Stephen King Proofs

[jhanic]

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Stephen King Proofs
Established May 31, 2007 by John Hanic
Edited December 10, 2020

US
Carrie white cover (O50)
Carrie green cover (P6) (one known copy)
Carrie beige cover (one or two copies known) larger than the green cover one
Salem’s Lot green cover oblong size
Salem's Lot off-white cover (one known copy)
Shining blue cover with black tape spine 55 copies
Night Shift green cover
Stand light brown cover oblong size
Stand blue/green cover (one known copy)
Dolan's Cadillac blue cover
Dolan's Cadillac brown cover
Dead Zone yellow cover
Firestarter orange cover
Firestarter orange cover w/sticker
Cujo Olive green cover
Danse Macabre orange cover
Dark Tower I: The Gunslinger (Plume) orange cover
Dark Tower I: The Gunslinger (Plume) ARC Variant Cover does not mention any proof or ARC condition
Different Seasons submission manuscript with heavy paper covers
Different Seasons gray decorative cover
The Plant part 1 green dust jacket over a beige cover
Christine
Pet Sematary red cardboard covers 2 volumes "Stevie Prince" Fewer than 10 copies?
Pet Sematary first state Typewritten trade cover fewer than 50 copies
Pet Semetary second state Typeset trade cover
The Plant part 2 green dust jacket over a beige cover
Eyes of the Dragon Philtrum Press HC Designers Proof 1 known copy
Eyes of the Dragon (with packet of art enclosed) olive green cover
The Talisman yellow cover
Thinner ABA edition
Skeleton Crew yellow cover
Skeleton Crew yellow cover w/sticker
The Bachman Books orange cover 200 copies ?
The Plant part 3 green dust jacket over a beige cover
It red cover
It red cover w/sticker
It set of 3 manuscript volumes comb binding (very scarce)
Misery red cover
Misery manuscript comb binding (BMOC) green cover 12 copies?
Dark Tower II: The Drawing of the Three (Plume) First state picture cover
Dark Tower II: The Drawing of the Three (Plume) Second state orange cover
Dark Tower II: The Drawing of the Three (Plume) Third state orange cover with sticker
The Tommyknockers trade cover with gold title
The Tommyknockers manuscript two volumes comb binding (BMOC) 18 copies?
The Tommyknockers manuscript two volumes flat binding
Nightmares in the Sky white cover partial proof
Dark Half white cover with birds
Four Past Midnight grey cover very scarce
Four Past Midnight deep blue cover
Four Past Midnight deep blue cover w/sticker
The Dead Zone (Signet) blue cover
The Uncut Stand white/black trade cover 200 copies
Needful Things
Dark Tower III: The Waste Lands (Grant) white cover with packet of art
Dark Tower III: The Waste Lands (Plume) trade cover
Carrie Plume partial proof four random pages, very rare
Gerald’s Game ABA cardboard slipcase hardcover 2000 copies ?
Gerald’s Game tan cover
Dolores Claiborne white cover
Dolores Claiborne white cover w/sticker
Nightmares and Dreamscapes white cover
Nightmares and Dreamscapes white cover w/sticker
Insomnia trade white with red letters cover
Rose Madder rose cover 10,000 copies?
Green Mile #1 green cover fewer than 15 copies ?
Green Mile #1 signed manuscript contest proof 6 (36?) copies
Green Mile #2 green cover 45 copies ?
Green Mile #3 green cover 45 copies ?
Green Mile #4 green cover 45 copies ?
Green Mile #5 green cover 45 copies ?
Green Mile #6 green cover 10 copies ?
Desperation manuscript two volumes comb binding printed cover and spine(12 copies?)
Desperation manuscript two volumes comb binding white cover and blank spine(12 copies?)
Desperation first state (“Steven”)
Desperation second state (“Stephen”)
Regulators first state
Regulators second state (“A” on spine)
Regulators manuscript spiral bound (12 copies?)
Six Stories Roman numeral 24 copies
Six Stories unnumbered ? copies
Dark Tower IV: Wizard and Glass (Grant) white cover
Dark Tower IV: Wizard and Glass (Plume) trade cover
Bag of Bones trade cover
Bag of Bones Signed trade cover with personalized letter signed by King 100 copies ?
Bag of Bones Large format “Second Draft” white cover with black tape spine
Storm of the Century manuscript white cover w/ black tape spine "For Pocket Eyes Only" very rare
Storm of the Century manuscript white cover with black tape spine
Storm of the Century bound w/trade cover (one known copy)
Girl Who Loved Tom Gordon manuscript with black tape spine 13 copies
New Lieutenant's Rap 24 copies numbered and initialed by Michael Alpert string binding
New Lieutenant's Rap unnumbered unsigned ? copies
Hearts in Atlantis trade cover
Hearts in Atlantis manuscript proof with black tape spine (20 copies in-house only)
On Writing trade cover
Dreamcatcher manuscript white cover with black tape spine
Dreamcatcher blue cover
Black House blue design cover
Black House full proof unbound manuscript
Black House full proof manuscript black descriptive cover with black tape binding
Black House partial proof (first 43 pages with black tape binding)
From a Buick 8 manuscript trade cover with black tape spine
From a Buick 8 blue cover
From a Buick 8 blue cover w/sticker
Everything’s Eventual blue cover
Dark Tower I: Revised Gunslinger tan cover
Dark Tower V: Wolves of the Calla blue cover unbound proof
Dark Tower V: Wolves of the Calla blue cover
Dark Tower V: Wolves of the Calla blue cover w/sticker
Dark Tower V: Wolves of the Calla blue cover with black tape spine (1 known copy)
Dark Tower VI: Song of Susannah blue cover
Dark Tower VI: Song of Susannah blue cover w/sticker
Dark Tower VI: Song of Susannah blue cover with black tape spine
Dark Tower VII: The Dark Tower blue cover
Dark Tower VII: The Dark Tower blue cover with black tape spine (1 known copy)
The Girl Who Loved Tom Gordon pop-up white binder cover
The Girl Who Loved Tom Gordon pop-up partial proof trade cover
The Illustrated Salem’s Lot trade cover
The Colorado Kid unbound proof
Faithful white cover partial manuscript
Faithful white cover full manuscript with picture on first page (cover?)
Cell blue cover very scarce
Lisey's Story red with publisher’s letter cover 7000 copies ?
Secretary of Dreams Volume 1 Unbound proof 1st proof, 2nd proof
Secretary of Dreams Volume 1 Large format gift edition cover
Blaze blue cover
Blaze blue cover w/sticker
Blaze manuscript proof tan cover with black tape spine ($24 price on cover)
Blaze manuscript proof white cover with black tape spine ($25 price on cover)
Blaze manuscript proof white cover with black tape spine ($25 price on cover) w/sticker
Duma Key second draft manuscript with white tape spine (20 copies?)
Duma Key blue cover
Just After Sunset blue cover
Little Sisters of Eluria white cover (1 copy known)
Stephen King Goes to the Movies 8.5x11 bound galley proof wth white tape spine very rare
Under the Dome blue cover
Under the Dome hardcover with "Proof" printed on the back of the dust jacket
Under the Dome second draft manuscript proofs three volumes with black tape spine (very scarce)
Blockade Billy unbound proof (scarce) CP says 2nd printing but actually 1st printing
Blockade Bill white cover (about 16 copies)
Blockade Billy trade cover (about 60 copies)
Riding the Bullet double trade cover (55 copies)
Riding the Bullet CD illustrated cover comb binding (very scarce)
Full Dark, No Stars blue cover
Full Dark, No Stars blue cover w/sticker
Full Dark, No Stars blue cover with white tape spine
Full Dark, No Stars blue cover with white tape spine w/sticker
Full Dark, No Stars blue cover with black tape spine
Full Dark, No Stars Black galley proof (10 copies)
Full Dark, No Stars CD proof trade gift/lettered edition cover art(20 copies)
Full Dark, No Stars CD proof trade signed limited numbered edition cover art (20 copies)
Full Dark, No Stars CD unbound proof scarce 1st proof, 2nd proof, 3rd proof
Full Dark, No Stars CD unbound color proof (1 known copy)
Secretary of Dreams Volume 2 unbound proof 1st proof, 2nd proof, 3rd proof
Secretary of Dreams Volume 2 Large format gift edition cover with number
Secretary of Dreams Volume 2 Large format gift edition cover
11/22/63 blue cover
It: 25th Anniversary Edition unbound proof (scarce) 2nd proof
It: 25th Anniversary Edition unbound color proof (1 known copy)
It: 25th Anniversary Edition red/black cover (10-12 copies)
It: 25th Anniversary Edition CD proof (20 copies)
The Wind Through the Keyhole blue cover
The Wind Through the Keyhole white cover with black taped spine
Battleground trade cover
Joyland trade cover
Ghost Brothers of Darkland County trade cover (includes 2-CD set)
The Dark Man trade cover 200 copies
The Dark Man slipcased trade cover 50 copies
The Dark Man in-house galley black/orange cover 20 copies, 10 of which were actually used
The Dark Man unbound proof unbound 1st proof, 3rd proof
Doctor Sleep CD Gift Edition Advance Review Copy, "Fireface" cover w/yellow bar at top and Doctor Sleep in blue
Doctor Sleep CD Advance Review Copy, "Smokeface" cover w/yellow bar at top and Doctor Sleep in red
Doctor Sleep CD Advance Review Copy, "Half Body" cover with yellow bar at top and Doctor Sleep in red
Doctor Sleep CD unbound proof 2nd proof
Doctor Sleep CD in-house advance uncorrected proof, black cover with "Smokeface", "Printed for internal office purpose only. Not for sale or distribution." on back cover. 20 copies, 10 of which were actually used
The Shining Subterranean Press trade cover 20 copies very scarce
Mr. Mercedes trade cover
Mr. Mercedes trade cover with black tape spine and blank back (1 known copy)
Revival trade cover
Carrie 40th Anniversary edition CD unbound proof 1st proof, 2nd proof
Carrie 40th Anniversary edition CD unbound color proof (1 known copy)
Carrie 40th Anniversary edition CD galley proof with black border
Carrie 40th Anniversary edition CD trade cover
Carrie 40th Anniversary edition CD variant "Door" cover (very scarce)
Faithful Anniversary edition Books to Benefit/CD alternate cover
Faithful Anniversary edition unbound proof (1 known copy)
Finders Keepers white cover with black lettering and binding
Finders Keepers trade cover
The Bazaar of Bad Dreams unbound 2nd draft
The Bazaar of Bad Dreams trade cover
Salem's Lot CD ARC trade cover (about 50)
Salem's Lot CD internal office black cover
End of Watch trade cover
The Shining CD proof trade cover (30 copies)
The Shining CD interoffice proof (20 copies, 10 of which were used)
The Shining CD unbound proof (very scarce)
Gwendy's Button Box trade cover (150 copies)
Gwendy's Button Box trade cover with black cutout overlay - VIP edition (20 copies)
Gwendy's Button Box CD trade cover w/o cutout (one known copy)
Sleeping Beauties Scribner trade art cover
Sleeping Beauties 2 volume set (very scarce)
Sleeping Beauties CD interoffice proof (20 copies, 10 of which were actually used)
Sleeping Beauties CD advance uncorrected proof w/verbiage on back (50 copies)
The Outsider blue cover
Misery Suntup Press blue two-color cover very scarce
Elevation blue cover
Night Shift CD interoffice proof with black border pictorial cover
Night Shift CD pictorial cover
The Institute blue cover
Revival Letterpress trade cover
If It Bleeds blue cover
Later trade cover

UK
Carrie tan cover extremely rare
Carrie off-white cover extremely rare
Salem's Lot tan cover extremely rare
Salem's Lot trade cover w/French flaps one known copy
Night Shift white cover w/French flaps
Stand blank white cover w/French flaps
Dead Zone yellow cover
Cujo trade cover
Danse Macabre
Danse Macabre white cover
Firestarter black cover
Firestarter orange cover one known copy
Christine
Pet Semetary blue cover one known copy
Different Seasons gray decorative cover
Eyes of the Dragon white cover
The Talisman pink cover
Thinner blue cover
Skeleton Crew white cover - one known copy
Skeleton Crew partial proof white cover
Cycle of the Werewolf trade cover extremely scarce
It red cover
Misery blue cover
The Tommyknockers
Gunslinger tan cover Sphere extremely rare
The Dark Half trade cover
Dark Tower II Drawing of the Three Sphere pink cover One known copy
Four Past Midnight unbound proof set blue covers one known copy
Four Past Midnight blue cover unbound manuscript extremely rare
The Uncut Stand full proof red cover very rare 33? copies
The Uncut Stand partial proof blue cover
Twice the Power (Needful Things + Secret Window Secret Garden) black cover
Twice the Power (Needful Things + The Langoliers) black cover one known copy
Needful Things blue spiral binding
Gerald’s Game black cover
Dolores Claiborne white/black trade cover
Nightmares and Dreamscapes
Green Mile 1 : The Two Dead Girls white cover 1 known copy
Green Mile 2 : The Mouse on the Mile white cover
Green Mile 3 : Coffey's Hands white cover 1 known copy
Green Mile 4 : The Bad Death of Eduard Delacroix white cover 1 known copy
Green Mile 5 : Night Journey white cover 1 known copy
Green Mile 6 : Coffey on the Mile white cover 1 known copy
Insomnia blue design cover
Bag of Bones holographic cover w/slipcase
Bag of Bones pale green cover
Bag of Bones gray cover
Hearts in Atlantis Light blue cover
Hearts in Atlantis Royal blue cover
Dreamcatcher trade cover modified
Black House partial proof (first 213 pages with cutout white cover)
From a Buick 8 unused trade cover
From a Buick 8 unused trade cover w/sticker
Dark Tower V: Wolves of the Calla trade cover
Dark Tower V The Return of THE KING promo booklet (very scarce)
Dark Tower VI: Song of Susannah trade cover
Dark Tower VII: The Dark Tower numbered (up to 100) trade cover ("Limted Edition" misspelled on limitation page)
Dark Tower VII The Dark Tower bound manuscript (1 known copy)
Lisey's Story numbered (up to 100) cardboard slipcased black cover
Lisey's Story numbered (from 100 to 231?) black cover
Lisey's Story unnumbered black cover
Colorado Kid (PS Publishing) white design cover
Blaze trade cover partial proof
Duma Key numbered (up to 150) trade cover
Duma Key special edition (10 copies) from poster contest (I haven't seen this one yet)
Just After Sunset trade cover partial proof
Under the Dome numbered (up to 200) blue/black cover, plastic case
Under the Dome promo booklet (very scarce)
Full Dark, No Stars numbered (77 copies) trade cover
11.22.63 numbered (70 copies?) trade cover
11.22.63 numbered (? copies, "Embargoed" statement on each page) trade cover
Doctor Sleep (150 numbered copies, individually addressed to the recipient) black cover with blue band
Revival (200 numbered copies) black/tan cover with blue band
Finders Keepers (500 numbered copies) trade cover
The Bazaar of Bad Dreams (numbered copies) trade cover
Sleeping Beauties (250 numbered copies) black/blue cover
Gwendy's Button Box SST limited cover (12 copies?)
The Outsider trade red cover (200-250 numbered copies)
The Institute black embossed cover
If It Bleeds trade cover (unknown numbered copies)

John


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[Nerak]

Quite impressive list. Now, how many do you own???? :rofl:

[jhanic]

65 US and 32 UK. Just King's books. I also have a goodly number of proofs of anthologies, books about King, etc.

John

[wizardsrainbow]

65 US and 32 UK. Just King's books. I also have a goodly number of proofs of anthologies, books about King, etc.

John


<Wizard kneels humbly before jhanic and hangs his head saying...Master, I am not worthy. :lol: >

John- You are the KING of proofs/arcs!!!

[jhanic]

65 US and 32 UK. Just King's books. I also have a goodly number of proofs of anthologies, books about King, etc.

John


<Wizard kneels humbly before jhanic and hangs his head saying...Master, I am not worthy. :lol: >

John- You are the KING of proofs/arcs!!!

Not really. There are at least five or more collections out there that are better than mine.

John

[Sir_Boomme]

yes.... john is a leader in the proof dept. (though i might not crown him king as long as bob is a player) :)

proofs are the weakest part of my collection...and something that i am going to be working on in the upcoming few years.
i only have 54 U.S. titles and a measily 7 UK titles (4 of which i just added thanks to mike aka. pasiuk)
i do have some anthologies and at least 10 duplicates.
acquiring the rest of the list above should keep me busy for years to come...:excited:
ps. thanks john for gathering the above list...your kind efforts will be costing me lots of $'s in the future i'm sure

[Matt]

Is there anyway I can use that list and the information on it at the Collectors page? I am hoping to buy/sell information out there. :D

[jhanic]

Feel free to copy it over there. Could you send me the link, though, so I can keep it up-to-date? It seems I'm continually finding new volumes.

John

[Matt]

It will just be on the collectors page and I am the only one that can put them out there. If you want to post updates in here I can copy them right over.

Is it okay if I put a link to either PM or email you (some might be looking at it without signing up for the forums so email might work for them)

[shnnrc01]

thanks for the list of proofs jhanic.its my next step into the vast world of collecting king.thats one lot of items thats difficult to get a comprehensive list on the internet of.thats a great proof collection you have.good going.thx again barry.

[jhanic]

It will just be on the collectors page and I am the only one that can put them out there. If you want to post updates in here I can copy them right over.

Is it okay if I put a link to either PM or email you (some might be looking at it without signing up for the forums so email might work for them)

No problem. I'd be glad to help whomever needs it!

John

[Erin]

Um..this is going to seem like a dumb question, but what exactly is a proof and what makes it special?

I'm just starting to learn about all this collecting stuff and terminology.

[jhanic]

A proof, or another term is advance reader copy (ARC), or advance galley proof, is usually a trade-paperback sized softcover edition of a book that is sent to reviewers, etc. before the actual publication of that book.

Because these are generally issued in very small numbers and many are actually used for what they were distributed, they are usually fairly hard to find. The largest edition of a King proof that I know of was the US Rose Madder--10,000 copies--where the actual Rose Madder US edition probably had a first edition first printing of more than a million copies.

These volumes represent the actual first printing of the book. One of the major reasons I like getting them is that, especially in the case of my getting the proof before the book is published, I enjoy reading the story before most other people.

There is no single resource that I know of that catalogues these. That's what I'm trying to do. Accurate information on these is usually VERY hard to get. For example, I emailed the UK publisher of Lisey's Story about their proofs. I got a response saying that all their proofs had been numbered, but one that I'm sure of made it out without a number. I've seen the pictures!

Hope this helps!

John

[Erin]

Thanks John! That helped a ton. :wub: And that's awesome of you to collect information on all the existing proofs out there.

[Cutter]

The largest edition of a King proof that I know of was the US Rose Madder--10,000 copies--where the actual Rose Madder US edition probably had a first edition first printing of more than a million copies.
1,750,000 copies, First Printing to be exact. lol



These volumes represent the actual first printing of the book. One of the major reasons I like getting them is that, especially in the case of my getting the proof before the book is published, I enjoy reading the story before most other people.
Ouch! this is where you and I differ John. I know you expressed that you do not read your limited editions, and now I am to understand you read the proofs. Whereas I like to read my Limited Editions, but I never read a proof. The fact that they are so fragile, being paperbacks and all keeps me away from reading them. So I guess we are opposites in regards to proofs and limited editions. :)

One exception was Joe Hill's heart Shaped box, because the guy who gave it to me wanted a response on how I felt about the book. So I had to read it before the hardcover came out.

[jhanic]

I only read the proofs of the upcoming books. When I get a proof of an earlier book, I carefully bag it, etc. I NEVER read a proof if I have a copy of the book itself.

I have read some of my s/l editions, too. I read my s/l of Eyes of the Dragon when it first came out because, at that time, there was no indication that a trade edition would ever be issued. I also read my s/l editions of Six Stories (when it first came out) and The New Lieutenant's Rap, which has never, and probably will never, be issued in any other format. The story always comes first!

John

[Sir_Boomme]

i differ from both of you...i never read my proofs or my limiteds.
and i always buy 2-3 copies of the hardback firsts.... 1 to read...the others to keep as new. (if i have to, i'll wait until a paperback is realeased).
i have mucho patience ad can't see taking the chance on damaging a three to four digit priced book when the same story can be read in a 10.00 to 25.00 version.
yes.... i am that anal about everything

[Matt]

I'm trying to decide what I would do if I had one. :beat:

[Randall Flagg]

I'm trying to decide what I would do if I had one. :beat:
Just do like a lot of people do-set your wet coffee cup on top of it.:unsure:

[Matt]

:lol:

That would totally be a Mt. Dew in my case. Or some iced tea :orely:

[jhanic]

Updated to add the color of the cover of the Blaze manuscript proof with $25 on the cover. Thanks for the info, Bob!

See below for latest listing.

John

[Matt]

So are these a list of all proofs that are out there...or are available. Or is this just your collection Jon?

I would love to post it on the page if it is simply a list of all the proofs there ever were. :nana:

[jhanic]

I'm trying to make a list of all the proofs that are out there. I do not own all these, but I do have a good majority of them. I'm sure I'm missing some, and I'm also sure that there are errors and omissions above, but it's the best I can do right now.

John

[Matt]

Oh, I think its wonderful.

I was just clarifying the nature of the list in my own mind.

Thanks for posting it out here John

[Pasiuk57]

Boome,

I'm glad you liked the proofs!
I have a lot more for sale too!! Both US and UK.

I have to admit I too do not read the proofs. I too wait for the book to come out to keep them in great shape. I currently have about 137 differnt US proofs and about 45 UK proofs. I'm sure Bob has more!! These are even the ones with King Intros or stories etc in them.

[jhanic]

Here's a picture of my latest "find". The owner is not willing to sell it. He figures it's probably the only one currently in existence. I agree.

The marks are the tape on the plastic bag it's in.

John

[funky dredd]

John is that from the original or the revised?

[jhanic]

That's the original from the UK. Here's the revised US proof from Viking. These are very scarce, too.

John

[Sir_Boomme]

here's a couple of king related proofs....
http://img74.imageshack.us/img74/4426/swinetl1.jpg
http://img74.imageshack.us/img74/1900/z1legaciesonefortheroadas9.jpg
http://img95.imageshack.us/img95/5941/z2midlifeconfidentialnp4.jpg
http://img95.imageshack.us/img95/4640/z2midlifeconfidentialsiwq2.jpg

[funky dredd]

That's the original from the UK. Here's the revised US proof from Viking. These are very scarce, too.

John

What I wouldn't give to have one of those.....

[jhanic]

Updated to list the UK Sphere Gunslinger and the UK unbound manuscript proof of Four Past Midnight.

See the most up-to-date list below.

John

[Matt]

I used the new text wrap option to edit the first post in this thread so it would look good on the Collectors Page (http://www.thedarktower.org/collectors/cmps_index.php) (not actually active yet).

Hope it looks okay :D

[natehorning]

Here are several nice articles about proofs:

http://www.readingbooks.info/Proofs.htm#_ftn6

http://lopezbooks.com/catalog/pr/pr-01.html

[jhanic]

Good articles, Nate. I hadn't seen them before!

John

[jhanic]

The list has been updated to include the proof of Duma Key.

See the most up-to-date list below.


John

[Mr. Rabbit Trick]

The list has been updated to include the proof of Duma Key.

US
Carrie white cover (O50)
Carrie white cover (P6)
Salem’s Lot green cover
Shining blue cover with black tape spine
Night Shift green cover
Stand light brown cover
Dead Zone yellow cover
Firestarter orange cover
Cujo Olive green cover
Danse Macabre orange cover
Dark Tower I: The Gunslinger (Plume) orange cover
Dark Tower I: The Gunslinger (Plume) ARC Variant Cover does not mention any proof or ARC condition
Christine
Pet Sematary first state Typewritten trade cover Fewer than 50 copies
Pet Semetary second state Typeset trade cover
Eyes of the Dragon (with packet of art enclosed) olive green cover
The Talisman yellow cover
The Talisman pink cover
Thinner ABA edition
Skeleton Crew light orange cover
The Bachman Books orange cover 200 copies ?
It red cover
Misery red cover
Dark Tower II: The Drawing of the Three (Plume) First state picture cover
Dark Tower II: The Drawing of the Three (Plume) Second state orange cover
The Tommyknockers trade cover with gold title
Nightmares in the Sky white cover partial proof
Dark Half tan cover with birds
Four Past Midnight blue grey cover
Four Past Midnight deep blue cover
The Dead Zone (Signet) blue cover
The Uncut Stand white/black trade cover 200 copies ?
Needful Things
Dark Tower III: The Waste Lands (Grant) white cover
Dark Tower III: The Waste Lands (Plume) trade cover
Gerald’s Game ABA cardboard slipcase hardcover 2000 copies ?
Gerald’s Game tan cover
Dolores Claiborne tan cover
Nightmares and Dreamscapes white cover
Insomnia trade white with red letters cover
Rose Madder rose cover 10,000 copies?
Green Mile #1 green cover fewer than 15 copies ?
Green Mile #2 green cover 45 copies ?
Green Mile #3 green cover 45 copies ?
Green Mile #4 green cover 45 copies ?
Green Mile #5 green cover 45 copies ?
Green Mile #6 green cover 10 copies ?
Desperation first state (“Steven”)
Desperation second state (“Stephen”)
Regulators first state
Regulators second state (“A” on spine)
Dark Tower IV: Wizard and Glass (Grant) white cover
Dark Tower IV: Wizard and Glass (Plume) trade cover
Bag of Bones trade cover
Bag of Bones Signed trade cover with personalized letter signed by King 100 copies ?
Bag of Bones Large format “Second Draft” white cover with black tape spine
Storm of the Century unbound manuscript
Hearts in Atlantis trade cover
On Writing trade cover
Dreamcatcher blue cover
Black House blue design cover
From a Buick 8 blue cover
Everything’s Eventual blue cover
Dark Tower I: Revised Gunslinger tan cover
Dark Tower V: Wolves of the Calla blue cover
Dark Tower VI: Song of Susannah blue cover
Dark Tower VI: Song of Susannah blue cover with black tape spine
Dark Tower VII: The Dark Tower blue cover
The Girl Who Loved Tom Gordon pop-up white binder cover
The Girl Who Loved Tom Gordon pop-up partial proof trade cover
The Illustrated Salem’s Lot trade cover
Cell blue cover
Lisey's Story red with publisher’s letter cover 7000 copies ?
Secretary of Dreams Large format gift edition cover
Blaze blue cover
Blaze manuscript proof tan cover with black tape spine ($24 price on cover)
Blaze manuscript proof white cover with black tape spine ($25 price on cover)
Duma Key blue cover

UK
Cujo trade cover
Firestarter black cover
Christine
Eyes of the Dragon white cover
Thinner blue cover
Skeleton Crew partial proof white cover
It red cover
Misery blue cover
The Tommyknockers
Gunslinger tan cover Sphere extremely rare
The Dark Half trade cover
Four Past Midnight blue cover unbound manuscript extremely rare
The Uncut Stand full proof red cover
The Uncut Stand partial proof blue cover
Twice the Power (Needful Things + Secret Window Secret Garden) black cover
Gerald’s Game black cover
Dolores Claiborne white/black trade cover
Nightmares and Dreamscapes
Green Mile 2 : The Mouse on the Mile white cover
Insomnia blue design cover
Bag of Bones holographic cover w/slipcase
Bag of Bones pale green cover
Bag of Bones gray cover
Hearts in Atlantis Light blue cover
Hearts in Atlantis Royal blue cover
Dreamcatcher trade cover modified
Black House full proof unbound manuscript
Black House partial proof (first 213 pages with cutout white cover)
From a Buick 8 unused trade cover
Everything’s Eventual
Dark Tower V: Wolves of the Calla trade cover
Dark Tower VI: Song of Susannah trade cover
Dark Tower VII: The Dark Tower numbered (up to 100) trade cover
Lisey's Story numbered (up to 100) cardboard slipcased black cover
Lisey's Story numbered (from 100 to 200?) black cover
Lisey's Story unnumbered black cover
Colorado Kid (PS Publishing) white design cover


John

That's an amazing collection John. Well impressed. :clap:

[herbertwest]

Duma (http://cgi.ebay.com/Stephen-King-DUMA-KEY-arc-1-2008_W0QQitemZ260186107534QQihZ016QQcategoryZ377QQ ssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem) KEY : Arc
finishing in something like 13hours... quite cheap now !

[jhanic]

See below for an updated listing.

John

[herbertwest]

there will also be 10 special edition proof, from the contest stephenking.co.uk

[jhanic]

Geez, I wish I had some artistic talent so I could at least try to enter the contest. Oh, well.

John

[herbertwest]

The dateline was supposed to be the 7th of december, but the submission form is still online...

[Spencer]

I've got The Drawing of the Three black cover with orange/reddish Roland pic, (with the publisher's letter), and a well used DTVII, and that's it. :lol:

[Ari_Racing]

I submiteed a work to that contest :)

[herbertwest]

You win quite oftenly at contest, so I will not be surprised if you'll be among the top 10... ;-)

[Ari_Racing]

I wanna be the star prize winner! :)

[jhanic]

Whoever wins, I'm interested in purchasing the advance copy that is one of the prizes. If anyone wants to sell theirs. (I know I wouldn't, but it can't hurt to ask!):thumbsup:

John

[jhanic]

Udated to include the BMOC proofs of Misery and The Tommyknockers.

See below for updated listing.

John

[Randall Flagg]

Does anyone wnat to go to the trouble to scan the face, spine and rear of all (U.S to start) the proofs to create a catalog?
I am willing to help with posting the pics, but alas, I own only 1 or 2 proofs.
John?
Are you there?

Hint hint.

[NeedfulKings]

Ooooh, I own more proofs than Jerome! ;) I'll trade a couple of them for that big screen TeeVee!!! :P

I think the catalog is a great idea, but I'm in the same boat as you--way too few proofs. And likely nothing that John or SirBoomme don't have.

Would it be possible to estimate print runs of each one???

[jhanic]

I'd like to help, but I just don't have the time to do all the ones needed. I have scanned MOST of the front covers of the proofs I own, but not the spines or backs. I can email the ones I've done to whomever, but it will take quite a bit of time to do the rest. I have posted some of the front covers in the Gallery already. Either PM or email me if you want.

John

[Randall Flagg]

We can always start with the front cover. At any time additional images can be added.
I just think it would add the the site to have a Proof catalog.
The only other bug in the soup issue is that whomever submits the scans needs to help by providing the basic info-Title, pub year, etc. etc.
No need to rush, but it would be/will be another valuable addition to the site.

[NeedfulKings]

I do have a scanner and 9 or 10 proofs/arcs, etc. If I can find time, I'll help you out.

In fact, put me down for:

On Writing ( Scribners ARC in pictoral wraps)
Hearts In Atlantis (Scribners ARC in pictoral wraps)
Bag of Bones (Scribners ARC in pictoral wraps)
Rose Madder (Viking Proof in maroon wraps)
From a Buick 8 (Scribners Proof in light blue wraps)
Desperations (Viking Proof in white wraps *with Steven King*)
Insomnia (Viking Proof in red and white wraps)
Wizard and Glass (Grant proof in white wraps *excluding art*)
Lisey's Story (Scribners ARC in wraps with facsimile letter on front)

and if you want:

Prime Evil (NAL ARC in black wraps)

I'll get these in the next few weeks (I'll be in Hawaii late next week).

Do you think we need a scan of the back, if it's completely blank????

[Randall Flagg]

Let's just start with the front and brief description.

[Sir_Boomme]

Let's just start with the front and brief description.

i already have front scans of all of my proofs and back scans of a few... but i don't know if i have the time right now to add the descripts.
i need to update ( i have several books including some proofs that i need to add...will do so this weekend)

you can view/snag the proof scans from my photobucket

sir_boommes bucket of books (http://s268.photobucket.com/albums/jj13/sir_boomme/)

click the proof folder (sk1)
my 1st editions -US and UK (complete sets)
limiteds, mags,compilations,artwork, etc can be found in the other folders if you're so inclined to look.

[NeedfulKings]

How rare is the Random House uncorrected proof of Black House??? Anyone guess what the market value would be?

[jhanic]

It's not the scarcest of King's US proofs, but it should still go in the $200-300 range.

John

[Ari_Racing]

A nightmares and dreamscapes one went for less than 30 dollars yesterday

I forgot to bid. :(

[natehorning]

A nightmares and dreamscapes one went for less than 30 dollars yesterday

I forgot to bid. :(

It was in really worn condition though. Not a true example of current pricing in my opinion.


Nate

[NeedfulKings]

Yes, I believe it had some serious water damage. I'll hold out for a better copy.

Thanks, John. Proofs are so hard to judge, because we don't know the exact print run on many of them.

[jhanic]

I just won two proof promo dust jackets for a very nice price:

Promo dust jackets (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=280190135023&ssPageName=STRK:MEWA:IT&ih=018)

John

[Ari_Racing]

Congratulations john!

[Randall Flagg]

Excellent aquisition John.

[NeedfulKings]

I just won two proof promo dust jackets for a very nice price:

Promo dust jackets (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=280190135023&ssPageName=STRK:MEWA:IT&ih=018)

John

I saw those, John and was glad you got 'em. The seller's story was interesting as well.

[Sir_Boomme]

I just won two proof promo dust jackets for a very nice price:

Promo dust jackets (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=280190135023&ssPageName=STRK:MEWA:IT&ih=018)

John


thanks for pointing out these john, i snagged the other two he had (though i had to pay 12 cents more for mine darn it) :lol:

[herbertwest]

the same seller have 2 more of those DJ, + First Appearance Stephen King Everything's Eventual + a Rare Stephen King Dark Tower Wizard and Glass Promo (first 2 chapters book) (extremely cheap BUY IT NOW Price!)

[jhanic]

He's got another set up now with a BIN of $30.

Proof djs (http://cgi.ebay.com/Rare-Stephen-King-Bachman-Promo-Proof-Dust-Jackets_W0QQitemZ280192254073QQihZ018QQcategoryZ37 7QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem)

John

[carlosdetweiller]

He's got another set up now with a BIN of $30.

Proof djs (http://cgi.ebay.com/Rare-Stephen-King-Bachman-Promo-Proof-Dust-Jackets_W0QQitemZ280192254073QQihZ018QQcategoryZ37 7QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem)

John

He must be sitting on a stack of those dj's. I got a set too.

[Ari_Racing]

Congratulations.

Bob, we're all waiting for you to start your Collection photo thread! :)

[Cutter]

Congratulations.

Bob, we're all waiting for you to start your Collection photo thread! :)
I second that, I would love to see what all Bob has! :excited:

[Mr. Rabbit Trick]

Stephen King BLOW OUT SALE - 26 PROOFS & ARCS CHEAP

Critical Path are selling a lot of 26 proofs in NF+ to VF condition.

http://cgi.ebay.com/Stephen-King-BLOW-OUT-SALE-26-PROOFS-ARCS-CHEAP_W0QQitemZ110212840315QQihZ001QQcategoryZ2922 3QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

I wonder if I should start a proof collection?

[jhanic]

It's not a bad price for what you get, if no-one goes much higher. The four Green Mile proofs go for about $200 each anyway.

There's only one proof in the whole thing that I don't have--the Gallery of Horror one--so I'm not interested for myself.

I can think of worse ways for starting!

John

[Cutter]

It would be worth it for a newbie. As of now it's under $50.00 per proof, and they look to be in great shape.

[wizardsrainbow]

Congratulations.

Bob, we're all waiting for you to start your Collection photo thread! :)
I second that, I would love to see what all Bob has! :excited:


I would say yes too, but I think the site would explode! :onfire: Either that, or we would all die of heart failure and there would be no one left to enjoy them.

Ah, what the heck, bring 'em on!

[NeedfulKings]

Stephen King BLOW OUT SALE - 26 PROOFS & ARCS CHEAP

Critical Path are selling a lot of 26 proofs in NF+ to VF condition.

http://cgi.ebay.com/Stephen-King-BLOW-OUT-SALE-26-PROOFS-ARCS-CHEAP_W0QQitemZ110212840315QQihZ001QQcategoryZ2922 3QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

I wonder if I should start a proof collection?

It would be a fast start! Most of those I don't have. Oh, I also don't have $1000.00!!! :panic:

I'll build my collection one piece at a time. ;)

[shnnrc01]

c'mon john and melt down the site.show us your collection!!!!

[Patrick]

Stephen King BLOW OUT SALE - 26 PROOFS & ARCS CHEAP

Critical Path are selling a lot of 26 proofs in NF+ to VF condition.

http://cgi.ebay.com/Stephen-King-BLOW-OUT-SALE-26-PROOFS-ARCS-CHEAP_W0QQitemZ110212840315QQihZ001QQcategoryZ2922 3QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

I wonder if I should start a proof collection?

It would be a fast start! Most of those I don't have. Oh, I also don't have $1000.00!!! :panic:

I'll build my collection one piece at a time. ;)
The problem, Bill, is that you put in all those zeros. Try saying this:


It would be a fast start! Most of those I don't have. Oh, I think I can scrounge up a measly $1k.

Isn't that better now?

[NeedfulKings]

:nope: :nope: :nope: :nope:

Didn't work. Maybe if I put the zero's BEFORE the one! As in:

.0001K

Yeah, I can do that!!! :evil:

[wizardsrainbow]

:lol: That's good!

[jhanic]

Updated to correct the type of binding for the manuscript versions of The Tommyknockers and Misery and to add the manuscript version of Desperation. I just noticed this version of Desperation on Barry R. Levin's site and then found it as one of Betts Books' Chris Cavalier listings. I've never seen this version.

See post on 2/14/08 for updated listing.

John

[namelessnpoor]

Wasn't sure where to post this so i started here, if someone thinks it should be moved, feel free to move it or ask me to move it.

Trying to figure out which way to go with my collecting. Should i go with proofs/arcs or with UK firsts? I have a few of each, but i want to pick one to work on consistently. I have all the US firsts, a few signed ones here and there and a few S/L. The S/L don't really interest me anymore, especially the newer ones, there are a few older ones i want to get but i am not going to concentrate on those, if the opportunity arises i may take it though.
here what i have as far as proofs and Uk firsts


Proofs
Dark Tower 2 -7 (3-7 all signed by Darrel Anderson)
Rose Madder
Four Past Midnight
Insomnia
Needful Things
The Dark Half
Bag of Bones
Hearts in Atlantis
Desperation
From a Buick 8
The Girl Who Loved Tom Gordon (small ARC with 3 pop-ups)
The Girl Who Loved Tom Gordon (full dummy proof, white)
The Dead Zone
Eyes of the Dragon
On Writing
Twice the Power (UK proof, 1 of 40 or so ? )
Hearts in Atlantis (UK proof)
Lisey’s Story (with notebook)



U.K. First Editions
Four Past Midnight
The Girl Who Loved Tom Gordon
Hearts in Atlantis
Umney’s Last Case
Eyes of the Dragon
Nightmares and Dreamscapes
Needful Things
From a Buick 8
Dolores Claiborne
Black House (white lettering black background)
Black House (black lettering white background)
Everything’s Eventual
Desperation
Regulators
Insomnia
Gerald’s Game
The Dark Half
On Writing
Cujo
Dreamcatcher
Rose Madder
Rose Madder (with page marker)
DT 1
DT 2
DT 3
DT 4
DT 5
DT 6
DT 7

Just curious what you all think, Let me know !!!!!!
thanks

[Matt]

Very impressive set you have there nameless. If it were me, I would start with the 1sts (which I am doing now) then branch out to others.

[Cutter]

I would go with First UK Editions, because it will be cheaper and easier to accomplish. In fact its pretty much impossible to get all the UK and US proofs, plus the Doubleday proofs are very rare and very expensive, and all will cost more than a first UK of Carrie. Besides a lot of the UK covers are better than the US covers, so they're pretty cool. :)

[carlosdetweiller]

Trying to figure out which way to go with my collecting. Should i go with proofs/arcs or with UK firsts? I have a few of each, but i want to pick one to work on consistently.

Just curious what you all think, Let me know !!!!!!
thanks

Which do YOU like best? Proofs or firsts? The answer to your question probably lies there. Collect what you like best. You'll never go wrong doing that.

As someone else has already pointed out it is possible to complete a collection of UK first trade editions. It is probably not possible to get a complete set of proofs. I know of only one US CARRIE proof and I don't have it. I also know of only one set of UK proofs of King's first five books. I don't have them either.

[Ari_Racing]

There's also the chance that one of the proofs no longer exists. If you think that it's usually printed in a very cheap paper, and Carrie is 33 years old already (almost 34), if a very few were printed and probably went to the garbage at that moment...there's the small chance that a determinated proof no longer exists.
:(

[Matt]

Trying to figure out which way to go with my collecting. Should i go with proofs/arcs or with UK firsts? I have a few of each, but i want to pick one to work on consistently.

Just curious what you all think, Let me know !!!!!!
thanks

Which do YOU like best? Proofs or firsts? The answer to your question probably lies there. Collect what you like best. You'll never go wrong doing that.

As someone else has already pointed out it is possible to complete a collection of UK first trade editions. It is probably not possible to get a complete set of proofs. I know of only one US CARRIE proof and I don't have it. I also know of only one set of UK proofs of King's first five books. I don't have them either.

I'm in a mushy mood.

The above is amazing advice and I'd just like to point out how lucky we are to have this kind of insight provided to us here. Thanks so much Bob

[Cutter]

I'm in a mushy mood.

The above is amazing advice and I'd just like to point out how lucky we are to have this kind of insight provided to us here. Thanks so much Bob

mushy smushy, just go ahead and ignore Ari and my posts and put all the praise on Bob the super collector. :arg:


just kidding, lol

[Matt]

You know its all you guys I love. I think I have learned more from you than 12 years of school :lol:

About stuff thats actually important anyway.

[Randall Flagg]

I agree, to start with what you like best, but the caveat being proofs and how difficult it is to collect every single one.
The UK Firsts is a great idea.
You could also do 90% of the US trades for reasonable prices each-as long as you settle for copies that are in VG condition. If you try to get them all in Near Fine condition, you have greatly increased your challenge (price).

[NeedfulKings]

It took me several years to get the 1st US editions that I own. I'm typically thrifty, so tried to be patient and wait for the good deals on the near fine copies. If you do settle for a less than fine copy, that's okay-- you can upgrade later. Just try not to upgrade too many times! :)

I own trade editions of SK's first 4 books, but not First Editions. I'll just keep looking. It felt good to finally get rid of my BCE's.

As for proofs, I don't actively look, but I keep my eyes open. I've got a whole lifetime to fill my collection. There's no hurry.

[Matt]

Question:

Whats the difference between a trade edition and a first edition?

And mainly, what is the one I bought at WalMart the day after it came out? :lol:

[NeedfulKings]

I consider a trade edition as one that's NOT a book club edition. So, it will have a publisher's price on the dust jacket and usually a printing history (number line).

[Randall Flagg]

A trade is typically the first edition of the book, usually in hardback, and having a price on the DJ. A 1st edition 1st printing of a trade is what collectors seek. Duma Key was issued as a trade hardback. The first books were 1st printings, thus they had a numberline beginning with "1".
It looks like this: 1 3 5 7 9 10 8 6 4 2

I have heard the book is now out in a second printing. The second printing is much less desirable to a collector (almost worthless), even if signed by King, than the exact same book that is a 1st printing.

All of the Bachman books were first issued as Trade Paperbacks.

[Mr. Rabbit Trick]

I know of only one US CARRIE proof and I don't have it.


I have seen a few for sale. In fact, there is a Carrie white cover (O50) on ABE right now.

http://www.abebooks.co.uk/servlet/BookDetailsPL?bi=198337558&tab=1&searchurl=an%3Dstephen%2Bking%26bi%3Ds%26bx%3Doff% 26ds%3D30%26fe%3Don%26sortby%3D3%26sts%3Dt%26tn%3D carrie%26x%3D58%26y%3D13%26yrh%3D1975

[carlosdetweiller]

I know of only one US CARRIE proof and I don't have it.


I have seen a few for sale. In fact, there is a Carrie white cover (O50) on ABE right now.

http://www.abebooks.co.uk/servlet/BookDetailsPL?bi=198337558&tab=1&searchurl=an%3Dstephen%2Bking%26bi%3Ds%26bx%3Doff% 26ds%3D30%26fe%3Don%26sortby%3D3%26sts%3Dt%26tn%3D carrie%26x%3D58%26y%3D13%26yrh%3D1975

That is not the proof. That is an advance reading copy. It is the approximate size of the finished book. The proof is taller (oblong, I guess) and is consistent in size with the other Doubleday proofs of King's first four books. It is exceedingly scarce and I've never even seen a picture of one. I just know of a collector who is supposed to have one (and I have no reason to doubt that information).

Doubleday felt they had something special with CARRIE and did a pretty big promotional campaign to include sending out the white ARC's. They state on the cover "Special Edition - Not for Sale" or something like that. They are actually pretty common and are definitely a separate edition from the real "Advance Uncorrected Proof."

[Mr. Rabbit Trick]

That is not the proof. That is an advance reading copy. It is the approximate size of the finished book. The proof is taller (oblong, I guess) and is consistent in size with the other Doubleday proofs of King's first four books. It is exceedingly scarce and I've never even seen a picture of one. I just know of a collector who is supposed to have one (and I have no reason to doubt that information).

Doubleday felt they had something special with CARRIE and did a pretty big promotional campaign to include sending out the white ARC's. They state on the cover "Special Edition - Not for Sale" or something like that. They are actually pretty common and are definitely a separate edition from the real "Advance Uncorrected Proof."

Thanks for that info. I do not know much about ARCs and Proofs as you can probably tell. I thought they were the same thing. I have seen several Carrie ARCs for sale and not Proofs.

Maybe the list of Proofs should be seperated into ARCs and Proofs. Thoughts anyone?

[carlosdetweiller]

I have seen several Carrie ARCs for sale and not Proofs.



It's a common mistake. As far as I know CARRIE is the only one of the first five Doubleday books to have both a proof state and an ARC. The proof is virtually unobtainable so the ARC is the earliest state that most collectors (including me) can hope to obtain.

[Cutter]

I have seen several Carrie ARCs for sale and not Proofs.



It's a common mistake. As far as I know CARRIE is the only one of the first five Doubleday books to have both a proof state and an ARC. The proof is virtually unobtainable so the ARC is the earliest state that most collectors (including me) can hope to obtain.
Could we see a picture of this book Bob? The fact it's white throws me off, I would be interested in seeing it, so if I ever had an inkling to buy one I would know what to look for.

[Randall Flagg]

Bob said it was scarce, and has never seen a picture of one, and does not himself have one.

[Cutter]

Bob said it was scarce, and has never seen a picture of one, and does not himself have one.
No I'm talking about the White ARC, which he said he has. Not the proof.

[wizardsrainbow]

Geoff-

Here is the front cover of the Carrie ARC.

http://www.thedarktower.org/gallery/data/519/medium/Carrie_Proof_Cover.JPG

[wizardsrainbow]

Back cover (sorry for the shadows)

http://www.thedarktower.org/gallery/data/519/medium/Carrie_ARC_Back_Cover.JPG

[wizardsrainbow]

And publisher's letter

http://www.thedarktower.org/gallery/data/519/medium/Carrie_Proof_Letter.JPG

[Randall Flagg]

Bob said it was scarce, and has never seen a picture of one, and does not himself have one.
No I'm talking about the White ARC, which he said he has. Not the proof.
Sorry. My mistake.

[Cutter]

Bob said it was scarce, and has never seen a picture of one, and does not himself have one.
No I'm talking about the White ARC, which he said he has. Not the proof.
Sorry. My mistake.

no prob. :)

Thanks Wiz, yea I thought I had seen this before. Interesting that there was a ARC and a tall proof.

[Mr. Rabbit Trick]

Thanks for the pics Wiz. That's the one I've seen several of for sale.

Reading the last few posts, it looks like I'm not the only one confused about proofs/ARCs. Could the experts give us more guidance on these. Much like the help we had on blues/F&Gs. Could we have seperate lists/info of proofs and ARCs?

Over to you John/Bob/Jerome et al....

Remember this info will still be logged here on this site for our kids (the new Super Collectors) to reference in the decades to come. (after they have raped our collections to pay for their Soylent Green habit). :unsure:

[Randall Flagg]

An excellent reference is here (http://lopezbooks.com/articles/first.html)

a few brief excerpts:




Galleys - Galley proofs, or galleys, are long sheets taken directly from the printer's tray. They generally contain about three pages' worth of type, and are printed on one side only. Only a few copies of the galleys are pulled, for use by the author for final corrections and for the publisher's in-house use. They are an early state and exceptionally scarce. One thing to watch out for: some publishers, sales reps, and even book dealers, will use "galleys" interchangeably with "proofs" (see below). If someone says "galleys," find out: do they actually mean long galley sheets, which are exceptionally rare, or just proofs, which are considerably more common? "f & g's" (folded and gathered sheets) - The gatherings, or signatures, of the finished book, but unbound, loosely laid together, sometimes laid into a dust jacket or proof dust jacket. An intermediate state between the proof and the finished, bound book; usually only a handful of such sets are pulled from the production process, for in-house use or distribution.

Proofs - Generally a plainly printed softbound copy of a book, issued well in advance of publication, for early readers: writers from whom "blurbs" are solicited; buyers for major bookstores, chains or wholesalers; reviewers for magazines and, sometimes, newspapers. Pagination often differs from the final book; page numbers are sometimes not typeset; often the publisher staples or tapes publication information or promotional material to the front cover or inside the front cover. Sometimes there are considerable textual changes between the proofs of a book and the final published version. Carter distinguishes between "first proofs and "revised proofs" but this is not a general practice of the U.S. publishing industry, except to the extent that "galleys" are done.


Advance reading copy - This denotes a prepublication softcover copy which generally has glossy covers, finished artwork and a visual appeal well beyond that of proof copies. They are used for promotional purposes primarily, given away at publishers' book fairs, and so forth. They are not to be confused with: Advance review copy or just review copy - This is a regular copy of the book -- the finished, published book, complete with hardcovers -- into which the publisher has inserted some ephemeral promotional material. It can be as little as a slip giving the date of publication or can include such things as an author photograph (or other photographs), biographical material about the author, blurbs and early comments on the book, comments on the author's earlier works, etc. The range of possible material is vast but the important thing is to recognize that "advance review copy" means a copy of the published edition (the "trade edition," see below) with extra material laid in, whereas "advance reading copy" indicates a special edition, generally softcover, which was never formally published or offered for sale -- a completely different item than a "review copy."

[Mr. Rabbit Trick]

An excellent reference is here (http://lopezbooks.com/articles/first.html)


Thanks for the link RF. I will digest it better tomorrow. I better get off to bed as it's Valentine's Day here, and I can hear a lonely voice calling..... :excited:

[Sir_Boomme]

i believe the "dodo bird" carrie proof that bob refers to would be the "galley" proof state for in house only usage, as i believe all the tall oblong doubleday proofs were.
feel free to correct me bob if i am wrong.

[carlosdetweiller]

i believe the "dodo bird" carrie proof that bob refers to would be the "galley" proof state for in house only usage, as i believe all the tall oblong doubleday proofs were.
feel free to correct me bob if i am wrong.

I think that is correct, although I don't think they were strictly for in house use. A few copies of the galley proofs of THE SHINING and NIGHT SHIFT have had the little publicity notes pasted to the front cover. So some were sent out to reviewers.

[Patrick]

Once again, the wealth of information around here amazes me.


Every time I read this thread I have tell myself, "Don't start collecting proofs and ARCs, don't start collecting proofs and ARCs..."

[jhanic]

Trying to figure out which way to go with my collecting. Should i go with proofs/arcs or with UK firsts? I have a few of each, but i want to pick one to work on consistently. Just curious what you all think, Let me know !!!!!!
thanks

Hi Rusty,

I'd like to throw my two cents in the ring here.

When you collect firsts (whether US or UK), you know exactly what you are looking for. The information regarding the firsts is fairly easily obtained. And when you've gotten them all, that's it.

When you collect ARCs/proofs, the information on those is much scarcer. And there may always be a state that's out there that you didn't know existed. For example, carlosdetweiller has a US proof of Song of Susannah that has a black tape binding. His is the only one of these I've even heard of, yet alone seen. Likewise the current discussion in another thread (Your New Pride and Joy) of the contest awards of The Green Mile signed manuscript proofs. Until I had read Randall Flagg's link to the description of the contest, I didn't know that those existed other than for the #1 book. I still haven't seen one of the others, although carlos may have one or more of the others. This gives the collecting of the ARCs/proofs an air of mystery and the "hunt" that I really enjoy.

John

[carlosdetweiller]

Actually, John, I'm not the one with the black tape spine edition of Song of Susannah. I think it is hutch, but I'm not sure. But the points you make are well taken. Books go through so many forms on their way from manuscript to final trade edition that there must be odd-ball editions for most every book that we collectors rarely see.

As you point out, something new always seems to be showing up. Like that trade paperback ARC of the 1978 UK edition of THE STAND I got several months ago. 30 years old and no collector that I've talked to knew of its existence. And the UK BAG OF BONES that has three separate proof states. And countless other examples. And who knows what tomorrow will bring?

[CRinVA]

Actually, John, I'm not the one with the black tape spine edition of Song of Susannah. I think it is hutch, but I'm not sure. But the points you make are well taken. Books go through so many forms on their way from manuscript to final trade edition that there must be odd-ball editions for most every book that we collectors rarely see.

As you point out, something new always seems to be showing up. Like that trade paperback ARC of the 1978 UK edition of THE STAND I got several months ago. 30 years old and no collector that I've talked to knew of its existence. And the UK BAG OF BONES that has three separate proof states. And countless other examples. And who knows what tomorrow will bring?


All of this is good reason why I do not collect Proofs/ARCs/Galeys/etc.....

I'll die happy once I have a complete set of First Editions. Anything else (ie proofs, signed books, old magazines, S/Ls, rareties, one of a kinds) is icing on the cake! :thumbsup:

[carlosdetweiller]

Here are some examples of some different, rarely seen pre-publication states.

The first is a partial manuscript state of BLACK HOUSE. It reproduces the first 46 pages of the original manuscript. Bound with a black tape spine. It has publication data and promotional (selling) points on the front cover so it wasn't strictly for in house use.

I bought this on eBay prior to the book's release and have never seen another.

http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/bb54/carlosdetweiller/blackhousepartialmanuscript.jpg

The first page:

http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/bb54/carlosdetweiller/blackhousepartialmanuscript1stpage.jpg

[Fsmdr]

Question to the ARC/proof collectors here. Do you also collect signed copies of these?. I'm sure they are a lot harder to find than Signed trade 1st. How rare is it to find signed ARC/proofs?.

[carlosdetweiller]

Similarly, but later in the publication process, here is the full book again bound with a black tape spine and having promotional information on the front cover. This must have been for sales reps but I really have no idea. This does not reproduce the original manuscript pages but utilizes "first pass pages."

Chris Cavalier outbid me for this on eBay prior to the book's publication but I got it from him when he sold his collection. Again, I have never seen another.

http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/bb54/carlosdetweiller/blackhousefullmanuscript.jpg

The first page:

http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/bb54/carlosdetweiller/blackhousefullmanuscript1stpage.jpg

[carlosdetweiller]

Lastly, here are the relatively common US proof and partial UK proof.

I suspect that most, if not all, books go through a similar process of different pre-publication states.

http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/bb54/carlosdetweiller/blackhouseUSUKproofs.jpg

[jhanic]

I have an unbound copy of the complete manuscript of the Hodder Black House, unfortunately missing the very first page, that I got from Chris Cavalier's collection via Betts.

John

[carlosdetweiller]

All of this is good reason why I do not collect Proofs/ARCs/Galeys/etc.....



As Manfred Mann sings in "Blinded By The Light" -- "But mama, that's where the fun is!"

[carlosdetweiller]

I have an unbound copy of the complete manuscript of the Hodder Black House, unfortunately missing the very first page, that I got from Chris Cavalier's collection via Betts.

John

Photocopies, right?

[jhanic]

Question to the ARC/proof collectors here. Do you also collect signed copies of these?. I'm sure they are a lot harder to find than Signed trade 1st. How rare is it to find signed ARC/proofs?.

Other than the ones that were issued as signed proofs (ie, The Green Mile contest proof), signed proofs are very, very scarce. I do not own any (again, other than The Green Mile contest proof). I know wizard's rainbow owns a signed copy of the UK Dark Tower VII proof that he had autographed at a signing. I assume carlosdetweiller also has one or more.

I have heard that King does not like to sign proofs at his signings. I don't know just how strict he is on this, though.

I do know that some signed proofs show up on eBay occasionally, but I wouldn't trust those unless I knew and trusted the seller.

John

[jhanic]

I have an unbound copy of the complete manuscript of the Hodder Black House, unfortunately missing the very first page, that I got from Chris Cavalier's collection via Betts.

John

Photocopies, right?

I assume so. Cost was relatively inexpensive.

John

[carlosdetweiller]

I have an unbound copy of the complete manuscript of the Hodder Black House, unfortunately missing the very first page, that I got from Chris Cavalier's collection via Betts.

John

Photocopies, right?

I assume so. Cost was relatively inexpensive.

John


Got pics?

[carlosdetweiller]

I have heard that King does not like to sign proofs at his signings. I don't know just how strict he is on this, though.



I've not heard that. I know that Chris Cavalier got his proofs of THE SHINING and NIGHT SHIFT signed at the Betts signing in 1998.

That's the only signing I have been to but I have heard that King basically signs pretty much anything put in front of him. The bookstore employees generally move up and down the signing line telling people a bunch of rules (or so I've heard) but when you finally get to King he is usually pretty accommodating.

[jhanic]

None handy. I'll have to dig it out and scan the first couple pages that I have.

John

[Mr. Rabbit Trick]

That's the only signing I have been to but I have heard that King basically signs pretty much anything put in front of him. The bookstore employees generally move up and down the signing line telling people a bunch of rules (or so I've heard) but when you finally get to King he is usually pretty accommodating.

That's how I've found signings with King. He has signed some obscure items for me witout question. Apart from "Twice the Power". He said, "What the f*ck's this?" and then signed it when he realised what it was.

[jhanic]

I stand corrected. I must have gotten King messed up in my head with some other author. I've never been able to attend any of his signings.

John

[carlosdetweiller]

At the Betts signing in 1998 King signed some girl's leg. She was going to get the sig tatooed later that evening. I always thought if he would sign legs he would probably sign anything.

[Sir_Boomme]

Question to the ARC/proof collectors here. Do you also collect signed copies of these?. I'm sure they are a lot harder to find than Signed trade 1st. How rare is it to find signed ARC/proofs?.

i have a few signed proofs... but they are much rarer than signed firsts.... i pretty much only collect signed limiteds now if i am going for a signed book.

this... appropriately....was my first signed book, and my first purchase of many to come from stu at betts. when i graduated with my engineering degree in 1999, this is the first thing i saved up to buy with my new found "wealth".
if you want to see my other signed proofs... just click the boommes bucket of books link below and go to the proof section of my collection.
http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj13/sir_boomme/sk1-Proofs/A0c-Carrie_sign.jpg

[jhanic]

At the Betts signing in 1998 King signed some girl's leg. She was going to get the sig tatooed later that evening. I always thought if he would sign legs he would probably sign anything.

You mean to say you didn't tan that hide and keep it for your collection?? :unsure: :P

John

[Sir_Boomme]

john, i'm surprised too,... bob's always got a leg up on everyone else.

[Darkthoughts]

:lol: That was terrible!

[carlosdetweiller]

At the Betts signing in 1998 King signed some girl's leg. She was going to get the sig tatooed later that evening. I always thought if he would sign legs he would probably sign anything.

You mean to say you didn't tan that hide and keep it for your collection?? :unsure: :P

John


Well, my wife was with me......

[Sir_Boomme]

At the Betts signing in 1998 King signed some girl's leg. She was going to get the sig tatooed later that evening. I always thought if he would sign legs he would probably sign anything.

You mean to say you didn't tan that hide and keep it for your collection?? :unsure: :P

John


Well, my wife was with me......

and what was wrong with her legs...? i personally would have chosen a different body part if it were my gal.

[jhanic]

Updated to add the signed contest manuscript proof of Green Mile #1 and the UK Dead Zone proof. (Thanks, Hutch!)

See 02-17-08 for updated listing.

John

[Fsmdr]

That list of John's makes my head spin!. So does the signed Carrie by Sir Boomme.

I just won a Bag of Bones, UK ARC with King's sig on it. It was signed at a launch party held at the Royal College of Art. The scan of the sig from the seller looks good to me. We'll see when I gets it. That makes my total number of ARC I own to a grand total of 1 :blush:

[Randall Flagg]

That makes my total number of ARC I own to a grand total of 1 :blush:

Every obsession..er, uh collection starts with the first.

[Hutch]

That makes my total number of ARC I own to a grand total of 1 :blush:

Every obsession..er, uh collection starts with the first.

What.. no UK dead Zone? John is the list a list of proofs you own?

[Brice]

I believe the list is of ones he knows of.

[Sir_Boomme]

ok... i know i should remember this....
on the carrie arc in the proof list above...

i know the 1st edition hardback has a code p6... but
i've never seen a P6 ARC for sale.... anyone have one? bob?
(mine's a code 050)

was the code p6 version or the 050 version issued first?

[Randall Flagg]

If my theory on Doubleday gutter codes is correct, the O50 means the book was printed the 50th week of 1973. P6 means the 6th week of 1974.

[carlosdetweiller]

ok... i know i should remember this....
on the carrie arc in the proof list above...

i know the 1st edition hardback has a code p6... but
i've never seen a P6 ARC for sale.... anyone have one? bob?
(mine's a code 050)

was the code p6 version or the 050 version issued first?

The O50 is supposed to be the first. I've never seen a P6 ARC and have often wondered where that info (rumor?) got started.

BTW, Jerome, I love your deciphering of the Doubleday date codes. It makes perfect sense and I've never seen it give a date that wasn't plausible.

[Brice]

Has it been posted at this site? I remember it from .net.

[Sir_Boomme]

ok... i know i should remember this....
on the carrie arc in the proof list above...

i know the 1st edition hardback has a code p6... but
i've never seen a P6 ARC for sale.... anyone have one? bob?
(mine's a code 050)

was the code p6 version or the 050 version issued first?

The O50 is supposed to be the first. I've never seen a P6 ARC and have often wondered where that info (rumor?) got started.
.
i've never seen one either and was wondering the rumor thing myself.
could it be that the P6 code info. in the gutter of the US 1st edition hardback ....actually somehow got mixed up with the gutter code info. for the arc along the way?

hutch? john?, wiz? anyone? ever seen a P6 coded carrie arc?

[Mr. Rabbit Trick]

If my theory on Doubleday gutter codes is correct, the O50 means the book was printed the 50th week of 1973. P6 means the 6th week of 1974.

Something else new I've learned today. Thanks RF.

[Sir_Boomme]

If my theory on Doubleday gutter codes is correct, the O50 means the book was printed the 50th week of 1973. P6 means the 6th week of 1974.

Something else new I've learned today. Thanks RF.

this kinda fits/makes sense...
the ARC comes out the 50th week of 1973.... and the 1st edition hardback comes out the 6th week of 1974

but why would a second printing of the ARC come out the same week as the 1st edition 1st printing of the hardback edition...?

that doesn't make sense. carrie ARC- code P6... i'll believe it when i see it.:scared:

[carlosdetweiller]

That makes my total number of ARC I own to a grand total of 1 :blush:

Every obsession..er, uh collection starts with the first.

What.. no UK dead Zone? John is the list a list of proofs you own?

And no updated Black House entries?

[jhanic]

This is from Barry R. Levin's Biblio Notes (http://www.raresf.com/bnotes.html):


KING, STEPHEN. CARRIE.
James Strand has made a major bibliographic discovery concerning the nature of the true first edition of Stephen King's first book, CARRIE. It has long been known that the true first edition of CARRIE was the "Special Edition" in wrappers published by Doubleday as an advance readers copy to promote the sale of the first book by a then-unknown author by the name of Stephen King. Mr. Strand has discovered that there are two separate printings of this advance "Special Edition." One is marked with the code "O50" in the gutter margin of page 199, with the book itself measuring 5 ¼ x 8 ¼ inches. The other printing has the code "P6" in the gutter margin of page 199, with the book measuring 5 ½ x 8 ¼ inches. The text is positioned a little differently on the back cover, and the covers are of a somewhat different paper stock but otherwise the two printings look very much alike. If Doubleday had not broken their own rule at that time concerning the use of code numbers, the "O50" copies are the true first edition, first printing, followed by the later "P6" printing. "P6" is the code used in the first trade hardcover edition published by Doubleday.

By the way, the listing is all the ones that I know of, not, unfortunately, the ones I own. Any additions and/or corrections will be gladly incorporated. (I also added the UK Dead Zone proof--I don't know how I missed it in the first place, but thanks, Hutch!)

John

[Sir_Boomme]

This is from Barry R. Levin's Biblio Notes (http://www.raresf.com/bnotes.html):


KING, STEPHEN. CARRIE.
James Strand has made a major bibliographic discovery concerning the nature of the true first edition of Stephen King's first book, CARRIE. It has long been known that the true first edition of CARRIE was the "Special Edition" in wrappers published by Doubleday as an advance readers copy to promote the sale of the first book by a then-unknown author by the name of Stephen King. Mr. Strand has discovered that there are two separate printings of this advance "Special Edition." One is marked with the code "O50" in the gutter margin of page 199, with the book itself measuring 5 ¼ x 8 ¼ inches. The other printing has the code "P6" in the gutter margin of page 199, with the book measuring 5 ½ x 8 ¼ inches. The text is positioned a little differently on the back cover, and the covers are of a somewhat different paper stock but otherwise the two printings look very much alike. If Doubleday had not broken their own rule at that time concerning the use of code numbers, the "O50" copies are the true first edition, first printing, followed by the later "P6" printing. "P6" is the code used in the first trade hardcover edition published by Doubleday.

By the way, the listing is all the ones that I know of, not, unfortunately, the ones I own. Any additions and/or corrections will be gladly incorporated.

John


my question is... where did Mr Strand get his info.? did he see the book....or did he hear about the book? BTW... who is James Strand anyway?
has levin ever seen the book....or did he just take strand's word fo it?
does strand have any documentation ...an actual copy of the book, publisher notes, personally know a collector that has this P6 ARC? what is the basis of strand's discovery...
or is it a he said-she said-he heard conclusive discovery?

i'm not saying no way... but when bob ain't seen one in all his years...
and in 20 years of collecting, i've never seen/heard of one....
and out of the biggest congregation/ most knowledgable king collecting society around...us.... no one seems to have actually seen or know of someone with one....
...and if indeed the gutter code does reflect when the book came out.... it doesn't make sense to release a Advance copy at the same time as the 1st edition....

i'm still somewhat skeptical it exists.

[Nerak]

At the Betts signing in 1998 King signed some girl's leg. She was going to get the sig tatooed later that evening. I always thought if he would sign legs he would probably sign anything.

Now, that, I would do....hmmmmm.....

[carlosdetweiller]

i'm still somewhat skeptical it exists.

I'm not sure either, but the fact that the printing was a little different from the O50 and the paper quality was different speaks to a separate printing.

The book was not released as a trade edition until April, 1974. It's possible they printed up the 15,000 or 20,000 first run of pages, bound up a few as ARC's in February, 1974 and then bound up the rest in maroon boards for release in April.

I'm wondering if James Strand is the owner of The Strand Bookstore in NYC?

[NeedfulKings]

Fascinating stuff on the Carrie proof. Having seen some of the stuff you guys own, the expertise of this group is magnificant. So I would have to agree with Sir Boomme's skepticism.

[Mr. Rabbit Trick]

At the Betts signing in 1998 King signed some girl's leg. She was going to get the sig tatooed later that evening. I always thought if he would sign legs he would probably sign anything.

Now, that, I would do....hmmmmm.....

We could always forge King's signature for you. What area had you in mind? :rolleyes:

[Sir_Boomme]

[quote=Sir_Boomme;109575]

bound up a few as ARC's in February, 1974 and then bound up the rest in maroon boards for release in April.


now that's a plausable explaination as to why the P6 code would appear. hadn't thought of that.
still strange that no one's actually seen one of these.
just might have to email levin to see who exactly strand is and where his info. came from.

[Randall Flagg]

Has it been posted at this site? I remember it from .net.


I went ahead and created a thread about the gutter code theory.

[Mr. Rabbit Trick]

There's a Carrie ARC on sale on ebay right now. I emailed the seller to ask which code it had. The reply was O50.

[Hutch]

If my theory on Doubleday gutter codes is correct, the O50 means the book was printed the 50th week of 1973. P6 means the 6th week of 1974.

Something else new I've learned today. Thanks RF.

this kinda fits/makes sense...
the ARC comes out the 50th week of 1973.... and the 1st edition hardback comes out the 6th week of 1974

but why would a second printing of the ARC come out the same week as the 1st edition 1st printing of the hardback edition...?

that doesn't make sense. carrie ARC- code P6... i'll believe it when i see it.:scared:

Let's see ...hmmmm. I believe Carrie was released in mid-April 1974. Thus I doubt it has anything to do with when the book came out but rather when it was printed as Randall Flagg stated.

As for the P6 proof. I've heard rumblings of it for years and have always discounted it to mis-information or confusion.
There are oblong ( cape cods ) Doubleday proofs of the first five books. However, I've never seen the Carrie proof of this format. I've always heard there were about 30 to 35 of these printed for each of the first five titles. I'm sure the case with many of them is that there were thrown out once read, thus very few exist. I know of someone who claims to own one and have requested an image in the past only to have my request go unanswered.
It's the same individual who owns the UK proofs of the first 4 or 5 titles.
I'd also love to see images of those as well.

[Ari_Racing]

John, it's Anne Rice the one that doesn't sign proofs and arcs

[Brice]

i'm still somewhat skeptical it exists.

I'm not sure either, but the fact that the printing was a little different from the O50 and the paper quality was different speaks to a separate printing.

The book was not released as a trade edition until April, 1974. It's possible they printed up the 15,000 or 20,000 first run of pages, bound up a few as ARC's in February, 1974 and then bound up the rest in maroon boards for release in April.

I'm wondering if James Strand is the owner of The Strand Bookstore in NYC?

No, a woman named Nancy Bass owns it, based on what I found on their website.

[jhanic]

John, it's Anne Rice the one that doesn't sign proofs and arcs

Thanks, Ari.

John

[jhanic]

And no updated Black House entries?

Bob, I just don't know how to update the list to include those Black House items you have. Any help on phrasing would be appreciated.

John

[carlosdetweiller]

STORM OF THE CENTURY was an original "novel" written directly for television. Pocket Books published a trade paperback original to coincide with the mini-series in February 1999.

There were prepublication states, probably referred to as bound manuscripts, and there are at least two states. They both measure about 8 1/2" x 11".

The first state looks to be bound up pages of King's original manuscript. I have it on pretty good authority that less than 10 copies were done. Distributed in (approx.) August 1998, it states "For Pocket Eyes Only" on the front cover. Obviously this was not supposed to leave the publisher.

Tony at Camelot had a nice slipcase made for me to house the manuscript proof.

http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/bb54/carlosdetweiller/stormfirststate.jpg

First page:

http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/bb54/carlosdetweiller/stormfirststatepageone.jpg

[carlosdetweiller]

About four months later a "second state" of the bound manuscript was issued. This seems to be first pass pages bound into book form. These were designed to be sent out to reviewers. The copy I have has a promotional letter and a proof copy of the book's cover. I'm not sure how many of these were done. Again, Tony made a nice slipcase to store it in.

http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/bb54/carlosdetweiller/stormsecondstate.jpg

http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/bb54/carlosdetweiller/stormsecondstatepageone.jpg

[jhanic]

Looks like another one to add to the list. I have the second state one.

John

[Hutch]

Just grabbed a few more for the list. They were sitting on top of a pile.
There was also loose page manuscripts of It and 999 in the pack. I didn't include them since they were loose. There may be more ...but once again I'd have to dig deeper.

Different Seasons submission manuscript http://i265.photobucket.com/albums/ii232/dhutch57/DSman.jpg

Faithful bound manuscript http://i265.photobucket.com/albums/ii232/dhutch57/Faithfulman.jpg

Dreamcatcher bound manuscript http://i265.photobucket.com/albums/ii232/dhutch57/Dreamman.jpg

Buick 8 bound manuscript
http://i265.photobucket.com/albums/ii232/dhutch57/B8man.jpg

[jhanic]

Dave, those are amazing! I'll get them on the list very soon! I have a feeling that I'm going to have to start a separate "Manuscript" list.

John

[NeedfulKings]

Wow!!! That's some amazing stuff!!!!!

[carlosdetweiller]

I was going to add those too, but I was going to space them out over a few days.

Dave, is your FAITHFUL manuscript the complete finished book? I believe I have an earlier state that was issued before the season was finished. King had written only up to the beginning of the ACLS when my copy was produced. And your cover sheet is different, showing the finished book, I believe.

Here is my copy which is different from yours.

http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/bb54/carlosdetweiller/faithfulmanuscript.jpg

[Hutch]

I was going to add those too, but I was going to space them out over a few days.

Dave, is your FAITHFUL manuscript the complete finished book? I believe I have an earlier state that was issued before the season was finished. King had written only up to the middle of the ACLS when my copy was produced. And your cover sheet is different, showing the finished book, I believe.
Mine goes to page 462. The cover in the image is really just a group loose promo page I slipped in along with a stapled bunch of introduction pages.
the real cover shows:
Title page:
Faithful
Two Diehard Boston Red sox fans Chronical the 2004 season
Stewart O'Nan and Stephen King
Scribner
New York London Toronto Sydney Singapore

[carlosdetweiller]

Here is a bound promotional state for THE GIRL WHO LOVED TOM GORDON, uses what appear to be first pass sheets.

http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/bb54/carlosdetweiller/girlwholovedtomgordonmanuscript.jpg

And the first page:

http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/bb54/carlosdetweiller/girlwholovedtomgordonpageone.jpg

[Randall Flagg]

The King library at UOM Bangor must be jealous of you guys!

[carlosdetweiller]

I was going to add those too, but I was going to space them out over a few days.

Dave, is your FAITHFUL manuscript the complete finished book? I believe I have an earlier state that was issued before the season was finished. King had written only up to the middle of the ACLS when my copy was produced. And your cover sheet is different, showing the finished book, I believe.
Mine goes to page 462. The cover in the image is really just a group loose promo page I slipped in along with a stapled bunch of introduction pages.
the real cover shows:
Title page:
Faithful
Two Diehard Boston Red sox fans Chronical the 2004 season
Stewart O'Nan and Stephen King
Scribner
New York London Toronto Sydney Singapore

Interesting. I think our cover pages are the same but my text only goes to page 379. On page 380 is the title for the next chapter "Part VII - Somebody Got-ta Pay." but nothing following. I'm pretty sure that part hadn't been written yet.

[Mr. Rabbit Trick]

Dave, those are amazing! I'll get them on the list very soon! I have a feeling that I'm going to have to start a separate "Manuscript" list.

John

John, I totally agree. We need to seperate these from the ARCs and Proofs. I cannot help, as I know next to nothing about them, but they deserve seperate listings.

Dave/Bob.... keep them coming. This is fascinating. Thanks.

[Patrick]

[quote=jhanic;110104]...
Dave/Bob.... keep them coming. This is fascinating. Thanks.
Hear, hear! :dance:

[jhanic]

The latest list to include a correction on The Storm of the Century manuscript proofs and Hutch's and Bob Jackson's manuscipts. Also added the US Different Seasons proof.

Updated to correct the Black House manuscripts and add the UK Different Seasons. See the listing for 2/19/08

John

[Hutch]

is the list missing the Different Seasons proofs? And The Girl Who Loved Tom Gordon bound gallery. TGWLTG galley should be on the list as there was little time from manuscript submission to release date. No proof was made. If I recall correctly, Stephen submitted manuscript in Feb. ( ? ) and wanted the release to be on the 25th anniversary of Carrie in late April.

[jhanic]

Dave, Funny you should mention those. I was editing my last list to add them when you posted!

John

[Pasiuk57]

John
The only Manuscripts I have are the following:
Lunch at the Gotham Cafe-
Shock Rock Manuscript
Dreamcatcher Manuscript
Nightmares and Dreamscapes F and G in red custom traycase
Desperation spiral bound notebook 2 volumes in house use onlt
Desperation F and G unbound with 2 covers
The Regulators 1 of 10 spiral bound manuscript copies for in house use only
Green Mile 1 of 6 copies of the Manuscript for Two Dead Girls signed by King
Green Mile one copy not signed by King also
Cycle of the Werewolf unbound signed copy
Tommyknockers Manuscript 1 of 12
The girl who loved Tom Gordon Manuscript 1 of 13 copies
Bag of Bones Manuscript
Siz Stories Unbound proof folded and gathered signatures with a unique fold down proof with book cover
What I have so far....
Mike

[carlosdetweiller]

John
The only Manuscripts I have are the following:
Lunch at the Gotham Cafe-
Shock Rock Manuscript
Dreamcatcher Manuscript
Nightmares and Dreamscapes F and G in red custom traycase
Desperation spiral bound notebook 2 volumes in house use onlt
Desperation F and G unbound with 2 covers
The Regulators 1 of 10 spiral bound manuscript copies for in house use only
Green Mile 1 of 6 copies of the Manuscript for Two Dead Girls signed by King
Green Mile one copy not signed by King also
Cycle of the Werewolf unbound signed copy
Tommyknockers Manuscript 1 of 12
The girl who loved Tom Gordon Manuscript 1 of 13 copies
Bag of Bones Manuscript
Siz Stories Unbound proof folded and gathered signatures with a unique fold down proof with book cover
What I have so far....
Mike

Got pics?

[Pasiuk57]

I could try
for some reason last time I sent photos here they did not work
but it would take some time as I'm at work till 5 pm CST every day .....
but I could try again!

[Randall Flagg]

I could try
for some reason last time I sent photos here they did not work
but it would take some time as I'm at work till 5 pm CST every day .....
but I could try again!
Check this link for tips on uploading images
http://www.thedarktower.org/palaver/showthread.php?t=447

[carlosdetweiller]

I could try
for some reason last time I sent photos here they did not work
but it would take some time as I'm at work till 5 pm CST every day .....
but I could try again!

The process is a bit more cumbersome than on thedarktower.net (at least I find it to be). There is the extra step of putting the pic on a hosting service before putting the link into a post so the pic can be seen in a current thread.

I also don't know the appropriate length of time to leave a pic on a hosting service (photobucket in my case). Do you leave them there forever? I'm thinking of taking down the ones that are a month old or older.

[Brice]

I could try
for some reason last time I sent photos here they did not work
but it would take some time as I'm at work till 5 pm CST every day .....
but I could try again!

The process is a bit more cumbersome than on thedarktower.net (at least I find it to be). There is the extra step of putting the pic on a hosting service before putting the link into a post so the pic can be seen in a current thread.

I also don't know the appropriate length of time to leave a pic on a hosting service (photobucket in my case). Do you leave them there forever? I'm thinking of taking down the ones that are a month old or older.

I've got some that have been there a couple years Bob.

[Cutter]

I've got some that have been there a couple years Bob.
Yea I don’t see the reason why not. I keep mine on forever. It’s really there so if someone comes across the thread a year later the pic is still there, it doesn’t take extra bandwidth, because they are usually forgotten and only rarely looked at.

But I host my own website, so it’s pretty easy just leaving them on the server.

[carlosdetweiller]

There is a UK DIFFERENT SEASONS proof. Here is a photo of one beside the more common US proof. At first glance they look identical but the name of the UK publisher Macdonald is at the bottom of the front cover where The Viking Press is on the US version.

This is the only one of these I have seen. It was originally in the late, great Charlie Fried's collection, then Chris Cavalier's, now mine. It is certainly well travelled.

http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/bb54/carlosdetweiller/differentseasonproofs.jpg

[carlosdetweiller]

Also, John, those BLACK HOUSE full and partial manuscripts with black tape spines should be under the US column and not the UK. They were done by Random House.

[jhanic]

The listing has been moved to the very first post in this thread. 2/26/08

John

[herbertwest]

quite impressive collec Mike.
however, what is : "Shock Rock"?

[Mr. Rabbit Trick]

quite impressive collec Mike.
however, what is : "Shock Rock"?

It's a 1992 anthology with, "You Know They Got a Hell of a Band", published in the US and UK.

[Ari_Racing]

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=190197544123&ssPageName=ADME:B:WNA:GB:1123

Dark Half UK ARC

[Fsmdr]

There's an article regarding the sale of ARCs, in paticular Lisey's Story in the Fine Books & Collections magazine. March/April 2008 issue on page 10.

Please feel free to move this post elsewhere if this is not the right place.

[Randall Flagg]

Thanks. I will have to look for the magazine.

[jhanic]

Where do find this magazine? I'd like to get a copy.

John

[Fsmdr]

I think B&N should have it. I have a subscription. If not, you can purchase direct from them :

http://www.finebooksmagazine.com/

[Randall Flagg]

My local B&n still has the January/February issue. They should have it next week.
Store locator for Fine Books & Collections (http://www.finebooksmagazine.com/locations/)

[jhanic]

Thanks to both of you!

John

[carlosdetweiller]

I've had a subscription to this magazine for about a year. I really like it. I don't have my March/April issue yet. Am I right in assuming you just received yours, Juliana?

[Fsmdr]

Yup...I think it came in 2 days ago. I really like this magazine too. It has a lot more modern literature than the other ones I've subscibed to. Look out for it then, the article is on page 10.

[Pasiuk57]

Here are a couple of photos. I have so much stuff to go through to just get at some of the items!http://s272.photobucket.com/albums/jj199/Pasiuk57/?action=view&current=041.jpg

http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj199/Pasiuk57/041.jpg

[Pasiuk57]

The cycle manuscript is signed on all 3 parts: Stage 1,2,3
all signed and dated by King on Stage 3 King writes "This is my only original manuscript". Each and every piece of copy is original.
Stage 2
http://s272.photobucket.com/albums/jj199/Pasiuk57/?action=view&current=040.jpg

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[Pasiuk57]

Staghttp://s272.photobucket.com/albums/jj199/Pasiuk57/?action=view&current=039.jpge 1

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[Pasiuk57]

Dreamcatcher Manuscript
http://http://s272.photobucket.com/albums/jj199/Pasiuk57/?action=view&current=037.jpg

[Pasiuk57]

Desperation Volume 1 and 2 Manuscript in house use only
http://s272.photobucket.com/albums/jj199/Pasiuk57/?action=view&current=036.jpg

http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj199/Pasiuk57/036.jpg

[Pasiuk57]

The Regulators Manuscript

http://s272.photobucket.com/albums/jj199/Pasiuk57/?action=view&current=032.jpg

http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj199/Pasiuk57/032.jpg

[Pasiuk57]

The Green Mile Limited Gift Manuscript---I also have an original Manuscript.
http://s272.photobucket.com/albums/jj199/Pasiuk57/?action=view&current=035.jpg
[URL="http://s272.photobucket.com/albums/jj199/Pasiuk57/?action=view&current=034.jpg

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[Pasiuk57]

close up

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[Pasiuk57]

more later
have to go now...

[Matt]

Those look great Pasiuk57--very nice stuff.

I went through and set your images to display, one of them I couldn't do because the link was broken.

[jhanic]

Very nice, Mike. I'm envious!

John

[NeedfulKings]

Awesom stuff!!! I'm jealous! :)

[carlosdetweiller]

Very nice.

I think if you delete one of the "http:" (there are currently two) in the link to the Dreamcatcher manuscript it will work.

[Pasiuk57]

Dreamcatcher Manuscript



http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj199/Pasiuk57/037.jpg

[Cutter]

I have to agree that is some amazing stuff. What a collection, wow!

[jemaher]

will have to find my copy.

[Chooch]

Has anyone ever seen a Dolan's Cadillac Proof? There's one on Ebay that I'm looking at: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=310027318489&ssPageName=STRK:MEWA:IT&ih=021
What do you think the value is?
Thanks

[Mr. Rabbit Trick]

I saw that earlier today and noticed it's not on John's list.

I've no idea of the value.

[carlosdetweiller]

Has anyone ever seen a Dolan's Cadillac Proof? There's one on Ebay that I'm looking at: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=310027318489&ssPageName=STRK:MEWA:IT&ih=021
What do you think the value is?
Thanks

Those don't come up for sale very often and the price is all over the place. I've seen them offered for as low as $150 and as much as $500. Two things to keep in mind:
1. There are two states of this proof. The one currently listed is the blue one which is the more common of the two. There is a brown one which is scarcer.
2. I've been told that the seller southernrarebooks is one of Tim Miller's aliases. Caveat emptor.

[Chooch]

AAAAAAHHHHHH

Thanks so much for the Info

[jhanic]

I've purposely avoided putting the proofs of limited editions in the list. Notice that the proof of Six Stories is also not present. Do you all consider these to be true proofs/ARCs or not? If so, I'll add them.

John

[Chooch]

Now that you broached the subject John...Whats the difference between a ARC and a Proof? Other than the name of course. I've always thought a "Proof" was pre printing and a ARC was out just before publication.

[jhanic]

Chooch, Thanks to Randall Flagg, here's a link to a description of the various stages of a book:

First Editions (http://lopezbooks.com/articles/first.html)

This was mentioned a little while ago in this thread by Randall.

John

[Randall Flagg]

I've purposely avoided putting the proofs of limited editions in the list. Notice that the proof of Six Stories is also not present. Do you all consider these to be true proofs/ARCs or not? If so, I'll add them.

John

I would consider them true proofs when they precede the first "book" version of a story(ies).

[Randall Flagg]

My local B&N has copies. I read the article and it was interesting.
Primarily it discussed publishers attempts to prevent the sale of their ARC's, and the legality (or lack thereof) of doing so.

[carlosdetweiller]

Here is a photo of the two states of the DOLAN'S CADILLAC proofs. My notes say only about 100 copies were done. I don't know how that breaks down between the two states.

One bonus: While getting the blue one out for the photo I noticed that it was signed! I never realized that.

http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/bb54/carlosdetweiller/dolansproofs.jpg

[Chooch]

I am sooooooo jealous...LOL Good for you though...nice surprise

[jhanic]

Very nice, Bob!

John

[NeedfulKings]

One bonus: While getting the blue one out for the photo I noticed that it was signed! I never realized that.


One good reason to handle our books every so often. :D

Was it signed at a signing, or was it issued signed??? Any idea?

[carlosdetweiller]

Was it signed at a signing, or was it issued signed??? Any idea?

I honestly don't know. I'm pretty sure it wasn't issued as a signed proof. Someone got it signed later but I don't know who or when.

[Patrick]

Sweet!

I can't imagine having so many books that I don't even know that one is signed by Stephen King.

[NeedfulKings]

Sweet!

I can't imagine having so many books that I don't even know that one is signed by Stephen King.

:D Yeah, I'm up to 2. I haven't lost track yet! :panic:

;)

[Patrick]

:lol: Good answer.

[Mr. Rabbit Trick]

Nice DC Proofs and even nicer bonus!

[Ari_Racing]

Today I remembered that I received a letter with my DT 6 UK Arc.

Here´s a pic:
http://www.thedarktower.org/gallery/data/525/DT_6_letter_and_arc.jpg

:)

[carlosdetweiller]

Sweet!

I can't imagine having so many books that I don't even know that one is signed by Stephen King.

It's Chris Cavalier's fault. Although the two proofs look quite different when photographed side by side I was having trouble from individual photos deciding which was the brown one. I know that sounds strange but it was really true. I already had a blue one but was having trouble telling Chris which one I needed. I finally just told him I would take both. Neither was listed as signed on his list. When I got them I looked the brown one over since it was the one I needed but the blue one was a duplicate and I just stuck it in a bag and forgot about it. Apparantly Chris didn't know it was signed either.

[carlosdetweiller]

There was a CELL proof listed this morning on ABE but I was too late to get it. Offered by The Strand Bookstore in NYC for $100 in VG condition with some soiling to the wraps. That's the first one I have heard of for sale in a long time. I wish I had been a little quicker.

It will be interesting to see if it gets offered for resale on eBay and at what price. Did anyone here get it? If so, congrats.

[jhanic]

$100!!! That's amazing, even if it wasn't in pristine condition. I sure hope someone here got it!

John

[carlosdetweiller]

I'm not sure in which thread to post this. I've been on a serious proof buying spree and have several unusual proofs coming in over the next several days. Most are anthology appearances. If people are interested I will post them here or in another thread if someone feels another thread is more appropriate.

In 1983, "Children of the Corn" appeared in this little known anthology. It was not the first appearance of the story, of course. It originally appeared in Penthouse magazine in 1977 and later in NIGHT SHIFT.

CULTS!: An Anthology of Secret Societies, Sects, and the Supernatural was published by little known publisher Beaufort Books, Inc. First editions are not particularly scarce and several are currently available on ABE.

But I had never seen or heard of a proof state for this book. I was interested to see that the book's title on the proof was different from the finished book with the subtitle changed from "Covens" to "Secret Societies" and from "Terror" to "Supernatural."

I suspect this is of limited or no interest to most but this is the kind of stuff that absolutely gets my juices flowing.

http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/bb54/carlosdetweiller/cults.jpg

[Randall Flagg]

I am intrigued. Please continue.

[Mr. Rabbit Trick]

CULTS!: An Anthology of Secret Societies, Sects, and the Supernatural was published by little known publisher Beaufort Books, Inc. First editions are not particularly scarce and several are currently available on ABE.


I remember trying to get rid of this on ebay. It took me 3 attempts and I think I got about $10-$15 for it.

[carlosdetweiller]

CULTS!: An Anthology of Secret Societies, Sects, and the Supernatural was published by little known publisher Beaufort Books, Inc. First editions are not particularly scarce and several are currently available on ABE.


I remember trying to get rid of this on ebay. It took me 3 attempts and I think I got about $10-$15 for it.

Well, if you have any more proofs you don't want please drop me a line. I'm your guy. Actually I didn't pay much more than that for the proof. I'd just never heard of it before and believe it to be a pretty scarce proof. Sometimes a $20-$25 purchase of something I don't have can make me just as happy as one that costs much, much more.

[Mr. Rabbit Trick]

CULTS!: An Anthology of Secret Societies, Sects, and the Supernatural was published by little known publisher Beaufort Books, Inc. First editions are not particularly scarce and several are currently available on ABE.


I remember trying to get rid of this on ebay. It took me 3 attempts and I think I got about $10-$15 for it.

Well, if you have any more proofs you don't want please drop me a line. I'm your guy. Actually I didn't pay much more than that for the proof. I'd just never heard of it before and believe it to be a pretty scarce proof. Sometimes a $20-$25 purchase of something I don't have can make me just as happy as one that costs much, much more.

It was the hardback I was refering to Bob. That's why I only used that part of your message.

[jhanic]

And I'll take anything Bob passes up! Please continue the postings. I always like to see the more scarce proofs.

John

[carlosdetweiller]

SHADOWS was an anthology published by Doubleday and edited by Charles Grant. It ran for 10 volumes from 1978 to 1987 or so. In 1988 Doubleday published THE BEST OF SHADOWS.

"The Man Who Would Not Shake Hands" was first published in 1981 in SHADOWS 4 and was felt worthy enough to be included in THE BEST OF SHADOWS.

I just got a proof of THE BEST OF SHADOWS. It's nothing special. There are still many listed on ABE and do not cost much. I only show it as sort of an intro to a better item in the next post.

http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/bb54/carlosdetweiller/bestofshadows.jpg

[carlosdetweiller]

"Nona" was first published in SHADOWS in 1978. I think this was King's first story to appear in an anthology. Someone please correct me if they know of an earlier one.

The first edition hardback is not terribly difficult to find but it is somewhat hard to find in fine collectible condition and I don't believe I have ever seen one that didn't have speckling to the bottom page edges. I have always suspected this to be a remainder marking but there just don't seem to be any copies without it that I have found.

I believe the proof of this book is very scarce. I got this one a couple of years ago from Stuart Schiff and have never seen another. It is from the era of "tall" Doubleday proofs. I believe the blue wrappers to be unprinted. The publisher's promo page is glued/stapled to the front cover but there doesn't seem to be anything printed beneath that I can see. Someone has taped a small label to the spine which was otherwise blank.

http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/bb54/carlosdetweiller/shadows.jpg

[jhanic]

I got my copy of Shadows (not the proof, the hardcover) from Bob Weinberg when it first came out and has a pure white page bottom block. I suspect that the speckling is a remainder mark.

Congratulations on the Shadows proof. I've never seen it before. If anyone would have had one, it would have been Stuart.

John

[Mr. Rabbit Trick]

"Nona" was first published in SHADOWS in 1978. I think this was King's first story to appear in an anthology. Someone please correct me if they know of an earlier one.


Shadows is certainly the first hardback anthology that I have. My copy does not have the marks on the bottom.

I also have "The Second Book of Unknown Tales of Horror", and "The Year's Finest Fantasy". Both published in 1978 and both contain, "The Cat from Hell".

[carlosdetweiller]

"Nona" was first published in SHADOWS in 1978. I think this was King's first story to appear in an anthology. Someone please correct me if they know of an earlier one.


Shadows is certainly the first hardback anthology that I have. My copy does not have the marks on the bottom.

I also have "The Second Book of Unknown Tales of Horror", and "The Year's Finest Fantasy". Both published in 1978 and both contain, "The Cat from Hell".

It is possible that one or both of those preceded SHADOWS. Your post got me to looking a little closer and it appears that SHADOWS was not the earliest anthology. The information sheet glued/stapled to the front cover of the SHADOWS proof states the publication date to be Sept. 15, 1978. I've got 5 different anthologies (including the ones you mentioned) from 1978. A paperback book THE YEAR'S BEST HORROR STORIES, SERIES VI published by DAW Books contains "The Children of the Corn" and states on the copyright page "First Printing, July 1978." I'm not sure of the exact date of the others.

I think the reason I always assumed SHADOWS was the first anthology with a King story was because Peter Schneider told me it was. It looks like he was mistaken. Thanks!

[carlosdetweiller]

This one just came in yesterday. I had not seen nor heard of this proof before. Maybe rare, maybe not.

Advance uncorrected proof for Philtrum Press THE IDEAL, GENUINE MAN by Don Robertson with intro by King, published 1987.

http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/bb54/carlosdetweiller/idealgenuine.jpg

[Mr. Rabbit Trick]

It is possible that one or both of those preceded SHADOWS. Your post got me to looking a little closer and it appears that SHADOWS was not the earliest anthology. The information sheet glued/stapled to the front cover of the SHADOWS proof states the publication date to be Sept. 15, 1978. I've got 5 different anthologies (including the ones you mentioned) from 1978. A paperback book THE YEAR'S BEST HORROR STORIES, SERIES VI published by DAW Books contains "The Children of the Corn" and states on the copyright page "First Printing, July 1978." I'm not sure of the exact date of the others.


I was thinking of the first hardback anthology. I also have some paperbacks from 1978. This also got me thinking....

What is the criteria/definition of a "anthology"?

Some of the pre-Carrie stuff are collections of stories and poems by different authors, including King. "Starling Mystery Stories" springs to mind. Would these be "anthologies"?

Depending on the definition, "People, Places and Things", is a collection of short stories by more than one author.

[carlosdetweiller]

It is possible that one or both of those preceded SHADOWS. Your post got me to looking a little closer and it appears that SHADOWS was not the earliest anthology. The information sheet glued/stapled to the front cover of the SHADOWS proof states the publication date to be Sept. 15, 1978. I've got 5 different anthologies (including the ones you mentioned) from 1978. A paperback book THE YEAR'S BEST HORROR STORIES, SERIES VI published by DAW Books contains "The Children of the Corn" and states on the copyright page "First Printing, July 1978." I'm not sure of the exact date of the others.


I was thinking of the first hardback anthology. I also have some paperbacks from 1978. This also got me thinking....

What is the criteria/definition of a "anthology"?

Some of the pre-Carrie stuff are collections of stories and poems by different authors, including King. "Starling Mystery Stories" springs to mind. Would these be "anthologies"?

Depending on the definition, "People, Places and Things", is a collection of short stories by more than one author.

While Webster's Dictionary defines an anthology as "a collection of selected literary pieces or passages...." and makes no distinction as to how it is bound, I think that "Startling Mystery Stories" is best described as a periodical or magazine rather than an anthology. You make good points and I guess it is up to the individual to decide.