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Ari_Racing
10-11-2016, 02:47 PM
http://www.nakatomiinc.com/2016/10/11/cycle-of-the-werewolf-bernie-wrightson-kickstarter/

I think some of the rewards are cool. I'll probably pledge the $175 one.

carlosdetweiller
10-11-2016, 03:58 PM
I think they have some of their history wrong. I didn't think the COTW project was originally Wrightson's idea. Wasn't it Christopher Zavisa's? And Zavisa originally approached King? Was Wrightson in it from the beginning? I didn't think so.

Room 217 Caretaker
10-11-2016, 04:29 PM
I think they have some of their history wrong. I didn't think the COTW project was originally Wrightson's idea. Wasn't it Christopher Zavisa's? And Zavisa originally approached King? Was Wrightson in it from the beginning? I didn't think so.

Zavisa approached King:

http://www.stephenkingrevisited.com/tag/christopher-zavisa/

Mulleins

Kingfan24
10-11-2016, 04:35 PM
So who is in for what edition (if any)?

Randall Flagg
10-11-2016, 06:02 PM
If the Deluxe is $800 (x $50 = $40K), the 1/5 will be (my guesstimate) $8K (thus $40K). I'm sure 5 people will pledge, but not me (many reasons, cost being a concern). $80K in "pledges" is a fuzzy guarantee.
It's a must have for someone, just not me.

carlosdetweiller
10-11-2016, 06:39 PM
I'm not going for any of this. I wasn't too impressed with the other Nakatomi portfolio that I have. Doubt this one will be anything special.

herbertwest
10-12-2016, 12:05 AM
Also, it doesnt includes King's story

webstar1000
10-12-2016, 03:15 AM
I will NOT be going for any of these.

Room 217 Caretaker
10-12-2016, 03:19 AM
Same here....not buying into any of it.

Mulleins

webstar1000
10-12-2016, 03:20 AM
I also should note... I contacted the chap starting this campaign about 3/4 months ago. I sent him pics of some Bernie's that I was aware of floating around Comic Con's with Bernie and Liz. I could not get in touch with them and he said he would on my behalf. He is very close to the Wrightsons. He got back to me and told me that he was in contact and they would look for the pieces I was after. The price's were out of this world cheap and I was shocked and started my hunt. Ironically Doctorzuis (member here) scored some of them when he met up with them at a show. I waited to hear back for a bit and then reached out... he told me that they had not found anything... then imagine my surprise when this pops across my desk a couple days ago. GRRRRRRR!! Oh well:(

surly
10-12-2016, 05:16 AM
It might be fun to get the calendar, but otherwise I think I will be sitting on the sidelines for this one.

Beverly Marsh
10-12-2016, 07:19 AM
It might be fun to get the calendar, but otherwise I think I will be sitting on the sidelines for this one.

Same. The calendar might be cool to have since that was the original concept otherwise I'll have to pass on the rest. I would much rather have an original signed portfolio and if I ever find one for less than $1000 I will!

racerx45
10-12-2016, 11:21 AM
I have always been a fan of Bernie and the fact that CotW was my first ever SK book this was an easy purchase for me. I bit the bullet and went for the wood box set.

Randall Flagg
10-12-2016, 11:21 AM
LINK?

racerx45
10-12-2016, 11:26 AM
Cycle of the Werewolf- Bernie Wrightson Art Portfolio (https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/timdoyle/cycle-of-the-werewolf-bernie-wrightson-art-portfol?ref=nav_search)

Kingfan24
10-12-2016, 11:27 AM
Too pricey for me especially since one was already done

Randall Flagg
10-12-2016, 11:28 AM
I refrained from buying anything.

Kingfan24
10-12-2016, 11:41 AM
I'm honestly surprised 3/5 $2,000 packages were bought already.

bdwyer19
10-12-2016, 12:31 PM
I'm honestly surprised 3/5 $2,000 packages were bought already.

For the completists, I suppose.

webstar1000
10-12-2016, 12:59 PM
I'm honestly surprised 3/5 $2,000 packages were bought already.

Why? It has an original.... and a large one. If it is detailed even a bit that price is a steal. I would buy one if I had the money. I can tell ya that!


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amd013
10-12-2016, 01:01 PM
whats the limitation on the print portfolio. It says it is hand numbered, but no mention of the limitation, or is that tbd based on the number of pledges?

amd013
10-12-2016, 01:04 PM
whats the limitation on the print portfolio. It says it is hand numbered, but no mention of the limitation, or is that tbd based on the number of pledges?

Never mind, I see it now (500) in the the button to pledge for that item. Never done Kickstarter before so wasn't familiar with their format.

amd013
10-12-2016, 01:09 PM
whats the limitation on the print portfolio. It says it is hand numbered, but no mention of the limitation, or is that tbd based on the number of pledges?

Never mind, I see it now (500) in the the button to pledge for that item. Never done Kickstarter before so wasn't familiar with their format.

Although I am confused, wouldn't the orders for the $185, $800, $2000 levels count against the limit for the $175, or will there be 655 copies of the portfolio (500+100+50+5). Looking at the number remaining it doesn't look like the other levels count against the $175 level (again, not familiar with how kickstarter works).

Kingfan24
10-12-2016, 01:16 PM
I'm honestly surprised 3/5 $2,000 packages were bought already.

Why? It has an original.... and a large one. If it is detailed even a bit that price is a steal. I would buy one if I had the money. I can tell ya that!


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I will NOT be going for any of these.

Confused here buddy - what changed?

wolfehr
10-12-2016, 01:34 PM
I'm honestly surprised 3/5 $2,000 packages were bought already.

Why? It has an original.... and a large one. If it is detailed even a bit that price is a steal. I would buy one if I had the money. I can tell ya that!

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I agree, and am one of three backers so far (I think I was second). For $2k you get: a 14x17 original sketch from 1983 (!!!), twelve print set all signed by Bernie on higher quality paper (310gsm Textured Exhibition Watercolor paper vs 305gsm cold-press natural watercolor paper), a really nice wooden case, sketch book with never before printed behind the scenes concept and process sketches, t-shirt, and two calendar (2017 and 1984 lunar one).

webstar1000
10-12-2016, 02:38 PM
I'm honestly surprised 3/5 $2,000 packages were bought already.

Why? It has an original.... and a large one. If it is detailed even a bit that price is a steal. I would buy one if I had the money. I can tell ya that!


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I will NOT be going for any of these.

Confused here buddy - what changed?

Earlier when I posted it.. no price on the top issue. I read Rf's post about $8k or so... and I was like no. But $2k!!!!???? Sorry that is a deal. And I retract my statement. For some reason they held back that price... but it's a good one. I found out the price from your post actually brother!


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webstar1000
10-12-2016, 02:39 PM
I'm honestly surprised 3/5 $2,000 packages were bought already.

Why? It has an original.... and a large one. If it is detailed even a bit that price is a steal. I would buy one if I had the money. I can tell ya that!

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I agree, and am one of three backers so far (I think I was second). For $2k you get: a 14x17 original sketch from 1983 (!!!), twelve print set all signed by Bernie on higher quality paper (310gsm Textured Exhibition Watercolor paper vs 305gsm cold-press natural watercolor paper), a really nice wooden case, sketch book with never before printed behind the scenes concept and process sketches, t-shirt, and two calendar (2017 and 1984 lunar one).

Can you see the artwork? I really wish you could.... $2k could be a friggin steal depending....


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Kingfan24
10-12-2016, 03:33 PM
I think two of them are the pictures that they show in the campaign

webstar1000
10-12-2016, 03:42 PM
I think two of them are the pictures that they show in the campaign

Hmmmm.... those sketches are nice but I would say if those are 2 of the 5 I would pass again. Mostly cause I would prefer a larger wolf or picture. Probably worth asking price though to be honest. Those are ones I have pics of that he was selling at a Comic Com over a year ago for a couple hundred bucks.... never got them:(


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DoctorZaius
10-12-2016, 04:08 PM
I also should note... I contacted the chap starting this campaign about 3/4 months ago. I sent him pics of some Bernie's that I was aware of floating around Comic Con's with Bernie and Liz. I could not get in touch with them and he said he would on my behalf. He is very close to the Wrightsons. He got back to me and told me that he was in contact and they would look for the pieces I was after. The price's were out of this world cheap and I was shocked and started my hunt. Ironically Doctorzuis (member here) scored some of them when he met up with them at a show. I waited to hear back for a bit and then reached out... he told me that they had not found anything... then imagine my surprise when this pops across my desk a couple days ago. GRRRRRRR!! Oh well:(

Man, those pieces of Bernie's I scored this summer are looking pretty good now.

webstar1000
10-12-2016, 04:10 PM
I also should note... I contacted the chap starting this campaign about 3/4 months ago. I sent him pics of some Bernie's that I was aware of floating around Comic Con's with Bernie and Liz. I could not get in touch with them and he said he would on my behalf. He is very close to the Wrightsons. He got back to me and told me that he was in contact and they would look for the pieces I was after. The price's were out of this world cheap and I was shocked and started my hunt. Ironically Doctorzuis (member here) scored some of them when he met up with them at a show. I waited to hear back for a bit and then reached out... he told me that they had not found anything... then imagine my surprise when this pops across my desk a couple days ago. GRRRRRRR!! Oh well:(

Man, those pieces of Bernie's I scored this summer are looking pretty good now.

100000%


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Mr. Rabbit Trick
10-12-2016, 09:09 PM
Should this be merged into the Bernie Wrightson thread?

burial
10-12-2016, 09:32 PM
whats the limitation on the print portfolio. It says it is hand numbered, but no mention of the limitation, or is that tbd based on the number of pledges?

Never mind, I see it now (500) in the the button to pledge for that item. Never done Kickstarter before so wasn't familiar with their format.

Although I am confused, wouldn't the orders for the $185, $800, $2000 levels count against the limit for the $175, or will there be 655 copies of the portfolio (500+100+50+5). Looking at the number remaining it doesn't look like the other levels count against the $175 level (again, not familiar with how kickstarter works).

I think it should state 500+100 (standard portfolio) and 50+5 (wood box portfolio)

Beverly Marsh
10-13-2016, 04:16 AM
I splurged and ordered a calendar :rolleyes3:

Randall Flagg
10-13-2016, 12:04 PM
Should this be merged into the Bernie Wrightson thread?
Not at this time.

amd013
10-13-2016, 02:13 PM
Looks like the $185 level sold out, so they added a $200 level, that is essentially the same as the $185 level for those that missed out. So I wonder if that increases the potential limitation from 600 to 700.

wolfehr
10-13-2016, 02:31 PM
Looks like the $185 level sold out, so they added a $200 level, that is essentially the same as the $185 level for those that missed out. So I wonder if that increases the potential limitation from 600 to 700.

I think they added that so there's a reward their that includes the calendar, t-shirt, etc. in addition to the prints. The update they sent out very much sounded like the limitation isn't changing.

"We had quite a few messages from people who missed out on the Early Bird Lycanthrope sets, but still wanted to get the box set + shirt + calendar, so we added a NEW REWARD TIER for them! Kickstarter doesn't allow a person to pledge several times for a project, so if you wanted more than one reward, this is the only way to get all of them! It's not as much a deal as the Early Bird set, but still better than getting them all individually. Pledge at the $200 level if you want to pick it up!"

amd013
10-13-2016, 06:59 PM
Looks like the $185 level sold out, so they added a $200 level, that is essentially the same as the $185 level for those that missed out. So I wonder if that increases the potential limitation from 600 to 700.

I think they added that so there's a reward their that includes the calendar, t-shirt, etc. in addition to the prints. The update they sent out very much sounded like the limitation isn't changing.

"We had quite a few messages from people who missed out on the Early Bird Lycanthrope sets, but still wanted to get the box set + shirt + calendar, so we added a NEW REWARD TIER for them! Kickstarter doesn't allow a person to pledge several times for a project, so if you wanted more than one reward, this is the only way to get all of them! It's not as much a deal as the Early Bird set, but still better than getting them all individually. Pledge at the $200 level if you want to pick it up!"


So will they close the $175, $200 reward levels when the sum of $175,$185,$200 reward levels sold reaches 500? or 600? Otherwise they would need to reduce the number of $175 reward levels to ensure they don't oversell

webstar1000
10-14-2016, 04:19 AM
Can someone answer me why a Kickstarter was needed for this?

jsmcmullen92
10-14-2016, 04:50 AM
Can someone answer me why a Kickstarter was needed for this?

I think there are still The Stand portfolios left from the last time they did this. As book collectors we will buy the same book 3 different ways because each is a little different than the last and each is a piece of art in itself. But will an art collector buy the same piece of art because it was handed to you in a better box and on a little better paper? Not to mention spend the same or more amount on the artwork as you could on the hardcover edition of the entire book. I think these guys knew that there was no need for this portfolio other than to sturate the market so they would rather have the money up front to do instead of losing their ass on making 600 portfolios and only selling 100.

Just speculation

webstar1000
10-14-2016, 04:56 AM
Can someone answer me why a Kickstarter was needed for this?

I think there are still The Stand portfolios left from the last time they did this. As book collectors we will buy the same book 3 different ways because each is a little different than the last and each is a piece of art in itself. But will an art collector buy the same piece of art because it was handed to you in a better box and on a little better paper? Not to mention spend the same or more amount on the artwork as you could on the hardcover edition of the entire book. I think these guys knew that there was no need for this portfolio other than to sturate the market so they would rather have the money up front to do instead of losing their ass on making 600 portfolios and only selling 100.

Just speculation

I thought the Stand was sold out long ago.. mind you at half price ($150). But yeah good idea.... I was wondering if the company perhaps doesn't have the capital to do it and this was a way to find it...

zelig
10-15-2016, 09:07 AM
Can someone answer me why a Kickstarter was needed for this?

I think there are still The Stand portfolios left from the last time they did this. As book collectors we will buy the same book 3 different ways because each is a little different than the last and each is a piece of art in itself. But will an art collector buy the same piece of art because it was handed to you in a better box and on a little better paper? Not to mention spend the same or more amount on the artwork as you could on the hardcover edition of the entire book. I think these guys knew that there was no need for this portfolio other than to sturate the market so they would rather have the money up front to do instead of losing their ass on making 600 portfolios and only selling 100.

Just speculation

I thought the Stand was sold out long ago.. mind you at half price ($150). But yeah good idea.... I was wondering if the company perhaps doesn't have the capital to do it and this was a way to find it...

Sure, but the thing is, how would it have been any different if they had launched this on their own website and taken pre-orders like other small press publishers do. They'd fund it that way.

I'm not sure I get the motivation for going the Kickstarter route. What is the benefit over simply taking pre-orders. To me both strategies produce the same result, unless I'm missing some key component or benefit to crowdfunding. I'm curious to hear if anyone has some insight on this.

Ari_Racing
10-15-2016, 09:55 AM
Easy: with Kickstarter you can collect more money than with just pre-orders.

zelig
10-15-2016, 10:43 AM
Easy: with Kickstarter you can collect more money than with just pre-orders.

Why?

Randall Flagg
10-15-2016, 04:28 PM
Easy: with Kickstarter you can collect more money than with just pre-orders.

Why?
Without knowing, I'm guessing they pocket the excess with all of the money up front (otherwise known as profit).
If they can collect $20K+ through Paypal with LESS than 200 "funder's", they won't get a 1099K from Paypal.
Doesn't mean they won't report the income (I think they will, it's silly not to).
It's a good way to advertise.

Ari_Racing
10-19-2016, 06:19 AM
Easy: with Kickstarter you can collect more money than with just pre-orders.

Why?

First the easy fact: there are people that donate more money than the one needed for a particular reward. It happens everytime. And sometimes there's even a reward category that requires extra money and you actually don't get more stuff. Sometime ago I put money for Ron Gilbert's Thimbleweed Park (https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/thimbleweedpark/thimbleweed-park-a-new-classic-point-and-click-adv?lang=es). If you look at the rewards, the U$S 20 and the U$S 25 are exactly the same reward. Well...3048 people applied for the more expensive one. That's 15K extra.

Then you've got rewards that don't cause a cost to the launcher: thank you in the credits, executive producer's title, a digital wallpaper. Most are pocket money (executive producer is not, of course).

And don't forget you can optimize production. When you do a preorder you usually have a quantity of books for sale. Here the limitation can only apply to one or two certain articles of all the rewards. You can narrow your possible losses.

Just in case someone didn't see this:

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/zackdangerbrown/potato-salad/description

zelig
10-19-2016, 07:05 AM
Thanks for the feedback Jerome and Ari. Looks like I'm in the wrong business. I should be making potato salad.

Room 217 Caretaker
10-19-2016, 07:09 AM
Thanks for the feedback Jerome and Ari. Looks like I'm in the wrong business. I should be making potato salad.

I'm working on an Air Guitar project and will be using KickStarter.

"Turn It Up to 11"

Mulleins

bdwyer19
10-19-2016, 08:05 AM
Thanks for the feedback Jerome and Ari. Looks like I'm in the wrong business. I should be making potato salad.

I'm working on an Air Guitar project and will be using KickStarter.

"Turn It Up to 11"

Mulleins

I'm intrigued... what kind of air, acoustic or electric?

herbertwest
10-19-2016, 09:38 AM
Easy: with Kickstarter you can collect more money than with just pre-orders.

Why?

First the easy fact: there are people that donate more money than the one needed for a particular reward. It happens everytime. And sometimes there's even a reward category that requires extra money and you actually don't get more stuff. Sometime ago I put money for Ron Gilbert's Thimbleweed Park (https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/thimbleweedpark/thimbleweed-park-a-new-classic-point-and-click-adv?lang=es). If you look at the rewards, the U$S 20 and the U$S 25 are exactly the same reward. Well...3048 people applied for the more expensive one. That's 15K extra.

Then you've got rewards that don't cause a cost to the launcher: thank you in the credits, executive producer's title, a digital wallpaper. Most are pocket money (executive producer is not, of course).

And don't forget you can optimize production. When you do a preorder you usually have a quantity of books for sale. Here the limitation can only apply to one or two certain articles of all the rewards. You can narrow your possible losses.


Intriguing, thanks.

wolfehr
10-21-2016, 06:24 AM
I asked about the limitation number for the various editions. This was the reply.


there will only be 500 of these sets produced, we just adjusted the qty's for the reward levels to reflect this! The Wood box edition is limited to 50 at the $800 level, and the 5 sets for the $2000 level, and those will be marked as 'Artist Proof' 1/5 to differentiate them!

wolfehr
10-21-2016, 10:13 PM
I think they have some of their history wrong. I didn't think the COTW project was originally Wrightson's idea. Wasn't it Christopher Zavisa's? And Zavisa originally approached King? Was Wrightson in it from the beginning? I didn't think so.

For what it's worth, in the Kickerstarter video there's a clip of Bernie saying "The first thing, uh, that I did with Stephen King was a comic book adaptation for the movie creep show. Afterwards I got an idea for a werewolf project. Why not do it as a calendar? The perfect monster for a calendar is the werewolf, you know, because he becomes, you know, every month with the full moon. Steve agreed with that and said yeah, that's, uh, yeah we can make that work. But my publisher friend talked to Stephen King's publisher who said we can't allow you to do a calendar. Basically, if anyone is going to do a calendar with Stephen King it's going to be us. So that's what happened. It became a book instead of a calendar."

https://youtu.be/hNTshq4G0tA?t=1m21s

Room 217 Caretaker
10-22-2016, 05:05 AM
I think they have some of their history wrong. I didn't think the COTW project was originally Wrightson's idea. Wasn't it Christopher Zavisa's? And Zavisa originally approached King? Was Wrightson in it from the beginning? I didn't think so.

For what it's worth, in the Kickerstarter video there's a clip of Bernie saying "The first thing, uh, that I did with Stephen King was a comic book adaptation for the movie creep show. Afterwards I got an idea for a werewolf project. Why not do it as a calendar? The perfect monster for a calendar is the werewolf, you know, because he becomes, you know, every month with the full moon. Steve agreed with that and said yeah, that's, uh, yeah we can make that work. But my publisher friend talked to Stephen King's publisher who said we can't allow you to do a calendar. Basically, if anyone is going to do a calendar with Stephen King it's going to be us. So that's what happened. It became a book instead of a calendar."

https://youtu.be/hNTshq4G0tA?t=1m21s

But, it was Christopher Zavisa who approached King in 1979 about the project first. I believe that's why Bob is saying the information is incorrect. It's sort of a funny story where King mentions he was drunk when this guy approached him about it.

Mulleins

wolfehr
10-22-2016, 06:54 AM
I guess that can all be true, right? Bernie came up with the idea for a calendar, then Christopher Zavisa approached King in 1979 about doing a book instead? I was just looking at stephenkingrevisited and it kind of matches Bernie's story. Bernie talks to his publisher > his publisher talk's to King's publisher who says no > King's publisher then approaches king about doing a book instead.

"Zavisa’s pitch intrigued King. The publisher, who had established Land of Enchantment Press initially to promote Wrightson’s works, wanted King to come up with a set of twelve vignettes that would each be accompanied by a Berni Wrightson painting and a calendar grid."

Unrelated, the original art tier for the kickstarter is now sold out.

Kingfan24
11-07-2016, 12:19 PM
That "original art" is pretty pathetic no?

Edit: definitely should be underwhelming, not pathetic.

webstar1000
11-07-2016, 12:20 PM
That "original art" is pretty pathetic no?

Link Nick?

wolfehr
11-07-2016, 12:33 PM
That "original art" is pretty pathetic no?

Link Nick?

These were the two that were posted. I think it's cool getting a behind the scenes look at Bernie's process so don't consider them "pathetic". Definitely underwhelming given the price point though.

http://i.imgur.com/VCQUFX8.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/CV9xgbs.jpg

Room 217 Caretaker
11-07-2016, 12:41 PM
That "original art" is pretty pathetic no?

Link Nick?

These were the two that were posted. I think it's cool getting a behind the scenes look at Bernie's process so don't consider them "pathetic". Definitely underwhelming given the price point though.

http://i.imgur.com/VCQUFX8.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/CV9xgbs.jpg

Did you get the "Marty confronted by the Werewolf"?

Mulleins

wolfehr
11-07-2016, 12:49 PM
Have not selected one yet. Based on the examples so far, I'm leaning towards one where Bernie is trying to get the werewolf right (e.g., the first pic) instead of one where he's laying out a scene (e.g., the second pic).

webstar1000
11-07-2016, 01:39 PM
I would not be interested I don't think at the price point...


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webstar1000
11-07-2016, 01:40 PM
Have not selected one yet. Based on the examples so far, I'm leaning towards one where Bernie is trying to get the werewolf right (e.g., the first pic) instead of one where he's laying out a scene (e.g., the second pic).

Me too for sure. Have you seen the others? Maybe you would prefer the other choices more so


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carlosdetweiller
11-07-2016, 02:12 PM
I suspect that most professional artists have stuff like that laying all over their houses and studios. Their wives (or significant others) probably pick that stuff up and use it to write shopping lists, memos, etc. IMO they have little value.

wolfehr
11-07-2016, 02:17 PM
Have not seen the others and will definitely wait to see all the options before deciding.

I agree the price point is high for what it is. If Tim was keeping all the money I'd probably cancel my pledge. However, Bernie is getting 50% of the proceeds, which I think he really needs right now, and I think it's not extraordinarily overpriced given there's a bunch of extras in addition to the original art (i.e., deluxe treatment on the portfolio, lunar calendar, regular calendar, t-shirt, pin, and maybe a werewolf skeleton letterpress print). Bernie getting 50% of the proceeds is the main thing keeping me in right now though.

wolfehr
11-07-2016, 02:24 PM
I suspect that most professional artists have stuff like that laying all over their houses and studios. Their wives (or significant others) probably pick that stuff up and use it to write shopping lists, memos, etc. IMO they have little value.

I feel like a lot of that will very by artist. If most of that ends up in the trash or with writing all over it, there's not going to be much for the market. On the other hand, if they keep most of that and sell it, there's probably a lot of material to go around that's going to drive down prices.

Robert Fulman
11-08-2016, 05:43 AM
I suspect that most professional artists have stuff like that laying all over their houses and studios. Their wives (or significant others) probably pick that stuff up and use it to write shopping lists, memos, etc. IMO they have little value.
I think an important variable is how closely related to the finished artwork the prelim is. I have a prelim sketch that Ned Dameron did for "Kull" (a Howard book published by Grant) that is one of my pride and joys. I have compared scans of the sketch and the finished painting, and it lines up so perfectly, that I suspect he transferred the sketch to his board somehow before painting. However, there is another piece from the same painting that has been on eBay forever, but the relationship is so abstract that it holds no interest for me. Also important to note that I paid ~$50 for the sketch. I don't think something this would be worth $1200 (but they all sold out, so what do I know?)

Theli
11-08-2016, 07:04 AM
I suspect that most professional artists have stuff like that laying all over their houses and studios. Their wives (or significant others) probably pick that stuff up and use it to write shopping lists, memos, etc. IMO they have little value.
I think an important variable is how closely related to the finished artwork the prelim is. I have a prelim sketch that Ned Dameron did for "Kull" (a Howard book published by Grant) that is one of my pride and joys. I have compared scans of the sketch and the finished painting, and it lines up so perfectly, that I suspect he transferred the sketch to his board somehow before painting. However, there is another piece from the same painting that has been on eBay forever, but the relationship is so abstract that it holds no interest for me. Also important to note that I paid ~$50 for the sketch. I don't think something this would be worth $1200 (but they all sold out, so what do I know?)

Man that Kull book is amazing. I'd say it's Ned's best work.

Also for the record there is quite a few of Bernie's prelims floating around. I have one from The Stand and I know someone else here has a couple from COTW, so it's not like they are impossible to find. So, yeah, the price is high if you are just buying it for the prelim, but it's more than just a prelim, and I do think that the value of his prelims will rise over time.

amd013
03-06-2017, 08:32 AM
Has anybody else gotten their's yet? I just received mine this weekend, and I am a little disappointed in the quality. I bougtht the $175 level. The callender was "wavey/warped", and there are a lot of indentations at the bottom. It looks as if they couldn't decide where to put the hole, and started to squeze a hole pucnch device before realizing they were off center.

Then the box with the prints has significant dents at the top. There appears to be no damage to the shipping box, so this seems like it was that way before shipping.

Sorry, didn't take pictures yet, but can take some tonight if anyone is interested.

I didn't open the prints yet, as I will probably contact Nakotomi.

Thanks,
Mike

Kingfan24
03-06-2017, 08:37 AM
I got mine but haven't inspected it closely. Will look tonight and check back in.

webstar1000
03-06-2017, 08:41 AM
Has anybody else gotten their's yet? I just received mine this weekend, and I am a little disappointed in the quality. I bougtht the $175 level. The callender was "wavey/warped", and there are a lot of indentations at the bottom. It looks as if they couldn't decide where to put the hole, and started to squeze a hole pucnch device before realizing they were off center.

Then the box with the prints has significant dents at the top. There appears to be no damage to the shipping box, so this seems like it was that way before shipping.

Sorry, didn't take pictures yet, but can take some tonight if anyone is interested.

I didn't open the prints yet, as I will probably contact Nakotomi.

Thanks,
Mike

Would like to see pics Mike....

surly
03-06-2017, 10:05 AM
I bought in at the calendar level, which was around $15 if I recall. It arrived in a cardboard envelope which was pretty beat up. The calendar has some noticeable bending from the shipping, but because the buy in was pretty low im not too worried about it. Its fun to finally have the images in a calendar as they were originally intended, but I am not sad I didn't go in for a higher level.

Beverly Marsh
03-07-2017, 05:26 AM
I bought in at the calendar level, which was around $15 if I recall. It arrived in a cardboard envelope which was pretty beat up. The calendar has some noticeable bending from the shipping, but because the buy in was pretty low im not too worried about it. Its fun to finally have the images in a calendar as they were originally intended, but I am not sad I didn't go in for a higher level.

Ditto everything you said with an added note that I wouldn't have minded helping Bernie out by going to a higher level but I just really didn't want anything else.

amd013
03-07-2017, 12:57 PM
Here are some photo's of the defects I mentioned.

First of the calender in general, you can tell from the light/shadow patterns that the calender is "wavey" (I'm sure there is a technical term for this, but I don't know what it is)

http://www.thedarktower.org/gallery/data/500/calender_wavey.jpg


Here is a zoom in on the pin hole. Looks like they started to put one off center and realized there mistake before punching it:


http://www.thedarktower.org/gallery/data/500/calender_holes.jpg


Here is damage to the lid of the box for the prints. Looks like pressure was placed here, no evidence on the packaging (although that was frankly not the best).
So I think this damage was there before it was packed.


http://www.thedarktower.org/gallery/data/500/cotw_box.jpg


Thanks,
Mike

Randall Flagg
03-07-2017, 02:36 PM
What a mess.
Damn near worthless.

east-tennessee
03-07-2017, 08:09 PM
Glad I passed on these :unsure:.... Although the Calendar would be pretty cool...:cool:

webstar1000
03-08-2017, 04:09 AM
Just a note. I think Bernie is in a pinch financially and I heard (on FB maybe) that they are doing many more of these. For other facets of his work mind you.... either way, I will be steering clear of all them no matter King related or not.

Tim Doyle
03-08-2017, 10:14 AM
Hello!
Tim Doyle from Nakatomi here. I really wish people would contact us first if they have an issue, as posting before contacting us gives the impression that we don't care about the customer.
We will 100% replace at no cost any damages that may occur in shipping! Out of the 200+ sets we've shipped so far, we've only had reports of 2 damages, which isn't a bad rate, considering how the USPS normally rolls!

So, as always- if you have an issue- email us first through either the Kickstarter messaging system, or through our contact form on the site, Nakatomiinc.com

Now- regarding Bernie- he's not just having some financial difficulties- his recent stroke has left him unable to work at all, and he's effectively retired. It unfortunately slowed down delivery of this project a bit, and other manufacturing issues pushed the deadline back. But the point is- projects like this and others we will have in the future are going to be one of the ways he'll have an income, so PLEASE don't let one bad bounce in shipping turn people off of supporting him, either through projects we do- or he does with other vendors. Bernie and his Wife are good friends of mine, and great people, and deserve all of our support.

With that said, thank all here who supported this project, and all the ones to come.

Merlin1958
03-08-2017, 08:06 PM
Hello!
Tim Doyle from Nakatomi here. I really wish people would contact us first if they have an issue, as posting before contacting us gives the impression that we don't care about the customer.
We will 100% replace at no cost any damages that may occur in shipping! Out of the 200+ sets we've shipped so far, we've only had reports of 2 damages, which isn't a bad rate, considering how the USPS normally rolls!

So, as always- if you have an issue- email us first through either the Kickstarter messaging system, or through our contact form on the site, Nakatomiinc.com

Now- regarding Bernie- he's not just having some financial difficulties- his recent stroke has left him unable to work at all, and he's effectively retired. It unfortunately slowed down delivery of this project a bit, and other manufacturing issues pushed the deadline back. But the point is- projects like this and others we will have in the future are going to be one of the ways he'll have an income, so PLEASE don't let one bad bounce in shipping turn people off of supporting him, either through projects we do- or he does with other vendors. Bernie and his Wife are good friends of mine, and great people, and deserve all of our support.

With that said, thank all here who supported this project, and all the ones to come.

Sounds like a reputable retailer and a reasonable explanation, IMHO. Reputation to be determined? I say give them a chance to screw it up before he gets toasted?

amd013
03-16-2017, 03:37 PM
Hi Everyone,

Just wanted to report that Tim and Alex at Nakatomi took care of the issue, and I received a replacement calendar and box for the prints and they are in perfect condition.

Thanks,
Mike

swintek
01-15-2019, 07:18 PM
Nakatomi is having a 50% off on various items in their shop- including the last remaining COTW portfolio sets- for the next day or so. I didn't buy in at the kickstarer a couple of years ago, but did get one at their last sale at Christmas and was very impressed with it. I know some folks had various issues, but, I was pleasantly surprised by the presentation and quality here- especially at $100. And, Tim and Co seem like good people over there. Just in case anyone was interested.

https://store.nakatomiinc.com/cycleofthewerewolf-wrightsonportfolioset.aspx