BMCOAT - Octa Finals, Bracket 4b

[fernandito]

Indiana Jones (Indiana Jones)
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Hannibal Lecter (The Silence of the Lambs)
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[Odetta]

We named the dog INDIANA

[Sam]

I started WEARING a fedora because of Indiana Jones for heaven's sake. Gotta go with him.

Besides, we all know it's not the years... it's the mileage.

[Jean]

bears would always vote a good guy over a bad guy

[Jon]

Hannibal Lecter is just too cool for school.

[Lily-sai]

"Snakes. Why did it have to be snakes?"

[Myste]

"Well, Clarice - have the lambs stopped screaming?"

[Melike]

Definitely Lecter.

[IWasSentWest]

indiana. he got his own state for godsakes...:dance:

[fernandito]

You use Evian skin cream, and sometimes you wear L'Air du Temps, but not today.

[Jean]

It wasn't my hands. It was my misunderstanding.

[cozener]

Tough...but I went with Indie.

[pathoftheturtle]

We named the dog INDIANAI believe that that should be "We named THE DOG Indiana."


bears would always vote a good guy over a bad guyWhat an absurb bias.

This is indeed very tough. I'll have to sleep on it. :orely:

[Jean]

What an absurb bias.
Yes, it is, so what? I do not like bad guys. Neither in life nor in movies nor in books. None of my favorite characters, ever, has been a villain. I just can't love them, and to call someone my favorite character, I have to love.

[IWasSentWest]

We named the dog INDIANAI believe that that should be "We named THE DOG Indiana."


bears would always vote a good guy over a bad guyWhat an absurb bias.

This is indeed very tough. I'll have to sleep on it. :orely:

SOMEBODIES cranky this morning

[cozener]

We named the dog INDIANAI believe that that should be "We named THE DOG Indiana."


bears would always vote a good guy over a bad guyWhat an absurb bias. I believe that that should be "absurd" bias. :excited:

[Jean]

call me any name you like
I will never deny it...
B.Dylan. Farewell Angelina

[Odetta]

We named the dog INDIANAI believe that that should be "We named THE DOG Indiana."


yes, you are correct

[fernandito]

Lecter is losing ...

:cry:

[CyberGhostface]

Definitely Hannibal. I have no problem loving the "bad guy", and in this case, I don't even think Hannibal's all that bad...

[Heather19]

What an absurb bias.
Yes, it is, so what? I do not like bad guys. Neither in life nor in movies nor in books. None of my favorite characters, ever, has been a villain. I just can't love them, and to call someone my favorite character, I have to love.

But do you never find some bad guys fascinating, or intriguing? Sometimes the villains can be the most interesting characters in my opinion.

[Jean]

Fascinating, maybe; intriguing, sure; I can never love them anyway. As to who is more interesting, there must be a thread where Nikolett expressed an opinion very similar to mine; it was called something like "why do people like the bad guy" - she confessed, much like me here, that she was never really interested in the villain of a story. (Now, as I am typing this, the horrible realization creeps upon me that the thread may have been at .net...)

[pathoftheturtle]

Both characters were beautifully realized by brilliant actors, but Lecter (a) has more depth and (b) is more original. Indiana Jones did help me as a youth to appreciate history and science, but Lecter helped me as an adult to face hard truths.

I had to vote for the bad guy this time. I can love a character without loving the supposed person that the character is representative of.

[Jean]

I had to vote for the bad guy this time. I can love a character without loving the supposed person that the character is representative of.
As usual, you caught the very essence of the matter and worded it clearly... Anyway, though, I can only like such a character, while loving for me would necessarily take liking both the character and the person.

[Heather19]

Fascinating, maybe; intriguing, sure; I can never love them anyway. As to who is more interesting, there must be a thread where Nikolett expressed an opinion very similar to mine; it was called something like "why do people like the bad guy" - she confessed, much like me here, that she was never really interested in the villain of a story. (Now, as I am typing this, the horrible realization creeps upon me that the thread may have been at .net...)

hmmm, I don't recall it. It might have been before my time over there. But maybe we should start up another discussion, because I'd like to continue this but I don't want to hog the thread.

[fernandito]

Come on! Lets get three more votes for Lecter! :D

[Jean]

Let's look around first, maybe I got it all wrong and the thread is here... http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k291/mishemplushem/Facilitation/0134-bear.gif

[Letti]

Fascinating, maybe; intriguing, sure; I can never love them anyway. As to who is more interesting, there must be a thread where Nikolett expressed an opinion very similar to mine; it was called something like "why do people like the bad guy" - she confessed, much like me here, that she was never really interested in the villain of a story. (Now, as I am typing this, the horrible realization creeps upon me that the thread may have been at .net...)

I remember it very well. :)


bears would always vote a good guy over a bad guy

Hannibal Lecter isn't totally bad. He isn't a villain to me. He is a psycho and he isn't an ordinary person still... my mind doesn't consider him as a villain.
I voted for him.

[LadyHitchhiker]

I voted for Indy, because honestly, I would be more likely to rewatch Indy movies more times than Hannibal movies even though I love both.

[fernandito]

Close race! :onfire:

[Sam]

Regarding Lecter being a "bad guy", he is very much a bad guy. Just because he wasn't the main villain of Silence of the Lambs doesn't mean he wasn't a bad guy. I've met people very much like him in my life, and I mean VERY much like him. Trust me on this one, no matter what sort of polish and clothing he may wear, he's definitely a villain. Remember, no matter how pretty it looks on the outside, no matter how delicious you may think it will be, a rotten apple is still rotten.

[pathoftheturtle]

We named the dog INDIANAI believe that that should be "We named THE DOG Indiana."


yes, you are correctNo big deal, I just love the line, too. "Indiana's" fahthah might just be an even great character than Indy himself. Too bad he got no nomination here.



Fascinating, maybe; intriguing, sure; I can never love them anyway. As to who is more interesting, there must be a thread where Nikolett expressed an opinion very similar to mine; it was called something like "why do people like the bad guy" - she confessed, much like me here, that she was never really interested in the villain of a story. (Now, as I am typing this, the horrible realization creeps upon me that the thread may have been at .net...)

hmmm, I don't recall it. It might have been before my time over there. But maybe we should start up another discussion, because I'd like to continue this but I don't want to hog the thread.Great idea. I'll keep an eye out for that thread, as well. :)




I had to vote for the bad guy this time. I can love a character without loving the supposed person that the character is representative of.
As usual, you caught the very essence of the matter and worded it clearly... Anyway, though, I can only like such a character, while loving for me would necessarily take liking both the character and the person.For me, that can be replaced with liking both the character and the writer. (And thanks for the compliment.)

[Jean]

alas, in Lecter case, I like neither the character, nor the writer, nor the director........

(liked what Sam wrote, though)

[CyberGhostface]

Regarding Lecter being a "bad guy", he is very much a bad guy. Just because he wasn't the main villain of Silence of the Lambs doesn't mean he wasn't a bad guy. I've met people very much like him in my life, and I mean VERY much like him. Trust me on this one, no matter what sort of polish and clothing he may wear, he's definitely a villain. Remember, no matter how pretty it looks on the outside, no matter how delicious you may think it will be, a rotten apple is still rotten.

It's more complex than that. It's not like he's, say, Freddy Krueger.

For example, in Hannibal (the book), a girl was raped by her pedophile brother. Hannibal was her psychiatrist, and he helped her get over the blame that she was feeling over it. And when she finally killed her brother, Hannibal willingly took the blame so she wouldn't get caught. He does have a moral code and a sense of right and wrong, no matter how warped that may be. (And I know some people think this was added at the last minute in the third book, but it's still present in Silence in some spots).

If people here think Mordred (of all people) is misunderstood when Mordred never committed a nice act in his life, I think Lecter should be afforded a similar courtesy.

[cozener]

I'll have to agree with Sam on this one. Lecter is a cannibalistic serial killer. If you make a habit of killing people for your own gratification this pretty much makes you evil. While his twisted sense of morality and fair play does make him a more complex character there's nothing complex about the fact that he's one bad dude.

[Jean]

I'll have to agree with Sam on this one. Lecter is a cannibalistic serial killer. If you make a habit of killing people for your own gratification this pretty much makes you evil. While his twisted sense of morality and fair play does make him a more complex character there's nothing complex about the fact that he's one bad dude.
sounds very true to me

[John Blaze]

Regarding Lecter being a "bad guy", he is very much a bad guy. Just because he wasn't the main villain of Silence of the Lambs doesn't mean he wasn't a bad guy. I've met people very much like him in my life, and I mean VERY much like him. Trust me on this one, no matter what sort of polish and clothing he may wear, he's definitely a villain. Remember, no matter how pretty it looks on the outside, no matter how delicious you may think it will be, a rotten apple is still rotten.

It's more complex than that. It's not like he's, say, Freddy Krueger.

For example, in Hannibal (the book), a girl was raped by her pedophile brother. Hannibal was her psychiatrist, and he helped her get over the blame that she was feeling over it. And when she finally killed her brother, Hannibal willingly took the blame so she wouldn't get caught. He does have a moral code and a sense of right and wrong, no matter how warped that may be. (And I know some people think this was added at the last minute in the third book, but it's still present in Silence in some spots).

If people here think Mordred (of all people) is misunderstood when Mordred never committed a nice act in his life, I think Lecter should be afforded a similar courtesy.
wow.....we actually agree on something.

[Brice]

I liked Lecter best, though I love Indiana too.

On the subject of good and bad guys I think it's rather rare that a person is one or another and I have no problem loving a bad guy in fiction or in real life. Behavior or actions don't make for a bad guy IMO. Good people do some very despicable things too sometimes. Rarely is someone a clearly good or bad person.

[candy]

I liked Lecter best, though I love Indiana too.

On the subject of good and bad guys I think it's rather rare that a person is one or another and I have no problem loving a bad guy in fiction or in real life. Behavior or actions don't make for a bad guy IMO. Good people do some very despicable things too sometimes. Rarely is someone a clearly good or bad person.

in 'real life' there is always hope - but with fiction unfortunatley the writer is in charge. in the first film lecter was an enigma (i think that is how you spell it) it in the 2nd he was just twisted so lost the vote

[Brice]

I don't think Lecter was just plain bad though. I think the books add significantly more to the character. Hope's a funny thing. There is pretty much always hope.


*whispers* It's enigma

[fernandito]

Indiana Jones advances!