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Ricky
09-15-2008, 03:47 PM
Not sure if this is the right place to post this topic. If Admin. wants to move it to a more suitable place, that's cool.

Would anyone happen to know if Ned Dameron has a website? I've searched for awhile now and can't seem to find a website or any contact information whatsoever. I really want to write to him, as I love his work with DTIII, but I cannot find any info.

Any help or knowledge is greatly appreciated. :)

Randall Flagg
09-15-2008, 05:02 PM
Ricky, a quick search yielded nothing for me. Some other member will surely help. If nothing else, Nerak works for Donald M. Grant books (https://secure.grantbooks.com/)and might be able to either provide contact info, or assist in forwarding correspondence.
Once the question is better resolved this thread will probably be merged with the another broader Question thread.
Thanks for the question as it is a good one.:)

Nerak
09-15-2008, 05:07 PM
Ned does not have a web site or email.

If you would like to get a letter to him, you can mail one to me at Grant and I can forward onto him. Please make sure you send a stamped self addressed envelope for him to send a reply. Also please send a stamp to me so I can forward your letter to him.

Thanks

Karen

Ricky
09-16-2008, 03:40 PM
Hey! Thanks so much Karen! That makes my day! I absolutely love his work with DTIII illustrations and will be more than excited to know that my letter will get to him. You think he'll actually send a reply, Karen? :) Also, what size envelope should I send for a SASE? Normal business or 8x10?

Thanks Jerome and Karen for all your assistance!

Nerak
09-16-2008, 04:45 PM
Um, depends upon what you are looking for in return.....

Ricky
09-17-2008, 11:36 AM
I'm not expecting anything. You just said to inlcude an SASE, leading me to believe that he would respond. I might have misread.

Ari_Racing
03-15-2009, 07:05 PM
Preliminary Artwork for sale from Ned Dameron

As some here know I've been talking with Ned Dameron for some time for those who might not know him he's the artist that illustrated "The Wastelands", third volume in the Dark Tower saga. He also did one of the illustrations present in the first edition of The Talisman, published by Donald Grant.

Ned sent me a dvd with pictures of the preliminary concepts and illustrations he did when working on The Wastelands. He also just sent me the list of prices since all are for sale, and I'm publishing it here along with all the images. Interested ones please PM me since I can't post Ned's contact info here.


http://www.thedarktower.org/gallery/data/525/medium/0122.jpg
"The Blasted Lands Study", from The Talisman. Grant Edition. Acrylic on 30''x40'' illustration board - painterly sketch (Ned offers to sketch in the train if requested) Foreground group. $350 + S/H


http://www.thedarktower.org/gallery/data/525/medium/0210.jpg
"Waste Lands", oil on acetate, 30x40, the "reflective original" used as illustration in the book. $ 1600 +S/H


http://www.thedarktower.org/gallery/data/525/medium/036.jpg
Close up on the bird-like creature.


http://www.thedarktower.org/gallery/data/525/medium/048.jpg
Preliminary concept on the creatures in The Wastelands. No price/size given.


http://www.thedarktower.org/gallery/data/525/medium/056.jpg
"Waste land study", oil and drawing on black scratch board, mounted, about 18x25. Variations on the heron-like creatures.
$250 + S/H


http://www.thedarktower.org/gallery/data/525/medium/0551.jpg
Oil. Creature from The Wastelands. No price/Size given


http://www.thedarktower.org/gallery/data/525/medium/064.jpg
Preliminary concept for The plaster man. No price/Size given.


http://www.thedarktower.org/gallery/data/525/medium/073.jpg
"Leather Wings Study". Oil Sketch on acetate of pterodactyl and background similar to that in Blaine the Mono scene. A small piece (no exact dimensions given). $250 + S/H.


http://www.thedarktower.org/gallery/data/525/medium/084.jpg
Roland preliminary sketches. No price given.


http://www.thedarktower.org/gallery/data/525/medium/092.jpg
Susan preliminary sketches. No price given.


I'm waiting on Ned's confirmation about the ones that don't have size and/or price. I'll let you know.

So far, I can't take my eyes of the fourth image.

Patrick
03-15-2009, 07:15 PM
Cool. Thanks for sharing this information, Ari.

jhanic
03-16-2009, 03:57 AM
I've always like his pictures, especially of The Blasted Lands.

John

Ricky
03-16-2009, 03:34 PM
Ari, are these originals? Reason that I ask is that I've also kept in contact with Ned as well and he told me a couple months ago that no originals are currently for sale. When did you aquire this information?

Ari_Racing
03-16-2009, 07:32 PM
I thought it was December but no..it was in January.

Cutter
03-17-2009, 05:27 AM
very cool!

turtlex
03-17-2009, 05:31 AM
I love the Roland and Susannah sketches!

Ari_Racing
03-17-2009, 05:45 AM
I'll probably have a news in 10 days about the missing ones and, who knows...maybe another one I didn't post yet :)

I'll keep all of you updated.

wizardsrainbow
03-17-2009, 05:46 AM
I love the Roland and Susannah sketches!

I totally agree!

tippy4
07-01-2009, 07:48 PM
Big Announcement!

Ned Dameron and I are collaborating on a project to produce a limited number of remarques in Grant 1st editions of The Waste Lands.

We are finalizing the details like the number of copies that will be produced, subject matter of the remarques, and how they will be sold.

A few preliminary sketches are in the works, and finished pieces will probably be available in the next month or two.

To give you an idea of the quality of these remarques, I give you, The Tick Tock Man:

http://img528.imageshack.us/img528/6817/picture098t.jpg (http://img528.imageshack.us/i/picture098t.jpg/)

Keep checking this thread for updates!

Ari_Racing
07-01-2009, 08:15 PM
That's a very interesting project! Looking forward to hear more!

Ari_Racing
07-01-2009, 08:19 PM
And the remarque is simply astonishing!

Sam
07-01-2009, 09:30 PM
DUDE!! GREAT remarque. I would love to hear more on this project, especially if you would be accepting mail in copies to receive remarques. :D

Please?

Patrick
07-02-2009, 12:03 AM
Sweet!

Patrick
07-02-2009, 12:12 AM
Whatever came of this? Did anyone here buy any of these?

turtlex
07-02-2009, 12:58 AM
Big Announcement!

Ned Dameron and I are collaborating on a project to produce a limited number of remarques in Grant 1st editions of The Waste Lands.

We are finalizing the details like the number of copies that will be produced, subject matter of the remarques, and how they will be sold.

A few preliminary sketches are in the works, and finished pieces will probably be available in the next month or two.

To give you an idea of the quality of these remarques, I give you, The Tick Tock Man:

http://img528.imageshack.us/img528/6817/picture098t.jpg (http://img528.imageshack.us/i/picture098t.jpg/)

Keep checking this thread for updates!

Woowhoo! Can't wait !

wizardsrainbow
07-02-2009, 01:58 AM
Big Announcement!

Ned Dameron and I are collaborating on a project to produce a limited number of remarques in Grant 1st editions of The Waste Lands.

We are finalizing the details like the number of copies that will be produced, subject matter of the remarques, and how they will be sold.

A few preliminary sketches are in the works, and finished pieces will probably be available in the next month or two.

To give you an idea of the quality of these remarques, I give you, The Tick Tock Man:

http://img528.imageshack.us/img528/6817/picture098t.jpg (http://img528.imageshack.us/i/picture098t.jpg/)

Keep checking this thread for updates!

This is great, but I cannot see the image, even here at home!

turtlex
07-02-2009, 02:31 AM
( david, it's weird, i can see it at work, but not from home.... creepy ) Now that I can see it though... WOW !!!

wizardsrainbow
07-02-2009, 04:06 AM
( david, it's weird, i can see it at work, but not from home.... creepy ) Now that I can see it though... WOW !!!

OK, this is weird, NOW I can see it. Same computer two hours later.

Nerak
07-02-2009, 04:41 AM
Awsome remark!!!! Can't wait to hear more about the project!

turtlex
07-02-2009, 04:58 AM
( david, it's weird, i can see it at work, but not from home.... creepy ) Now that I can see it though... WOW !!!

OK, this is weird, NOW I can see it. Same computer two hours later.

Do do do do do do do do do do .... might be some kind of "imageshack" issue.

e_taylor
07-02-2009, 05:07 AM
Depending on price, I'll certainly scrounge up some cash for one!

jhanic
07-02-2009, 05:15 AM
I can't see it. Darn!

John

carlosdetweiller
07-02-2009, 05:24 AM
That's funny. I could see it earlier but now it's gone.

Ari_Racing
07-02-2009, 05:51 AM
Actually I'm still waiting for Ned's answer. Someone here told me he received my letters and that he was going to reply them asap, but I still haven't heard from him. I contacted him last monday for another thing, so maybe in 10 days I'll hear from him again,

Ricky
07-02-2009, 06:52 AM
What great news! Can't wait to hear more about purchasing information!

I can't see the image though!! :panic:

turtlex
07-02-2009, 07:03 AM
Folks, I'm guessing there's an issue with the photo hosting site. It's there, it's not there, etc. Bummer, too, because it's very cool.

tippy? Maybe you could host it in the gallery here, and then link to there - that way there'd be no issue.

Ricky
07-02-2009, 07:18 AM
Ahh!! I see it now!! :rock:

Randall Flagg
07-02-2009, 07:19 AM
Folks, I'm guessing there's an issue with the photo hosting site. It's there, it's not there, etc. Bummer, too, because it's very cool.

tippy? Maybe you could host it in the gallery here, and then link to there - that way there'd be no issue.
I hosted the picture here in The Gallery.
Tippy, let me know and we can set you up to upload pics in your name.

http://www.thedarktower.org/gallery/data/510/medium/Tick_Tock_Man1.jpg

tippy4
07-02-2009, 07:31 AM
Here is a link to the image for those who cannot see it.

It is the full picture, so those of you who could previously see it still might want to take a look.

http://img26.imageshack.us/img26/3183/picture100a.jpg

turtlex
07-02-2009, 07:34 AM
Thanks, Jerome. I was back to not being able to see it, so couldn't do it myself. :thumbsup:

Ricky
07-02-2009, 07:46 AM
Thanks for the full image tippy, it looks more amazing once you look at it with its size compared to the whole book.

Is that your copy? If so, I am insanely jealous of you! Do you know if the books will already have the remarques, or can one request one? I know you just posted, but I think that's the best news ever.

jhanic
07-02-2009, 08:11 AM
I can see it now too. Wonderful!

John

tippy4
07-02-2009, 08:15 AM
Yes, that is my personal copy.

Yes, the books will already have the remarques.

Patrick
07-02-2009, 10:09 AM
I have had no problem seeing the photo from either my home or work computer, nor any problem using different browsers (IE vs. Firefox). Clearly this is a sign that I should own of these books.

tippy4
07-02-2009, 11:24 AM
Your logic is sound my friend.

:P

Daghain
07-02-2009, 11:25 AM
Wow, that's amazing!

tippy4
07-02-2009, 11:32 AM
To give a tad more information......

All remarques will pertain to The Waste Lands.

You will only see characters and scenes that appear in that specific book.

Each book will be numbered and signed by Ned Dameron.

Trust me, we have some very cool stuff planned.

Ricky
07-02-2009, 01:10 PM
Did I mention that I want one of these? ;)

When do you estimate that the cost will be announced?

herbertwest
07-02-2009, 02:16 PM
there are so many good projects that will see the light of the day before the end of the year!

Nerak
07-02-2009, 02:45 PM
To give a tad more information......

All remarques will pertain to The Waste Lands.

You will only see characters and scenes that appear in that specific book.

Each book will be numbered and signed by Ned Dameron.

Trust me, we have some very cool stuff planned.

Where'd ya ya get all the books??

e_taylor
07-02-2009, 03:13 PM
Wouldn't it be awesome to get all the DT artists to do the same thing for each book? (Remarques, numbered/limited eds, all with the same limitation)... :drool:

Ari_Racing
07-02-2009, 03:31 PM
Sadly I don't see it possible. Berni Wrightson doesn't do remarques anymore and Dave McKean is always covered with other projects and he didn't seem to be much interested in dealing again with Wizard & Glass.

e_taylor
07-02-2009, 03:38 PM
Unfortunately, I have to agree with you Ari.

Although I'm sure the $$ involved may sway them!

Lets assume a limitation of 50 copies each. At a price point of $250 (includes the book).
Even if each book costs $100 to acquire, its still $150 a pop that goes to the artist. Thats $7500 in their pocket! And even though these remarques awe us all, I'm sure with the talent level of these artists it no more than half an hours work.

Could be done at that price point for 1st/AE editions of DTII - DTVII. The Gunslinger would be mucho costly though!

NeedfulKings
07-02-2009, 04:20 PM
I think $250 would be a bit steep, but I would love to know the projected price and print run. I want one!!!!!!!!!!!!! :borg: :D

e_taylor
07-02-2009, 04:41 PM
I think $250 would be a bit steep, but I would love to know the projected price and print run. I want one!!!!!!!!!!!!! :borg: :D

Hard to say. I believe Wiz has said that a Whelan remarque of that size would be about $1000 on the open market.

I don't know if Dameron is as marketable as Whelan, but still.....

Ari_Racing
07-02-2009, 04:42 PM
Even when I love remarques, I wouldn't pay 1000 for one book remarqued.

I wouldn't pay half that price either.

e_taylor
07-02-2009, 04:46 PM
I'd be very tempted at any price, but anything over $500 is out of my range.

If I knew I could put together a set of remarqued DT books, I'd be willing to pay $500 each...but as has been discussed, that isn't likely to happen.

Love the idea of these remarqued DTIIIs, but it'll come down to price for me. Even at the $250 I suggested (which I just pulled out of my ass btw :P) I wouldn't be able to afford it at the moment.

Ari_Racing
07-02-2009, 04:48 PM
Despite the Whelan remarques, the ones we usually see at ebay.com never are sold beyond 200 dls. Rick Berry, Les Edwards...none reached that sum if I'm not wrong.

NeedfulKings
07-02-2009, 05:46 PM
In my opinion, Whelan and Dameron are the best "illustrators" of the 7 books. Michael's still in a bit of a different league.

I know the remarque's are large, but they'll always be in the book--unlike an original print that could be displayed on a wall.

Whatever the price, I will have to consider. And yes--money is tight! :cool:

Ricky
07-03-2009, 06:26 AM
In my opinion, Whelan and Dameron are the best "illustrators" of the 7 books.

:thumbsup:

I'm going take a guess and say that each book will be around $100, as members of TDT.com would most likely be 90% of those purchasing. Combined with the country's economic conditions now, and a couple other variables, I see that price as being about right.

Maybe just wishful thinking though.

e_taylor
07-03-2009, 06:55 AM
See I don't see them being that cheap. You gotta figure even with a great deal, the 1st edition books probably cost $40 a pop. As nice a guy as Ned seems to be, I can't imagine any artist putting that much work into a project for $60/book.

Brice
07-03-2009, 07:05 AM
I've gotta' agree there. I really can't see them being that cheap.

e_taylor
07-03-2009, 07:09 AM
I think the $250 price point is where we'll see this.

For original art in a 1st ed. DT book, thats not exceptionally steep.

And its enough $$ in Mr. Dameron's pocket to make it worth his while.

I guess we shall see! :panic:

Patrick
07-03-2009, 10:46 AM
I think Dameron is an excellent artist, I enjoyed his work in The Waste Lands immensely.

However, given the current economic environment, and given that this artist does not have the same reputation and stature as Michael Whelan (to the best of my knowledge), and assuming that these are monochromatic drawings (vs. multi-color, or vs. paintings), I think about $100 for the drawing plus the cost of the book and small overhead would be reasonable. Therefore I'd say approx. $150 plus S&H would be about right. Add a pop for general collectors' addiction (depending on quantity, i.e. scarcity) and $200 wouldn't surprise me.

Rahfa
07-03-2009, 11:02 AM
$150 to $200 sounds about right to me, too...though I'm not an art collector. But, they are first edition copies, and those are worth something right there.

I think the question is limitation...if there are 20-40 of them, then $250+ might work...anymore than, say 75, and it's going to saturate what I think is a niche market.

I think it's a great item, and a good thing for an artist to get involved in...it's not my thing, personally, but it's always fun for their to be an opportunity for a new kind of s/l edition.

tippy4
07-03-2009, 01:16 PM
I think the question is limitation...if there are 20-40 of them..............

I can tell you that it will be less than 40.

Most likely less than 30.

Randall Flagg
07-03-2009, 04:08 PM
I thing think we are all building the hype for this. tippy4 announced it, perhaps we should wait for him to price the books.
I have some strong feelings about this, but will refrain at this time from voicing them.

Ricky
07-03-2009, 04:11 PM
See I don't see them being that cheap. You gotta figure even with a great deal, the 1st edition books probably cost $40 a pop.

Ah, I didn't include the price of the 1st edition book. With that included, I'd say you have a nice estimate.


the 1st edition books probably cost $40 a pop.

Now that is wishful thinking. :)

I got mine for $55 still in the shrinkwrap, but I got lucky there. I've seen fine shrinkwrap copies like mine all the way up in the hundred dollar range.

Rahfa
07-07-2009, 03:04 PM
Bump...any new info on these Ned Dameron remarques?

wizardsrainbow
07-08-2009, 06:54 AM
I so second that bump. I have been drooling at the idea of these since I heard they were in the works.

e_taylor
07-08-2009, 07:05 AM
I so second that bump. I have been drooling at the idea of these since I heard they were in the works.

haha Why do I imagine you ending up with 25 out of a 30 copy edition of these! :P

wizardsrainbow
07-08-2009, 07:08 AM
I so second that bump. I have been drooling at the idea of these since I heard they were in the works.

haha Why do I imagine you ending up with 25 out of a 30 copy edition of these! :P

>< I am predictable when it comes to remarques. :)

tippy4
07-08-2009, 01:42 PM
Since you guys asked......

I spoke to Ned on Monday.

He had just dropped some preliminary sketches in the mail for me to look at. I am hoping that they arrive either today or tomorrow.

Regarding the limitation....while this is not 100% set in stone, I have suggested that the number of remarques be limited to 21, and Ned seems to be agreeable with that number.

As mentioned previously, each remarque will be hand-numbered by Ned. I am thinking in the style of 1/21, 2/21, 3/21..........21/21. Ned suggested Roman Numerals, so that would look like I/XXI, II/XXI, III/XXI..........XXI/XXI.

e_taylor
07-08-2009, 01:47 PM
Any reason for 21 being the number? If you're going that low, why not 19??

tippy4
07-08-2009, 01:55 PM
To be honest, 21 has no significance.

It was just a random low number that I picked.

I did not go with 19 because it has no significance to The Waste Lands.

Ricky
07-08-2009, 03:25 PM
I am predictable when it comes to remarques. :)

Back off Wiz, just let me get one then you can have the rest. :P

Rahfa
07-08-2009, 04:45 PM
Roman Numerals are the way to go...just for something different...

At a 21 limitation...I might - might - be interested...haha...

tippy4
07-08-2009, 05:14 PM
Roman Numerals it is then....just for you Rahfa.

:P

Randall Flagg
07-08-2009, 05:19 PM
If you choose Roman numerals, purely for aesthetics the limitation should be either 20 or 30 so the numbers would be ?/XX, or?/XXX

tippy4
07-08-2009, 06:17 PM
I dunno...I don't think that ?/XX has any more aesthetic charm than ?/XXI.

NeedfulKings
07-08-2009, 06:31 PM
With only 21, will there be a lottery??? :thumbsup:

Patrick
07-08-2009, 09:18 PM
If I had a vote, I'd say go for thirty. "XXX" is more aesthetically pleasing, more collectors will get a shot at owning one, and the quantity is still small enough to know that they are special. Also, that would be nine more books worth of sales revenue in the artist's pocket while still keeping the project manageable.

Bill brings up a good question about how these will be distributed if demand outweighs supply.

tippy4
07-09-2009, 06:10 PM
I just received ten preliminary sketches from Ned Dameron!

The sketches are of:

The Gunslinger (2)
The Albino Twins
Richard Fannin
A Stork Monster
Eddie & Susannah
A Pteradactyl Monster
Shardik's Helper Robots
Oy
A Manta Monster

I know you guys will want me to post pictures, but these are rough drawings and I would rather wait until the finished products begin to arrive.

I called Ned to let him know I had received the drawings, and he let me know that TWO of the finished books are on their way to me now! One with The Gunslinger and one with Oy.

To make these remarques special, Ned will be adding water-color accents to many...if not all of them. He included this small sample.....

http://img193.imageshack.us/img193/7428/picture126a.jpg (http://img193.imageshack.us/i/picture126a.jpg/)

I think the preliminary drawings are fantastic by themselves, but Ned tells me the finished products will be much more refined.

Stay Tuned!

Oh...and they will be numbered with just the number of the book, as in I, II, III....not I/XXI, II/XXI, III/XXI.

Fsmdr
07-09-2009, 07:06 PM
Tippy,

We are very excited about it!. I hope you will give us here at Dt.com first crack at those books. :excited:

Patrick
07-09-2009, 07:59 PM
Rick, that sketch with watercolor accents there is great. Compliments to Ned Dameron.

tippy4
07-09-2009, 08:39 PM
OK, I will post a couple of close-up teasers......

Here is the walking-box robot (one of Shardik's helper-robots) with a little bit of the mechanical rat below it. (The full drawing has the box, rat and snake)

http://img188.imageshack.us/img188/9104/picture127evf.jpg (http://img188.imageshack.us/i/picture127evf.jpg/)

tippy4
07-09-2009, 08:50 PM
Susannah in her chair.

http://img403.imageshack.us/img403/814/picture128b.jpg (http://img403.imageshack.us/i/picture128b.jpg/)

tippy4
07-09-2009, 08:53 PM
A stork-creature.

http://img208.imageshack.us/img208/9969/picture129s.jpg (http://img208.imageshack.us/i/picture129s.jpg/)

Patrick
07-09-2009, 08:57 PM
These are going to be cool. :thumbsup:

NeedfulKings
07-10-2009, 05:02 AM
Wow!!! Those babies are sweeet!!! :thumbsup:

turtlex
07-10-2009, 07:17 AM
tippy, you're a tease !!!

I love the added color ! Very cool !!!

wizardsrainbow
07-10-2009, 09:45 AM
Man oooooooooooo Man :drool:

cody44
07-10-2009, 01:53 PM
Those are very awesome! I especially love the Roland and Susannah remarques. :scared:

Fsmdr
07-10-2009, 03:36 PM
So Tippy,

When and where can we buy from you?. :excited::drool:

Rahfa
07-10-2009, 04:28 PM
What you should do is post each remarque and let the market bear which one goes for the best price...so the best/most elaborate will go for the most...

Plus, it's sharks in the water, so the frenzy will be fun to see...

Fsmdr
07-10-2009, 05:44 PM
What you should do is post each remarque and let the market bear which one goes for the best price...so the best/most elaborate will go for the most...

Plus, it's sharks in the water, so the frenzy will be fun to see...

I disagree. I say keep the prices the same for all remarque. The best sellers will be sold first and procrastinators will be left with the rest. Plus all of the remarque for sale should have some similarity in detail and consistency in it's intricacy.

Rahfa
07-10-2009, 06:27 PM
Blood in the water...shark in the water....our shark...

wizardsrainbow
07-10-2009, 07:16 PM
swims cautiously around......

Patrick
07-10-2009, 09:49 PM
:lol:

tippy4
07-10-2009, 10:12 PM
Blood in the water...shark in the water....our shark...

We're gonna need a bigger boat.

Patrick
07-10-2009, 10:13 PM
Blood in the water...shark in the water....our shark...

We're gonna need a bigger boat.

http://www.wildbluffmedia.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/02/scheider_jaws_chief_brody.jpg

shnnrc01
07-10-2009, 11:34 PM
ha ha i love that part.classic.

NeedfulKings
07-11-2009, 12:57 AM
:lol: Smoking kills. :shoot:

tippy4
07-14-2009, 03:26 PM
The first remarqued copy of The Waste Lands has arrived!

I give you Oy!

http://img505.imageshack.us/img505/5859/picture134d.jpg (http://img505.imageshack.us/i/picture134d.jpg/)

Several of you have been asking what the price on these will be, and how will they be sold.

Ned and I have decided to auction them via ebay. All will start with the same opening bid, and there will not be a BUY IT NOW option.

I will be starting the first auction today at 5:00 PM PST.

turtlex
07-14-2009, 03:27 PM
tippy, that's very cool.

Will you be listing the ebay auctions here, so we can find them easier... or at least enabling your ebay link via your control panel?

tippy4
07-14-2009, 03:47 PM
Dameron Remarque Auction (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=290331174196)

The link should work at 5:00 PM PST

turtlex
07-14-2009, 03:48 PM
Dameron Remarque Auction (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=290331174196)

tippy... sorry, it's not working.

This listing (290331174196) has been removed, or this item is not available.
Please check that you've entered the correct item number
Listings that have ended 90 or more days ago will not be available for viewing.

tippy4
07-14-2009, 04:04 PM
That's because it was not 5:00 o'clock yet when you checked.

Check it now....it should work.

turtlex
07-14-2009, 04:09 PM
Woowhoo. Workin' now!

jhanic
07-14-2009, 05:03 PM
This is not a reflection on the price but on my personal situation, but too rich for me! Best of luck to all bidders!

John

e_taylor
07-14-2009, 05:30 PM
My prediction: this one ends up with oy-the-brave!

Randall Flagg
07-14-2009, 05:51 PM
Oh...and they will be numbered with just the number of the book, as in I, II, III....not I/XXI, II/XXI, III/XXI.

Does that mean there will be no limitation, just numbered sequentially based upon demand?

Rahfa
07-14-2009, 05:57 PM
The auction says "will not exceed 21" copies...but it's not clear whether that limitation is noted anywhere in the book...doesn't look like it.

I'm impressed to see the color artwork...considering how excited everyone was for Whelan's b/w sketches, I think Dameron has raised the bar quite a bit - if the next few sketches can build on the quality of this first one I would say they might eventually be the definitive DT art collectible...

Not really my thing, but a pretty good addition to the whole artwork-niche collecting...glad to see an artist like Dameron finally competing with Wrightson and Whelan for some collectible money.

tippy4
07-14-2009, 06:10 PM
Rahfa is correct....there will not be more than 21 produced.

The limitation will not be noted in the book as Ned thought I/XXI looked odd to him.

You will note that Oy is #II.

#I will be available in a couple weeks, and it is of The Gunslinger.

NeedfulKings
07-14-2009, 07:19 PM
Sorry. That price is way too steep for this chap. :ninja:

It's beautiful work!

Edit to add: Tip, you may want to show the signature and limitation #. Just a thought.

Patrick
07-14-2009, 07:29 PM
That is truly a beautiful piece of art - the kind that makes you wish it were on a medium that you could frame rather than have to keep hidden away in a book. In my opinion, a frame-able piece would make the price more justifiable.

The minimum of this auction is priced out of my range for a book remarque, no matter how lovely. As the Gunslinger is even more popular than Oy, I expect that that auction will be set even higher. Therefore I expect to sit out that auction as well.

Fantastic work, Ned Dameron! Good luck to any bidders!

Patrick
07-14-2009, 07:32 PM
... Edit to add: Tip, you may want to show the signature and limitation #. Just a thought.
Bill, those are there. They are shown in some of the other photos in the listing.

Rahfa
07-14-2009, 07:37 PM
Apparently, the $500 is the starting bid for all of them, and then the market will dictate which are the most popular.

I think it should come with some specific provenance and limitation from Dameron's office, something more than an ebay auction listing saying there won't be more than 21...at that price, it has to be set up as an investment of some sort, so long-term credibility is important to establish and maintain...at least it would be to me.

NeedfulKings
07-14-2009, 07:38 PM
Ooop. I see them! eBay keeps changing my look! Thanks! :thumbsup:

NeedfulKings
07-14-2009, 07:43 PM
Apparently, the $500 is the starting bid for all of them, and then the market will dictate which are the most popular.

I think it should come with some specific provenance and limitation from Dameron's office, something more than an ebay auction listing saying there won't be more than 21...at that price, it has to be set up as an investment of some sort, so long-term credibility is important to establish and maintain...at least it would be to me.

I think "corporate knowledge" will keep these 21 sacred. Aside from the collectors here, others around the world will set anyone straight who tries to pawn off something else as a "limited" work.

That said, from a marketing standpoint, the cost for said provenance would likely pay off.

tippy4
07-14-2009, 07:52 PM
Apparently, the $500 is the starting bid for all of them, and then the market will dictate which are the most popular.

Correct again Rahfa...all will have a starting bid of $500.


I think it should come with some specific provenance and limitation from Dameron's office, something more than an ebay auction listing saying there won't be more than 21...at that price, it has to be set up as an investment of some sort, so long-term credibility is important to establish and maintain...at least it would be to me.

I like your idea. I will discuss with ND during our next conversation.

Mr. Rabbit Trick
07-15-2009, 04:00 AM
Dameron Remarque Auction (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=290331174196)

The link should work at 5:00 PM PST

Ships to USA only?

tippy4
07-15-2009, 05:57 AM
I can ship internationally as long as the bidder checks with me first and covers the actual cost.

Patrick
07-15-2009, 04:02 PM
Hi everyone,

I have renamed this Ned Dameron-related thread to something generic about Dameron (same concept as the Michael Whelan thread), and then moved all the many posts related to tippy's joint project with Dameron into this thread. There will continue to be a ton of posts on these auctions as they appear, so moving them here provides a more focused thread for this interesting topic discussion. Of course all things Dameron are still encouraged to be discussed here, such as The Waste Lands preliminary art sales, etc. The move will also help free up the main Remarque thread a bit so that all the 'one-off' remarques and doodles don't get lost in the buzz about Dameron's project.

The bottomline is that this is the thread to check going forward on the Dameron remarque project. If you've subscribed to the other thread, you might want to subscribe to this one as well.

Thanks, everyone.
- Patrick

oy-the-brave
07-15-2009, 05:30 PM
My prediction: this one ends up with oy-the-brave!

I doubt I will own it, I am afraid the price is a bit too high for me, maybe at the starting bid price but I will not be in a bidding war for any of these.

BTW didn't Michael Whelan only charge 250.00 for the remarques in DT7?

Rahfa
07-15-2009, 05:56 PM
Yeah, I think so - and then they resold for $1000, so I doubt he'd make that mistake again...

oy-the-brave
07-15-2009, 06:13 PM
I think it's a different market now, I won't be spending 1,000.00 on a remarque and my guess is Wiz won't so I am not sure what they would go for now.

Patrick
07-15-2009, 08:17 PM
The collectors who have posted upthread that they won't bid:
Rahfa
JohnH
NeedfulKings
Oy-the-Brave
myself


I have questions for those of you that more knowledgeable about the book art and artists markets. Are Dameron and Whelan on par in terms of reputation in the larger marketplace (i.e. outside the world of the rabid DT fans)? Is one a materially better known name than the other at this point in time? I always thought Whelan was "bigger" but I don't actually know. What are your opinions?

A side question for Rick:

Will the winners of each of these auctions also receive the preliminary sketches (like those you posted earlier) as relevant to each final remarque? That would be a great way to sweeten the pot.

Mr. Rabbit Trick
07-16-2009, 12:18 AM
I don't think there is much of a market for these at the price being asked. Any buyers would most likely come from this site.

I can only think of one person who would be interested, and I'm not sure he would be in the market for a full set.

turtlex
07-16-2009, 12:19 AM
In my opinion, and with all due respect to Mr. Dameron, I believe Michael Whelan is a much more "known" name. Besides just the prints and artwork, he's even got those Franklin Mint dragons, trading cards, etc.

carlosdetweiller
07-16-2009, 03:49 AM
I think the first one is priced too high and I don't think I will be bidding on the first of the auctions either. The marketplace will decide. I don't blame them for starting high though. You never know.

e_taylor
07-16-2009, 03:51 AM
I think in order of being "known" the DT artists would rank:

Whelan/Hale (both big names in art outside the Dark Tower and even the genre)
Wrightson/McKean (both huge names in the comic world)
Dameron
Anderson

Dr. Dawg
07-16-2009, 04:52 AM
I think the first one is priced too high and I don't think I will be bidding on the first of the auctions either. The marketplace will decide. I don't blame them for starting high though. You never know.

I agree, I would love one of these but will have to pass at that price.

NeedfulKings
07-16-2009, 04:58 AM
I don't blame them for starting high though. You never know.

That's a very good point.

Ari_Racing
07-16-2009, 05:16 AM
Even when I love the remarques and I think that the Oy one is one of the best I saw, it's impossible for me to bid $500. But as Bob mentioned you never know. I guess that the auctions will end up showing the real price of these (if they sell for 500 or more, of course).

Tippy, I have a question:

What happens if the books don't have any bids? Will they be relisted with a lower starting price?

Randall Flagg
07-16-2009, 06:11 AM
The collectors who have posted upthread that they won't bid:
Rahfa
JohnH
NeedfulKings
Oy-the-Brave
myself


I really liked the Tick Tock man, and told Rick so, but there is only one, and it is his.
I never cared for Dameron's depiction of Roland as "Chuck Conners", nor the chrome handgun look. I think the only other piece of his I liked was Roland receiving the cross from the old lady-and Roland's face is not seen.
Never say never, but right now-at these beginning prices, I am not buying, so add me to the list.

Mr. Rabbit Trick
07-16-2009, 07:30 AM
I don't collect illustrator's work, so I am not interested either.

Rahfa
07-16-2009, 08:30 AM
Well...I won't bid today, this minute...but never say never...I dunno...this is an impulse buy - if one of those 21 pieces really 'speaks' to me as a collector then I'll want it in my collection. Right now, we've only seen Oy...there's nothing to compare it to.

From the business perspective - if this were me? I would never lower the price...in fact, I would make it pretty clear that after every 3 or 4 sales, the price will go up. That's common practice among most artisits/photographers, that when an edition 'sells through' the price goes up so the people at the ground floor get the best price.

All art starts at a bottom dollar - but there's too much uniqueness and quality in these for the starting price to be much lower than $500. It's not baby's milk - it ain't gonna spoil!

I got no dog in this hunt...but for something like this I'm trying to take a long view. No, I wouldn't bid today or this month...but six months from now? If I see one I like? Definitley think about it...

Ari_Racing
07-16-2009, 10:50 AM
I' having the same thought. The fact is that if I wouldn't be saving for my US trip I'd probably bid on one. As I said before, the Oy remarque is one of the best I've ever seen, and I'm positive all will have the same quality. Just imagine one of the haunted house with jake inside. Man...:excited: can't even write what I think!

turtlex
07-16-2009, 01:33 PM
Honestly... I would love one... but now what keeps coming up in my head is that for $200, I'll be able to get a Sai King autographed collector's edition Under The Dome.

:shrugs: I just can't afford $500, not at all, not right now, especially with the autographed UTD in the pipe.

Patrick
07-16-2009, 01:37 PM
...Never say never...

...never say never...I dunno...this is an impulse buy - if one of those 21 pieces really 'speaks' to me as a collector then I'll want it in my collection...
Understood. I'm sure that goes for a number of us. I was just summarizing a list of collectors who have stated that they do not plan to bid at this point. Some are bound to change their minds along the line somewhere.


...From the business perspective - if this were me? I would never lower the price...in fact, I would make it pretty clear that after every 3 or 4 sales, the price will go up. That's common practice among most artisits/photographers, that when an edition 'sells through' the price goes up so the people at the ground floor get the best price...
Good points, however there is no set price, so shouldn't the auction structure take care of whether later releases sell for more than earlier ones - based on quantity remaining and/or attributes of a particular remarque?

Rahfa
07-16-2009, 05:42 PM
Yeah...but you still need a bottom dollar price to start....I'm assuming the artist is expecting a certain profit for his time and trouble and will wait years if he has to...

Patrick
07-17-2009, 01:31 PM
Yeah...but you still need a bottom dollar price to start....I'm assuming the artist is expecting a certain profit for his time and trouble and will wait years if he has to...
I agree, and I assume the $500 starting price covers that. I was addressing your comment about raising the starting price for later books as they are released.

Ricky
07-18-2009, 04:20 PM
Man, this is really disappointing. As a huge fan of Ned, I'd love to buy one (and was looking forward to it) but $500 is a bit excessive in my opinion. My heart dropped once I read the asking price.

I can't be certain of course, but I am betting that at a starting price of such a gargantuan amount, a great majority of them will not sell.

Add me to the list of those who won't be buying. This stinks :(

Sir_Boomme
07-18-2009, 05:29 PM
ok... i'm a ned dameron fan... but a couple of points.

years ago, i bought an original full size dameron painting actually used in the book - some of you will recognize it below.
being a full size painting that took up two pages of the novel - i figure it would be worth a LOT more than an after market remarque.
i paid around 1300.00 dollars for it years ago.
considering that... perhaps the 500.00 is a bit high for a starting price of the remarques.... (but not if they all sell at that price)

my main thing is... i don't want to pay that much for a remarque - when there might be one of the other remarques that i like much better later on.

say i buy the one now... then # 18 comes out and i really love it... and would pay 1000.00 for it.... but can't because i already invested 500.00 in one that i only so so liked.

i'd much rather have samples of all the remarques... and save my bidding for the one i really like best. if these are piece-mealed overtime - it might sale the less popular ones to customers for a bit more - but the best work might sale for less since relative few collectors of these have already spent their weekly/monthly/yearly allowances on something earlier.

i'd suggest if bids don't come in - dropping the starting price a tad... and either list them all or at least show a sampling of the remaining pieces.

that way people who couldn't afford the higher end would bid on the less popular ones, and the best pieces would have higher end bidders bidding higher for them since they hadn't already spent their money on pieces they might not have wanted.

just my thoughts...

the piece i own...ned dameron's : my dearie-
http://img140.imageshack.us/img140/879/kingart2.jpg

Ricky
07-18-2009, 05:37 PM
I completely agree with everything you said. It's exactly what I wanted to say but didn't know how to word it. It's really unfortunate that the asking price is so high, especially because it seems that it's only going to go up from here.

Like you said, for only $800 more one could get an original painting (flashback to publication of DTIII).

BTW, I love that original painting you bought. You have the prelim. sketch(s) as well, yes? :)

Patrick
07-18-2009, 06:27 PM
You bring up some interesting points regarding timing, order of release, and budget limitations, Terry. Food for thought. Thanks.

Rahfa
07-18-2009, 07:30 PM
I think these remarques are one of those things that need to float around for awhile and be in collector's thoughts for awhile...obviously, Jared isn't selling every copy of his book if he's here pushing it...so I wouldn't rush to lower the price, because that only takes into account today - but it depends if the short term is most important, or if the seller is taking a long view.

Patrick
07-18-2009, 11:22 PM
Sellers take the short view. I hope that collectors all take the long view.

wizardsrainbow
07-20-2009, 06:27 AM
Well, I won't be the one to try to own the whole collection, being without a job and all. That said, I do plan to own a couple (will be selling books to fund the purchase).

Yes, Michael's black and white sketches sold for $250 initially and resaled for multiples more later on. Terry, for $1300, that painting was a steal, IMO, and is worth much more than that today, even with the economy as it is. I have discussed remarques with Michael and Audrey EXTENSIVELY over the past few years. A remarque from Michael TODAY will cost you $300 minimum for the kind Karen got in LSOE or the one Michael donated to the Haven Foundation Giveaway. A somewhat more detailed sketch he will charge $500 minimum. For the painted ones he did for LSOE, those he would charge $1000...at least those are the prices I most recently got from Audrey. The market/prices do drift though.

So, re: Ned's work, I am pleased with the detail and coloring (a sample of 1) but $500 appears a tad high. I suspect that several may go unsold, just my gut feeling. Still, with more than 30 remarques in my collection, I will be considering each one.

I wholeheartedly agree that it would be a BIG help if we were to see several of them so that we could position ourselves to which we truely want to go after. I like the Oy, but don't want to overextend at the beginning of these sales only to kick myself later when a "special" one comes along. What do you think Rick? Can we get a preview of several, if not all?

Ari_Racing
07-20-2009, 07:38 AM
I received a letter from Ned last weekend and he mentioned the remarques he was working on. I don't know the exact status TODAY, but he mentioned in the letter he finished the 2nd one, which means that the remarques are not all ready yet (which is logical). Of course, Tippy can enlight us with this. :)

Rahfa
07-20-2009, 02:19 PM
I agree with Wiz's philosophy on this thing....once I see a few I can make a real decision...right now all it is, is "maybe I'll buy," but I really have no idea.

Some (probably most) will certainly go unsold in the first 'surge' anyway...I think the whole concept of basically creating a limited edition means there's going to be a ramp-up pahse where would-be customers have to give it some thought.

Right now, this is just ONE nice sketch in a first edition book with some vague provenance...with patience and a couple sales, in a couple years THEN it's a true limited edition that collectors want/need in their complete collections...it's not going to happen overnight.

I think the price is more or less fine, though...expensive, yeah, and maybe a little high, but I mean, it's unique fine art from an artist that certainly isn't overexposed...once there's an actual group of 21 to choose from, it will seem a lot more legit.

Sorry Wiz - when I read "being without a job, and all" I couldn't help laughing out loud...totally with you, not at you!

tippy4
07-20-2009, 06:08 PM
Hi all.

Ari, you are correct that only a couple have been completed.

Ned has several projects he is working on and has to divide his time between them.

If I had to guess the pace at which they will be produced, I would say 2-3 per month.

I know that a few of you have mentioned that wish you could look at all of them, so that you could decide which of them you should bid on, but that is just not the way the project is happening.

If you recall, back when Michael Whelan sold remarqued DT7s, you bought them sight unseen. Maybe you liked what you got, maybe you didn't...it was a crap shoot.

Here is a preliminary drawing of one that will be produced in the near future....... (imagine the creature opposite the title page and the little squid-lizard on the title page)

http://img166.imageshack.us/img166/4668/picture142.jpg (http://img166.imageshack.us/i/picture142.jpg/)

Ari_Racing
07-20-2009, 07:23 PM
Well...now I love this one! :)

Man...I seriously doubt the winners won't like what they get!

Patrick
07-20-2009, 09:30 PM
Imagine that one finalized with some paint and everything. It is going to be cool! I like the concept of having the artwork across two pages.

Two questions:

How will having two remarqued pages opposite of each other affect the artwork over time when the book is closed almost all the time? Any effect?

Also, Rick, is that going to be #3 of 21?

Rahfa
07-21-2009, 04:39 AM
I think when there's 5-6 like that to start choosing from, that's when you'll start seeing some action!

Randall Flagg
07-21-2009, 05:23 AM
I can't vouch for the claims in the ads, but four pieces of "original" Dameron art are for sale with BIN @$50 or less. Granted they are not Tower related.

Ebay (http://shop.ebay.com/?_from=R40&_trksid=p3907.m38.l1313&_nkw=ned+dameron&_sacat=See-All-Categories)

tippy4
07-21-2009, 08:23 AM
Imagine that one finalized with some paint and everything. It is going to be cool! I like the concept of having the artwork across two pages.

Two questions:

How will having two remarqued pages opposite of each other affect the artwork over time when the book is closed almost all the time? Any effect?

Also, Rick, is that going to be #3 of 21?

I don't know what number it will be, but I think it will be either #III, #IV, or #V.

There should be a several that stretch across two pages.....in fact, the next one (which is numbered "I") will do just that.

Gunkslinger
07-21-2009, 09:44 AM
I for one will not bid on this or any other auction.

I have one opinion regarding the remarques for sale.

It just cheapens the artist's original art.

Just like increasing the limitation on a limited run.

Just my opinion.

Mike

Ari_Racing
07-21-2009, 10:29 AM
Hey Mike. :) Nice to see you around again!

Rahfa
07-21-2009, 10:30 AM
Hmmm...I get your overall point, but since there isn't any original art in the book itself, I guess I don't see the conflict...isn't this actually adding original art, where there wasn't any before?

e_taylor
07-21-2009, 11:49 AM
Hmmm...I get your overall point, but since there isn't any original art in the book itself, I guess I don't see the conflict...isn't this actually adding original art, where there wasn't any before?

I think thats the point.

If you can only get an original piece of Dameron by buying one of his paintings, then they will command huge prices. If you can get an original piece from a $500 book (a pittance in comparison), then it may take a few folks out of the running for original paintings, potentially hurting their value.

Room 217 Caretaker
07-21-2009, 12:02 PM
Hmmm...I get your overall point, but since there isn't any original art in the book itself, I guess I don't see the conflict...isn't this actually adding original art, where there wasn't any before?

I think thats the point.

If you can only get an original piece of Dameron by buying one of his paintings, then they will command huge prices. If you can get an original piece from a $500 book (a pittance in comparison), then it may take a few folks out of the running for original paintings, potentially hurting their value.

JMO:

The artist is sharing an original piece with the people that normally can't afford a $9,000 canvas piece. Putting OY in a book or on a canvas.....it's still an original piece in my mind.

Mulleins
Cumberland VA

e_taylor
07-21-2009, 12:08 PM
I'm not saying that I agree with the appraisal, I was just clarifying what I think Mike was saying.

From my stand point, the more affordable the better.

jhanic
07-21-2009, 12:12 PM
I don't think I agree with Mike's opinion that doing the remarques can end up cheapening the artist's original art. Michaelangelo's sketches are often available for a relatively low price, but that fact doesn't affect his original paintings. I'm not comparing Ned Dameron with him, but the analogy still holds.

John

Patrick
07-21-2009, 03:32 PM
Good to see you posting, Mike.

I disagree with your analogy.

Increasing a limitation run means producing a greater number of the exact same product.

Personally I do not put a drawing (with paints or otherwise) on a title page (or even its facing page) of a book on anywhere near the same level as I hold artwork on a proper canvas.

tippy4
07-21-2009, 04:24 PM
Hi all....

Here is a preview of the next one that will go up for sale.....

http://img268.imageshack.us/img268/9373/picture139h.jpg (http://img268.imageshack.us/i/picture139h.jpg/)

wizardsrainbow
07-21-2009, 04:55 PM
The Oy remarque is mine, hooray! I am somewhat surprised that I was the only bidder. So, either EVERYONE else believes the $500 price is too high or they did not think Oy was worth $500 (but believe that the next auction, The Gunslinger...see above...is worth it so they passed on Oy), or they are keeping their powder dry for something more detailed.

At any rate, I had a snipe in for over $500. Part of me feels like I owe Ned something because of the Roland/Aunt Talitha sketch he did for me (out of the kindness of his own heart, thank you very much Ned). Part of me is just a sucker for remarques, sorry they call to me, and I am one of those willing to pay for them. I have a feeling that I will be needing tyo sell more books than I thought because I kinda like that Gunslinger sketch too. :panic:

Room 217 Caretaker
07-21-2009, 05:07 PM
The Oy remarque is mine, hooray! I am somewhat surprised that I was the only bidder. So, either EVERYONE else believes the $500 price is too high or they did not think Oy was worth $500 (but believe that the next auction, The Gunslinger...see above...is worth it so they passed on Oy), or they are keeping their powder dry for something more detailed.

At any rate, I had a snipe in for over $500. Part of me feels like I owe Ned something because of the Roland/Aunt Talitha sketch he did for me (out of the kindness of his own heart, thank you very much Ned). Part of me is just a sucker for remarques, sorry they call to me, and I am one of those willing to pay for them. I have a feeling that I will be needing tyo sell more books than I thought because I kinda like that Gunslinger sketch too. :panic:

Congratulations. It's going to a wonderful home.

Mulleins
Cumberland VA

jhanic
07-21-2009, 05:39 PM
Congratulations, David! A worthy home for it indeed.

John

Randall Flagg
07-21-2009, 06:26 PM
Mike (gunkslinger), IMHO, an original piece of art is just that. Ned Dameron is not copying pieces from the book, he is creating new art! I may not want to buy it, but I can appreciate the effort.
Can you imagine what a drawing-in a book, on a napkin etc; from any now passed famous artist is worth or will command?
I completely agree with your decision to not buy any/all ND remarques,-your choice, but to disparage the original artwork is a bit strong.
Still glad to see you here.:rock:

NeedfulKings
07-21-2009, 06:57 PM
Congrats, Wiz!!!

And dude...I hope you find work soon. I'll send some good vibes along.

Fsmdr
07-21-2009, 07:12 PM
Congrats, David!. I am glad it was you who got it. I think we need a gallery just to showcase David's remarque collection. It deserves one, aside from your main collection.

wizardsrainbow
07-22-2009, 02:05 AM
Congrats, David!. I am glad it was you who got it. I think we need a gallery just to showcase David's remarque collection. It deserves one, aside from your main collection.

Thanks everyone, and Juliana, I love your idea. Will do it if others would like it also. Speaking of remarques, Mike (gunkslinger) has nearly as many as I do, a majority by his artist friend Caniglia. I remember him posting pics of his awesome collection.

jhanic
07-22-2009, 04:00 AM
I'd like to see a remarque gallery also. They are just great!

John

Ari_Racing
07-22-2009, 05:14 AM
Congratulations, David!

And the Roland sketch...man...I'm breathless!

Ricky
07-22-2009, 09:30 AM
I have a feeling that I will be needing tyo sell more books than I thought because I kinda like that Gunslinger sketch too. :panic:

If you're selling firsts, you've got a buyer here. :thumbsup:

Patrick
07-22-2009, 08:13 PM
Congratulations, David. Glad it went to someone we know. :)

Tippy, that "I of XXI" Gunslinger is sweet! Compliments to Mr. Dameron.

tippy4
07-23-2009, 02:41 PM
Update:

The Gunslinger #I pictured above will go on sale on Monday.

#III is the stork-monster (see preliminary sketch on previous page), and is on its way to me now.

tippy4
07-27-2009, 12:42 PM
As promised, the second remarque (number I) went up for sale today.









<------click my ebay link to check it out.

My goal is to have one listed every week.

turtlex
07-27-2009, 01:32 PM
As promised, the second remarque (number I) went up for sale today.









<------click my ebay link to check it out.

My goal is to have one listed every week.

Wow. Now that is cool!!!

Tvmorbid
07-27-2009, 01:52 PM
I loved his art as soon saw it in the book, thanks a lot for posting it up here :)

Randall Flagg
07-27-2009, 04:05 PM
Rick, that is a very cool remarque. I hope it goes to a good home (meaning someone here):thumbsup:

tippy4
07-27-2009, 04:11 PM
I added some more pictures to the auction just now.

As a bonus to you guys here, here is a sneak peak at the next one....the finished piece arrived today.....

http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/657/picture151f.jpg (http://img228.imageshack.us/i/picture151f.jpg/)

Rahfa
07-27-2009, 04:53 PM
Very neat...to me, more interesting than the Gunslinger remarque, only due to the uniqueness factor. The GS one, however, is pretty unique from Dameron's perspective, though...there weren't more than a couple drawings of Roland in DT III, right?

Randall Flagg
07-27-2009, 05:14 PM
Very neat...to me, more interesting than the Gunslinger remarque, only due to the uniqueness factor. The GS one, however, is pretty unique from Dameron's perspective, though...there weren't more than a couple drawings of Roland in DT III, right?
I believe there were three.


Roland With Susannah on his shoulders.
https://secure.grantbooks.com/nd-3-small.jpg
Roland firing his revolver.

http://www.piina.net/king/kirjat/torni/3b.jpg


Roland (no face) kneeling and accepting a cross.

http://www.scificincinnati.com/images/wastelands_8_roland_oldpeop.jpg

wizardsrainbow
07-28-2009, 08:50 AM
I think this auction will tell us quite a lot. I was the only bidder on the first auction. This one features Roland (The Gunslinger), the central character in the series and arguably the favorite among fans. The remarque is detailed and well done. I would expect several bids, but I would be very surprised to see it go for north of $850.

Should no one bid or one (perhaps) two people bid with the final price in the low $500 range, then I think Tippy and Ned should rethink the strategy. Just my personal opinion. I know Ned (and Tippy) have invested a lot of time and effort in this project and I would like to see them rewarded for their efforts, but I think the sale of this remarque may tell us a lot about the appetite for future sketches.

Rahfa
07-28-2009, 12:00 PM
I dunno...I went back and forth between whehter $500 was high or low...bottom line, if they sell 21 at just $500, it's $10K...which isn't bad for basically time, and the investment for the 1st edition Wastelands.

I think with any collectible, the original source can't price for as high as it 'should' go for...because it has to be an investment to be worth buying at all...so I'm not bidding $500 unless I'm confident I'm going to be able to sell for $750 in a few years...

So if the bidding starts at $750 right now? Then I'm not sure if I'd be that confident it's value would be $1000 in a few years...

Maybe it would, maybe it wouldn't....but the more money the source/artist tries to get on the front end, the more restricted the market gets.

So I'd stick with $500, and if it takes a year or two to realize the ultimate, minimum $10k profit, than so be it...any lower, and the profit isn't worth the time and effort, any more and you run the risk of losing money on un-bid auctions. The $5 listing fee can add up quick over just a few weeks...

Anyway...just another view...

Fsmdr
07-28-2009, 04:28 PM
I dunno...I went back and forth between whehter $500 was high or low...bottom line, if they sell 21 at just $500, it's $10K...which isn't bad for basically time, and the investment for the 1st edition Wastelands.

I think with any collectible, the original source can't price for as high as it 'should' go for...because it has to be an investment to be worth buying at all...so I'm not bidding $500 unless I'm confident I'm going to be able to sell for $750 in a few years...

So if the bidding starts at $750 right now? Then I'm not sure if I'd be that confident it's value would be $1000 in a few years...

Maybe it would, maybe it wouldn't....but the more money the source/artist tries to get on the front end, the more restricted the market gets.

So I'd stick with $500, and if it takes a year or two to realize the ultimate, minimum $10k profit, than so be it...any lower, and the profit isn't worth the time and effort, any more and you run the risk of losing money on un-bid auctions. The $5 listing fee can add up quick over just a few weeks...

Anyway...just another view...


Another point, these remarqued books have a much smaller market than say a regular S/L. It's basically to me 'book art'. Original art in a book. Either you care for it or you don't. It's fun and great to own, but not a necessity for a completist.

So if the book sells for $500, the book alone, says worth about $75. Would you pay the premium of $425 for a remarque from Ned Dameron?. That is the question, IMO.

Rahfa
07-28-2009, 07:13 PM
Totally correct...which is why the limitation of 21 makes sense.

tippy4
07-29-2009, 05:16 PM
I agree that there will be a much smaller market, but the number of remarqued copies will be less than 2% the number of S/Ls of this title (1,250).

A lot of you have mentioned it would be nice to see the remarques all at once so you can decide if you want to bid on one that is currently on auction or wait for one that is coming.

Best I can offer is the list of remarques that have been produced, are in production, or will be in production in the near future.

The Gunslinger (currently on auction)
Oy (sold)
The "Stork Monster" (will be up for auction 07/27/09)
Eddie and Susannah (In production now)
The Albino Twins (coming after Eddie and Susannah)

After that, and in no particular order..............
Richard Fannin
Gasher
Jake
Shardik
The "Flying Monster"
Shardik's Helper Robots
The Crashed Focke Wulf
Another Roland
Blaine
The Rose
The Dark Tower

That is it for now, and we are still knocking around ideas on the final five.

wizardsrainbow
07-30-2009, 07:07 AM
I think we should all stand aside on Gasher for Sir Boomme.

Interesting list...some appeal to me and others do not. Likely the same for other collectors.

Another idea (more complex) small sketches of the Beam and its Guardians

Sir_Boomme
07-30-2009, 07:15 AM
I think we should all stand aside on Gasher for Sir Boomme.

Interesting list...some appeal to me and others do not. Likely the same for other collectors.

Another idea (more complex) small sketches of the Beam and its Guardians

ha, now that the night shift proof is out of my range .... i'll definitely be taking a long hard look at the Gasher remarque 4 sure - of course the roland, fannin, and tower will probably get a glance from me too - according to what order they come out in, and if i've made a previous purchase of any of them (i am budgeting myself this year).

tippy4
07-30-2009, 08:17 AM
Interesting list...some appeal to me and others do not. Likely the same for other collectors.

That is understandable. Some will be favored because they are beloved characters (Roland & Oy).

The albino twins are (in my opinion) less beloved characters, but the preliminary sketch is really cool, so I think it will have interest.

One of the ideas we recently "scrapped" was one of the two-headed buffalo the gang sees before they reach Lud. I just did not think anyone would be interested.



Another idea (more complex) small sketches of the Beam and its Guardians

I actually had that same idea....using Roland's "pie-chart" drawing he uses to explain the beams to Eddie and Susannah....but the pictures would have to be pretty tiny.

cody44
07-31-2009, 07:50 PM
I'm excited to see what the Jake drawing turns out like. He's my favorite.

Nerak
08-01-2009, 04:14 AM
David, congrats on the Oy, it's beautiful!

Can't wait to see the rest of them!

Really interested in seeing what Jake turns out like!

I hate waiting! LOL

turtlex
08-01-2009, 06:06 AM
I can't wait to see Eddie!

wizardsrainbow
08-01-2009, 06:54 PM
I can tell you all right now, I want the Eddie & Susannah one. (Not trying to scare anyone off).

Brice
08-01-2009, 06:59 PM
I can tell you all right now, I want the Eddie & Susannah one. (Not trying to scare anyone off).

You're just letting them know they can't have it? :lol:

tippy4
08-01-2009, 07:10 PM
I can understand your interest in the Eddie & Susannah remarque as I do not think MW or DA have done one of both of them before. I believe there was a face-shot done of Susannah by DA.

You might have some competition David.

Since The Collector sent out his newsletter this morning in which he mentions this project, the number of auction views has gone from 127 to 172.

The number of people who have it on their WATCH LIST went from 15 to 32.

Rahfa
08-03-2009, 10:16 AM
Nice...$626 for the Gunslinger...

Not sure if the 'stork' will see an increase, but the overall general market value is slowly being established. Doesn't matter how many people ultimately bid...the people on the sideline will see there is action, and that will draw them in eventually...

Like me...maybe...

tippy4
08-03-2009, 10:23 AM
I actually wanted The Gunslinger, and considered having someone place a proxy bid for me, but did not want anyone to think I was being a shill bidder.

Congrats to the winner!

Remarque#3 is on auction now!

Fsmdr
08-03-2009, 10:41 AM
Congrats, Rick and Bob. Excellent remarque to own.

carlosdetweiller
08-03-2009, 01:57 PM
Congrats, Rick and Bob. Excellent remarque to own.

Thanks! I'm glad to be getting it. It looks like the other bidder and I had the same idea as to how much we would be willing to pay. I only had $0.21 left on my snipe bid so we basically bid about the same. I thought it would go much closer to $500. Still, I am a sucker for #1's if I can get them.

tippy4
08-03-2009, 07:52 PM
Hmmmmm.....note to self.

All future Dameron remarques will be numbered I.

:)

wizardsrainbow
08-04-2009, 03:21 AM
Congrats, Rick and Bob. Excellent remarque to own.

Thanks! I'm glad to be getting it. It looks like the other bidder and I had the same idea as to how much we would be willing to pay. I only had $0.21 left on my snipe bid so we basically bid about the same. I thought it would go much closer to $500. Still, I am a sucker for #1's if I can get them.

Ha! That would have been my snipe Bob. I bid something like $616.67 to clear out anyone who bid an even $600. You got me on this one but I do not begrudge you the win, I have a Gunslinger remarque by Ned, although not in color. Still, Eddie and Susannah are coming up pretty soon.

turtlex
08-04-2009, 03:26 AM
Tip? How close are we to getting a preview of the Eddie and Susannah book?

jhanic
08-04-2009, 03:29 AM
Hmmmmm.....note to self.

All future Dameron remarques will be numbered I.

:)

:rofl:

John

carlosdetweiller
08-04-2009, 03:58 AM
Congrats, Rick and Bob. Excellent remarque to own.

Thanks! I'm glad to be getting it. It looks like the other bidder and I had the same idea as to how much we would be willing to pay. I only had $0.21 left on my snipe bid so we basically bid about the same. I thought it would go much closer to $500. Still, I am a sucker for #1's if I can get them.

Ha! That would have been my snipe Bob. I bid something like $616.67 to clear out anyone who bid an even $600. You got me on this one but I do not begrudge you the win, I have a Gunslinger remarque by Ned, although not in color. Still, Eddie and Susannah are coming up pretty soon.

I suspected it might have been you, David. Patience may be a virtue on these. As I'm sure you recall, Michael Whelan began drawing larger and more detailed drawings as he went along on the DT 7 books. They ended up being nearly full page scenes towards the end. Maybe Ned will do the same.

wizardsrainbow
08-04-2009, 06:37 AM
Bob-

I am happy for you and that the remarque has been kept within the "family."

Hope you are right on the detail as time progresses. However, I quite like what he has done already.

tippy4
08-04-2009, 06:45 AM
Tip? How close are we to getting a preview of the Eddie and Susannah book?

I spoke to Ned about a week ago, and he was currently working on it. He mentioned he needed to order something to finish it (a special kind of brush or pen).

I am hoping to have it on auction within three days after the stork-thing one ends.

turtlex
08-04-2009, 07:28 AM
Awesome. Thank you. Wiz isn't the only one who can't wait to see it. :D

wizardsrainbow
08-04-2009, 07:50 AM
Hey Rick! Question? My Oy remarque was not numbered. Was this a "teaser" sketch or should I contact Ned to number and name the remarque.

tippy4
08-04-2009, 08:46 AM
It was numbered and named in the bottom left hand corner.

http://img188.imageshack.us/img188/7199/16292657.jpg (http://img188.imageshack.us/i/16292657.jpg/)

All remarques will be numbered, but not all will be named.

Ned and I had this discussion a couple weeks ago, and since some characters (stork-thing for instance) do not have actual names.....he will leave those nameless.

wizardsrainbow
08-04-2009, 11:34 AM
It was numbered and named in the bottom left hand corner.

http://img188.imageshack.us/img188/7199/16292657.jpg (http://img188.imageshack.us/i/16292657.jpg/)

All remarques will be numbered, but not all will be named.

Ned and I had this discussion a couple weeks ago, and since some characters (stork-thing for instance) do not have actual names.....he will leave those nameless.

><:doh::doh::doh: My bad! <runs and hides his embarrassment under the couch cushion>

Room 217 Caretaker
08-04-2009, 11:36 AM
[/quote]

><:doh::doh::doh: My bad! <runs and hides his embarrassment under the couch cushion>[/QUOTE]

......and looks for his glasses :wtf:

Don't worry, I lose mine all the time as well.

Mulleins
Cumberland VA

tippy4
08-04-2009, 05:11 PM
Just got off the phone with Ned....here is what's next:

#IV Eddie & Susannah
#V Bill & Till
#VI The Flying Monsters
#VII Gasher

Patrick
08-04-2009, 09:55 PM
Congrats on your winning bid, Bob. Good to see I and II staying in the Family.

Of the three we've seen so far though, I think III is my favorite. It is just so... unexpected.

Can't wait to see the rest of them as well. I really like the work Ned is doing in these.

Rahfa
08-05-2009, 04:49 AM
I sort of hope the next few sell to somebody not already on this board...it would give me a little more faith in the work as a true collectible if there was action from beyond the usual suspects...hopefully, these first few will establish some value and previously unknown collectors will jump in...

carlosdetweiller
08-05-2009, 05:11 AM
I sort of hope the next few sell to somebody not already on this board...it would give me a little more faith in the work as a true collectible if there was action from beyond the usual suspects...hopefully, these first few will establish some value and previously unknown collectors will jump in...

Yeah, there have really only been two bidders for the first two books. Me and wizardsrainbow.

Rahfa
08-05-2009, 05:19 AM
Tippy did say there were lots of watchers and page views....for what that's worth.

Since you're both on the sidelines for the stork one, this next one will give some clue as to broad interest....on the other hand, the stork, while neat, isn't exactly most compelling to a broad audience, so we'll see.

jhanic
08-05-2009, 05:24 AM
I have to admit that I'm one of the watchers.

John

Mr. Rabbit Trick
08-05-2009, 06:54 AM
Tippy did say there were lots of watchers and page views....for what that's worth.


All from this message board, no doubt.

tippy4
08-05-2009, 09:27 AM
I would guess about 50/50 on the watchers.

On the page views, probably 85/15 (15 being the board members)

Patrick
08-05-2009, 09:54 AM
Given that discussion on these auctions was big here at TDT.com from the beginning, it's no surprise that that our members would comprise a large percentage of people following the auctions. However as word spreads by other means, such as The Collector's announcement in his recent monthly mailing, I would expect to see the "new blood" that Rahfa would like.

On the other hand, we know that there are lurkers on public board forums such as this one. Some "new, non-TDT.com" buyer may actually be a member here who never or rarely posts, or may be someone who never registers here at all, but reads the collectors' forum for the information. (That's what I did for a long time at a prior site before finally registering.)

e_taylor
08-05-2009, 10:16 AM
Rick -

You should start a thread at Horror Mall's "The Haunt" in regards to these. Theres a huge market of horror collector's there to be tapped.

Or if you want, PM me some official type write up describing the project and I can start one for you. :thumbsup:

tippy4
08-05-2009, 11:53 AM
Thank you Eric.

PM sent.

Randall Flagg
08-05-2009, 05:13 PM
The "Stork Monster" (will be up for auction 07/27/09)

The "Flying Monster"
That is it for now, and we are still knocking around ideas on the final five.
FY, the storks were actually called "stork-things"
Directly from The Wastelands:

Among the smaller creatures stalked larger ones—pinkish things that looked a little like storks and a little like living camera tripods. They moved slowly, almost thoughtfully, like preachers meditating on the inevitability of damnation, pausing every now and then to bend sharply forward and apparently pluck something from the ground, as herons bend to seize passing fish. There was something unutterably repulsive about these creatures—Roland felt that as keenly as the others—but it was impossible to say what, exactly, caused that feeling. There was no denying its reality, however; the stork-things were, in their exquisite hatefulness, almost impossible to look at.

tippy4
08-05-2009, 07:13 PM
Yeah, we considered calling it III Stork-Thing, but that seemed more of a description than a name.

Just like the flying monsters they see just before they see the stork-things. King refers to them as "misshapen flying things which looked like pterodactyls". They will just get a number....no name.

tippy4
08-05-2009, 07:17 PM
I have been kicking around an idea for the last week, and would like to get your thoughts as collectors.

What if #XXI was done in a S/L edition?

Obviously, the opening price on this one would be higher (around $900).

Part of me likes the idea, part of me does not.

Thoughts?

Rahfa
08-05-2009, 08:34 PM
Signed by who? You and Ned? Not sure if your signature is going to pull that off...

Seriously, though...signed by King? Then maybe it would be interesting...$900 is not a real price, though, unless you plan to very patient.

Fsmdr
08-05-2009, 08:35 PM
My 2 cents,

The only reason I would not recommend it, the one remarque in the S/L would make it inconsistent with the rest of the limitation. Since the rest of the 20 copies are on the trade edition. Unless you continue later to add a 'deluxe' edition to the original 21 copies. :P

Rahfa
08-05-2009, 09:16 PM
Oh....duh....I totally misread that.

I agree with the above - I would not use an s/l. It would be contrived and unneccessary.

Unless it was an Artist Edition, the numbered copy wouldn't fit anyway. And, the value should be from the artwork...trying to double dip doesn't actually add that much value to a s/l that was already worth a certain amount.

Patrick
08-05-2009, 09:58 PM
I agree, for consistency, I would recommend keeping all 21 of the remarques in First Editions as originally advertised.

Now, after these 21 are sold, there is nothing stopping Dameron from trying another series (Lettered rather than Roman Numerals, for instance) in some S/L's.

Room 217 Caretaker
08-06-2009, 02:09 AM
Throwing my 2 cents in as well. I love the First Edition idea and how your doing it. Don't like the S/L idea.

:excited: Now if Ned needs to practice in a S/L to see if this is a good idea or not, I happen to have #432 I can ship him :) for practicing purposes. I know I know....it's a sacrifice I'm willing to take for the team.

Mulleins
Cumberland VA

wizardsrainbow
08-06-2009, 02:33 AM
I'd also vote to keep the series consistent. So no S/L. If someone wants an S/L done, let them negotiate that with Ned on the side.

Randall Flagg
08-06-2009, 06:04 AM
I'd also vote to keep the series consistent. So no S/L. If someone wants an S/L done, let them negotiate that with Ned on the side.
My sentiments precisely.

tippy4
08-06-2009, 06:16 AM
My 2 cents,

The only reason I would not recommend it, is that one remarque in a S/L would make it inconsistent with the rest of the limitation, since the rest of the 20 copies are in the trade edition.

Yup, this was exactly why I did not like the idea.

I did like the idea because I thought it would be cool to have one that is signed by King.

Idea is scrapped...thanks for the input all.

Rahfa
08-06-2009, 07:01 AM
My 2 cents,

The only reason I would not recommend it, is that one remarque in a S/L would make it inconsistent with the rest of the limitation, since the rest of the 20 copies are in the trade edition.

Yup, this was exactly why I did not like the idea.

I did like the idea because I thought it would be cool to have one that is signed by King.

Idea is scrapped...thanks for the input all.

Well....that's more do-able....you could contact SK's office and see if he'd sign a copy, and what kind of cut he'd take. He might do it to help out an artistic effort. So, doing it in a pre-existing s/l isn't a good idea, but trying to get King's signature to match Dameron's could work.

wizardsrainbow
08-07-2009, 07:31 AM
I just purchased the Roland and Susannah preliminary sketches that Ned did for The Waste Lands (pics posted by Ari on 1st page of this thread). I am very excited!

jhanic
08-07-2009, 07:58 AM
Congratulations, David. Some nice additions to your collection!

John

carlosdetweiller
08-07-2009, 10:04 AM
Those are nice looking sketches. Congratulaions, David.

Rahfa
08-07-2009, 10:15 AM
Did anybody have any thoughts on trying to get SK to sign one of the copies specifically for this edition, to try and create a 'lettered' edition (as opposed to using a current s/l)?

I bet if Tippy/Ned put the effort in, he'd do it.

wizardsrainbow
08-07-2009, 10:42 AM
A little back story on the sketches I purchased today....

Ned told me that these Roland sketches were done with Clint Eastwood in mind. He was trying to capture the jawline and gritted teeth profile that is typical Clint. Donald Grant saw Ned's early renditions of the Gunslinger modeled after Clint and told Ned he was not happy with that look. So Ned ended up fashioning "his" Roland after Chuck Connors.

As for Susannah, Ned was living in Silver Springs Maryland at the time and often rode the bus there, always looking at people, styles, etc. One day on the bus, he saw a young African-American girl with her hair pulled back in a distinctive fashionable way. He captured her image in his mind and that school girl became Susannah.

wizardsrainbow
08-07-2009, 10:44 AM
Did anybody have any thoughts on trying to get SK to sign one of the copies specifically for this edition, to try and create a 'lettered' edition (as opposed to using a current s/l)?

I bet if Tippy/Ned put the effort in, he'd do it.

I bet he would agree if Ned asked him to do it. But to do just 1 out of the 21?

Rahfa
08-07-2009, 11:22 AM
Did anybody have any thoughts on trying to get SK to sign one of the copies specifically for this edition, to try and create a 'lettered' edition (as opposed to using a current s/l)?

I bet if Tippy/Ned put the effort in, he'd do it.

I bet he would agree if Ned asked him to do it. But to do just 1 out of the 21?

Well, keeping it one keeps it very exclusive...and it remains an "artist" edition, as opposed to "just another SK limited." Pound-for-pound, the 1-out-of-21 basically makes it a lettered edition of a sort.

Maybe more importantly, having SKs involvement, even a little bit, validates the entire project - if there was a letter from King's office proving provenance, and make sure it basically refers to the I-XX editions as part of an "official" series, it would remove any lingering doubts about 'officialness,' etc.

Randall Flagg
08-07-2009, 05:38 PM
I bet he would agree if Ned asked him to do it. But to do just 1 out of the 21?
What (other than to help Ned Dameron) would be Stephen King's motivation?
No offense, but I don't see how Rick and Ned's collaboration could/would/should inspire Stephen King to sign a book purely intended for profit amongst a couple of people.
I would guess that Ned Dameron on his own could solicit and receive Stephen King's signature.
Of course I would never would have imagined Stephen King signing books for fl a t si g n ed books. (Spaces left intentionally)

wizardsrainbow
08-07-2009, 05:47 PM
I concur with Jerome. Steve might do it for Ned if he asked, but there is nothing in it for Steve other than perhaps doing a favor.

Still, even if done, unless the remarque piqued my interest, the signed book by King would not get my juices running. I have at least 2 King signed Waste Lands. I can get Ned to do artwork for me without having to pay for another King signature.

Rahfa
08-07-2009, 06:34 PM
There's really nothing for SK in signing any s/l for any publisher, except a sore wrist. He doesn't need the money from any source. I think the only important motivation for this would be helping Ned sell the books. Anyway, whether or not King would ever agree to the idea, is incidental to whether it's a good idea to even approach him in the first place...

Remember...Most of us can't get Ned, or Whelan, or anyone, to sign a SK signed book, so it would pique my interest! Haha...

tippy4
08-09-2009, 12:17 PM
Tip? How close are we to getting a preview of the Eddie & Susannah book?

Eddie & Susannah are on their way to me now!

Joining them are Bill & Till.

I will post pictures as soon as I get 'em (hopefully no later than Tuesday).

Ari_Racing
08-09-2009, 06:34 PM
Congratulations, David! :)

tippy4
08-10-2009, 10:00 AM
The remarque that ended today (stork-thing) is sold to a buyer I do not know.

Next up....Eddie & Susannah (later this week).

Randall Flagg
08-10-2009, 10:08 AM
What did it sell for?