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mae

11-20-2008, 11:36 AM

Designated in blue are the bracket runners-up; designated in green are the bracket winners; designated in maroon are the wildcards. "FAS" stands for "Final Average Score" as given by Aaron.

Bracket 1:
Carrie (http://www.thedarktower.org/palaver/showthread.php?t=5776): 62 votes - rated 4 with 27 votes (43.55%) [FAS: 3.690909091]
'Salem's Lot (http://www.thedarktower.org/palaver/showthread.php?t=5777): 68 votes - rated 5 with 31 votes (45.59%) [FAS: 4.292307692]
Rage (http://www.thedarktower.org/palaver/showthread.php?t=5778): 62 votes - tied 3-NR with 17 votes (27.42%) [FAS: 3.422222222]
The Shining (http://www.thedarktower.org/palaver/showthread.php?t=5780): 69 votes - rated 5 with 33 votes (47.83%) [FAS: 4.353846154]
Night Shift (http://www.thedarktower.org/palaver/showthread.php?t=5781): 60 votes - tied 3-4 with 16 votes (26.67%) [FAS: 3.867924528]

An average of 64 votes per book.

Bracket 2:
The Stand (http://www.thedarktower.org/palaver/showthread.php?t=5820): 61 votes - rated 5 with 46 votes (75.41%) [FAS: 4.724137931]
The Dead Zone (http://www.thedarktower.org/palaver/showthread.php?t=5821): 47 votes - rated 3 with 15 votes (31.91%) [FAS: 3.850000000]
The Long Walk (http://www.thedarktower.org/palaver/showthread.php?t=5822): 49 votes - rated 5 with 26 votes (53.06%) [FAS: 4.487804878]
Firestarter (http://www.thedarktower.org/palaver/showthread.php?t=5823): 50 votes - rated 4 with 15 votes (30.00%) [FAS: 3.930232558]
Cujo (http://www.thedarktower.org/palaver/showthread.php?t=5824): 53 votes - rated 3 with 19 votes (35.85%) [FAS: 3.608695652]

An average of 52 votes per book (down from B1).

Bracket 3:
Roadwork (http://www.thedarktower.org/palaver/showthread.php?t=5912): 40 votes - rated NR with 10 votes (25.00%) - highest ranking 3 with 9 votes (22.50%) [FAS: 3.200000000]
Danse Macabre (http://www.thedarktower.org/palaver/showthread.php?t=5913): 43 votes - rated NR with 19 votes (44.19%) - highest ranking 3 with 9 votes (20.93%) [FAS: 2.625000000]
Different Seasons (http://www.thedarktower.org/palaver/showthread.php?t=5914): 44 votes - rated 5 with 21 votes (47.73%) [FAS: 4.475000000]
The Gunslinger (http://www.thedarktower.org/palaver/showthread.php?t=5915): 59 votes - rated 5 with 28 votes (47.46%) [FAS: 4.186440678]
The Running Man (http://www.thedarktower.org/palaver/showthread.php?t=5916): 42 votes - tied 3-4 with 12 votes (28.57%) [FAS: 3.406250000]

An average of 46 votes per book (down from B2).

Bracket 4:
Christine (http://www.thedarktower.org/palaver/showthread.php?t=5966): 39 votes - rated 3 with 11 votes (28.21%) [FAS: 3.468750000]
Cycle of the Werewolf (http://www.thedarktower.org/palaver/showthread.php?t=5967): 40 votes - rated 3 with 12 votes (30.00%) [FAS: 3.344827586]
Pet Sematary (http://www.thedarktower.org/palaver/showthread.php?t=5968): 46 votes - rated 5 with 24 votes (52.17%) [FAS: 4.390243902]
The Talisman (http://www.thedarktower.org/palaver/showthread.php?t=5969): 47 votes - rated 5 with 28 votes (59.57%) [FAS: 4.536585366]
Thinner (http://www.thedarktower.org/palaver/showthread.php?t=5970): 43 votes - tied 3-4 with 11 votes (25.58%) [FAS: 3.470588235]

An average of 43 votes per book (down from B3).

Bracket 5:
The Eyes of the Dragon (http://www.thedarktower.org/palaver/showthread.php?t=6135): 48 votes - rated 5 with 18 votes (37.50%) [FAS: 4.071428571]
Skeleton Crew (http://www.thedarktower.org/palaver/showthread.php?t=6136): 44 votes - rated 4 with 18 votes (40.91%) [FAS: 4.000000000]
It (http://www.thedarktower.org/palaver/showthread.php?t=6137): 50 votes - rated 5 with 37 votes (74.00%) [FAS: 4.695652174]
Misery (http://www.thedarktower.org/palaver/showthread.php?t=6138): 49 votes - rated 5 with 23 votes (46.94%) [FAS: 4.400000000]
The Drawing of the Three (http://www.thedarktower.org/palaver/showthread.php?t=6139): 51 votes - rated 5 with 38 votes (74.51%) [FAS: 4.666666667]

An average of 48 votes per book (up from B3; down from B2).

Bracket 6:
The Tommyknockers (http://www.thedarktower.org/palaver/showthread.php?t=6140): 47 votes - rated 4 with 13 votes (27.66%) [FAS: 3.228571429]
Nightmares in the Sky (http://www.thedarktower.org/palaver/showthread.php?t=6141): 43 votes - rated NR with 34 votes (79.07%) - highest ranking 2 with 3 votes (6.98%) [FAS: 2.666666667]
The Dark Half (http://www.thedarktower.org/palaver/showthread.php?t=6142): 46 votes - tied 3-4 with 12 votes (26.09%) [FAS: 3.371428571]
Four Past Midnight (http://www.thedarktower.org/palaver/showthread.php?t=6143): 45 votes - rated 4 with 17 votes (37.78%) [FAS: 3.857142857]
Needful Things (http://www.thedarktower.org/palaver/showthread.php?t=6144): 43 votes - rated 4 with 16 votes (37.21%) [FAS: 4.031250000]

An average of 45 votes per book (down from B5).

Bracket 7:
The Waste Lands (http://www.thedarktower.org/palaver/showthread.php?t=6206): 54 votes - rated 5 with 38 votes (70.37%) [FAS: 4.666666667]
Dolores Claiborne (http://www.thedarktower.org/palaver/showthread.php?t=6207): 45 votes - rated NR with 18 votes (40.00%) - highest ranking 4 with 14 votes (31.11%) [FAS: 3.703703704]
Gerald's Game (http://www.thedarktower.org/palaver/showthread.php?t=6208): 44 votes - rated 3 with 11 votes (25.00%) [FAS: 3.294117647]
Nightmares & Dreamscapes (http://www.thedarktower.org/palaver/showthread.php?t=6209): 43 votes - rated 4 with 12 votes (27.91%) [FAS: 3.970588235]
Insomnia (http://www.thedarktower.org/palaver/showthread.php?t=6210): 49 votes - tied 4-5 with 18 votes (36.73%) [FAS: 4.065217391]

An average of 47 votes per book (up from B6; down from B5).

Bracket 8:
Rose Madder (http://www.thedarktower.org/palaver/showthread.php?t=6282): 79 votes - rated NR with 23 votes (29.11%) - highest ranking 3 with 19 votes (24.05%) [FAS: 3.464285714]
Desperation (http://www.thedarktower.org/palaver/showthread.php?t=6283): 90 votes - rated 4 with 29 votes (32.22%) [FAS: 3.972602740]
The Regulators (http://www.thedarktower.org/palaver/showthread.php?t=6284): 89 votes - rated 4 with 26 votes (29.21%) [FAS: 3.571428571]
The Green Mile (http://www.thedarktower.org/palaver/showthread.php?t=6285): 93 votes - rated 5 with 44 votes (47.31%) [FAS: 4.435897436]
Wizard and Glass (http://www.thedarktower.org/palaver/showthread.php?t=6286): 112 votes - rated 5 with 66 votes (58.93%) [FAS: 4.360360360]

An average of 93 votes per book (up from B1).

Bracket 9:
Bag of Bones (http://www.thedarktower.org/palaver/showthread.php?t=6339): 88 votes - rated 5 with 27 votes (30.68%) [FAS: 4.014492754]
Hearts in Atlantis (http://www.thedarktower.org/palaver/showthread.php?t=6340): 87 votes - rated 4 with 28 votes (32.18%) [FAS: 4.067567568]
Storm of the Century (http://www.thedarktower.org/palaver/showthread.php?t=6341): 80 votes - rated NR with 37 votes (46.25%) - highest ranking 3 with 18 votes (22.50%) [FAS: 3.441860465]
The Girl Who Loved Tom Gordon (http://www.thedarktower.org/palaver/showthread.php?t=6342): 85 votes - tied 3-NR with 23 votes (27.06%) [FAS: 3.387096774]
On Writing (http://www.thedarktower.org/palaver/showthread.php?t=6343): 84 votes - rated NR with 35 votes (41.67%) - highest ranking tied 4-5 with 19 votes (22.62%) [FAS: 4.061224490]

An average of 85 votes per book (up from B1; down from B8).

Bracket 10:
Secret Windows (http://www.thedarktower.org/palaver/showthread.php?t=6371): 90 votes - rated NR with 62 votes (68.89%) - highest ranking tied 2-3-4 with 8 votes (8.89%) [FAS: 3.142857143]
Black House (http://www.thedarktower.org/palaver/showthread.php?t=6372): 91 votes - rated 5 with 44 votes (48.35%) [FAS: 4.310810811]
Dreamcatcher (http://www.thedarktower.org/palaver/showthread.php?t=6373): 91 votes - tied 3-4 with 24 votes (26.37%) [FAS: 3.333333333]
Everything's Eventual (http://www.thedarktower.org/palaver/showthread.php?t=6374): 92 votes - rated 4 with 39 votes (42.39%) [FAS: 4.317073171]
From a Buick 8 (http://www.thedarktower.org/palaver/showthread.php?t=6375): 86 votes - rated 4 with 24 votes (27.91%) [FAS: 3.348484848]

An average of 90 votes per book (up from B9; down from B8).

Bracket 11:
Wolves of the Calla (http://www.thedarktower.org/palaver/showthread.php?t=6413): 110 votes - rated 5 with 64 votes (58.18%) [FAS: 4.477064220]
Song of Susannah (http://www.thedarktower.org/palaver/showthread.php?t=6414): 110 votes - rated 4 with 51 votes (46.36%) [FAS: 3.981481481]
The Dark Tower (http://www.thedarktower.org/palaver/showthread.php?t=6415): 114 votes - rated 5 with 81 votes (71.05%) [FAS: 4.666666667]
Faithful (http://www.thedarktower.org/palaver/showthread.php?t=6416): 91 votes - rated NR with 77 votes (84.62%) - highest ranking 4 with 8 votes (8.79%) [FAS: 3.214285714]
The Colorado Kid (http://www.thedarktower.org/palaver/showthread.php?t=6417): 90 votes - rated NR with 43 votes (47.78%) - highest ranking tied 3-4 with 15 votes (16.67%) [FAS: 3.276595745]

An average of 103 votes per book (up from B8).

Bracket 12:
Cell (http://www.thedarktower.org/palaver/showthread.php?t=6457): 95 votes - rated 4 with 23 votes (24.21%) [FAS: 3.720000000]
Lisey's Story (http://www.thedarktower.org/palaver/showthread.php?t=6458): 89 votes - rated NR with 25 votes (28.09%) - highest ranking 4 with 24 votes (26.97%) [FAS: 3.703125000]
Blaze (http://www.thedarktower.org/palaver/showthread.php?t=6459): 93 votes - rated NR with 40 votes (43.01%) - highest ranking 4 with 19 votes (20.43%) [FAS: 3.698113208]
Duma Key (http://www.thedarktower.org/palaver/showthread.php?t=6460): 94 votes - rated 5 with 41 votes (43.62%) [FAS: 4.437500000]
Just After Sunset (http://www.thedarktower.org/palaver/showthread.php?t=6461): 83 votes - rated NR with 47 votes (56.63%) - highest ranking 4 with 21 votes (25.30%) [FAS: 3.972222222]

An average of 91 votes per book (up from B10; down from B11).

mae

11-29-2008, 05:28 PM

Complete Round One Table
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Title|
Year|
Final Average Score|
Percentage|
Bracket|
Never Read

The Stand|
1978|
4.724137931|
94.5|
B2|
04.92%

It|
1986|
4.695652174|
93.9|
B5|
08.00%

The Dark Tower|
2004|
4.666666667|
93.3|
B11|
02.63%

The Drawing of the Three|
1987|
4.666666667|
93.3|
B5|
00.00%

The Waste Lands|
1991|
4.666666667|
93.3|
B7|
00.00%

The Talisman|
1984|
4.536585366|
90.7|
B4|
12.77%

The Long Walk|
1979|
4.487804878|
89.8|
B2|
16.33%

Wolves of the Calla|
2003|
4.477064220|
89.5|
B11|
00.91%

Different Seasons|
1982|
4.475000000|
89.5|
B3|
09.09%

Duma Key|
2008|
4.437500000|
88.8|
B12|
31.91%

The Green Mile|
1996|
4.435897436|
88.7|
B8|
16.13%

Misery|
1987|
4.400000000|
88.0|
B5|
18.37%

Pet Sematary|
1983|
4.390243902|
87.8|
B4|
10.87%

Wizard and Glass|
1997|
4.360360360|
87.2|
B8|
00.89%

The Shining|
1977|
4.353846154|
87.1|
B1|
05.80%

Everything's Eventual|
2002|
4.317073171|
86.3|
B10|
10.87%

Black House|
2001|
4.310810811|
86.2|
B10|
18.68%

Salem's Lot|
1975|
4.292307692|
85.8|
B1|
04.41%

The Gunslinger|
1982|
4.186440678|
83.7|
B3|
00.00%

The Eyes of the Dragon|
1984|
4.071428571|
81.4|
B5|
12.50%

Hearts in Atlantis|
1999|
4.067567568|
81.4|
B9|
14.94%

Insomnia|
1994|
4.065217391|
81.3|
B7|
06.12%

On Writing|
2000|
4.061224490|
81.2|
B9|
41.67%

Needful Things|
1991|
4.031250000|
80.6|
B6|
25.58%

Bag of Bones|
1998|
4.014492754|
80.3|
B9|
21.59%

Skeleton Crew|
1985|
4.000000000|
80.0|
B5|
11.36%

Song of Susannah|
2004|
3.981481481|
79.6|
B11|
01.82%

Desperation|
1996|
3.972602740|
79.5|
B8|
18.89%

Just After Sunset|
2008|
3.972222222|
79.4|
B12|
56.63%

Nightmares & Dreamscapes|
1993|
3.970588235|
79.4|
B7|
20.93%

Firestarter|
1980|
3.930232558|
78.6|
B2|
14.00%

Night Shift|
1978|
3.867924528|
77.4|
B1|
16.67%

Four Past Midnight|
1990|
3.857142857|
77.1|
B6|
22.22%

The Dead Zone|
1979|
3.850000000|
77.0|
B2|
14.89%

Cell|
2006|
3.720000000|
74.4|
B12|
21.05%

Dolores Claiborne|
1992|
3.703703704|
74.1|
B7|
40.00%

Lisey's Story|
2006|
3.703125000|
74.1|
B12|
28.09%

Blaze|
2007|
3.698113208|
74.0|
B12|
43.01%

Carrie|
1974|
3.690909091|
73.8|
B1|
11.29%

Cujo|
1981|
3.608695652|
72.2|
B2|
13.21%

The Regulators|
1996|
3.571428571|
71.4|
B8|
21.35%

Thinner|
1984|
3.470588235|
69.4|
B4|
20.93%

Christine|
1983|
3.468750000|
69.4|
B4|
17.95%

Rose Madder|
1995|
3.464285714|
69.3|
B8|
29.11%

Storm of the Century|
1999|
3.441860465|
68.8|
B9|
46.25%

Rage|
1977|
3.422222222|
68.4|
B1|
27.42%

The Running Man|
1982|
3.406250000|
68.1|
B3|
23.81%

The Girl Who Loved Tom Gordon|
1999|
3.387096774|
67.7|
B9|
27.06%

The Dark Half|
1989|
3.371428571|
67.4|
B6|
23.91%

From a Buick 8|
2002|
3.348484848|
67.0|
B10|
23.26%

Cycle of the Werewolf|
1983|
3.344827586|
66.9|
B4|
27.50%

Dreamcatcher|
2001|
3.333333333|
66.7|
B10|
17.58%

Gerald's Game|
1992|
3.294117647|
65.9|
B7|
22.73%

The Colorado Kid|
2005|
3.276595745|
65.5|
B11|
47.78%

The Tommyknockers|
1987|
3.228571429|
64.6|
B6|
25.53%

Faithful|
2004|
3.214285714|
64.3|
B11|
84.62%

Roadwork|
1981|
3.200000000|
64.0|
B3|
25.00%

Secret Windows|
2000|
3.142857143|
62.9|
B10|
68.89%

Nightmares in the Sky|
1988|
2.666666667|
53.3|
B6|
79.07%

Danse Macabre|
1981|
2.625000000|
52.5|
B3|
44.19%

Aaron

11-29-2008, 07:11 PM

Looking good so far, pablo. :thumbsup:

The Lady of Shadows

11-29-2008, 08:05 PM

am i allowed to post in here? can someone explain the bracket three results? cause i don't understand them at all. thanks.

Aaron

11-29-2008, 08:08 PM

Different Seasons was the winner of the bracket, with a score of 4.475. The Gunslinger was the runner-up, with a score of 4.186440678. Both will advance to Round 2 of the competition.

The Lady of Shadows

11-29-2008, 08:15 PM

Different Seasons was the winner of the bracket, with a score of 4.475. The Gunslinger was the runner-up, with a score of 4.186440678. Both will advance to Round 2 of the competition.

right. but if gunslinger had this as votes
59 votes - rated 5 with 28 votes
and different seasons had this as votes
44 votes - rated 5 with 21 votes then how is the gunslinger lower than different seasons? i'm not a math person (obviously) and the rest of the categories made sense to me but this one i'm just lost in. . . sorry. :unsure:

obscurejude

11-29-2008, 08:17 PM

Look at the Final average score (FAS).

I think its more of a reading comprehension thing. :lol:
:couple:

Aaron

11-29-2008, 08:19 PM

It is based on the average score, with all of the other votes being taken into account. You also have to look at the fact that more people voted in The Gunslinger poll than in the Different Seasons poll.

The Lady of Shadows

11-29-2008, 08:23 PM

oooooh.

so basically, when you do the averaging the fact that more people voted in the gunslinger poll than in the other poll actually hurt.

::nods wisely::

:lol:

thanks aaron, i appreciate the answer. :D

obscurejude

11-29-2008, 08:25 PM

mae

11-29-2008, 08:25 PM

Also, the percentage is a good indication, too. In this case, Different Seasons beat out The Gunslinger for the top spot in the bracket by just 0.27%.

mae

11-29-2008, 08:26 PM

Actually, I don't think the number of votes matters that much. Again, it's more about what percentage of 5s, 4s, 3s, 2s and 1s there is altogether. Am I right, Aaron?

But of course I would urge everyone to vote on every book. As you can see voting has steadily dwindled down to a point where 30 people that voted for The Shining (our highest vote-getter so far with 69) did not for some reason vote for Christine (which got a measly 39 votes, the lowest thus far).

The Lady of Shadows

11-29-2008, 08:28 PM

sorry ryan. didn't see your answer. really. :couple:

but if i had, i would have asked wtf elves know about math. :P

obscurejude

11-29-2008, 08:31 PM

sorry ryan. didn't see your answer. really. :couple:

but if i had, i would have asked wtf elves know about math. :P

The ethereal logorithms that bind our universe.*

*Not much considering my GRE scores were atrocious in math. Luckily, I was applying to the English school. :lol:

The Lady of Shadows

11-29-2008, 08:32 PM

:wtf:

Aaron

11-29-2008, 08:37 PM

You're right, pablo, the number of votes doesnt really matter in most cases. It is all about the average score. A good way to look at it is that if The Gunslinger hadn't gotten more votes total than Different Seasons, the chances that it would have received less fives or the same amount of fives would be pretty high.

John_and_Yoko

11-29-2008, 08:39 PM

I can't say the winners and runners up surprise me very much. But I look forward to when these brackets finish and we go into the next rounds--who knows how it'll turn out then? :D

mae

11-29-2008, 08:41 PM

The moral is, the more people vote, the more accurate the results. I mean, if only three people vote for a book and all three give it a 5, it'll get rated 5 with 100% of the vote, for a FAS of 5. That's not very accurate, though, because most people did not vote. So, more votes equals better results.

mae

11-29-2008, 08:43 PM

razz

11-29-2008, 08:45 PM

John_and_Yoko

11-29-2008, 08:48 PM

I can't say the winners and runners up surprise me very much. But I look forward to when these brackets finish and we go into the next rounds--who knows how it'll turn out then? :D

I am surprised somewhat by The Long Walk advancing. I would've picked Cujo or even Firestarter over it. And yeah, Round 2 will be fun!

Well, I'll grant you, I've only read The Stand out of that bracket....

But Frank Darabont's decision to film The Long Walk certainly makes me think it's a good one....

Aaron

11-29-2008, 08:48 PM

Well the next round should produce more objective results, as it will consist of grading the books in different areas. Since there will be a greater scale, there will be more varied results, directly reflecting the book's content.

And The Long Walk progressing doesn't surprise me at all. If anything, it shows me that this ranking system is working, because I know The Long Walk is a great book, but it is definitely not a widely-popular title. The fact that it triumphed over books that are more popular, though not as good by far (IMHO) reaffirms for me what we're doing here.

The Lady of Shadows

11-29-2008, 09:03 PM

Sam

12-02-2008, 04:27 PM

I second that agreement.

Jean

12-03-2008, 12:03 AM

And The Long Walk progressing doesn't surprise me at all. If anything, it shows me that this ranking system is working, because I know The Long Walk is a great book, but it is definitely not a widely-popular title. The fact that it triumphed over books that are more popular, though not as good by far (IMHO) reaffirms for me what we're doing here.
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mae

12-03-2008, 10:20 AM

Added the three brackets currently open for voting to the list in the first post so that it's easier for everyone to see the tournament structure, where each book is seeded. Unless I'm mistaken, the next bracket should open today. Right, Aaron? So this way people can keep better track.

Aaron

12-03-2008, 10:31 AM

Nope. Tomorrow. Mondays and Thursdays.

mae

12-03-2008, 10:41 AM

Gotcha. With multiple concurrent brackets it can get a little confusing. That's why I added the open ones to the list. Should've done it sooner.

Aaron

12-03-2008, 11:42 AM

Yeah, this week is a bit crazy since I got behind last week. After tomorrow it will all be back to the original structure.

The Lady of Shadows

12-03-2008, 01:25 PM

aaron the addition to your sig is priceless.

/off topic

Aaron

12-03-2008, 04:05 PM

:cyclops:

mae

12-04-2008, 12:27 PM

Added to the first post the preliminary data for the two closed brackets, added the new open bracket, and also designated the B5 winners as unofficially announced by Aaron!

mae

12-05-2008, 12:12 PM

Added the designations for the two books moving out of Bracket 6, as well as all the FAS numbers.

:rock:

Heather19

12-05-2008, 02:34 PM

So I was just looking at the scores, and I've got a question. The brackets were set up according to release date I assume. However bracket 5 had alot of strong books, and Misery scored an FAS of 4.4 which is higher than quite a number of books that are moving on. It had been working out that the ones with the highest scores were the books moving on to the next round, but in this case this book is being left behind because it was in the strongest bracket so far. Well I guess that's not really a question but more of an observation. I just feel bad that it's being left behind when it should be moving on, since it was rated higher than some of the other books.

John_and_Yoko

12-05-2008, 02:44 PM

Aaron

12-05-2008, 04:06 PM

Your concerns haven't gone unnoticed. What we are going to do is some wildcard face-offs. So Misery, as well as a few others, will have the chance to still move on. These will take place at the close of round one.

mae

12-06-2008, 08:55 PM

Well, to be honest, I like it the way it is. My thinking is that you can't compare books written in the 1970s with those written in the 1980s, or the 1990s, or the 2000s. They're all different, and so in each bracket we have books going against each other that are from the same time period. I think that's the most fair way.

Aaron

12-08-2008, 09:55 AM

Bracket 7 is closed. The Waste Lands is the winner, and Insomnia is the runner-up. The first posts for those two have been updated with their scores. I have scored the other three books in the bracket already, but havent had the chance to update the threads with the info. I'll probably get to that at lunch today.

Bracket 9 will also go up at lunch today.

mae

12-08-2008, 10:22 AM

Updated the list with the latest data from Aaron!

gsvec

12-08-2008, 06:55 PM

This is so much fun!! Thanks, pablo, for suggesting this!

I also had another thought for the additional categories - Fave SK himself on screen? He's made cameo appearances in a bunch of his movies, so I'm thinking it might be fun, too!

mae

12-08-2008, 07:04 PM

This is so much fun!! Thanks, pablo, for suggesting this!

No problem, but mine was just the germ of an idea. Aaron really took it and ran with it and it worked out (at least thus far) perfectly. Bravo to him for doing this! :couple:

mae

12-09-2008, 03:52 PM

Added a ranking of the books thus far to the second post of this thread.

Sam

12-09-2008, 07:14 PM

The only thing that really upsets me is that the winner of one bracket actually has a lower number than Eyes of the Dragon. It is what it is, but it really stunned me when I saw it. I think that's the only spot where the system we have in place is a little off.
Bracket 5:
The Eyes of the Dragon: 48 votes - rated 5 with 18 votes (37.50%) [FAS: 4.071428571]
Bracket 6:
Needful Things: 43 votes - rated 4 with 16 votes (37.21%) [FAS: 4.03125]

This is not to say that EotD would have continued as Misery outdid EotD with a 4.4.
All this means to me is that Needful Things will be ranked higher than those two stories even though its score was lower. That surprised me, but I can live with it. This is STILL a great system, and I am really enjoying it.

Aaron

12-09-2008, 07:29 PM

EotD will still have its chance, as will the other books that have scored higher than some of the bracket winners. There will be face-off polls to determine which of the high scoring bracket losers will overcome the lowest scoring bracket winners.

I think that was almost a tongue-twister. :P

mae

12-09-2008, 07:45 PM

Well, I already described my point of view on this issue above (in post #37). But let me elaborate. I may be wrong but this is what I believe. I feel that the chronological elimination is the best way to go. That means we promote the best two books in a given chronological group. That chronological part is important, I think. Just because Needful Things went on to the second round and Eyes of the Dragon didn't while receiving an overall higher FAS doesn't really mean anything because Eyes of the Dragon was not in competition with Needful Things. Misery's FAS was higher than some of our other bracket winners and runners-up ('Salem's Lot, The Shining, The Gunslinger, etc.), but it still should not progress to the second round. And I love Misery! Because Misery did not beat out the books in its own bracket, and the best two out of those five deservingly will be moving on. Great books will inevitably be left behind in this first round. One of my personal Top 5, Rose Madder, has no chance. I can grumble and moan, but numbers are stubborn things. If you don't get more points than the top two guys, you lose. Simple as that.

P.S.: With all due respect to Aaron, who organized these awards with such awesomeness that I could never have imagined, I don't think it would be fair to the bracket winners and/or runners-up to be supplanted by higher-scoring losers of different brackets as per my rationale above. We'll still have the overall ranking at the end of Round 1 that I started in the second post of this thread, so it will be plainly seen which books ended up where. Up to you, though. You're the boss. Just my opinion.

P.P.S:

All this means to me is that Needful Things will be ranked higher than those two stories even though its score was lower.

This actually won't happen, because (and sorry if I'm dwelling on the issue) if you look at the second post of this thread (http://www.thedarktower.org/palaver/showpost.php?p=295070&postcount=2), you'll see a listing of all the books that have been ranked thus far. The list is ordered from the highest FAS to the lowest, and so Needful Things is not ranked higher than either Eyes of the Dragon or Misery.

Aaron

12-10-2008, 03:59 PM

I understand what you are saying, pablo, but have to disagree. If an author had a really weak career early on and got better and better in a very distinct progression then that argument would be very sound. But King has been good for the majority of his career, as is evidenced by earlier books like The Stand and IT. It is very important which books progress to round 2 because those books will have the scores that they earned in round 1 added to. The scores that they receive in round 2 pair with those of round 1 and will designate the ranking order for numbers 7-24. The top six will have another round which will further add to their scores and decide the order of the top six.

So allowing a book to progress that has a lower score than others will most definitely skew the results, because it will put it above others that initially scored higher. That is why round one is so important. We must remember that the purpose here is to get an accurate ranking of all of King's books, based on the feelings of the readers. If the readers think Misery is better through their rankings, then it should at least have a chance of moving on and securing the ranking that it deserves.

mae

12-11-2008, 09:59 AM

What I think we could do then is have any book that scored a FAS of 4 and above move out of Round 1, maybe? Looking at the current results that will cover most of our winners and runners-up, except Four Past Midnight, and will include Misery, Eyes of the Dragon, and Skeleton Crew.

This is not an ideal solution, so perhaps instead of having a mid-round face-off between high-scoring losers to supplant low-scoring winners, we could add the top six losers from all the brackets. This would give us an even thirty books for Round 2. So, half move on and half is left behind. Makes sense to me. What do you think, Aaron?

Aaron

12-11-2008, 11:12 AM

Hmm...that's not a bad idea--and it will be less work. Let's go with it. Good compromise, pablo. :thumbsup:

mae

12-11-2008, 11:34 AM

Hmm...that's not a bad idea--and it will be less work. Let's go with it. Good compromise, pablo. :thumbsup:

Sounds good :)

And just as the polls have closed for Bracket 8 I've added the voting info on each book to the first post. Now awaiting Aaron's FAS numbers and proclamation of the winner and runner-up, which looks like it'll be Wizard and Glass and The Green Mile.

gsvec

12-11-2008, 04:52 PM

I like the resolution. It never really seemed fair to me that just because 2 books per decade were deemed the best of that particular decade that some with higher scores weren't going to be able to move on. Looking at a high level, the whole reason for this competition is to determine what his best book is - no matter when it was written. Kudos!!

Aaron

12-14-2008, 12:10 PM

The results of Bracket 8 are in the first posts of each thread. The winner of the bracket was The Green Mile and the runner-up was Wizard and Glass.

gsvec

12-14-2008, 12:15 PM

Aren't those the other way around Aaron? :unsure:

Aaron

12-14-2008, 12:52 PM

No, they are not. Though Wizard and Glass got more votes, The Green Mile averaged a better score...just barely. The scores are below:

The Green Mile - Final Average Score of 4.435897436

Wizard and Glass - Final Average Score of 4.3603603604

So it was like 7/100s of a point.

gsvec

12-14-2008, 01:01 PM

Okay - I was looking at this info on the first post of this thread

Bracket 8:
Rose Madder: 79 votes - rated NR with 23 votes (29.11%) - highest ranking 3 with 19 votes (24.05%)
Desperation: 90 votes - rated 4 with 29 votes (32.22%)
The Regulators: 89 votes - rated 4 with 26 votes (29.21%)
The Green Mile: 93 votes - rated 5 with 44 votes (47.31%)
Wizard and Glass: 112 votes - rated 5 with 66 votes (58.93%)
and the FAS aren't on there yet. Way close!!

Jean

12-14-2008, 01:39 PM

Desperation lost to W&G.............

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Heather19

12-14-2008, 01:51 PM

I know I was thinking the same thing :(. I really wish Desperation had made it on.

Aaron

12-14-2008, 02:25 PM

On the upside, as it currently stands Desperation will get one of the six wildcard slots, so it may not be out just yet.

mae

12-14-2008, 09:20 PM

All the data has been updated in the first two posts of this thread.

gsvec

12-14-2008, 09:26 PM

I love how the voting has picked up! Thanks to the directors for the poll reminders!! :D

mae

12-15-2008, 09:36 AM

Added to the first and second posts of this thread designations to the current holders of the six wildcard spots. This is subject to change, as losing books in the brackets yet to close can very well displace some of them if they score higher. But as it stands right now the following books will join the winners and runners-up in Round 2: Misery, The Eyes of the Dragon, Skeleton Crew, Desperation, Nightmares & Dreamscapes, and Firestarter.

Aaron

12-15-2008, 10:21 AM

Well, you can take Firestarter off of that list. It was just bumped by Bag of Bones.

The Bracket 9 results are in. Winner of the bracket is Hearts in Atlantis and the runner-up is On Writing, which I find a pleasant surprise. It beat out Bag of Bones by a verrry small margin.

The next bracket will go up later today. :clap:

mae

12-15-2008, 03:10 PM

Well, you can take Firestarter off of that list. It was just bumped by Bag of Bones.

As it well should!

All the data in the first two posts in this thread has been fully updated.

and the runner-up is On Writing, which I find a pleasant surprise.

I find this rather surprising as well. Didn't think any of the non-fiction books had a chance (you may remember my original proposal did not take into account the non-fiction). This is cool.

Aaron

12-18-2008, 09:55 AM

Bracket 10 results are in. The winner of the bracket is Everything's Eventual and the runner-up is Black House.

mae

12-18-2008, 10:13 AM

Excellent! Hurray for short stories!

The first two posts have been updated accordingly.

Aaron

12-22-2008, 08:41 AM

Bracket 11 has been tallied. The winner of the bracket is DT7: The Dark Tower and the runner-up is Wolves of the Calla.

mae

12-22-2008, 12:15 PM

Updated the first two posts with today's closed polls info. Just one more to go! :panic:

Sam

12-24-2008, 10:21 AM

Looks like ALL the DT stories will continue through to round 2. For those who really don't like that the tale they hate made it through, just put it one the ts list. Enjoy the day and Merry Christmas to those who are reading this on Christmas Day.

mae

12-25-2008, 12:36 PM

And thus Round 1 closes. Merry Christmas to all!

Awaiting official FAS numbers from Aaron, but with just a glance it looks like Duma Key will be declared the winner, and Just After Sunset the runner-up. Or I could be wrong. I'm sure Aaron will let us know soon enough and Round 2 will commence.

mae

12-25-2008, 01:54 PM

The second post of this thread is being restructured into a comprehensive table. It's a work in progress and it may look off and incomplete for a little while. Sorry about that.

Matt

12-26-2008, 08:44 AM

The table looks excellent. :clap:

ManOfWesternesse

12-26-2008, 10:12 AM

Good work on the table pablo - interesting looking!

mae

12-26-2008, 10:20 AM

Thanks, guys. Yeah, it's a lot prettier this way, with the information much easier to digest and understand.

mae

12-26-2008, 11:26 AM

And it's done. Now we just need the official totals for the last bracket and we should be ready for Round Two.

Unfortunately, I'll be away on a mini-vacation from 1/1 till 1/6, so I'll probably miss the beginning of Round 2... :(

Matt

12-26-2008, 12:20 PM

That is cool as hell Pablo, makes it really easy to read. :clap:

mae

12-26-2008, 01:16 PM

If anyone spots any errors or thinks of ways to improve the table, do let me know.

BROWNINGS CHILDE

12-26-2008, 06:00 PM

I must say, I am dissappointed to see Rage 4th from the bottom. I dont think I could ever say to someone that Rage is one of kings 4 worst books. IMO

Aaron

12-28-2008, 09:56 AM

The last bracket scores are up, pablo.

The table looks great, BTW, but there were a couple of other features I was planning to add to it, so you may see some changes to it here soon. But it really is great, no one knows better than I how much of a pain in the ass it is to code a table. :lol:

mae

12-28-2008, 10:14 AM

The table looks great, BTW, but there were a couple of other features I was planning to add to it, so you may see some changes to it here soon. But it really is great, no one knows better than I how much of a pain in the ass it is to code a table. :lol:

By all means, do tweak it however you wish. I didn't add links to the polls, as they're all already linked in the first post. I'm sure there could be other data added.

mae

12-28-2008, 10:30 AM

And the table is done. All sixty books have been ranked and we have our complete overview of Round One.

Aaron

12-28-2008, 10:30 AM

Well, I am wanting to eventually set up a CMPS page (ie news/content page) for this, and the table would be the focal point for that. I already have the codes set up to have it where you can click on the FAS on the table and it will link you to the original poll, and I also have the codes ready to link you to the King Catalog entry for each book by clicking on the title. I was also considering doing thumbnail images of each book cover, but I havent tested that with the table yet, so it may not work--or it may be too bulky-looking. I won't know until I give it a shot.

mae

12-28-2008, 10:38 AM

I must say, I am dissappointed to see Rage 4th from the bottom. I dont think I could ever say to someone that Rage is one of kings 4 worst books. IMO

Actually it's 3rd from the bottom. That is highly unfortunate. Well, better luck to it next year :)

Matt

12-28-2008, 12:43 PM

Jean

12-29-2008, 02:11 AM

Bears are very, very impressed!

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mae

12-29-2008, 06:59 AM

What's really impressive is Duma Key making the top ten.

Aaron

12-29-2008, 09:01 AM

Round 2 will begin on 01/01/09. It will be the grading round, in which the books will each be graded on three areas of content. Though it was originally going to be shorter, the plan is to keep to our current structure of five polls going up at a time, each Monday and Thursday. The main difference is that the books are not competing against each other in those brackets. The scores for each book will be totaled at the end of Round 2 and the top 5 will advance to the third and final round.

mae

12-29-2008, 09:39 AM

Aaron, could you expound a bit how Round 2 will be structured? Also, isn't that a tad too few books for Round 3, only five, out of thirty in Round 2? Is it possible to extend that to the top ten? I realize this will probably prolong the tournament, though. But that's your call, of course.

By the way, we could add Round 2 and 3 scores to the overall table, as well.

Heather19

12-29-2008, 02:59 PM

What's really impressive is Duma Key making the top ten.

I was very happy to see that. But then there were also some near the bottom that I was surprised were so low.

mae

12-30-2008, 12:40 PM

Here's an Excel chart of the table in the second post, first sorted chronologically, then sorted by FAS. Very geeky. Enjoy!

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Aaron

01-02-2009, 09:17 PM

I love the charts, pablo!

I am sorry that I wasn't able to get in here earlier to do this, but I wanted to let everyone know that we are postponing the beginning of Round 2 until this coming Monday. I'll pin a thread in the new subforum for the Round explaining how the grading will work for each book.

sarah

01-05-2009, 08:59 AM

Thanks Pablo. The charts really put it all in perspective.