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fernandito
11-06-2009, 05:48 PM
George Bailey (It's A Wonderful Life)
http://i330.photobucket.com/albums/l416/feverishparade/georgebailey.jpg

Indiana Jones (Indiana Jones)
http://i330.photobucket.com/albums/l416/feverishparade/indianajones.jpg

fernandito
11-06-2009, 05:51 PM
Bailey :)

BROWNINGS CHILDE
11-06-2009, 05:54 PM
Indiana Jones was one of my nominations, (at least I think) good to see he has made it this far.

Sam
11-06-2009, 06:15 PM
Tough choice. Bailey is one of the most well known characters of one of the best actors in filmdom, and yet Ford's Indiana Jones actually shaped my life to a big degree. Both excellent actors, both excellent characters. Very tough choice.

John Blaze
11-06-2009, 07:14 PM
bailey, because Stewart is still the man.

jayson
11-06-2009, 08:31 PM
that this one is even a question is amusing

Merlin1958
11-06-2009, 08:59 PM
Bailey was great but, Indy had 4 movies. Hell, we even named our dog Indiana Jones (May he rest in peace)

:nana::nana::nana:

BROWNINGS CHILDE
11-06-2009, 09:33 PM
Come to think of it, we had a dog named ND as well. Though it was a miniature schnauzer and the name was supposed to indicate ND (non-dog), as opposed to Indy.

But when I named the dog. The line from the movie never even occured to me.

Jean
11-07-2009, 12:39 AM
bailey, because Stewart is still the man.


that this one is even a question is amusing

Precisely.

Heather19
11-07-2009, 05:26 AM
George :wub:
And I'm honestly quite shocked that the votes are this close! I really hope he makes it onto the next round.

Melike
11-07-2009, 05:41 AM
Even if I hadn't watched It's A Wonderful Life, I would still vote for Bailey. I never liked Indiana Jones.

Brice
11-07-2009, 05:47 AM
Oh, but now that you have seen it you know George beats just about every movie character. :D

Melike
11-07-2009, 06:18 AM
Oh, but now that you have seen it you know George beats just about every movie character. :D

Yeah. :D And thanks to you about that. :huglove:

Brice
11-07-2009, 07:37 AM
:D

Thank Mr. Capra.

Jean
11-07-2009, 01:23 PM
we need more votes for George

to be on the safe side

::alarmed bear::

gsvec
11-07-2009, 02:02 PM
Hello Bedford Falls!!

Heather19
11-07-2009, 09:39 PM
we need more votes for George

to be on the safe side

::alarmed bear::

Yes, I agree :couple:

Brice
11-08-2009, 04:57 AM
me too

Odetta
11-08-2009, 07:23 AM
excuse me fellas, I think I got a date!
(but stick around, just in case)

Lily-sai
11-08-2009, 01:44 PM
Indiana Jones was one of my nominations, (at least I think) good to see he has made it this far.

I think I nominated Indy. But anyway, I agree - glad he made it here!
This is so hard. :cry:

Heather19
11-09-2009, 12:26 PM
:onfire: This is so close!

sarajean
11-09-2009, 12:32 PM
i'm so tempted to waste my vote just to make it a tie and piss everyone off. :P

however, since neither the dude nor ash are in the running any longer, i'm refraining from voting in the rest of the polls.

:fairy:

IWasSentWest
11-09-2009, 12:48 PM
vote indy sj! just imagine it's ash...they look kinda sorta alike. ok not even close, but imagine

fernandito
11-09-2009, 01:03 PM
:rofl:

sarajean
11-09-2009, 01:15 PM
:innocent:

IWasSentWest
11-09-2009, 01:32 PM
awesome!

Heather19
11-09-2009, 02:22 PM
:o

DoctorDodge
11-09-2009, 04:23 PM
Voted for Bailey, myself. I haven't watched It's a Wonderful Life much (they don't seem to repeat it at all in the UK for some reason, even around xmas, before anyone asks! :D) but the shit that character goes through, no wonder he came close to topping himself!

And top marks to James Stewart for making the character both funny and tragic in just the right places. Not many actors who can do that these days as well as he could!

Still Servant
11-09-2009, 04:43 PM
I tied it up at 14. Indy all the way.

You can go to small village in Africa and they can tell you who Indian Jones is.

Jean
11-09-2009, 11:35 PM
guys, it looks very alarming now

anyone else who loves real movies and their characters? please?

IWasSentWest
11-10-2009, 01:26 AM
this one is tight! back and forth! gotta love the excitement...

Jean
11-10-2009, 01:47 AM
...the excitement and the horse it rode in on...

BROWNINGS CHILDE
11-10-2009, 01:49 AM
...the excitement and the horse it rode in on...

Now Now Jean.....:rofl:

Heather19
11-10-2009, 08:33 AM
:lol: I know, every time I come into this thread it's a tie, but the numbers keep going up.

Jean, lets just keep our fingers crossed :couple:

BROWNINGS CHILDE
11-10-2009, 08:14 PM
Indiana Jones was one of my nominations, (at least I think) good to see he has made it this far.

I think I nominated Indy. But anyway, I agree - glad he made it here!
This is so hard. :cry:

I think I remember now. I nominated Han Solo. But I was thinking Indy too.

Jean
11-10-2009, 11:27 PM
George is losing again!!!

::bangs head against wall::

BROWNINGS CHILDE
11-10-2009, 11:53 PM
*watches bear throw temper tantrum*


from a distance

cozener
11-11-2009, 06:42 AM
...the excitement and the horse it rode in on...

http://i273.photobucket.com/albums/jj227/cozeningbastard/2961175776_b341ca0fc5.jpg

Odetta
11-11-2009, 06:56 AM
ugh... not happy...

you people who are voting for Indy better have at least SEEN It's a Wonderful Life! :angry:

cozener
11-11-2009, 07:00 AM
I've seen it but as cute as the little girl was talking about the angel getting wings it was was no where near as cool as when Indy shot the swordsman. :P

cozener
11-11-2009, 07:15 AM
http://i273.photobucket.com/albums/jj227/cozeningbastard/Untitled.jpg

Odetta
11-11-2009, 07:49 AM
I've seen it but as cute as the little girl was talking about the angel getting wings it was was no where near as cool as when Indy shot the swordsman. :P

but it's not about the little girl... it's about George.

and don't get me wrong... I love Indiana Jones.

cozener
11-11-2009, 08:03 AM
See! I can't even remember something cool that George did!

Jean
11-11-2009, 08:17 AM
See! I can't even remember something cool that George did!
Otter, if you're not joking this time, please watch It's a Wonderful Life once again. Really... I don't know why you rememberd the only corny moment (which isn't, in fact, as corny as that in the context of the movie) and neglect thousand great ones.

cozener
11-11-2009, 08:48 AM
Of course, I'm joking. George is a great guy that always puts others ahead of himself and I do like the movie. I just like Indy more. :dance:

Jean
11-11-2009, 08:59 AM
::sigh of relief::

(I wish you liked him more than IJ, though...)

John Blaze
11-11-2009, 03:31 PM
...the excitement and the horse it rode in on...

http://i273.photobucket.com/albums/jj227/cozeningbastard/2961175776_b341ca0fc5.jpg:lol:


http://i273.photobucket.com/albums/jj227/cozeningbastard/Untitled.jpg:lol: again


::sigh of relief::

(I wish you liked him more than IJ, though...)
Yeah, I can't believe any Stewart character is losing!

IWasSentWest
11-11-2009, 08:58 PM
i liked him in mr. smith goes to washington....

Jean
11-12-2009, 12:17 AM
Yeah, I can't believe any Stewart character is losing!

Precisely.


i liked him in mr. smith goes to washington....

Why, of course. I didn't nominate Smith because I thought he had no chance, while George did. Well, looks like I was wrong.

John Blaze
11-12-2009, 12:29 AM
i loved him In Winchester '73. It's in black and white, and besides Tombstone and Josey Wales, it's in my top 5 westerns.

IWasSentWest
11-12-2009, 12:36 PM
i honestly think the whole black and white movie thing is getting in the way of a lot of the voters on the site. every time we have a Best...Of All Time poll, the black and whites never last

Odetta
11-12-2009, 02:11 PM
that could be... I thought that as well

John Blaze
11-12-2009, 02:20 PM
meh, this poll sucked bolas.

Brice
11-12-2009, 04:34 PM
George is losing again!!!

::bangs head against wall::


*watches bear throw temper tantrum*


from a distance

I just noticed the bear didn't specify whose head he was banging against the wall. :unsure:

Heather19
11-12-2009, 08:41 PM
i honestly think the whole black and white movie thing is getting in the way of a lot of the voters on the site. every time we have a Best...Of All Time poll, the black and whites never last

So true. Same thing happened with the best movie polls. All the older films got knocked out right away.

And on a rather unrelated note, I just went to the theater the other day and I saw that they're going to be playing It's a Wonderful Life on the big screen around christmas time. :excited:

Brice
11-12-2009, 08:46 PM
<----very jealous

Heather19
11-12-2009, 08:52 PM
I know, I can't even tell you how excited I am. I already marked it on my calendar so that I don't forget :lol:

Brice
11-12-2009, 08:53 PM
come pick me up please.

Heather19
11-12-2009, 09:00 PM
I'm on my way :couple:

Brice
11-12-2009, 09:01 PM
*waiting* :couple:

Jean
11-13-2009, 12:26 AM
George is losing again!!!

::bangs head against wall::


*watches bear throw temper tantrum*


from a distance

I just noticed the bear didn't specify whose head he was banging against the wall. :unsure:

http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k291/mishemplushem/Facilitation/bear_sara04.gif

Brice
11-13-2009, 05:48 AM
:D

Woofer
11-13-2009, 06:18 AM
i honestly think the whole black and white movie thing is getting in the way of a lot of the voters on the site. every time we have a Best...Of All Time poll, the black and whites never last

So true. Same thing happened with the best movie polls. All the older films got knocked out right away.

And on a rather unrelated note, I just went to the theater the other day and I saw that they're going to be playing It's a Wonderful Life on the big screen around christmas time. :excited:

It's not a B&W thing, it's an old thing. Even older color movies got knocked out - The Lion in Winter?! For fuck's sake that's one of the greatest movies ever! Every character is fully flushed out and awesome, the entire movie is quotable but not in that artificial way so many modern movies do, the costumes and sets are spot on, the cinematography is unbeatable, and the complexity of the relationships between the characters is fantastic. I don't think there is a single bad second of film in that movie. The movie didn't make it, nor did any of the characters.

My god, it has Katharine Hepburn addressing some of her jewelry in the mirror "I'd hang you from the nipples, but it might shock the children."

Nigel Terry as John: Poor John. Nobody says poor John. My god, if I were to go up in flames, there's not a living soul that would pee on me to put me out.

Peter O'Toole as Henry II: I found out the way your mind works and the kind of man you are. I know your plans and expectations - you've burbled every bit of strategy you've got. I know exactly what you will do, and exactly what you won't, and I've told you exactly nothing. To these aged eyes, boy, that's what winning looks like!

And my favorite line of all, uttered by John Castle as Geoffrey, "I know. You know I know. I know you know I know. We know Henry knows, and Henry knows we know it." *pause* "We're a knowledgeable family."

Anthony Hopkins as Richard: Let's strike a flint and see.

*sigh*

IWasSentWest
11-13-2009, 06:43 AM
breathe woofer....breathe

cozener
11-13-2009, 07:20 AM
Maybe this is just me but I don't think the acting was as good before the early 60s as it was after. This isn't true of all old movies. There are some gems. It just seems to me that the way characters acted and spoke wasn't as "natural" as it was later on. Of course, this could be a cultural thing. I wasn't around back then. It could be that people did actually behave differently then. Perhaps they were a bit more guarded about showing emotions or being too relaxed around others. Either way, it often does not translate well for me. I can enjoy these movies but there are very few I'd go out of my way to see.

(sorry Bear)

Heather19
11-13-2009, 07:30 AM
You know, you're not the first person that I've heard say that, but I honestly just don't see it. I think some of our greatest actors have come from that time. James Dean, James Stewart, Joan Fontaine, Gene Kelly, Bette Davis. I could just go on and on, but those are some of my favs.

alinda
11-13-2009, 07:39 AM
I am not at all happy that this poll is over , I certainly would have casted my vote for
George Baily, what a great movie, and one of the most touching portrayals ever.
This classic is a regular in our family , and is viewed over and over during the holiday season. How was this film beaten out by an Indy film ?:doh:

pathoftheturtle
11-13-2009, 11:12 AM
And, btw, on this note, why didn't we get Shakespeare films? Talk about all-time great characters!

Jean
11-13-2009, 11:15 AM
I am not at all happy that this poll is over , I certainly would have casted my vote for George Bailey

Why didn't you?!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Maybe this is just me but I don't think the acting was as good before the early 60s as it was after.
I think the exact opposite...


And, btw, on this note, why didn't we get Shakespeare films? Talk about all-time great characters!
I really don't think they have ever been rendered in a satisfying way... The only Shakespeare movie I personally love is Kurosawa's Ran...

pathoftheturtle
11-13-2009, 11:37 AM
... this could be a cultural thing. ...:ninja: Y'think? :lol:
...I really don't think they have ever been rendered in a satisfying way... The only Shakespeare movie I personally love is Kurosawa's Ran...Certainly is some truth to that, my friend, yet I repeat: Talk about all-time great characters!

Jean
11-13-2009, 11:39 AM
...I really don't think they have ever been rendered in a satisfying way... The only Shakespeare movie I personally love is Kurosawa's Ran...Certainly is some truth to that, my friend, yet I repeat: Talk about all-time great characters!
didn't you overlook the "M" in the abbreviation BMCoAT? It stands for "movie"... http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k291/mishemplushem/Facilitation/bear_wink-1.gif

pathoftheturtle
11-13-2009, 11:46 AM
Didn't we include many nominations which began in other media? Certainly I would have considered some historic interpretations of his greatest to be worthy of running here.

fernandito
11-13-2009, 12:53 PM
Maybe this is just me but I don't think the acting was as good before the early 60s as it was after. This isn't true of all old movies. There are some gems. It just seems to me that the way characters acted and spoke wasn't as "natural" as it was later on.

Agreed.

Woofer
11-13-2009, 04:27 PM
Maybe this is just me but I don't think the acting was as good before the early 60s as it was after. This isn't true of all old movies. There are some gems. It just seems to me that the way characters acted and spoke wasn't as "natural" as it was later on.

Agreed.

I both agree and disagree with that. The change came about the same way that literature has changed through time and adapted to the audience's expectations. I'm pretty sure people didn't run around the Renaissance speaking in rhymes - "Are there any rocks ahead?" / "If there are, we'll all be dead." aside.

But I'm with Heather in that I think some of our greatest actors have come from the early (relatively) days of film. I think that we perceive a lot of actors now as better than they truly are because of the films they are in - technology and a big budget go a long way toward painting a pretty gloss over weak films and actors. By no means, however, am I saying we don't have good actors today. I think we have about the same percentage of good and bad actors as we have always had, but there are many more films being made now than were 50 years ago (for example). Thus, it appears that we have more better actors. One could just as easily look at the number of Reb Browns, Rowdy Roddy Pipers, and Joe Estevezes and say "Damn, there sure are a lot more bad actors than there used to be."

cozener
11-14-2009, 08:41 AM
Maybe this is just me but I don't think the acting was as good before the early 60s as it was after. This isn't true of all old movies. There are some gems. It just seems to me that the way characters acted and spoke wasn't as "natural" as it was later on.

Agreed.

I both agree and disagree with that. The change came about the same way that literature has changed through time and adapted to the audience's expectations. I'm pretty sure people didn't run around the Renaissance speaking in rhymes - "Are there any rocks ahead?" / "If there are, we'll all be dead." aside.

But I'm with Heather in that I think some of our greatest actors have come from the early (relatively) days of film. I think that we perceive a lot of actors now as better than they truly are because of the films they are in - technology and a big budget go a long way toward painting a pretty gloss over weak films and actors. By no means, however, am I saying we don't have good actors today. I think we have about the same percentage of good and bad actors as we have always had, but there are many more films being made now than were 50 years ago (for example). Thus, it appears that we have more better actors. One could just as easily look at the number of Reb Browns, Rowdy Roddy Pipers, and Joe Estevezes and say "Damn, there sure are a lot more bad actors than there used to be."When I said what I said I wasn't thinking about Star Wars verses The Best Years of Our Lives (a very strong exception to my little rule). I was thinking more along the lines of Brokeback Mountain vs Public Enemy. I just don't feel that the acting was, for the most part, as natural back then. My theory is that these movies from the 30s and 40s are from a time when acting in movies with sound was a relatively new art form and the standards were different. In silent films people had to overact to show emotions. I think this carried over into "talkies" and it took actors and directors a while to realize that this was no longer necessary. Don't get me wrong. A lot of these folks' acting talents grew along with the industry and are certainly worthy of being thought of as great. But, when it gets down to it, I don't believe that they're any better than our current greats. In fact, for the most part, I don't see them being on quite the same level. They've just been around much longer and have the power of nostalgia on their side. James Cagney might have made a good Joker. But could he have topped Ledger? I seriously doubt it.

But there's more. There's also the gestures, accents, and sensibilities that you pick up in old movies that, in a very real way, make them less accessible to me. Meh...its kinda hard for me to describe or "put a finger" on what I'm saying.

fernandito
11-14-2009, 03:20 PM
No need to, I get what you're saying Coz :cool:

Brice
11-14-2009, 04:38 PM
I'd say proportionally there were an equal amount of great actors. The reality is though that there is and was an overabundance of mediocre and just plain bad actors.

John Blaze
11-14-2009, 05:31 PM
No need to, I get what you're saying Coz :cool:
me three.

Jean
11-14-2009, 11:47 PM
There's big difference in the approach towards acting between different eras in movies. Now it's good taste when everything is as "life-like" as possible, but it didn't used to be that way. I like the movies where acting was acting, not life-imitation.

Woofer
11-15-2009, 12:03 AM
I understand, Coz, and to an extent can agree. Acting and film-making has evolved dramatically, but not always for the best (which is why MST3K could've gone on forever if the SyFy channel didn't blow frogs). For me, the bottom line is whether or not it can make me forget that I'm watching a movie or an actor playing a role - regardless of whether or not the acting is stilted.

Am I making sense?

pathoftheturtle
11-15-2009, 01:08 PM
My theatre courses included "Styles of Acting" and "Styles of Directing." Basically, I like being able to operate from and appreciate a broad variety of differing perspectives.

jayson
11-15-2009, 03:03 PM
I understand, Coz, and to an extent can agree. Acting and film-making has evolved dramatically, but not always for the best (which is why MST3K could've gone on forever if the SyFy channel didn't blow frogs). For me, the bottom line is whether or not it can make me forget that I'm watching a movie or an actor playing a role - regardless of whether or not the acting is stilted.

Am I making sense?


There's big difference in the approach towards acting between different eras in movies. Now it's good taste when everything is as "life-like" as possible, but it didn't used to be that way. I like the movies where acting was acting, not life-imitation.

surprise, look who i am in agreement with here. :grouphug:

i think there's a lot to be said of great actors of all eras. it's difficult to say how a james stewart or cary grant or joel mcrea (yes, i had to get him in) would do today, as it is difficult to say how any of today's great actors would have done in another era.

it's one of the reasons i usually object to "best of all time" in discussions of things like sports. the games change so much from generation to generation. it's all completely subjective, which is fine, but it's also entirely speculative as we lack the ability to bring james stewart back to life and put him in a current film.

Brice
11-15-2009, 04:52 PM
but it's also entirely speculative as we lack the ability to bring james stewart back to life and put him in a current film.


....or do we? :evil:

Zombie Jimmy Stewart!

Jean
11-15-2009, 11:44 PM
surprise, look who i am in agreement with here. :grouphug:

http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k291/mishemplushem/Facilitation/bearmood_cheerful.gif

Woofer
11-17-2009, 06:02 AM
surprise, look who i am in agreement with here. :grouphug:

http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k291/mishemplushem/Facilitation/bearmood_cheerful.gif

http://i375.photobucket.com/albums/oo194/TheCuteWoofer/Wolves/groupwolfhug-1.jpg