I have been wondering this for a bit...is there not a version of the "Turtle Poem" that is recited somewhere in the novel "It"? If so does anyone remember it?
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I have been wondering this for a bit...is there not a version of the "Turtle Poem" that is recited somewhere in the novel "It"? If so does anyone remember it?
XIX
I cannot remember it verbatim, but I do believe there is mention of Maturin as a 'turtle of enormous girth.' I might be wrong, though.
No poem in "It."
Thanks, Steve. It's been a while since I read IT.
Unless you count "The Turtle couldn't help us."
Well, that's as close as it would get--and that ain't close.
Hang on - there's a section in It like a narrative mythology which talks about the turtle at the dawn of time. Its referenced here in Wikipedia (Ill mark it as a spoiler as this information is not revealed in It until towards the end, also some DT7 stuff in it too):
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06-04-2007 09:23 PMRukithis has nothing to do with the turtle but this is the only It thread here so far :)
i had a thought about pennywise when reading the second dt comic, it's a little out of nowhere and i'm probably way off but i still like the idea.
i'm curious about whether pennywise and dandelo were the half siblings of the crimson king. i remember reading somewhere that sk says they aren't the same creature, but they're so similar that i feel like they must be related somehow. the spider aspect of both of them makes me think of the crimson queen, the crimson king, and mordred. feeding off of their victim's emotions could be a trait passed down from their father. 06-04-2007 10:12 PMZoNeSeeKIm not sure if theres any information that indicates they are familial, but the spider shape definitely links them closely. It could just be a species thing? 06-04-2007 11:31 PMRukii'm positive there's no info that says they're related, it's just a thought i had. if the crimson queen was the oldest of the great ones and for a while all they did was fuck and multiply i'm curious if that whole species started with her.
the only problem i have with this idea is that i really don't see dandelo as being a deadlights kinda dude. 06-05-2007 12:20 AMZoNeSeeKLike me!
*HEADLIGHTS*
oh, you said deadlights :( 06-05-2007 12:57 AMRukidid you just show me your tits? 06-05-2007 02:36 AMDarkthoughtsI feel like I just walked in on something...or was it a free for all? :D
*honks at Zone* 06-05-2007 11:31 AMFrunobulaxThere's the theory that the King, Dandelo, and IT are all of the same species and that Dandelo is one of the eggs that escaped death at the feet of the Loser's Club. 06-05-2007 11:43 AMChassitThanks for the input guys...when I get a chance I'll put some of my own thoughts up on this heheh
XIX 06-05-2007 04:36 PMZoNeSeeK 06-05-2007 04:56 PMRukihttp://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u...ppy/upside.gif
that makes more sense than my ramblings :)
so is It one of the great ones? that's the theory i'm leaning toward today, and i think that would make It the ck's uncle since the great ones are all siblings. 06-05-2007 05:48 PMMattI like where this is going. The idea that they could all be "kin" somehow is very appealing to me. 06-05-2007 06:20 PMFrunobulaxIT is one of the Great Ones--immortal, primal, and Prim-bound. The Crimson King is like this strange Prim-being that melded with the Line of Eld, which makes sense figuring how much ol' Arthur got around. And Dandelo takes the form of a clown during his death, w favourite of IT. He's also an empathic vampire, which would make it more than apparent that he's a son (if they have sexes) of IT. 06-05-2007 06:33 PMRukiyeah i was figuring It would have to be a great one once i started remembering more of the story. i've only gotten all the way through the book twice and the second time doesn't count because i was so distracted while listening to it.
the crimson king is the son of the crimson queen (the oldest of the great ones) and arthur eld.
and yeah, i think you're probably right about dandelo. it's the only explanation that makes sense of his nature and his knowledge of It. 06-05-2007 06:39 PMZoNeSeeKHow does Flagg fit in with this family do you reckon? 06-05-2007 06:48 PMFrunobulaxFlagg is a semi-Eternal being, so he fits in as sharing some qualities of IT. He also probably knows well of Derry and its territories. 06-05-2007 07:02 PMRukiapparently flagg started out as some regular farmboy in delain. i have no clue how he ended up being this big badass. he says people mistook him for maerlyn, i've wondered if maybe mearlyn was his mentor or something but i have no reason to think that. i've also wondered how the hell being raped led to him being all evil. i know it can turn ya mean but damn. could he maybe have been raped by maerlyn and somehow gotten his power through that? that's a totally stupid thought isn't it? :) 06-05-2007 07:53 PMFrunobulaxWell, I think his rape led to his thirst for revenge. 06-05-2007 08:11 PMRukimakes sense, i just wish i knew more of the story. he's such a damn mystery to me. every time i start to think i have something figured out i realize that theory doesn't work. like, at one point i was convinced he hopped from body to body, at the end of the stand he woke up in another him (a twinner in another world) but that doesn't explain him as marten being his own buddy walter in gilead or being able to be a big black bird. dammit i wanna understand it all!!!