I saw $4200 on FB... not sure if that's fact or not.Quote:
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I saw $4200 on FB... not sure if that's fact or not.Quote:
Originally Posted by wizardsrainbow
...because King doesn't like when small presses repeatedly churn out editions of his books...Quote:
Originally Posted by Ari_Racing
Here's what King thought of Salem's Lot at first:
https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon....1vxdSEKISL.jpg
That sentiment later morphed into:
Source: http://www.liljas-library.com/showinterview.php?id=36Quote:
This guy Jared Walters did Salem’s Lot in a limited. He basically fucking wore me down because he would come back every six months or so and say, “Please, please, please, please” and I’m very vulnerable to that if people, I mean, if he’d come to me and said that he wanted to do a Dollar Baby I would say, “Yes” immediately but this guy wants to do this big huge book with this, I don’t know, incredible binding done in some endangered species or something and finally the books come out and people like Frank Darabont and other collectors just loved that book and he wants to do The Shining next and so far I’ve just told him, “No”. Because it’d be another book like Salem’s Lot. It’ll weigh twenty pounds, and people will put it on their shelf and look at it and they won’t actually read it.
Was Jerad too aggressive about things? Jerad tells his side of the story here: http://www.thedarktower.org/palaver/...l=1#post446700
It looks as if Jerad never had direct contact with King (although I'm not certain there was never any contact).
There are innocent ways King could come to the conclusion that Jerad was too pushy:
- Maybe there was a misunderstanding between Jerad and Greene.
- Maybe Greene mischaracterized his contacts with Jerad, and King was rubbed the wrong way by what he thought was going on.
- Maybe King misunderstood something Greene told him.
None of us were there for the conversations, but we do know what King said at different times, and given the large number of special editions King approved post-CP Salem's Lot, many of which were far more expensive, his comments about collector-oriented books to masturbate over ring hollow for me.
I post this info not to bash King (who would survive any fan bashing anyway), but in the interest of at least adding Jerad's full statement, given that it's his reputation and name that are actually at stake (not that he hasn't since built a reputation of creating fine and distinctive editions, but the possibility of being known as the guy "too needy for Stephen King" has to sting).
I have always found SK's comments on this subject to be disrespectful and unprofessional. If, in the end, Jared was as aggressive as implied SK might have recognized some of himself in the way Jared was pushing and scraping to get his business underway similar to his own journey to get published. The fact that the CP 'Salem's Lot was such a well done edition should have earned Jared a shot at The Shining. History has shown that SK doesn't have a problem with allowing other publishers to do multiple limited editions of his books, let alone recycling titles that already have been published as limiteds, so why deny Jared? No knock against the Sub Press and Cemetery Dance limiteds of The Shining but who wouldn't have preferred the CP version that Jared proposed back in 2005? Had it happened I don't think Jared would have gone to the well a third time unless invited by SK himself and we would have bar setting limited editions of two of SK's signature works.Quote:
Originally Posted by St. Troy...because King doesn't like when small presses repeatedly churn out editions of his books...Quote:
Originally Posted by Ari_Racing
Here's what King thought of Salem's Lot at first:
https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon....1vxdSEKISL.jpg
That sentiment later morphed into:
Source: http://www.liljas-library.com/showinterview.php?id=36Quote:
This guy Jared Walters did Salem’s Lot in a limited. He basically fucking wore me down because he would come back every six months or so and say, “Please, please, please, please” and I’m very vulnerable to that if people, I mean, if he’d come to me and said that he wanted to do a Dollar Baby I would say, “Yes” immediately but this guy wants to do this big huge book with this, I don’t know, incredible binding done in some endangered species or something and finally the books come out and people like Frank Darabont and other collectors just loved that book and he wants to do The Shining next and so far I’ve just told him, “No”. Because it’d be another book like Salem’s Lot. It’ll weigh twenty pounds, and people will put it on their shelf and look at it and they won’t actually read it.
Was Jerad too aggressive about things? Jerad tells his side of the story here: http://www.thedarktower.org/palaver/...l=1#post446700
It looks as if Jerad never had direct contact with King (although I'm not certain there was never any contact).
There are innocent ways King could come to the conclusion that Jerad was too pushy:
- Maybe there was a misunderstanding between Jerad and Greene.
- Maybe Greene mischaracterized his contacts with Jerad, and King was rubbed the wrong way by what he thought was going on.
- Maybe King misunderstood something Greene told him.
None of us were there for the conversations, but we do know what King said at different times, and given the large number of special editions King approved post-CP Salem's Lot, many of which were far more expensive, his comments about collector-oriented books to masturbate over ring hollow for me.
I post this info not to bash King (who would survive any fan bashing anyway), but in the interest of at least adding Jerad's full statement, given that it's his reputation and name that are actually at stake (not that he hasn't since built a reputation of creating fine and distinctive editions, but the possibility of being known as the guy "too needy for Stephen King" has to sting).
Interesting point.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ben Mears
It was a little too well done, apparently...Quote:
Originally Posted by Ben Mears
To say the least.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ben Mears
I think there's no doubt we all would have appreciated the hell out of that, had it been made.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ben Mears
I think King is not in favor of limited editions but at the same time he understands how his name on one allows a publisher to pay for a whole year of books by other authors.
Yet he's published them himself. An enigma within an enigma :orely:Quote:
Originally Posted by Ari_Racing
If that's anywhere close to where it is, I guess I won't be getting one on the used market. That's one more for everyone else to have a chance at.Quote:
Originally Posted by becca69I saw $4200 on FB... not sure if that's fact or not.Quote:
Originally Posted by wizardsrainbow
That was very cool. Quite a process!Quote:
Originally Posted by zelig
I also think King changed his mind about limited edition as he grew older.Quote:
Originally Posted by becca69Yet he's published them himself. An enigma within an enigma :orely:Quote:
Originally Posted by Ari_Racing
I think somebody mentioned it previously, but it also could be possible that he was just feeling cranky the day he gave the interview, for whatever reason, and it all snowballed from there. I don't think he ever mentioned Jerad again, right?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ari_RacingI also think King changed his mind about limited edition as he grew older.Quote:
Originally Posted by becca69Yet he's published them himself. An enigma within an enigma :orely:Quote:
Originally Posted by Ari_Racing
When one of us has a cranky day, it passes quickly or maybe leaves a brief impression on a message board, but when King has a cranky day, his words are read and scrutinized a literal decade after he said them.
I agree that he was rude in the interview, and I feel for Jerad. And as so many pointed out, he (King) has since done many, many projects that commanded a higher price and produced a lower quality product...
I guess the point is that King's words carry a lot of weight, whether he means them to or not.
Also, he has helped more than one small press get off the ground, and for that alone, I'm grateful! Jerad has been in business for almost 20 years now, and has made many of my favorite editions. And I can't imagine what Paul will do next, after the massive success of Misery. His options are so much wider thanks to King's involvement, which is surely to the great benefit of book collectors!
Excellent points. I don't believe King (Philtrum) has published and sold a book for almost 25 years; although interestingly enough TEOTD S/L was sold by lottery...
Cranky at the time of the interview is a distinct possibility. King is a notoriously "moody" person. He's pulled at everywhere he goes, and might seem rude one day to an autograph seeker, and the next day sign 5 books for the same person.
There's that lottery word again Mr.:crow burp:Quote:
Originally Posted by Randall Flagg
Apparently it wasn’t just one interview:
http://www.thedarktower.org/palaver/...l=1#post443763
I haven’t hunted down the interview in question, but would be interested in hearing it.
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Originally Posted by Ari_RacingI also think King changed his mind about limited edition as he grew older.Quote:
Originally Posted by becca69Yet he's published them himself. An enigma within an enigma :orely:Quote:
Originally Posted by Ari_Racing
I personnally think that it's not necessarily that he changed his mind about the limited edition, but as you said, that he realised that he can help small publishing houses by getting them enough money to boost them for an extra year or even more
I think King's relationship with small press publishing is a complicated one. After all, he had been playing in Grant's house with the Dark Tower series since early in his career. Those books all came out as Grant editions first, even after they were released as Plume trade paperbacks. So I don't get his disdain with CP.Quote:
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Originally Posted by Ari_RacingI also think King changed his mind about limited edition as he grew older.Quote:
Originally Posted by becca69Yet he's published them himself. An enigma within an enigma :orely:Quote:
Originally Posted by Ari_Racing
I personnally think that it's not necessarily that he changed his mind about the limited edition, but as you said, that he realised that he can help small publishing houses by getting them enough money to boost them for an extra year or even more
It's interesting that King has seemingly had a relaxed attitude to movie and TV adaptations of his works. Many of which have been not very good. But he seems to be a bit touchy when it comes to book collecting and publishing. The list of rules for his recent book signings was absurd. Some of which appeared to be directed at deterring reselling of signed copies. Why he cares is a bit mystifying. And of course it doesn't work since copies appear instantly on ebay.
That's interesting and maybe it shines some light on King's mindset. Because movies are interpretations of his work, then maybe he feels more "hands-off," with lowered expectations and standards. But his books are his babies and no one messes with his babies.Quote:
Originally Posted by RichardX
I suspect his comment about people buying 20lb books and putting them on a shelf and never reading them is a clue as to his mindset regarding limited edition books. I don't think that is an issue with movies/tv adaptations of his books. To the best of my knowledge people don't plop down 100's or 1000's of dollars on nice signed limited edition blu-rays of movies/tv shows based on his books.
I think its just the mindset of "books are for reading, not putting on you bookshelf and never touching"!
Just speculation/"reading between the lines" on my part.
He has misgivings about limited editions but agrees to them to oblige his fans and to help out small presses is how I've always looked at it.
With respect to Grant, those editions included an inexpensive trade edition, and the signed edition was really just a regular book. Very nicely made, don't get me wrong, but also practical and affordable at the time. I think Kings frustration with the CP edition was that it was unweildly and impractical to read, and very expensive.
He's clearly changed his mind about that - or at least decided that helping a small press out is more important than worrying about whether collectors will read the final product.
I respectfully disagree. Like most limited editions the CP 'Salem's Lot was available in 3 versions: signed deluxe ($900; print run 25 with 15 for sale), signed limited ($470; print run 380 with 300 for sale) and gift ($110; print run 600 with 600 for sale) which would be $1200, $620 and $147 respectively in 2018 dollars. Compare that to recent Suntup Press, Cemetery Dance, Sub Press or PS Publishing prices, which all had higher print runs, for perspective. As for being unwieldy to read, the design was based on, and inspired by, the SK produced limited edition of The Eyes Of The Dragon.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hunchback Jack
This is a very interesting discussion but maybe we should move it out of this thread.
Good points! I didn't remember the Gift edition being that inexpensive. I stand corrected.
HBJ
I don't know how much of the behind-the-scenes fun you'd like to see, but if you feel you'd rather just wait for the finished products, let me know and I'll keep the posting to a minimum. But here's something I wanted to share. This is the covering material I received today for the Misery numbered edition, which will cover the book, and the walls of the box. It's a beautiful red Japanese cloth that looks and feels like a million bucks.
https://suntup.press/wp-content/uplo...3/IMG_0836.jpg
https://suntup.press/wp-content/uplo...3/IMG_1873.jpg
Please, keep the posting to a maximum.Quote:
Originally Posted by zelig
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Originally Posted by St. TroyPlease, keep the posting to a maximum.Quote:
Originally Posted by zelig
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