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razz
06-03-2008, 03:30 PM
this thread is spoilers on the highest spoilable level: the deaths of the gunslingers. at least the second set of them. anyone else see their ironies?

Ka-tet
06-04-2008, 07:26 AM
I dont understand razz, care to elaborate? ><

Brice
06-04-2008, 07:28 AM
I really don't see what you mean either, razz.

Daghain
06-04-2008, 07:29 AM
Dude, if you're going to start a thread, you need to explain what the heck you're talking about. :)

obscurejude
06-04-2008, 08:33 AM
Dude, if you're going to start a thread, you need to explain what the heck you're talking about. :)

Yes, absolutely. Quoted for truth.

sarah
06-04-2008, 09:49 AM
Dude, if you're going to start a thread, you need to explain what the heck you're talking about. :)

:rofl: thank you daggers!


Come on now razz. details details details.

How did it effect you?

What and how was it Ironic to you?

jayson
06-04-2008, 09:53 AM
Ironic like actual irony or ironic like Alanis Morisette style irony which is not really irony at all?

sarah
06-04-2008, 09:56 AM
Isn't that ironic?

:lol:

razz
06-04-2008, 12:06 PM
think. Eddie entered Midworld after a gunfight. He then dies after gunfight.
Susannah struggles with roland as she enters midworld, and struggles with him when she leaves, but both times with no real violence.
Jake meets roland when he gets hit by a car. In the same way, he leaves roland after a car accident.
Oy...get impaled. i got nothing on that.
Roland comes close to killing walter so many times, and then walter gets killed my Mordred.

do you think these deaths were intended? or did they just happen like that. am i paranoid...well, more than usual?

Ka-tet
06-05-2008, 03:57 AM
^ although there is evidence possibly to suggest this was intentional, i do not belive it was.

But there just my toughts >< what about everyone else?

theBeamisHome
06-05-2008, 04:38 AM
I was going crazy trying to figure out what you meant, but I see the truth in what you speak (type). I agree with the parallels of the ka-tet's entries and departes to Mid-World... although I'm not sure I can get down with the Walter-Mordred thing... idk.. I'll let it stew a little longer..

LadyHitchhiker
06-05-2008, 06:06 AM
I just figured it was all Gan's will..

Arthur Heath
06-05-2008, 08:23 AM
I like this line of thinking razz, especually this Suze and Jake points. Though in my humble oppinion I do think its coincidental.

Daghain
06-05-2008, 10:46 AM
I think it's coincidental too, but it's a hell of a coincidence. :)

razz
06-05-2008, 11:21 AM
I guess coincidence it is. But still ironic.

obscurejude
06-05-2008, 10:20 PM
What is ironic about Walter being killed by Mordred?

Letti
06-05-2008, 10:29 PM
Interesting thoughts indded but they don't make their death ironical for me.

razz
09-22-2008, 02:09 PM
also...when Susannah entered Rolands world, she had two people in her head (Odetta and Detta), when she left, she had two again (Susannah and Detta)...shutting up (for) now.

Jackie
09-22-2008, 05:00 PM
Hmm i see what your saying razz

Jackie
09-22-2008, 05:04 PM
What i thought was ironic was how Alain and Eddie [who was often refrenced as being similar to Alain] both died getting shot in the eye.

razz
09-22-2008, 05:09 PM
!
I completely missed that.

jayson
09-22-2008, 05:30 PM
I see where it's coincidental, but not ironic.
I don't see how any of these are representative of irony.

Jean
09-23-2008, 12:05 AM
What i thought was ironic was how Alain and Eddie [who was often refrenced as being similar to Alain] both died getting shot in the eye.
I don't remember Alain being shot in the eye, but that may very well be so; what I am sure is not so, is Eddie referenced as being similar to Alain. Is it Cuthbert you mean? If so (I sincerely don't remember where either of them was shot), it wouldn't be ironic, or even coincidential - it would be another, rather heavily overdone to my mind, illustration of how ka is like a wheel.

jayson
09-23-2008, 03:28 AM
I believe she means Cuthbert, who was shot in the eye with an arrow at Jericho Hill. Eddie though was not shot in the eye. He was shot above the eye in his forehead. Either way, even had he been shot in the eye, it wouldn't be irony. All of the things listed so far in this thread are similarities or coincidences, but not one is irony (which I suppose is the one true ironic thing at work in this thread).

razz
09-23-2008, 03:30 AM
maybe one of the powers that be can rename it then? or merge it

Ka-tet
09-23-2008, 09:15 AM
What i thought was ironic was how Alain and Eddie [who was often refrenced as being similar to Alain] both died getting shot in the eye.
I don't remember Alain being shot in the eye, but that may very well be so; what I am sure is not so, is Eddie referenced as being similar to Alain. Is it Cuthbert you mean? If so (I sincerely don't remember where either of them was shot), it wouldn't be ironic, or even coincidential - it would be another, rather heavily overdone to my mind, illustration of how ka is like a wheel.

o.O JEAN!

How could you forget Alains death??

im not even going to tell you what happend :P

Jean
09-23-2008, 09:17 AM
I actually kinda know what happened...

Ka-tet
09-23-2008, 09:22 AM
Well thats okay xD

Ves'Ka Gan
09-24-2008, 09:30 AM
Interesting points, Razz. Without getting into the definition of irony, I suppose I will jump on Jean's bandwagon and say it s a very good example of Ka as a wheel.

Those were all points I hadn't considered before.