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Randall Flagg
01-12-2008, 02:36 PM
I enjoyed Desperation, but perhaps because I knew a little of the back story for how King thought of the novel, as well as having myself been to desolate parts of the Nevada desert.

In 1994 King took a cross country ride on his Harley Davidson motorcycle. He combined the ride with appearances at small booksellers stores to promote his new novel Insomnia, as well as bring attention and revenue to independant booksellers.
King had someone in a "chase" vehicle following him in case of breakdown etc.
At some point King became separated from the chase vehicle and stopped in some desolate ghost town in the middle of nowhere off of Highway 50 in Nevada. The incident helped plant the seed in King's mind for Desperation/The Regulators.

When King arrived in Northen California, a friend and I saw went to a reading and speach he did in Santa Cruz.

http://www.thedarktower.org/gallery/data/510/jerome1.jpg

fernandito
01-13-2008, 03:38 PM
Impressive. :)

ZoNeSeeK
01-21-2008, 06:59 PM
I didnt mind Lisey's Story either, i thought he did a pretty good job when the substance of the book was based on the strength of a marriage.

Not sure what I would state as his "worst" book ..

ATG
01-21-2008, 08:05 PM
Roadwork also comes to mind.

Daghain
01-21-2008, 08:20 PM
Really? I liked Roadwork. Not his best, I'll admit, but still good.

ATG
01-21-2008, 08:26 PM
It was just so...uninteresting. Unlike The Long Walk.

Pure raw genius.

Randall Flagg
01-24-2008, 03:43 PM
Roadwork also comes to mind.
King himself feels that Roadwork was the weakest of the Bachman Books.

jayson
01-24-2008, 03:50 PM
I like Roadwork, but besides Thinner, it could be my least fav Bachman project. It's really a matter of liking the others more, than it is disliking Roadwork.

obscurejude
01-25-2008, 06:07 PM
I can take or leave most of the Bachman stuff. I think the reasons behind the pseudonym are interesting though, and appreciate why King did it.

MonteGss
01-25-2008, 06:19 PM
Insomina ... ironically titled because the first 3/4 of the book is the cure for the disease named on the cover.


Finally! Someone who agrees with me! I've never tried so hard to finish a book. Crap, complete crap. :)

obscurejude
01-25-2008, 06:23 PM
Insomina ... ironically titled because the first 3/4 of the book is the cure for the disease named on the cover.


Finally! Someone who agrees with me! I've never tried so hard to finish a book. Crap, complete crap. :)

You take that back you SOB! Oh wait, I'm sorry. A little carried away. I love that book. Legally changed my name to Ralph. Married a woman who is fifty years older than me. Started doing cocaine so I wouldn't fall asleep in hopes of seeing the world in dazzling auras. I also once ran over a midget with my car because I thought the bastard was part of the random. Turns out it was a kid dressed up like ET for halloween.

Matt
01-25-2008, 07:07 PM
Insomina ... ironically titled because the first 3/4 of the book is the cure for the disease named on the cover.


Finally! Someone who agrees with me! I've never tried so hard to finish a book. Crap, complete crap. :)

I have to agree here, it was hard to get through on audio. :lol:

Almost drove off the road. :ninja:

But I LOVED the Roland parts, we were so starved then. I read the whole thing just for those.

Wuducynn
01-25-2008, 07:20 PM
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I have to agree here, it was hard to get through on audio. :lol:

Almost drove off the road. :ninja:

But I LOVED the Roland parts, we were so starved then. I read the whole thing just for those.

The audio recording was awful. The actor they used was awful. I wish they would re-record it with a new person.

Darkthoughts
01-26-2008, 04:25 AM
Insomina ... ironically titled because the first 3/4 of the book is the cure for the disease named on the cover.


Finally! Someone who agrees with me! I've never tried so hard to finish a book. Crap, complete crap. :)

You take that back you SOB! Oh wait, I'm sorry. A little carried away. I love that book. Legally changed my name to Ralph. Married a woman who is fifty years older than me. Started doing cocaine so I wouldn't fall asleep in hopes of seeing the world in dazzling auras. I also once ran over a midget with my car because I thought the bastard was part of the random. Turns out it was a kid dressed up like ET for halloween.
:rofl:

Yeah, you take it back Monte, or I'll...I'll...I'm telling my MUM!!!

TerribleT
01-26-2008, 05:32 AM
I remember it being really difficult to get through this book, but then as I got towards the end, it ended up being pretty good.

Heather19
01-26-2008, 08:25 AM
I agree about Insomnia as well. I struggled thru the whole book, and even now don't know why I bothered so hard to finish it. It just didn't interest me at all.

Darkthoughts
01-26-2008, 08:38 AM
Noooo, Heather - not you too? :cry:

sarah
01-26-2008, 08:41 AM
The ending of Insomnia is where it's all at. Yes the book is long and at times a bit slow, but if you stick it out, it is worth it in the end.

Matt
01-26-2008, 08:52 AM
I totally agree with that, very well ended.

Darkthoughts
01-26-2008, 08:52 AM
I liked the whole thing, but I prefer my King slow and rambling - books where he gets straight to it like Dreamcatcher and Cell, I don't find so appealing :)

Heather19
01-26-2008, 08:54 AM
I'm guess I'm the opposite. I loved both of those stories. The thing I liked alot about Cell was that it started off with a bang, and it drew you right in.

Darkthoughts
01-26-2008, 09:00 AM
:lol: Yep, thats the rub right there then! I remember reading Cell and thinking, "Whoa...I don't know these people yet!! Backstory! Backstory!!"

obscurejude
01-26-2008, 11:11 AM
I believe that Insomnia is the greatest book ever produced in the history of creation. It is my personal talisman, with me wherever I go. I used a hardback copy as the capstone to the foundation for my new house (it does lean a little to the left though). When I become discouraged about the human condition and acts of gratuitous violence, I gaze upon the cover of Insomnia (the artwork is amazing) and remind myself that yes, humanity is capable of good, even divine things.

MonteGss
01-26-2008, 03:20 PM
The ending of Insomnia is where it's all at. Yes the book is long and at times a bit slow, but if you stick it out, it is worth it in the end.

The end was good, I don't deny it. The book is crap though, imo. A good ending is not enough to make a book good.

Wuducynn
01-26-2008, 04:43 PM
The ending of Insomnia is where it's all at. Yes the book is long and at times a bit slow, but if you stick it out, it is worth it in the end.


There's that "slow" issue again ;)

obscurejude
01-26-2008, 04:45 PM
Insomnia provides both length and girth to the reading enthusiast.

Wuducynn
01-26-2008, 08:52 PM
Insomnia provides both length and girth to the reading enthusiast.

Satisfaction

Darkthoughts
01-27-2008, 02:42 AM
You can't say no to a bit of length and girth...;)

MonteGss
01-27-2008, 02:52 AM
I'm glad I'm here for you Lisa. ;)

Darkthoughts
01-27-2008, 03:06 AM
:lol:

Whoever told you you had a fat one, LaChance?

albert_sy2
01-27-2008, 06:54 AM
the worst one may just be DT7.

eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee eeeeeeeeee

MonteGss
01-27-2008, 01:18 PM
Hmm, I never in my life thought somebody would think Tommyknockers or Thinner is better than DT7. Whoa.
To each his own, I guess.

Jean
01-27-2008, 02:14 PM
Hmm, I never in my life thought somebody would think Tommyknockers or Thinner is better than DT7. Whoa.

http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k291/mishemplushem/Facilitation/bear4bis.gif
on second thoughts, remember mi14a or whatever his name was? He thought anything was better than DT7 (also 5 and 6).

Lord_Vertigo
01-27-2008, 02:27 PM
I don't know about worst ... but I've been trying to read "Lisey's Story" for the past year, and it's the first time I haven't been able to get into a Stephen King novel. Everything else I've devoured in no more than a week, but I just don't enjoy this one. I'm curious about trying Duma Key sometime, though, but am not sure I want to buy it. It might be a library read. Maybe an audiobook for a road trip.

MonteGss
01-27-2008, 04:15 PM
Hmm, I never in my life thought somebody would think Tommyknockers or Thinner is better than DT7. Whoa.

http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k291/mishemplushem/Facilitation/bear4bis.gif
on second thoughts, remember mi14a or whatever his name was? He thought anything was better than DT7 (also 5 and 6).

Very true, Jean. Then again, he was just plain disagreeable.

Wuducynn
01-27-2008, 04:45 PM
Very true, Jean. Then again, he was just a plain disagreeable asshole.

There, fixed that for you.

MonteGss
01-27-2008, 04:47 PM
:rofl:

Daghain
01-27-2008, 11:08 PM
You boys. :lol:

I'm rereading all my King now. Insomnia was not a big winner for me the first time around, but now that I've become a DT geek it's possible I may enjoy it more on a reread.

Only time will tell. :)

PedroPáramo
01-29-2008, 01:06 PM
Insomnia.
Needful things.
(for me :lol: )

jayson
01-29-2008, 01:15 PM
i loved needful things. mr gaunt is among my fav characters of king's.

fernandito
01-29-2008, 01:24 PM
Well why don't you just marry it then!


hmph!

jayson
01-29-2008, 01:30 PM
bc it won't put out

fernandito
01-29-2008, 01:32 PM
:lol:

MonteGss
01-29-2008, 09:49 PM
Damn, I read Needful Things when it first came out and haven't read it since. I think that may need a re-read. I remember liking it though.

I've mentioned this before but it took me three times to actually be able to finish Insomnia. I got it when it first released in hardcover and I only first finished it last year. I pushed my way through only after reading DT7 and talking with other DT junkies. I hope that someday I can say that it isn't one of King's worst novels.

obscurejude
01-29-2008, 10:14 PM
Damn, I read Needful Things when it first came out and haven't read it since. I think that may need a re-read. I remember liking it though.

I've mentioned this before but it took me three times to actually be able to finish Insomnia. I got it when it first released in hardcover and I only first finished it last year. I pushed my way through only after reading DT7 and talking with other DT junkies. I hope that someday I can say that it isn't one of King's worst novels.

I hope that day comes too Monte. I have a laminated copy out in the yard with a little garden around it and a bench that I sit on.

John Blaze
02-05-2008, 08:52 PM
I've said it before and I'll say it again. Cell sucked.

fernandito
02-05-2008, 08:54 PM
I've said it before and I'll say it again. Cell sucked.

Beautifully stated.

Daghain
02-05-2008, 08:56 PM
Amen, brother. :)

fernandito
02-05-2008, 09:01 PM
I thought you were going to disagree with me , Dags. Here I was, coming in with an upside down smirk and a spork in my hand, ready to dish out fiery pain!


I'm glad it didn't come to that :couple:

Daghain
02-05-2008, 09:02 PM
:lol:

Nice try, though.

Wuducynn
02-05-2008, 09:05 PM
I've said it before and I'll say it again. Cell sucked.

Beautifully stated.

Suckily stated and to top that off, fuck you and your mother you rode in on.

fernandito
02-05-2008, 09:08 PM
But I rode it on yours... :(

Wuducynn
02-05-2008, 09:08 PM
No, look close.."Your mother you rode in on"

fernandito
02-05-2008, 09:14 PM
No, I'm pretty sure it was yours. ;)

Wuducynn
02-05-2008, 09:15 PM
Mexicans don't even know their own mothers from the horses they ride to the ranches on everyday...sad.

fernandito
02-05-2008, 09:16 PM
I'm sorry, I wasn't paying attention. What about your mom? :)

Wuducynn
02-05-2008, 09:19 PM
I'm sorry, not horses...donkey's.

Feverish's family pic http://farm1.static.flickr.com/129/388065805_bb81cc57ac.jpg

fernandito
02-05-2008, 09:20 PM
What's my uncle Chuy doing there!?

Wuducynn
02-05-2008, 09:21 PM
Oh man...your uncle riding your mother??

fernandito
02-05-2008, 09:22 PM
No, actually we named that particular donkey El Cucuy.

MonteGss
02-05-2008, 09:25 PM
Well now that we've got CK's man-crush of feev out in the open....I haven't heard too many good things about Cell. I haven't read it yet but I was kinda surprised when I got a basic plot description of it. I guess I'll see soon. :)

Erin
02-05-2008, 09:26 PM
I thought Cell was pretty damn cool, but then again, I love anything zombie related.

Daghain
02-05-2008, 09:27 PM
It felt like a retread to me. Very predictable and sooo "I've seen this before."

Disappointing, really.

fernandito
02-05-2008, 09:28 PM
*high-as-fuck five*

Erin
02-05-2008, 09:32 PM
Pfffft. May zombies bite you guys. <_<




:P

fernandito
02-05-2008, 09:33 PM
As long as it's not in the (whistles).

Wuducynn
02-05-2008, 09:35 PM
Cujo is still the reining champion of SK suck for me.

John Blaze
02-05-2008, 09:37 PM
:lol:

sporks are classified as deadly weapons, right?

to be fair, I've never read another SK book I thought sucked. I even liked insomnia, even though it's far from his best.

But Cell? shallow characters, stupid plot..........eh.

ATG
02-05-2008, 09:38 PM
I also could not connect with Black House, er, whatitsname, The Talisman part 2.

I actually bought it, started it, lost interest, then picked it up a few years later and finally read the dust jacket and I was all " hey, that's Jack Sawyer, the Jack Sawyer so I got through it.

There was just none of the spell binding of The Talisman in that book for me.

fernandito
02-05-2008, 09:40 PM
...shallow characters, stupid plot......

It could also work the other way around.

ATG
02-05-2008, 09:46 PM
...shallow characters, stupid plot......

It could also work the other way around.


Hair splitter.

obscurejude
02-05-2008, 11:41 PM
I'm curious, what do you think is so stupid about the plot?

Darkthoughts
02-06-2008, 01:51 AM
Cell was pretty hardcore from the get go, with all the gore and general zombieness. It read like a filmscript in that way.

It's by no means my favourite King story, but I didn't think it sucked. I liked the idea of it and I enjoyed the characters, who were well developed. But I'm not a big zombie fan, so I didn't enjoy it as much as other SK books, I also didn't enjoy Pet Sematary or Desperation for similar reasons though - the more flat out horror books aren't really my thing.

I did like the ambiguous ending though.

Ruthful
02-06-2008, 03:26 AM
Cujo is still the reining champion of SK suck for me.

Undefeated World Champion, with The Dark Half a strong runner-up.

I actually loved Pet Sematary's creepiness. It's probably the only Stephen King novel I've read that was scary-in a tangible way-throughout. He hasn't written too many genuinely bonechilling novels since then.

blackrose22
02-06-2008, 05:10 AM
The Tommyknockers has to be the worst book SK put his name to. The book was shit from start to finish. It's the only SK book I've never read more than once.

Matt
02-06-2008, 09:39 AM
Tommyknockers was a wash for me. I wasn't hating it but it sure didn't draw me back like Cell. :P

MonteGss
02-06-2008, 09:42 AM
I agree! Tommknockers was pretty bad, I did make it through the first time I tried. I'm not really thinking about that one in my reread of King novels. :)

Wuducynn
02-06-2008, 09:46 AM
I loved Dark Half, Ruthful. Why is it so high on your least favorite list?

Heather19
02-06-2008, 03:31 PM
Monte, don't listen to them. You should definately check out Cell. I thought it was a pretty good read. It's one of my favorite of his more recent novels.

Wuducynn
02-06-2008, 03:52 PM
Monte, don't listen to them. You should definately check out Cell. I thought it was a pretty good read. It's one of my favorite of his more recent novels.


Agreed. I thought it was one of his most scariest novels.

Brice
02-06-2008, 04:21 PM
I also loved Cell. Of course since there are things about every King book I love my opinion may not hold as much weight as some of the others.

John Blaze
02-06-2008, 05:59 PM
i liked Dark Half, it made more sense than cell.

or do telepathic flying zombies make sense? :P

Wuducynn
02-06-2008, 06:29 PM
Do an author's fictional nightmare characters coming to life make any more sense?

John Blaze
02-06-2008, 07:20 PM
actually, yes

ATG
02-06-2008, 07:20 PM
I also loved Cell. Of course since there are things about every King book I love my opinion may not hold as much weight as some of the others.

We all find something to love about King. It could be as simple as yet another new book. Good, bad and the ugly, bring it on.

Wuducynn
02-06-2008, 07:23 PM
actually, yes

Okay, how?

mia/susannah
02-06-2008, 07:27 PM
I liked most of his books. There are some that I found not as captivating. But I will reread them one day.

obscurejude
02-06-2008, 07:44 PM
i liked Dark Half, it made more sense than cell.

or do telepathic flying zombies make sense? :P

It does make sense. That is the irony of the novel. It took a complete technological crash for man to realize his true potential. Modernity would have us think that transhumanism is completely reliant upon technology. I thought it was a genius concept.

John Blaze
02-06-2008, 08:29 PM
OK, I can see how a computer signal or sound can drive you nuts. But give you telepathic and levitation powers? Horseshit.

It's not like they were in a gamma radiation accident. The Sandman and The Incredible Hulk are much more believable than that.

Wuducynn
02-06-2008, 09:16 PM
OK, I can see how a computer signal or sound can drive you nuts. But give you telepathic and levitation powers? Horseshit.

It's not like they were in a gamma radiation accident. The Sandman and The Incredible Hulk are much more believable than that.

Okay. The signal stripped away their humanity and made them into something else entirely. Bringing out latent psychic and telekinetic abilities. Not horseshit at all, but pretty imaginative I'd say.

John Blaze
02-06-2008, 09:30 PM
Well we're not gonna agree on that point. Imaginative?, I'll give it that.

obscurejude
02-06-2008, 09:40 PM
OK, I can see how a computer signal or sound can drive you nuts. But give you telepathic and levitation powers? Horseshit.

It's not like they were in a gamma radiation accident. The Sandman and The Incredible Hulk are much more believable than that.

Okay. The signal stripped away their humanity and made them into something else entirely. Bringing out latent psychic and telekinetic abilities. Not horseshit at all, but pretty imaginative I'd say.

If it was latent it means it was always there. They didn't become something else entirely. Again, the irony. They were "re-booted" but only after technology was lost.

obscurejude
02-06-2008, 09:43 PM
Also, horseshit? You still haven't given any reason as to why you don't think its believable. The computer signal didn't give them any powers, rather it stripped them of what was preventing them from using what was already there. Did you even read it?

John Blaze
02-06-2008, 09:54 PM
Also, horseshit? You still haven't given any reason as to why you don't think its believable. The computer signal didn't give them any powers, rather it stripped them of what was preventing them from using what was already there. Did you even read it?

Did I read it? I paid almost 30 bucks for the motherfucker the minute it was released. All I said was that, to me, it's not a good King novel. The thread itself is asking people's opinion of what the worst King novel is, and I posted my opinion.

obscurejude
02-06-2008, 09:59 PM
Your opinions have a lot of bombastic claims that are never substantiated. If you're opinion is simply "not a good King novel" maybe you should refrain from calling it "horseshit" with shallow characters and a bad plot.

John Blaze
02-06-2008, 10:12 PM
but it DOES have shallow characters and a bad plot, and the fact that others agree with me is enough "substantiation."

obscurejude
02-06-2008, 10:34 PM
Okay John. Honestly, I was going to say something rather mean, but this is a good community and I don't want there to be animosity. I seriously don't think that is adequate substantiation. Again, its fine if you don't like it, but if you insist on using that kind of language you should back it up.

John Blaze
02-06-2008, 10:40 PM
Hey buddy, you know what? This is an opinion thread. Key word, opinion. You don't have to agree with me. In fact, hardly anyone here agrees with anyone else. I like The Dark Half, Tommyknockers, and I fucken LOVE Black House. But I don't attack anyone that says they didn't. I said earlier, we're never gonna agree on Cell. Regarding the substantiation of my claims of horseshit; I can go deep into it and find something, but I don't really feel like going through so much effort over an internet squabble.

Peace easy.

obscurejude
02-06-2008, 10:48 PM
John, I wasn't attacking you. I felt like what you were saying warranted that kind of response. I am not trying to persuade you to enjoy Cell, if I was, then you would be right in claiming that I was attacking your opinion. I would say the key word is "thread." The medium of our discussion is text. The tone of your words were harsh. The diction of your "opinions" suggested you had something more substantive to say. I hope we're cool. I'm sorry for pissing you off. I promise it wasn't my intention.

obscurejude
02-06-2008, 10:52 PM
John, I have to go to sleep. If there is anything else you'd like say, by all means send me a pm. Long days.

John Blaze
02-06-2008, 10:54 PM
It seems my use of the word Horseshit is what set you off. I'm sorry. Believe me when I say I don't have time, energy, or desire to fight on the internet.

Jean
02-06-2008, 11:23 PM
I don't see anything in John's posts that could insult anyone.


Your opinions have a lot of bombastic claims that are never substantiated. If you're opinion is simply "not a good King novel" maybe you should refrain from calling it "horseshit" with shallow characters and a bad plot.

I think if someone feels that a King novel is horseshit with shallow characters and a bad plot, s/he has a perfect right to say it here. Too much substantiation might lead the thread astray. There are individual threads for books where we can always go on with discussions started in this thread.

Wuducynn
02-07-2008, 06:11 AM
:lol: Goodness gracious folks. JohnBlaze is the expert on horseshit anyway, so if he calls Cell horseshit than its horseshit damn it! :lol:

obscurejude
02-07-2008, 08:25 AM
I don't see anything in John's posts that could insult anyone.


Your opinions have a lot of bombastic claims that are never substantiated. If you're opinion is simply "not a good King novel" maybe you should refrain from calling it "horseshit" with shallow characters and a bad plot.

I think if someone feels that a King novel is horseshit with shallow characters and a bad plot, s/he has a perfect right to say it here. Too much substantiation might lead the thread astray. There are individual threads for books where we can always go on with discussions started in this thread.

I never said I was insulted Jean. But whatever. I'm getting the feeling that most of what I say about anything isn't very appreciated on this site. How do you erase your profile?

Brice
02-07-2008, 08:37 AM
I don't see anything in John's posts that could insult anyone.


Your opinions have a lot of bombastic claims that are never substantiated. If you're opinion is simply "not a good King novel" maybe you should refrain from calling it "horseshit" with shallow characters and a bad plot.

I think if someone feels that a King novel is horseshit with shallow characters and a bad plot, s/he has a perfect right to say it here. Too much substantiation might lead the thread astray. There are individual threads for books where we can always go on with discussions started in this thread.

I never said I was insulted Jean. But whatever. I'm getting the feeling that most of what I say about anything isn't very appreciated on this site. How do you erase your profile?

As in delete your account? I'm not sure you can. Don't come to the site if you don't want to. With that said Ryan I've enjoyed you being here and hope you decide to stick around.

illwill0118
02-07-2008, 08:46 AM
Girl Who Loved Tom Gordon

Wuducynn
02-07-2008, 09:05 AM
Don't just post the title of the book, tell us why its your least favorite.

jayson
02-07-2008, 09:09 AM
Can I vote that I think Cell is horseshit, but I still want Ryan to stay? also, shouldn't this thread have a poll with every king book listed so we can empirically determine which book sucks the hardest? get on that jean...

Wuducynn
02-07-2008, 09:10 AM
Can I vote that I think Cell is horseshit, but I still want Ryan to stay?

No.

Brice
02-07-2008, 09:12 AM
1.Can I vote that I think Cell is horseshit,

2. but I still want Ryan to stay?

3.also, shouldn't this thread have a poll with every king book listed so we can empirically determine which book sucks the hardest? get on that jean...

1. No, you cannot. That is not your opinion.

2. As do I.

3.I'm not sure you can have that many options in a poll. I don't know.

Wuducynn
02-07-2008, 09:13 AM
1. No, you cannot. That is not your opinion.

2. As do I.

3.I'm not sure you can have that many options in a poll. I'm don't know.

Damn Canadians.

Brice
02-07-2008, 09:15 AM
I haven't even been to Canada. :lol:

jayson
02-07-2008, 09:15 AM
1.Can I vote that I think Cell is horseshit,

2. but I still want Ryan to stay?

3.also, shouldn't this thread have a poll with every king book listed so we can empirically determine which book sucks the hardest? get on that jean...

1. No, you cannot. That is not your opinion.

2. As do I.

3.I'm not sure you can have that many options in a poll. I'm don't know.

1. oh but it is i could enumerate the reasons but perhaps i will seek the "why cell is horseshit" thread

2. excellent

3. i was being facetious, but now i want to see it. make it so...

Wuducynn
02-07-2008, 09:17 AM
I haven't even been to Canada. :lol:

Canadians are the worst of liars. Especially when trying to convince others they're not from Canada.

Brice
02-07-2008, 09:17 AM
1.Can I vote that I think Cell is horseshit,

2. but I still want Ryan to stay?

3.also, shouldn't this thread have a poll with every king book listed so we can empirically determine which book sucks the hardest? get on that jean...

1. No, you cannot. That is not your opinion.

2. As do I.

3.I'm not sure you can have that many options in a poll. I'm don't know.

1. oh but it is i could enumerate the reasons but perhaps i will seek the "why cell is horseshit" thread

2. excellent

3. i was being facetious, but now i want to see it. make it so...

1. Yes, but the fact that Cell is not horseshit totally voids all your little arguments. :P

2. :cool:

3. Even if it could be done. I couldn't do it. I am powerless in this section of the site.

jayson
02-07-2008, 09:18 AM
this is america, we could just waterboard him to find out.:shoot:

Brice
02-07-2008, 09:18 AM
I haven't even been to Canada. :lol:

Canadians are the worst of liars. Especially when trying to convince others they're not from Canada.

Okay, I confess...I'm Canadian. :(


this is america, we could just waterboard him to find out.:shoot:

:cry:

Wuducynn
02-07-2008, 09:21 AM
Okay, I confess...I'm Canadian. :(


See? This also proves you were the real one that let Jake drop. Oh and stop polluting our precious bodily fluids will you?

jayson
02-07-2008, 09:21 AM
1.Can I vote that I think Cell is horseshit,

2. but I still want Ryan to stay?

3.also, shouldn't this thread have a poll with every king book listed so we can empirically determine which book sucks the hardest? get on that jean...

1. No, you cannot. That is not your opinion.

2. As do I.

3.I'm not sure you can have that many options in a poll. I'm don't know.

1. oh but it is i could enumerate the reasons but perhaps i will seek the "why cell is horseshit" thread

2. excellent

3. i was being facetious, but now i want to see it. make it so...

1. Yes, but the fact that Cell is not horseshit totally voids all your little arguments. :P

2. :cool:

3. Even if it could be done. I couldn't do it. I am powerless in this section of the site.

1. my arguments are guaranteed unvoidable all rights reserved. cell may not be totally horseshit, it may be part bullshit, part pigshit, etc. what it was not was interesting or of the quality i expect from king.

2. :clap:

3. that's why i ordered jean to do it. bears can do anything

Brice
02-07-2008, 09:26 AM
Okay, I confess...I'm Canadian. :(


See? This also proves you were the real one that let Jake drop. Oh and stop polluting our precious bodily fluids will you?
guilty
guilty
guilty
:(






1.Can I vote that I think Cell is horseshit,

2. but I still want Ryan to stay?

3.also, shouldn't this thread have a poll with every king book listed so we can empirically determine which book sucks the hardest? get on that jean...

1. No, you cannot. That is not your opinion.

2. As do I.

3.I'm not sure you can have that many options in a poll. I'm don't know.

1. oh but it is i could enumerate the reasons but perhaps i will seek the "why cell is horseshit" thread

2. excellent

3. i was being facetious, but now i want to see it. make it so...

1. Yes, but the fact that Cell is not horseshit totally voids all your little arguments. :P

2. :cool:

3. Even if it could be done. I couldn't do it. I am powerless in this section of the site.

1. my arguments are guaranteed unvoidable all rights reserved. cell may not be totally horseshit, it may be part bullshit, part pigshit, etc. what it was not was interesting or of the quality i expect from king.

2. :clap:

3. that's why i ordered jean to do it. bears can do anything

1. As it is your claim the burden of proof that it is horseshit lies with you...go find the cell is horseshit thread. :lol:

3. 'Tis true.

Guys, we should let this get back on topic now please.

jayson
02-07-2008, 09:30 AM
pay attention brice, i involved why i thought cell was the 'worst king novel' in my response. the rest was just, um... phrasing. so you stay on topic! :lol:

Brice
02-07-2008, 09:34 AM
pay attention brice, i involved why i thought cell was the 'worst king novel' in my response. the rest was just, um... phrasing. so you stay on topic! :lol:


Damn, you did go and smoke that weed didn't you. Your judgement is impaired. Maybe you smoked too much? Maybe not enough?

King's worst novel is

unwritten

Wuducynn
02-07-2008, 09:40 AM
Cujo is the only book by him I don't like. It didn't scare me and I lost interest half way through, which I have yet to do with any other King book. I was yawning, and thats a bad sign. A VERY bad sign.

This asshole pretty much covers what I dislike about Cujo and why I list it as King's worst novel.

John Blaze
02-07-2008, 11:13 AM
Ryan, obscurejade, dude! Please don't go and leave this site because I'm an asshole. Everyone pretty much agrees I'm an asshole, which is why I have no friends. Ask Cyber.

On a serious note: I really don't want you to leave because we had a disagreement. Just because you like Cell and I don't doesn't mean we can't be friends. I'll just stay out of this thread from now on.

John Blaze
02-07-2008, 11:15 AM
and Cyberghostface---I'm just kidding, we're cool.

Jean
02-07-2008, 12:45 PM
obscurejude: did I miss something? I always thought you were a valuable member of this site, appreciated by many and having many an interesting discussion in progress? Why leave where you are wanted?



King's worst novel is
unwritten

You're scaring me. Does that mean we're going to have something worse than Cell or Lisey's Story? Will that be Bag of Bones, The Uncut?

I actually noticed that, while I still, by force of habit, vote The Tommyknockers, I'm growing fonder and fonder of that book now that I read those others... I really got to re-read it now.

Daghain
02-07-2008, 12:55 PM
IMHO, there is no reason for anyone to stay out of this thread. Everyone is entitled to his or her opinion. :)

John Blaze
02-07-2008, 01:04 PM
I like Bag of Bones too! I actually like all of them. But in my opinion his worst book is Cell.

Lisey's story I haven't read yet. Brother's been broke from buying all them guns for his collection. :D

Daghain
02-07-2008, 01:07 PM
I need to reread Tommyknockers. I can't even remember if I liked it or not. :lol:

Wuducynn
02-07-2008, 01:11 PM
I need to reread Tommyknockers. I can't even remember if I liked it or not. :lol:

I Don't Even Remember Writing The Tommyknockers


By Stephen King

Preview
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So, I'm doing this book signing for The Girl Who Loved Tom Gordon at the Barnes & Noble on Manhattan's Upper West Side last week, and this woman comes up to me, gushing about how The Tommyknockers is her "absolute, all-time favorite book." The name really didn't ring a bell, but I figured I must have written it, seeing as this woman is bothering to tell me how it's her all-time favorite, so I just kind of play along like I know what the heck she's talking about.
"What Bobbi Anderson and the other people of Haven went through, well, that was just the ultimate in horror fiction," this woman said to me as I nodded along, clueless. "I must have read it at least 50 times, and I swear, not once has it failed to scare the living daylights out of me."
Anyway, when I got home, I looked up The Tommyknockers in this literature reference book I have and, sure enough, I wrote it in 1987. Apparently, it's the story of this woman in this small town in Maine who discovers a metal object that was buried for millennia, and the thing gives all the townspeople super-powers. But then there's this deadly evil that's unleashed by the object, and the town becomes a death trap for all outsiders.
After reading the plot synopsis, I sort of remembered it, but, then again, maybe it just sounded like something else I wrote. After your 50 or 60th one, it's all kind of a blur. But if I had to venture a guess, I'd say I probably did write The Tommyknockers. It sounds like my kind of thing, what with this invisible evil being unleashed on a town full of innocent people and all.
To be honest, that wouldn't be the first time I'd forgotten one of my books. I'm usually pretty good about remembering the early stuff, like Carrie and The Stand and so forth. And I never forget my most recent one. It's those middle-period ones, though, that always seem to slip my mind. Like, what's that one about the writer who uses a pen name, and then the pen name develops into this evil, Mr. Hyde-type alter ego and commits a brutal murder? The Dark Tower? The Dark Zone? I'm pretty sure it's the "Dark" something, but I could be wrong.
Oh, and then there was that one about the werewolf. I honestly don't remember anything about that one, except that there was some kind of killer werewolf attacking a whole bunch of people. Hopefully, no one will ever mention that one at a book signing, because I don't think I could fake it for even a minute. Like I said, it's all a big blur after a while.http://www.theonion.com/content/themes/onion/assets/terminator.gif

Daghain
02-07-2008, 01:16 PM
:rofl:

Míchéal
02-07-2008, 01:16 PM
i have tommyknockers on my shelf...i've yet to read it...i kind of have a big phase where i read read read and then a bit of a lull...

John Blaze
02-07-2008, 01:20 PM
:lol: that's a real article? :rofl:

Wuducynn
02-07-2008, 01:21 PM
:lol: that's a real article? :rofl:

Its not a real article from King, its from The Onion which is a spoof newspaper.

John Blaze
02-07-2008, 01:28 PM
oh I know all about the Onion, but it sounds like an article he really might have written. He does poke fun at himself quite a bit.

Farson
02-07-2008, 01:36 PM
So, Everyone Liked The Colorado Kid? I mean, I'm a HUGE fan of the Pulp Crime read, but that one left me pissed. The old men bugged me, everything about that book bugged me! (I still read it 3 times). Yah, I'd put The Colorado Kid at the top of my list.

John Blaze
02-07-2008, 01:50 PM
Haven't read that either. For some reason, after Cell, I haven't been in too much of a hurry to buy his new books.

fernandito
02-07-2008, 01:53 PM
Haven't read that either. For some reason, after Cell, I haven't been in too much of a hurry to buy his new books.

Ain't that the damn truth. Duma Key will be the newest King book I'll pick up after reading Cell.

John Blaze
02-07-2008, 01:58 PM
Duma Key I'm actually thinking about buying. But Colorado Kid, it just didn't looks great.

Daghain
02-07-2008, 02:04 PM
The Colorado Kid was okay, IMHO. Blaze was better, but still not up to what I would say is classic King. Maybe he needs to get back on the booze and pills. :lol:

Farson
02-07-2008, 02:04 PM
nah, you should still read it. Not a TOTAL waste of time, but it will piss you off. Tell me if I'm wrong....

John Blaze
02-07-2008, 02:10 PM
i will.

Randall Flagg
02-12-2008, 05:53 PM
The thought was mentioned about adding a poll.
The maximum number of choices is 10.
If there really was enough interest, time could be spent to whittle the list down to 10, (or I could just add the 10 I think are the worst) and then add the poll.

Jean
02-12-2008, 09:57 PM
the ones already mentioned have been:

The Girl Who Loved Tom Gordon
The Tommyknockers
Cujo
From a Buick 8
The Dark Half
Thinner (and most other Bachman books, with the exception - so far - of Long Walk)
Christine
Bag of Bones
Cell
Lisey's Story
The Eyes of the Dragon
Black House
Gerald's Game
The Regulators
Desperation
Dreamcatcher

and I think I'll stop here because it already makes more than ten; I'm afraid those dislikes are so unpredictable that adding a poll would not be representative anyway

It looks like the only two novels that would never make anyone's list of King's Worst are The Stand and It... but after all, who knows...

MonteGss
02-12-2008, 10:03 PM
I am against a poll as sai King has written WAY too many for a poll and as R.F. indicated, a list could only have ten. So, I say no. :)

Oh, Insomnia is still on my worst list. :)

Jean
02-12-2008, 10:12 PM
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MonteGss
02-12-2008, 10:13 PM
Easy now Jean. :)
To be fair, Insomnia is not as bad as say, Thinner or The Tommyknockers.

jayson
02-13-2008, 03:55 AM
Easy now Jean. :)
To be fair, Insomnia is not as bad as say, Thinner...

it says "King's worst novel," not "Bachman's Worst Novel". Then the answer is Thinner. :lol:

MonteGss
02-13-2008, 09:15 AM
:P
It's my thread buddy, I do as I please! :shoot: :lol:

Wuducynn
02-13-2008, 09:27 AM
I thought Monte killed Bachman?

John Blaze
02-13-2008, 11:39 AM
i liked thinner more than cell.

jayson
02-13-2008, 11:45 AM
i liked thinner more than cell.

same. i think thinner is the worst of the bachman books, but not the worst of the whole king canon.

John Blaze
02-14-2008, 05:00 AM
agreed

Girlystevedave
02-19-2008, 07:33 PM
Although I should probably try to read it again, I got very bored with Insomnia.

Girlystevedave
02-19-2008, 07:35 PM
I'd also like to nominate The Colorado Kid.

Lord_Vertigo
02-19-2008, 08:49 PM
I wasn't going to respond to this topic, because Stephen King remains my #1 favorite writer. But I just can't keep silent about From A Buick 8, Cell, and Lisey's Story. I just can't finish any of those, and usually I rip through a Stephen King book in about a week and can't catch my breath at the end. With these I'm just asking myself "Huh?"

John Blaze
02-19-2008, 08:54 PM
I agree about cell, have not read Lisey's Story or the CO kid yet.

KO1
02-19-2008, 08:54 PM
I disliked Bag of Bones and Liseys Story.

In fact I couldnt even finish reading either i disliked them both so much

Jean
02-20-2008, 12:09 AM
I disliked Bag of Bones and Liseys Story.

In fact I couldnt even finish reading either i disliked them both so much
I did finish them, but I had to force myself. Haven't still finished Cell.

KO1
02-20-2008, 12:12 AM
A good friend of mine keeps telling me that Cell was actually pretty good, but I think im going to re read the Stand before giving it a shot.

Randall Flagg
02-20-2008, 12:15 AM
To me Cell wasn't a bad read. It's one forgiving grace was it was short.
It was what I call "popcorn". You eat it, seemingly have no good reason to eat more- but you do. A kernel or two gets stuck in your teeth, but once you floss and brush, it is gone.

John Blaze
02-20-2008, 12:16 AM
save your time for better books.

Jean
02-20-2008, 12:50 AM
To me Cell wasn't a bad read. It's one forgiving grace was it was short.
It was what I call "popcorn". You eat it, seemingly have no good reason to eat more- but you do. A kernel or two gets stuck in your teeth, but once you floss and brush, it is gone.
yes! if I had it in normal paper format, I would just lay on my sofa, have a bag of potato chips, and be through with that within two hours. But I positively refuse to kill my small ursine eyes reading it off the screen. The only books I have ever been able to do that for were DT 5, 6, and 7, and, later, HP 7 - and I hope everyone will agree that they are in a very different league than Cell...

John Blaze
02-20-2008, 12:55 AM
i agree.

Woofer
02-20-2008, 05:34 AM
I disliked Bag of Bones and Liseys Story.

In fact I couldnt even finish reading either i disliked them both so much
I did finish them, but I had to force myself. Haven't still finished Cell.

Same here. I am going to read Bag of Bones again and see if I enjoy it better this time, but it will be difficult. I tried to start it the other day, but then a Clive Barker Book of Blood came through the door.

Lisey's Story was all right, but it was nothing special, sort of like a baloney and cheese sandwich when you're used to Philly cheesesteak (TDT or The Stand) from King.

jayson
02-20-2008, 06:52 AM
But I positively refuse to kill my small ursine eyes reading it off the screen. The only books I have ever been able to do that for were DT 5, 6, and 7, and, later, HP 7 - and I hope everyone will agree that they are in a very different league than Cell...

couldn't agree more Jean. i'd have read DT5-7 in any format, even if it was published letter by letter and had to be pieced together. Cell I read in regular book form and hated it.

Jean
02-20-2008, 07:03 AM
i'd have read DT5-7 in any format, even if it was published letter by letter and had to be pieced together.
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Randall Flagg
02-20-2008, 11:22 AM
But I positively refuse to kill my small ursine eyes reading it off the screen.
Truth be told, I read the large print book so I didn't have to wear my reading glasses in the bright sun.:nope:

KO1
02-20-2008, 11:26 AM
Honestly I just dont see how people can read ebooks and the like. To me a novel needs to be read in a traditional form. Being able to relax and read on a couch, bed, bench, ect is one of the great pleasures of reading.

Screens are for news, gossip anything really but that, to me at least

Jean
02-20-2008, 11:27 AM
I share this attitude 100%.

jayson
02-20-2008, 11:31 AM
Honestly I just dont see how people can read ebooks and the like. To me a novel needs to be read in a traditional form. Being able to relax and read on a couch, bed, bench, ect is one of the great pleasures of reading.

Screens are for news, gossip anything really but that, to me at least

same here, i don't/can't do e-books.

fernandito
02-20-2008, 11:35 AM
Honestly I just dont see how people can read ebooks and the like. To me a novel needs to be read in a traditional form. Being able to relax and read on a couch, bed, bench, ect is one of the great pleasures of reading.

Screens are for news, gossip anything really but that, to me at least

same here, i don't/can't do e-books.

(sommersaults [sp?] onto the bandwagon)

jayson
02-20-2008, 11:38 AM
welcome aboard the "physical books only bandwagon" Fev!

Daghain
02-20-2008, 12:27 PM
I agree too. There is nothing like having the book in your hands when you read. The screen is just not as satisfying.

And nothing smells better than the inside of a good used bookshop. :)

Heather19
02-20-2008, 02:44 PM
And nothing smells better than the inside of a good used bookshop. :)

I love little used bookshops. They're the best. You might have to hunt around a bit, but you can usually find good books in them for really cheap.


And I'm going to have to defend both Cell and Bag of Bones.
I thought Cell was a fun quick read. And I love the outright horror in it. It had been quite awhile since King put out an all out horror story.

And Bag of Bones is one of my top King stories. I read it when it first came out, and loved it, and have since been wanting to go back and read it again.

John Blaze
02-20-2008, 02:47 PM
The truth is I feel the same way you guys do, but sometimes can't afford the physical book, and don't have time to go to public libraries. And even when I go it doesn't mean they're gonna have what I want. So sometimes I do read ebooks, even though I dislike reading from the screen (truth to tell I do alot of reading in the bathroom) it's just easier to acquire ebooks sometimes.

And I mean free.

KO1
02-20-2008, 02:54 PM
I got my copy of The Gunslinger at a thrift shop I volunteered at last year. Read it that night and was at Barnes and Noble the next morning to Buy Drawing of the Three.

Sometimes theres ways around paying big bucks for books

John Blaze
02-20-2008, 03:07 PM
I do used bookstores, secondhand shops, and garage sales all the time. BUT I SAID sometimes you can't find what you want.

KO1
02-20-2008, 03:09 PM
Oh absolutly hence why I was at Barnes and Noble the next morning as the addiction had already taken hold

Heather19
02-20-2008, 03:11 PM
I'd say probably about half of my King books I got from tag sales or used bookshops. My aunt also goes to alot of auctions and she'll buy stuff in bulk, and any King book she finds she always passes onto me. I also get a lot of my hardcovers in the discount section of Barnes & Noble, or Borders for about $5. They usually move all their extra stock into that section a year or two after it's been out.

MonteGss
02-20-2008, 03:14 PM
So Heather19, which do you think is King's worst novel? :)

John Blaze
02-20-2008, 03:16 PM
sometimes hastings has used books, which are books people just bought, read once, and sold back.

I got Black House, hardcover for 3.98 at Hastings. near perfect too.

Heather19
02-20-2008, 03:22 PM
So Heather19, which do you think is King's worst novel? :)

Insomnia tops the list. I also didn't care for Lisey's Story, I had to struggle thru that one as well.

Darkthoughts
02-20-2008, 03:24 PM
:cry: Say it ain't so!!

John Blaze
02-20-2008, 03:27 PM
i really need to read Lisey's Story.

Darkthoughts
02-20-2008, 03:29 PM
Yes, you do. But if you don't love it...the wedding is off! :P

John Blaze
02-20-2008, 03:36 PM
I'm sure I'll love it.... for you. :wub:

Darkthoughts
02-20-2008, 03:39 PM
:D

:huglove:

Daghain
02-20-2008, 07:50 PM
Slightly OT, but here are two places to get cheap (or free!) used books:

www.bookcrossing.com

www.edwardhamilton.com

jayson
02-21-2008, 04:18 AM
thanks Dag, i will have to check those out

Cutter
02-29-2008, 08:08 AM
Honestly I just dont see how people can read ebooks and the like. To me a novel needs to be read in a traditional form. Being able to relax and read on a couch, bed, bench, ect is one of the great pleasures of reading.

Screens are for news, gossip anything really but that, to me at least
This is why eBooks have continuously failed so far. Before Amazon’s new reader, I believe Sony was the only one producing a eBook reader, as all the others failed miserably. And I doubt Amazon’s product is doing great as it is too expensive. .mp3s make sense as it is easier to use than a cd, but eBooks are not easier to read than a regular book. That’s why I think books will always be around, at least for our lifetime.

Cutter
02-29-2008, 08:10 AM
I disliked Bag of Bones and Liseys Story.

In fact I couldnt even finish reading either i disliked them both so much

This statement makes a lot of sense since they were the two stories by King that were love stories, or love remembrance stories. They are unlike his other works.

Lance
03-02-2008, 10:19 AM
I think my two least favorite were Christine and The Girl Who Loved Tom Gordon.

Randall Flagg
03-02-2008, 11:33 AM
I really enjoyed Christine. Some don't like the change in narrative, but it didn't bother me.

jayson
03-02-2008, 12:02 PM
I really enjoyed Christine. Some don't like the change in narrative, but it didn't bother me.

me either, christine remains a fav of mine.

John Blaze
03-02-2008, 02:34 PM
Christine and Dolores Claiborne are two books that had a different narrative type, yet I enjoyed both, although they are far from my favorite King novels.

KO1
03-02-2008, 05:10 PM
Interesting story.

I went out this past friday to celebrate my birthday, (just turned 25 on the 28th) and before heading out for the night I stopped by a friends new apartment he just moved into this week. Beutiful place with a balcony overlooking a marina in NJ, absolultly beutiful view. But thats not the important thing as far as this stoy goes.

Right when I got there as my friend opened the door, there was a bookcase directly in front of me. A bookcase of nothing but King hardcovers. I mean I was shocked to see so many in one spot, though I'm quite confident many of you wouldnt be.

Regardless throughout the night we ended up discussing King quite a bit, or should I say for as long as we held onto our sobriety. Anyway, Bag of Bones ended up coming up, and my friend convinced me to give it another shot so i think I'm going to start it again this week. His claim was although paced quite differently than most of Kings novels, it was an excellent piece of work, worth another shot.

Randall Flagg
03-02-2008, 08:04 PM
Just to clarify the narrative of Christine, here is an excerpt for Stephen King; The Art of Darkness:


when King began to write the story, “the same thing happened as with Carrie: the “loser” character began to take over, and the short story became a book. Defying one of Mario Puzo’s rules on how to write a bestselling novel, the opening and closing sections of Christine are written first-personas the narrative of Dennis Guilder, looking backward.
His point of view produces not only King’s most colloquial novel, but also his most humorous. The middle section is written in third person after Dennis is hospitalized with a football injury. Just as Dennis’s broken leg ensures the end of his friendship with Arnie, King’s breaking of narrative, a device particularly common in the early Gothic novel, likely ensures the reader’s alienation from Arnie’s initially sympathetic character.

Darkthoughts
03-04-2008, 02:19 AM
I'll always like Christine as it was my first King book.

Jean
03-24-2008, 01:07 AM
Have finished re-reading The Tommyknockers. And you know what? It is good. Maybe not absolutely great, certainly not in the league with It or The Stand, but really very very good. I always named it King novel I liked the least, and now I realized that it was only because I read it immediately after those two big whales, and before Pet Cematary and 'Salem's Lot; well, The Tommyknockers might not hold a candle to any of them, but comparing to the barren plane of, say, Lisey's Story, The Tommyknockers are the Real King - it abounds in great, vivid characters, side-stories that are themselves big literary achievements, great dialogs, those situations and scenes that make the kaleidoscope of any real King novel (what is real King to me, of course - such judgement are always subjective), those little gems that combine into one big treasure. Thank you big-big, Sai King, I am sorry I underestimated that novel for so long.

My revised list of King's worst:

1. Bag of Bones
2. Lisey's Story
3. The Eyes of the Dragon

MonteGss
03-24-2008, 01:09 AM
Wow Jean, that makes me actually want to read Tommyknockers again. :)
Until then though, it is still on my worst list.

John Blaze
03-24-2008, 02:30 PM
Cell is still the worst. ever.

It's Dean Koontz bad.

Heather19
03-24-2008, 02:40 PM
Jean, I urge you to give Bag of Bones a reread, or have you already and still not enjoyed it?

Ruthful
03-24-2008, 06:32 PM
I'll take your word for it, JB.

Not wanting to bother reading it to confirm your analysis, I'll stick with my original choice.

CUJO

Jean
03-25-2008, 12:00 AM
Cell is still the worst. ever.

It's Dean Koontz bad.

I didn't put Cell on my list because I never got around to finishing it. If I can get a cheap used copy when I'm in England, I'll finally finish and then will be entitled to giving my opinion, too... so far it has been very, very unfavorable.


Jean, I urge you to give Bag of Bones a reread, or have you already and still not enjoyed it?

Alas, I have.... http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k291/mishemplushem/Facilitation/bear_sad.gif

John Blaze
03-25-2008, 06:13 AM
Cell is still the worst. ever.

It's Dean Koontz bad.

I didn't put Cell on my list because I never got around to finishing it. If I can get a cheap used copy when I'm in England, I'll finally finish and then will be entitled to giving my opinion, too... so far it has been very, very unfavorable.

I have a hardcover, first edition i will send to you free of charge if you want it.

I don't

Jean
03-25-2008, 06:29 AM
no, thank you, not a hardcover! I can't bring it from England, I always have my suitcase full of books and presents, so a hardcover would be a real murderer! http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k291/mishemplushem/Facilitation/0134-bear.gif

John Blaze
03-25-2008, 07:25 AM
pm me, and let me know when you're coming to London again.

Brice
03-25-2008, 08:05 AM
Have finished re-reading The Tommyknockers. And you know what? It is good. Maybe not absolutely great, certainly not in the league with It or The Stand, but really very very good. I always named it King novel I liked the least, and now I realized that it was only because I read it immediately after those two big whales, and before Pet Cematary and 'Salem's Lot; well, The Tommyknockers might not hold a candle to any of them, but comparing to the barren plane of, say, Lisey's Story, The Tommyknockers are the Real King - it abounds in great, vivid characters, side-stories that are themselves big literary achievements, great dialogs, those situations and scenes that make the kaleidoscope of any real King novel (what is real King to me, of course - such judgement are always subjective), those little gems that combine into one big treasure. Thank you big-big, Sai King, I am sorry I underestimated that novel for so long.

My revised list of King's worst:

1. Bag of Bones
2. Lisey's Story
3. The Eyes of the Dragon

Someday your list will look like that ^^^ Jean. :D

Heather19
03-25-2008, 01:32 PM
Jean, I urge you to give Bag of Bones a reread, or have you already and still not enjoyed it?

Alas, I have.... http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k291/mishemplushem/Facilitation/bear_sad.gif

:cry: So sad, I was hoping upon another try you'd enjoy it. It's one of my favorite stories.

jemaher
03-25-2008, 02:19 PM
gerald's game is the Nadir of all things king... followed by rose madder

Girlystevedave
03-25-2008, 02:36 PM
Cell is still the worst. ever.

It's Dean Koontz bad.


Cell is one of the few SK books I haven't read yet.....and a lot of the posts on this mb are making me question if I should.:orely:

obscurejude
03-25-2008, 02:55 PM
John doesn't know what he's talking about. :lol: I would suggest specifically considering someone else's opinion, like mine.

Heather19
03-25-2008, 03:05 PM
I agree with obscurejude, I quite enjoyed that book.

John Blaze
03-25-2008, 03:27 PM
John doesn't know what he's talking about. :lol: I would suggest specifically considering someone else's opinion, like mine.

I wouldn't take the advice of a guy who wears horrible pink shirts.><

just saying.

and Heather, well, something's obviously wrong with her brain. :rock:

obscurejude
03-25-2008, 07:21 PM
Feel free to scroll a few pages back and see how voraciously me and JB argued about cell. Its what made us friends.

fernandito
03-25-2008, 07:35 PM
Cell is still the worst. ever.

It's Dean Koontz bad.

Right on brotha'!

Jean
03-25-2008, 11:25 PM
Jean, I urge you to give Bag of Bones a reread, or have you already and still not enjoyed it?

Alas, I have.... http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k291/mishemplushem/Facilitation/bear_sad.gif

:cry: So sad, I was hoping upon another try you'd enjoy it. It's one of my favorite stories.

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1. Bag of Bones
2. Lisey's Story
3. The Eyes of the Dragon

Someday your list will look like that ^^^ Jean. :D

doesn't seem very likely at the moment... you see, those I listed here are exactly opposite to what I recently praised so high about the Tommyknockers, or to what I love so much about how Sai King writes. I'll try to expand on that soon.

alinda
03-26-2008, 05:06 AM
Wow,this is the first time ever that I am in agrement
against "The Librarian". B o B was for me a good read.
I suppose somehow I relate to it on a personal level.
It has so many things in common with my life....
Ghosts, Storms, Creepy old men who try to control
other peoples lives, and fortunes. The sheer hatered
shown to the people of color, the steady beat of the
music they created all reminded me of experiences I've
not only lived thru but in some cases endured, and
triumped over. I am still looking for a love that is
strong enough to survive death, but thats okay.
I also found the "refridgerator people" very interesting,
very interesting indeed. I tell you I cant see those
little magnets , and not think of this story!

John Blaze
03-26-2008, 08:06 AM
the fridge-a-fader?

I can't wait for my daughter to start talking. :D

Vasagi
03-27-2008, 12:36 PM
All this discussion on the atrocities of King, and so little mention of Dreamcatcher. :o

MonteGss
03-27-2008, 02:47 PM
Dreamcatcher wasn't his best but I wouldn't put it on my Worst List.

John Blaze
03-27-2008, 02:49 PM
ditto

jayson
03-27-2008, 03:52 PM
Dreamcatcher wasn't his best but I wouldn't put it on my Worst List.

agreed. and certainly not with books like Cell and Lisey's Story out there.

obscurejude
03-27-2008, 03:57 PM
I liked Cell and Lisey's Story way better than Dreamcatcher. Well, actually I loved the first third of Dreamcatcher, but had a very hard time finishing it. Cell made me think and Lisey's Story made me want to get married.

Heather19
03-27-2008, 04:07 PM
I enjoyed Dreamcatcher. Not my favorite, but far from the worst.

John Blaze
03-27-2008, 05:21 PM
i'll echo that

Daghain
03-28-2008, 08:20 AM
Dreamcatcher....yuck.

fernandito
03-28-2008, 08:32 AM
I enjoyed Dreamcatcher. Not my favorite, but far from the worst.

I haven't read it yet, but I've been meaning to. Does the book expand on the origins of Duddits and Mr. Grey a little more?

obscurejude
03-28-2008, 08:36 AM
Not as much as you might like Feev. Its starts out very strong in terms of characterization, but really wanes through the last two thirds. In my opinion...

John Blaze
03-28-2008, 11:16 AM
IMO, the movie screwed up the origin stuff.

the book is quite good, and classic king. Kind of an "IT" quality to it, with the flashbacks and stuff.

JQ The Gunslinger
03-29-2008, 03:15 PM
As this is my first post, you people will prolly drive me out, but my least favorite novel of SK is The Stand. I didnt get into in it until page 1000, and by then i was bored with it.Yep, I dont like The Stand

MonteGss
03-29-2008, 04:47 PM
You from Illinois JQ?

Welcome to the site! Yeah, the majority opinion here is that The Stand kicks major ass but everyone is entitled to their opinion. :)

After all, Insomnia is towards the top of my worst list and I get shit for it all the time. :D

blackrose22
03-29-2008, 05:26 PM
Don't worry JQ we'll not drive you out but might think you are a bit mad for liking one of SK classics. Welcome to the site JQ and enjoy.:thumbsup:

Heather19
03-29-2008, 06:41 PM
As this is my first post, you people will prolly drive me out, but my least favorite novel of SK is The Stand. I didnt get into in it until page 1000, and by then i was bored with it.Yep, I dont like The Stand

Don't worry, I still have yet to finish that one. I think I made it almost half way thru before I put it down. I liked what I read, but it just wasn't drawing me back. One day I'll go back to it and finish it.

Daghain
03-29-2008, 11:14 PM
As this is my first post, you people will prolly drive me out, but my least favorite novel of SK is The Stand. I didnt get into in it until page 1000, and by then i was bored with it.Yep, I dont like The Stand

First of all, welcome to the site! Feel free to introduce yourself in the Intro (http://www.thedarktower.org/palaver/showthread.php?t=67) thread here. :)

I personally LOVED The Stand. But, to each his own. :)

JQ The Gunslinger
03-30-2008, 07:16 AM
No im from wisconsin Montegss, thx for the welcoming guys

MonteGss
03-30-2008, 07:38 AM
No im from wisconsin Montegss, thx for the welcoming guys

Me too. It was the "prolly" from you previous post that made me think of Illinois. Welcome to the site again! :)

Ikilledthecrimsonking
03-30-2008, 08:27 AM
i started reading geralds game a yesterday i got to page 100 and just couldnt read it anymore

i think its worse than the girl who loved to tom gordon

JQ The Gunslinger
03-30-2008, 08:33 AM
Hail wisconsin ha. Ive never read Geralds game, so whats so bad about it?

Ikilledthecrimsonking
03-30-2008, 08:53 AM
*spoilers*

ok Jessie and her husband Gerald are in a cabin far away from everybody else
and there trying to reinvigorate there sex life, by having Jessie wear handcuffs but they dont have a saftey word and Jessie starts freaking out and kicks him in the testies which makes Gerald have a heart attack and die leeving Jessie handcuffed to the bed alone were she cant contact people or cant reach the keys

JQ The Gunslinger
03-30-2008, 08:59 AM
doesnt sound like a bad story to me, deff. diffrent than other stories.

Jean
03-30-2008, 09:01 AM
since it is the very beginning of the novel, it's ok to retell it here without spoiler tags, but I hope no further exposure will be made

JQ The Gunslinger: Like any other book, it's entirely up to your taste and your life/reading experience whether or not you will enjoy that particular novel. I personally like it.

MonteGss
03-30-2008, 09:01 AM
You really should put your description within spoiler tags. People can still see it the way you have them marked.

Anyway, I liked Gerald's Game because, like GWLTG, it is more of a "mind scare, freaking yourself out" type of book. Not a monster, supernatural sort of horror book. :)

Jean
03-30-2008, 09:03 AM
Monte: you have convinced me. I have added spoiler tags to some part of Ikilledthecrimsonking's post.

MonteGss
03-30-2008, 09:04 AM
:D

Heather19
03-30-2008, 09:08 AM
I agree with Monte. I enjoyed Gerald's Game, and I think it has one of the scariest moments in a King book ever.

Ikilledthecrimsonking
03-30-2008, 09:12 AM
Monte: you have convinced me. I have added spoiler tags to some part of Ikilledthecrimsonking's post.


sorry i dont know how to put spoier tags on my post

Jean
03-30-2008, 09:23 AM
Monte: you have convinced me. I have added spoiler tags to some part of Ikilledthecrimsonking's post.


sorry i dont know how to put spoier tags on my post

if you use "New Reply" button, or quote someone, you will see spoiler tag mark (radioactive) on the panel - the button on the very right. If you use Quick Reply, you can't see it, you'll have to choose "Go Advanced".

if you put them manually, as I saw you do in another thread, don't forget the "end spoiler" back slash, as in my example above (minus the space)

[ spoiler] [/spoiler]

Ikilledthecrimsonking
03-30-2008, 09:28 AM
ok thanks Jean