprised about Susannah for some reason. I just don't remember if it was the color of her skin or the fact that she's female.
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Quote:Great write up. Lots of good points here.
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Yeah but Robin Hood is an English folklore hero, China is an actual place. These are actual places with established physiological traits.
No I definitely remember reading that. Where was that? Perhaps in Bev's book?
Susan's last name is Delgado, a common surname in Mexico. 03-04-2016 09:21 AMfernanditoAttention users whom have completed The Dark Tower..
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Thanks everyone. 03-04-2016 09:37 AMBrian861 03-04-2016 09:44 AMmtdmanI've changed my mind and can't wait to see this. 03-04-2016 09:45 AMJohnny Alien 03-04-2016 09:48 AMBev Vincent 03-04-2016 09:55 AMBrian861 03-04-2016 11:00 AMCyberGhostfaceI wonder why people thought Rowling intended her to be white...
http://i.imgur.com/RSbn0KV.jpg 03-04-2016 11:06 AMWeDealInLeadTake it up with Rowling. She said skin colour was never mentioned. 03-04-2016 11:26 AMCyberGhostfaceI don't care about the casting but if she said that Hermione's race was ambiguous and that people only assumed that she was white then she's being disengenious.
Also both King and Rowling are writers who specify when a character isn't white. The one time King didn't was when Mike Hanlon was introduced in It which was deliberate on his part. 03-04-2016 12:14 PMIwritecode 03-04-2016 12:17 PMT-Dogz_AK47From J K Rowling herself....
"Canon: brown eyes, frizzy hair and very clever. White skin was never specified. Rowling loves black Hermione."
https://twitter.com/jk_rowling/status/678888094339366914?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw
There is nothing disingenuous in not specifying skin colour. It just means that race is not an issue to the story being told. If it's not a concern for the author, then it should not be a concern for the reader.
J K Rowling publically endorsed a black Hermione. Stephen King publically endorsed a black Roland. The characters in question are the intellectual property of those who created them. Whom is anyone to question the veracity of their endorsements?
Black or white. It matters not. 03-04-2016 01:08 PMCyberGhostfaceI never suggested otherwise.
What I said was disingenuous was the idea that people only assumed Hermione was white due to subconscious racism even though Rowling herself had depicted her as such in her own personal illustrations and not once in the close to two decades since the first book ever clarified or corrected authorized depictions of her as such.
Perhaps but Rowling went out of her way to specify when other characters were black even when they had no relevance to the plot. (I.E. Angelina Johnson and Dean Thomas) So she thought it was more relevant to say that a character with no significance to the plot was black but didn't specify once in seven books that Hermione was. 03-04-2016 01:09 PMLookwhoitis 03-04-2016 01:24 PMT-Dogz_AK47 03-04-2016 01:43 PMCyberGhostface 03-04-2016 02:42 PMfernandito 03-04-2016 03:11 PMRandall FlaggJust make and release a movie. I'll be ecstatic to provide my opinion/review then.
It's easy to see why making any movie is damn near impossible. 03-04-2016 03:19 PMTommyIf the film(s) are flops, would that affect the value of the limited editions? I would assume that if the adaptation were a huge hit that the values would increase. It's just a question and I'm sorry if I upset anyone with it. :rose: 03-04-2016 03:24 PMRahfa"White privilege" would apply in any case where your default assumption is the character looks like "you," with "you" being a white reader.
THAT is privilege - as in you are privileged to go through life assuming that the heroes will look like you unless you are specifically told otherwise. You're "privileged" to be the default position.
It's like Jesus Christ - he's not white, by any stretch of the imagination. He would look - at best - like a dark-skinned Israeli, and probably more like a Palestinian Arab. And yet, western culture has appropriated his image to fit our cultural expectations.
In Hermoine's case there is actually a brief reference to her skin color in the first book - and I'm pretty sure we had the discussion that Roland's color is mentioned as far as 'bronzed in the sun' or whatever.
The fact that SK especially draws attention to BLACK characters is privilige - not in a racist way, but just in the way "white skin" is the default of America. He doesn't say "this character is white," but DOES say "this character is black." So he's dividing the characters along one category, not the other category.
It's not racist, but when you live in a culture where the cultural assumption goes toward one skin color/religion/ethnicity/gender, THAT is what privilege is - so if you're a white male with a Christian/Protestant background you can expect American culture to generally look like, and skew toward you and your perspective. If you are not in that category, then you will often be the "other."
As in: "Oh, he's my Jewish friend so he has to wear that funny hat." or "It's so great that's she going to law school - great for women to get ahead!" or "I don't understand why black people complain about getting pulled over - I just hand them my license and they don't bother me!"
So privilege is not racism or bigotry or sexism, but simply drawing attention to how the "other" is not part of what is considered the mainstream (considered by who? White male Christians of course!)...when we say "Roland is white and should always will be white," what you're really saying is "Why does my cultural history have to change? Why can't it the stay the same as it always did? Why do I have to adapt?" 03-04-2016 03:27 PMRahfaI used to think so, but I don't think the two audiences -movie viewers and collectors - really overlap. There was a slight skew for comic books, for example, but it wasn't dramatic. So I don't think it will hurt, but I don't think it's going to matter that much.
The problem is the books are finished - so a new collector has no way to start NOW. It's not like you can say "okay, well let me try to get 'Book 10.'" It's already at the finish line. 03-04-2016 04:01 PMIsamu DysonCan't wait to see Jack team up with Draven. 03-04-2016 07:09 PMladysai[QUOTE=Rahfa;986200...when we say "Roland is white and should always will be white," what you're really saying is "Why does my cultural history have to change? Why can't it the stay the same as it always did? Why do I have to adapt?"[/QUOTE]
In my humble opinion:
Roland=Honk Mufah
therefore, he's a white guy. The white guys are the honky motherfuckers, after all.
I dont think this opinion has any bearing on my opinions of real, living people of color, or on my opinions of their various cultures.
Im sure some of you disagree, but that's simply my perspective on the situation.