Why did Andy tell the Calla folks when the wolves would come? Just to torture them?
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Why did Andy tell the Calla folks when the wolves would come? Just to torture them?
because andy, like blaine, was a pyschopath [even for a robot]. andy delighted in the pain he would bring with his "news" about the Wolves. i don't think there's any more to it than that. andy told bc he wanted to hurt the folken.
Good point, Matthew. I didn't think of that... but there is a lot in what you say.
Yeah, I am sure he wanted to see them suffering.
But it's possible he wanted to show his power as well.
i think he liked making a fake show of his power, like matthew said, to make it seem like he was useful and helping even if he knew he was not
Just to show his lovable, snuggly side I'm sure:huglove:
I agree, Andy wanted to torture the folken and show his power
Ehhh, I can't stand that walking box.
I guess I shouldn't post from my workplace.. I have no time to check what I write. :)
One thing is that Andy used his 'once-every-20-years-or-so' opportunity to give this 'vital' (ha,ha) informaion to them so that he could keep himself important to them.
That way he was always in on their plans - so if they decided to hide 20 kids in a cellar or whatever he (& therefore the Wolves) always knew exactly where to find them.
He would probably have known what they were up to anyway, but this way he was 100% sure to be in on the plans.
Also he had Slightman the elder recruited as extra insurance, and was'nt it hinted that in previous generations he always had someone on the inside in the Calla?
I felt kind of sorry for Andy... I'm sure originally he was a very neat robot but the ravages of time, reprogramming and anti-ka took their tolls on him.
Before you Liz I didn't know it's possible to be "too warm-hearted" but I think you made me realise it's possible.
Feel sorry for Andy? Incredible.
i feel as sympathetic for andy as i did for blaine, which is none. andy was a tool and a tool that rebels against it's master and delights in the torture of children is one that deserves to be removed from the toolbox. we don't know that this wasn't the purpose andy was built for and the rest just a cover. i doubt he was ever anything but the dickhead robot we met.
I think Andy was being used...
I think he was reprogrammed just as the Terminators were repogrammed to help John Conner rather than kill him, but I think it was the opposite way with Andy. Originally he was a mildly annoying horoscope-bot who was reprogrammed with fiendish purposes in mind... And yes, I did feel sorry for The Terminator at the end of Terminator 2 because I felt he had surpassed his programming and became more human, just as I empathized with Data from Star trek.
If Andy were human, I would say he was brainwashed...
That's my theory so far at least..
But he could very well just originally have been programmed for nefarious plots and just had the interesting little songs and ditties installed to cover up his evil plans...
I'm not SK I do not know the answer.
of course he was being used, that's what tools are for. you're right, we don't know what andy was built for, so i choose to judge him solely on the actions he took during the time we saw him. i can't feel bad for him. i barely feel sympathy for slightman, certainly not for andy. you're a more sympathetic person than i, that much is for sure.
My only super power is empathy... *le sigh*
What R of G said.
Andy felt that he had been pushed around far to much from the Calla folks, so he would give them the bad news, then bask in their sorrow.
I agree with those who say he was programmed rather than operating on his own sadistic inclinations; and the answer to the question why might also answer the question why the children were brought back.
I think it's because no inhuman ruling wants to pose as such. Be it fascism or communism, or any other dragon demanding human sacrifices, the ideology never says, "we're tyrants, we'll rape and rob you daily because such is our desire." Everything is done for some good aim, and it is always emphasised that no excessive cruelty is ever imposed. Children are brought back, after all. We don't want anything that doesn't belong to us. We have used the kids for the sake of the Greater Good you're all unable to understand, and now here they are, you can have them, we're no robbers.
The warning gag is even more perverted... it's to make everyone feel that nothing happens by anyone's whim, but in accordance with elaborate procedure; and procedure is enough to create appearance of something useful being done. Remember how meticulously the nazi kept their accounts of all shoes, hair, golden teeth? How much paperwork communist regimes produced? It's the same. Bureaucracy is the shield between the horrible shameless reality of a power and the victims of that power.
you ever gone over to a friends house to pick him/her up for a sleepover, when you arrive they say you were unannounced and they aren't ready?
same prinicipal, although i dont see the use, he was proly just programmed to deliver the message anyway.
I think it was because he was questioned. There was nothing in his programming against giving the information so when he was asked...he said what he knew.
What I wonder is did he warn them the first time the Wolves came. If he didn't then after that it was just all response to the question "are the Wolves coming?"
Citizens of Paris... on June 13, Wehrmacht forces are entering your city. Please keep quiet and do not leave your apartments without utter necessity.
Awesome insight's as usual my friends....
and Jean's spot on again too!
This is one time I wholeheartedly
agree, it is programming!
thank you Lady Linda http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k2...n/bear_wub.gif,
I think I should expand on one point; I probably didn't make myself very clear, because it is not all about "looking better", as some (in another thread) seem to have understood me. By issuing warnings and meticulously returning the children, the regime creates a perfect routine procedure, which is a horrible force. In case of unexpected attack one may react unexpectedly, spontaneously, instinctively, - which would be to protect, to rebel, to revolt; but procedure paralyzes the will. It makes what happens something quite different from an act of someone's ill will directed against you or yours: it makes is part of established order of things, of how everything is in the universe, of a big implacable mechanism, - against which it's no use revolting. Evil can be evaluated in terms of "good" and "bad", but procedure lies beyond those categories.
Few regimes in history understood the force of procedure as fully as that of the Third Reich (but most tyrannies or their instrumental organisations did, to various extents). Those files of people lead to concentration camps consisted of thousands of prisoners guarded by only a few SS with a couple of dogs. People quietly marched into camps, towards their death, into ovens.
Wolves are coming on June 13, please keep quiet and get your children ready.
Haha!! They'll never find me!!!
Awwwwwww... nobody agrees with me....
i really got the feeling that andy hated the folken - as much as a robot can hate. he seemed to have that, i don't know, sinister feeling to him. i didn't like him from the very first time he showed up. and then when it turned out he was a traitor i thought well that explains that. i really thought it was just him though, so when it turned out that slightman the elder was in on it i was really very sad.
as for why he was doing it. programming? maybe. but like i said, i really just think he didn't like those folken. i think he felt like they thought they were better than him. i don't know why i got that feeling - just in every interaction it was like there was something bubbling under his surface.
sorry my dear my dear foxy llama - bet you feel like i feel with greta. :lol:
The more I read about that walking can the more I can't stand him.
Hey, maybe there's a reason Andy ended up not liking them...
I mean treating him like he was useless all those years, not appreciating him, and then his bad programming or deteroriating programming on top of it...
Maybe he was going insane like Blaine...
There is no reason for letting little children die.
No reason for a sane person or robot...
If I felt he was working properly I would have no sympathy for him. Also, I would detest his makers.
Who were his makers?
I don't feel Andy was insane. He did what he was programmed to do still I can't stand him. I don't think he had any other choice (he has neither own personality nor soul nor mind) but the way he acts makes me so damn angry with him. :)
:lol:
I agree to an extent. I do think that Andy had some choice in the how of what he did, though, and I think he intentionally chose the how that would hurt the townfolks the most. And that's the area where I believe their treatment of him had an effect.
Doctor Noonien Soong worked for NCP? Woah.
i think it had nothing to do with programming or hate and was all about getting the most of whatever it was the wolves took from the twins. think about it, it was some chemical/hormonal quality that they needed. if andy, or a predecessor, gave the calla enough warning-everyone goes in to full "fight or flight" mode, adrenaline and about a thousand other things start pumping through the brain and body....think of it as a psychological marinade.
Hrm, sounds like you do think it was programming, then. If that's what was needed from the twins (and I think that's an awesome theory, btw), then he would need to be programmed to ensure that's how it went. Even so, I feel like he derived pleasure from it. I think that, like Blaine, Andy was capable of rudimentary feelings.