Best Sci-Fi Tournament - Round 3, Group B

[fernandito]

http://static.rogerebert.com/uploads/movie/movie_poster/close-encounters-of-the-third-kind-1980/large_mABOVIUl5lB0WF4HG28rfamgxG1.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/9/93/Invasion_of_the_body_snatchers_movie_poster_1978.j pg

http://www.tekparthdfilmizle.net/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/Jurassic-Park-1.jpg

http://static.blogo.it/cinemaniablog/t/ter/terminator-2-edicion-coleccionista/Cinemaniablog_t204.jpg

http://img3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20110414084153/pixar/images/9/9e/Wall_e_ver11.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/3/31/Film_poster_The_War_of_the_Worlds_1953.jpg

[fernandito]

Jurassic Park
Terminator 2

Easy.

[mae]

Jurassic Park
Terminator 2

Easy.

Same here. With Close Encounters of the Third Kind as an honorable mention.

[divemaster]

Jurassic Park
Terminator 2

Easy.

Same here. With Close Encounters of the Third Kind as an honorable mention.

I concur.

[frik]

Close Encounters
Jurassic Park

sk

[Mattrick]

Now Wall-E is going down. This tournament depresses me.

[Merlin1958]

Close Encounters
Jurassic Park

sk

Ditto. Man, this was a tough one.

[Br!an]

The trailer for A Good Marriage was released. Oct. 3 release date.

http://trailers.apple.com/trailers/independent/agoodmarriage/

[fernandito]

Now Wall-E is going down. This tournament depresses me.
You'd put Wall-E over Jurassic Park or Terminator 2??

[Ricky]

Jurassic Park and Terminator 2.

[Heather19]

Jurassic Park and T2

[Mattrick]

Now Wall-E is going down. This tournament depresses me.
You'd put Wall-E over Jurassic Park or Terminator 2??

I wouldn't put it over T-2 necessarily but over Jurassic Park? Hell yeah. I mean, I love Jurassic Park, but thematically Wall-E destroys every single dinosaur on Isla Nublar. Themes are the quintessential aspect of science fiction. I can't give a spectacle, entertainment, adventure romp my vote over one of the most intelligent, thought provoking films of my lifetime. Wall-E isn't #4 on my top films from the 2000's for nothing.

[WeDealInLead]

Yeah but it's not just about the theme. If it was, Body Snatchers would reign supreme and 1984 wouldn't have been eliminated in round 1. At the very least (and sticking to this group) Close Encounters would be doing better.

[Mattrick]

It should be about theme, though. Science Fiction is about ideas, it was originated in the realm of ideas, it's children are borne from ideas..it's called 'a literature of ideas' for a reason. Compared to the novel, Jurassic Park the movie has so few themes you could fit them in a tic-tac container.

[T-Dogz_AK47]

Jurassic Park and Terminator 2.

Too easy.

[Still Servant]

This is where it gets difficult.

[Jean]

Terminator 2

[mae]

Terminator 2

Not that it really needs it, but no Jurassic Park?

[Mattrick]

He didn't like it from my recollection.

[fernandito]

It should be about theme, though. Science Fiction is about ideas, it was originated in the realm of ideas, it's children are borne from ideas..it's called 'a literature of ideas' for a reason. Compared to the novel, Jurassic Park the movie has so few themes you could fit them in a tic-tac container.

Hmmm, I think you're selling it a little short. It might not have as many ideas as it's novel counterpart, but the most interesting one is still intact - mankind and his arrogance. Mankind's hubris coming back to bite it in the ass - no pun intended - is one of the most interesting themes I think, in this case embodied by the genetically engineered dinosaurs.

And since we're voting on a visual medium, and Jurassic Park is one of the most visually heralded films of pretty much ever, I see nothing wrong with it emerging from this group.

[Jean]

Terminator 2

Not that it really needs it, but no Jurassic Park?


He didn't like it from my recollection.

Right.

[Mattrick]

It should be about theme, though. Science Fiction is about ideas, it was originated in the realm of ideas, it's children are borne from ideas..it's called 'a literature of ideas' for a reason. Compared to the novel, Jurassic Park the movie has so few themes you could fit them in a tic-tac container.

Hmmm, I think you're selling it a little short. It might not have as many ideas as it's novel counterpart, but the most interesting one is still intact - mankind and his arrogance. Mankind's hubris coming back to bite it in the ass - no pun intended - is one of the most interesting themes I think, in this case embodied by the genetically engineered dinosaurs.

And since we're voting on a visual medium, and Jurassic Park is one of the most visually heralded films of pretty much ever, I see nothing wrong with it emerging from this group.

Wall-E is full of Mankind's hubris biting it in it's ass: overconsumption, capitalism self-destructing, corporate government, reliance on machines and technology, consumer waste, razing of resources...all things things not only lead to the end of human life on earth but turn humanity into a gelatinous, docile and technologically controlled organism. And visually Wall-E is one of the most beautiful films I've ever seen. I think on both aspects Wall-E is a superior film, the only thing Wall-E doesn't have is Goldblum lol. Wall-E is a great science fiction film and I hope it's not being short changed here because it's an animated/family film. I think there is more themes and amazing imagery in the opening couple minutes of Wall-E than the whole of Jurassic Park.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLx_7wEmwms

[fernandito]

Hearty endorsement! I don't remember getting all of that from Wall-E but then again I didn't get to watch it in optimum conditions (lots of people around, talking, joints being passed etc.,)

I'll give it another go soon.

[Mattrick]

That clip is not the clip I was looking for...same droid though! lol

I didn't think it was possible for a film to have so much commentary but it's everywhere in Wall-E. The scene I was looking for was just Wall-E moving through a city and it tells the entire story of what happened to the planet in the background. It's quite astounding. I love Jurassic Park, I just think Wall-E is a much better science fiction film in general, dystopian themes, subjugation by machines, political statements, space travel, artificial intelligence and robots..it's got everything except time travel and alternate dimensions lol. You should give it another go, it's a marvel of filmmaking. An interesting thing is that Pixar had the idea for Wall-E before Toy Story back in the early 90's but they wanted to wait until technology advanced enough to make it how they wanted to.

[Still Servant]

I think on both aspects Wall-E is a superior film, the only thing Wall-E doesn't have is Goldblum lol. Wall-E is a great science fiction film and I hope it's not being short changed here because it's an animated/family film. I think there is more themes and amazing imagery in the opening couple minutes of Wall-E than the whole of Jurassic Park.

Not in this plane of existence or any other.

I agree with most of what you said about Wall-E. The first half of that film is fantastic. However, the second half doesn't come close to matching the level of greatness that is the first half. I feel that when the humans were introduced, the film lost something for me.

Jurassic Park is just simply more entertaining. Wipe away everything else and it's the movie I will choose to watch every time over Wall-E.

[Mattrick]

I thought that until I watched it a few more times. When you think Wall-E was written and already under production before social media really became something, it's scarily prophetic. It shows humans who are alive and not living, so that they don't know a world beyond what their screens tell them and even the touch of another human is an alien thing because all their interactions are impersonal, filtered through machines. The humans don't even have jobs anymore, except for the captain who isn't even really steering the wheel (love the nefarious ship wheel robot lol). They are fat, lazy, entitled with their every whim satiated almost before they even think it, such as the robot ready with a drink the moment a human wants one. It's a pretty harsh yet accurate statement of modern day 1st world life and where it might go. That's why I love Wall-E because it's future, Buy N' Large, almost seems inevitable lol

[Still Servant]

I thought that until I watched it a few more times. When you think Wall-E was written and already under production before social media really became something, it's scarily prophetic. It shows humans who are alive and not living, so that they don't know a world beyond what their screens tell them and even the touch of another human is an alien thing because all their interactions are impersonal, filtered through machines. The humans don't even have jobs anymore, except for the captain who isn't even really steering the wheel (love the nefarious ship wheel robot lol). They are fat, lazy, entitled with their every whim satiated almost before they even think it, such as the robot ready with a drink the moment a human wants one. It's a pretty harsh yet accurate statement of modern day 1st world life and where it might go. That's why I love Wall-E because it's future, Buy N' Large, almost seems inevitable lol

Those are all reasons I enjoyed Wall-E as well. Wall-E is a glimpse of a possible future. One reason I love Jurassic Park is that it's the past being brought into the present.

[Mattrick]

If Jurassic Park was more of a hard sci/monster movie instead of humour-fill, joyride that it is I would probably consider a better sci-fi film than I do. Children of Men is the same way, not even sure if I voted for it. I love it, top ten films of it's decade it just didn't really explore enough of the whys of that future enough for me to consider it great sci-fi as opposed to just a great movie. I've been that way with several films that have been nominated, I might not love it but I don't necessarily love it because it is sci-fi, like Jurassic Park. The only reason I even consider Jurassic Park sci-fi is because they actually showed/explained all the science behind the park, and, my favourite part of the film is the conversation when they are all eating..."I call it the rape of the natural world,"....if only this sort of stuff wasn't shoved into a fifteen minute block :/

[fernandito]

That's one of my favorite scenes too.

Another is when Hammond and Ellie are in the dining room and even though everything has gone to shit around them, he still harbors a false hope of being able to restore order to the park. It's complimented nicely by his epilogue in The Lost World where he expresses that - contrary to humanity's assurance that everything is benefited by our meddling - sometimes order requires our absence.

[Mattrick]

Can't you see the fleas? Dadda can't you see the fleas? Mama can't you see the fleas? On all their trapezes and shit?

THESE DINOS STILL BE FLEAS YOU OLD ASS FOO!

:(

[DoctorZaius]

Can't believe Close Encounters will lose to Jurassic Park. Should be called Jurassic Jaws - the movie is a recycling of the same principles Spielberg used to make Jaws to good.

[Ben Staad]

This does seem crazy. I have watched J. Park on three different occasions and have never actually enjoyed any of the viewings.


Can't believe Close Encounters will lose to Jurassic Park.

[fernandito]

#dealwithit

:cool:

[mae]

T2 with a strong showing again. I think this will be the last such showing...

[Heather19]

It's had a strong showing the entire time, I wouldn't at all be surprised if it makes it to the finals.

[fernandito]

One can only hope ♥

Advancing
Terminator 2
Jurassic Park

[Still Servant]

This does seem crazy. I have watched J. Park on three different occasions and have never actually enjoyed any of the viewings.


Can't believe Close Encounters will lose to Jurassic Park.

Sucks for you.