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jon10g
12-06-2013, 12:45 PM
King is now on Twitter.
https://mobile.twitter.com/StephenKingAuth

Ben Staad
12-06-2013, 12:55 PM
Crap.

herbertwest
12-06-2013, 01:32 PM
It has now become : @StephenKing (and is also verified)
And while you're at it, just follow : @ClubStephenKing

He may not post often, and i am convinced that it's mostly to avoid what happened last week : someone pretended to be King on twitter.

Randall Flagg
12-06-2013, 02:04 PM
Fuck. The world has come to an end.

pathoftheturtle
12-06-2013, 02:56 PM
i am convinced that it's mostly to avoid what happened last week : someone pretended to be King on twitter.

Uh... knowing twitter, I bet that happens every week...

mae
12-06-2013, 03:38 PM
http://mashable.com/2013/12/06/stephen-king-twitter/

The towering giant of horror, Stephen King, will now be thrilling us regularly with his updates on Twitter.

That's our hope, at least. King took his first tentative step onto the service Friday afternoon with this quip:

My first tweet. No longer a virgin. Be gentle!

His handle quickly gained a "verified" tick mark, and just as quickly changed from @StephenKingAuth to @StephenKing. Presumably whoever previously held that handle wasn't using it any more. (We've reached out to Twitter to find out.)

But then King's Twitter experience took an eerily familiar turn. He fell victim to one of the same problems that afflicted Jack Torrance in The Shining: writer's block.

On Twitter at last, and can't think of a thing to say. Some writer I turned out to be.

Despite being late to the Twitter party, King is a fan of new media in general. In 2000, he published what is generally thought to be the world's first mass market commercial e-book, Riding the Bullet; later that year he distributed a serialized online work, The Plant.

In 2009, King wrote a novella called UR, specifically tied to the launch of the Kindle 2 (it featured a prognosticating Kindle as part of the plot). A Twitter-based novella may not be that far behind.

Meanwhile, if King needs advice on how to expand his Twitter presence, he could do worse than asking fellow horror author R.L. Stine. Last year, Stine offered a spooky Halloween story in the form of 13 tweets.

mae
12-06-2013, 03:40 PM
Crap.


Fuck. The world has come to an end.

Why? I think this is great. Finally some actual online presence for King. Other writers often interact directly with their fans online.

Looking forward to a limited edition hardcover collection of King's tweets :panic:

pathoftheturtle
12-07-2013, 02:23 AM
... But then King's Twitter experience took an eerily familiar turn. He fell victim to one of the same problems that afflicted Jack Torrance in The Shining: writer's block.That's a kind of heavy interpretation for one cute little tweet. Too soon to assume that all we'll get is an account like this one: https://twitter.com/The_Alan_Alda

herbertwest
12-07-2013, 03:22 AM
i am convinced that it's mostly to avoid what happened last week : someone pretended to be King on twitter.
Uh... knowing twitter, I bet that happens every week...


Actually, no.

pathoftheturtle
12-07-2013, 11:35 AM
i am convinced that it's mostly to avoid what happened last week : someone pretended to be King on twitter.
Uh... knowing twitter, I bet that happens every week...


Actually, no.I'm only saying it is common for most famous people someone pretends to be them. King should not worry that everyone believes it. We have to be skeptical.

I'm not saying I approve. Why people do that, I can't understand. I see there must be some cheap thrill at first, but they ought to know better.

Mr. Rabbit Trick
12-08-2013, 01:17 AM
Now that King has an official Twitter account, will all his tweets be regarded as "Non-fiction" and be collected in the various bibliographies?

https://twitter.com/StephenKing

herbertwest
12-08-2013, 03:43 AM
Na.
At the best, his twitter account should be mentionned on a bibliography, but that's pretty much it.
Unless is start publishing essays/short stories and cut them into tweets.

WeDealInLead
12-08-2013, 08:24 AM
Tweets from Hell S/L?

I'd buy something like that if it was done in print form with a genuine signature.

Jean
12-08-2013, 10:30 AM
I haven't revisited Twitter since someone started sending spam from my account. I wonder what would King fans think if a similar thing happens to his account.

mae
12-11-2013, 11:11 AM
Looks like King's been pretty active on Twitter so far, and it's really him, not just a PR account.

mae
01-16-2014, 06:54 AM
http://wonkette.com/539184/twitchy-has-twitch-fit-at-stephen-king-failing-to-make-obama-villain-in-all-his-novels

The nine fulltime employees at Twitchy were shocked and outraged because novelist Stephen King said an extremely biased, unfair, and totally offensive thing today! Specifically, the wealthy horror-book machine tweeted a thing about Chris Christie. Hope you’re sitting down, because it is hyper-partisan!

On the Bridge Scandal: Impossible to believe Chris Christie’s rude & pugnacious attitude didn’t filter down to the troops.

That…monster! No, not the one shambling out of the basement, we mean Stephen King. See, Team Twitchy caught King in a lie: He wrote about Chris Christie, but he completely failed to write about Barack Obama.

Sigh. Oh sweetie. The lack of Obama-awareness is staggering.

Seriously, kids, they have nine paid bloggers.

And so the brave Twitchers struck back, calling King to task for talking about one thing, but not the other thing that they really think is far, far worse:

http://img.wonkette.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/king-tweets.jpg

This is a pretty good game! Hey, Stephen King, why did you write a novel about people in a small town trapped under a force field and unable to get help from outside, instead of a novel about a tyrannical president that stands by and does nothing while terrorists attack brave Americans trapped in an embassy and unable to get the help they need, because the tyrant stands by, watching it all unfold while doing gay sex, but not sending help, and then lying about it, and is a gay muslim socialist? THAT would be a good novel.

Stupid Stephen King. If he were a good writer, he’d have been assassinated by Barack Obama, just like Andrew Breitbart and Tom Clancy were.

Bev Vincent
01-16-2014, 07:20 AM
The nine are up in arms again: http://twitchy.com/2014/01/16/stephen-king-is-just-asking-questions-about-fatty-fat-christies-big-fat-candidacy/

(dare I say, all a-twitter?)

Ben Staad
01-16-2014, 08:58 AM
I think they made some interesting points (pablos post) but I certainly do not like the weird and counter-productive name calling they used. Either way people are allowed their own opinion but I really do not like when people make statements like this group did.

mae
02-04-2014, 07:24 AM
http://entertainment.time.com/2014/02/04/dylan-farrow-woody-allen-stephen-king/

webstar1000
02-04-2014, 07:27 AM
wow.. King probably will quit that soon. Probably not his style anyway..

herbertwest
02-04-2014, 11:50 PM
King published a lengthly text about it on his facebook page


Those of you who follow Twitter will know that recently I managed to put my foot in my mouth and halfway down my throat. A good many people came away from my tweet about the Woody Allen controversy with the idea that I had called Dylan Farrow or Mia Farrow (or both) a bitch. That wasn’t my intention, but the conclusion on the part of some readers is understandable. I used the wrong word to describe not Ms. Farrow—either Ms. Farrow—but a sad and painful mess. Some people seem to believe that writers never use the wrong word, but any editor can tell you that’s not true.

Those of you who have read my work—Carrie, Dolores Claiborne, Rose Madder, and Lisey’s Story, to name four—will know that I have plenty of respect for women, and care about the problems and life-situations they face. My single-mom mother faced plenty, believe me. And I have no sympathy whatever for those who abuse children. I wrote about such abuse—and its ultimate cost to the victim—in Gerald’s Game.

The maximum number of letters in a Tweet is 140. I think the following would fit: I apologize for screwing up.

Just know my heart is where it’s always been: in the right place.

>>> https://www.facebook.com/OfficialStephenKing/posts/366630433476545?stream_ref=5

RichardX
02-05-2014, 02:58 PM
Over 60 types like King probably don't realize that the net is not the best place to vent their personal opinions on controversial topics if they don't want to stir the pot. If you say the sky is blue, someone will respond with a tirade about global warming. That's not to defend King who I think has really said some questionable things. He should give it a rest and stick to talking about what people want to hear from him - his books and stories.

pathoftheturtle
02-05-2014, 06:54 PM
I like how he defended himself by pointing to certain books and stories - he wouldn't be able to do that if he'd made it a policy to hide what people don't want to hear. Interestingly, personal values of writers is a key question in this central controversy itself. Here's an article I appreciate a lot: http://thinkprogress.org/alyssa/2014/02/03/3239511/woody-allen/

Merlin1958
02-05-2014, 07:15 PM
Welcome to the boards, Mr King!! Post regularly and often!!! :evil:

Joe315
03-18-2014, 10:21 PM
@StephenKing: Oooo, right-wingers mad about Obamacare tweets. They're the ones who think the earth is 6000 years old. THAT'S scary.

Don't care that he supports the affordable care act, but this isn't how to defend your position. Not going to follow him anymore.

mae
09-18-2015, 09:09 AM
http://bloody-disgusting.com/news/3362095/stephen-king-loved-the-green-inferno/

It’s not out until next week but author Stephen King has seen Eli Roth’s The Green Inferno and he liked what he witnessed! Dubbing it a “glorious throwback“, King’s Twitter review is one hell of an endorsement for the film, which was plagued with release issues.

Heading deep into The Green Inferno with Lorenza Izzo are Ariel Levy, Daryl Sabara and Kirby Bliss Blanton, who star in the pic that “follows a group of student activists who from New York City travel to the Amazon to protect a dying tribe, but crash in the jungle and are taken hostage by the very natives they saved.

Dark and primitive customs still rule the Amazon jungle: cannibalism and other mind, body and soul-destroying rituals. Trapped in the village, these high-tech modern-world students experience the ultimate in primal barbaric terror, suffering unspeakable acts of violence in an intense and chilling rituals reserved only for the most threatening intruders.

The Green Inferno eats its way into theaters on September 25th.


THE GREEN INFERNO is like a glorious throwback to the drive-in movies of my youth: bloody, gripping, hard to watch, but you can't look away.

— Stephen King (@StephenKing) September 18, 2015

Mr. Rabbit Trick
09-18-2015, 09:46 AM
http://ia.media-imdb.com/images/M/MV5BMTE0MjgzMjk5MzdeQTJeQWpwZ15BbWU4MDM5OTM1MTYx.j pg

Nice poster. But a poor rating on IMDB.

Stockerlone
11-09-2015, 06:50 AM
Stephen King on #inspiration: #ScreenCraft
https://twitter.com/screencrafting/status/663634920707899392
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CJRVT1vUwAAx6Cx.jpg

mae
12-07-2015, 12:21 PM
http://2paragraphs.com/2015/12/stephen-king-hits-donald-trump-again/

Stephen King, master of horror and astute observer of fear and its effects, recently tweeted that "Donald Trump is like the crazy, ranting uncle you hope your friends will never meet." King, who can take it, heard some contrarian views in the comments. People felt the need to tell the best-selling author that Trump is going to save America (which is apparently being torn asunder by immigrants bearing a striking resemblance to Cujo). What got people so upset was King's characterization of Trump as crazy. Or maybe it was the idea of Trump being an uncle.

Donald Trump is like the crazy, ranting uncle you hope your friends will never meet.

— Stephen King (@StephenKing) December 6, 2015

It's not the first time King has bared his teeth at Trump. Back in August, King came up with a poetic campaign slogan for the billionaire GOP candidate, centering on Trump's seeming predilection for pale people. (See below.) King is perhaps particularly well-suited to comment on Trump, whose rhetoric seems designed to play on people's deep-seated fears. They're both very good at that game. Like Trump, King clearly isn't afraid of stirring up the passions of people who don't agree with him. Not long after his Trump tweet, King had the temerity to write: "Obama just spoke with the voice of reason. Imagine that."

How's this for a Trump campaign slogan: IF YOU'RE WHITE, YOU'RE ALL RIGHT! ANY OTHER HUE, I DON'T TRUST YOU. — Stephen King (@StephenKing) August 5, 2015

Obama just spoke with the voice of reason. Imagine that.

— Stephen King (@StephenKing) December 7, 2015

mae
05-09-2016, 08:57 AM
http://www.salon.com/2016/05/09/house_of_cards_meets_sharknado_stephen_kings_twitt er_campaign_against_donald_trump_is_simply_amazing/

The 2016 primary candidates have drawn unsolicited endorsements from a number of celebrities from lists A through D. Now that the herd’s been thinned (especially for the once-17-candidate GOP field) and four candidates (sorry, Kasich; you’re welcome, Sanders and Cruz) remain with any chance of surviving until the general, celebs from George Clooney to Charles Barkley on the center-left and -right, respectively, are placing their bets.

Rarer, however, are celebrity un-endorsements — like the one bestselling horror novelist and screenwriter, Stephen King, gave to Donald Trump last summer, and hasn’t stopped giving since:

Trump! The raging id of the Republican Party!

— Stephen King (@StephenKing) July 13, 2015

How's this for a Trump campaign slogan: IF YOU'RE WHITE, YOU'RE ALL RIGHT! ANY OTHER HUE, I DON'T TRUST YOU.

— Stephen King (@StephenKing) August 5, 2015

Donald Trump: There hasn't been a novelty act this annoying since Alvin and the Chipmunks.

— Stephen King (@StephenKing) August 6, 2015

There comes a time, however, when King goes silent. Given his prolific body of work, he definitely hadn’t run out of material; more like he got sick of legitimizing the Trump Train.

Instead, he would intermittently trash Trump’s platform — meriting an honorable mention:

Hating all Muslims for what happened in Paris is like hating all Christians because of the gay-hating Westboro Baptist Church.

— Stephen King (@StephenKing) November 14, 2015

New right-wing idea: put America in a gigantic Zip-Loc Baggie, keep all nasty germy foreigners out

— Stephen King (@StephenKing) November 17, 2015

Thankfully, the drought lasted only a few months before he had to walk back his hardline stance:

I can no longer tweet about Trump. That anyone in America would even CONSIDER voting for this rabid coyote leaves me speechless.

— Stephen King (@StephenKing) December 9, 2015

King’s War on Christmas present to his followers this year was a cute new nickname for the unmentionable “rabid coyote”:

Happy holidays, you Twitterheads. Love & peace to all of you, even the NRA types and those willing to vote for He Who Must Not Be Named.

— Stephen King (@StephenKing) December 24, 2015

Ted Cruz vs. He Who Must Not Be Named: The unspeakable in pursuit of the reprehensible.

— Stephen King (@StephenKing) January 25, 2016

The stupidest, ugliest Presidential campaign in my entire life: HOUSE OF CARDS meets SHARKNADO.

— Stephen King (@StephenKing) February 15, 2016

Oh, look! A rabid coyote with bad hair won the South Carolina primary! Please clap!

— Stephen King (@StephenKing) February 21, 2016

Republican debate: The whole world is laughing at us. SOMEBODY SHUT THESE CLOWNS UP.

— Stephen King (@StephenKing) March 4, 2016

Populist demagogues like He Who Must Not Be Named aren't a new thing; see THE DEAD ZONE, published 37 years ago.

— Stephen King (@StephenKing) March 15, 2016

Of course, the rallies held by He Who Must Not Be Named ARE reality shows, often reminding me in a weird way of DUCK DYNASTY.

— Stephen King (@StephenKing) March 15, 2016

Rick Scott and Paul LePage, the worst two governors in the US, have now endorsed He Who Must Not Be Named. Moderate Repubs are blushing.

— Stephen King (@StephenKing) March 16, 2016

For a better understanding of Cruz and He Who Must Not Be Named, read ASSHOLES: A THEORY, by Aaron James, now in paperback.

— Stephen King (@StephenKing) March 30, 2016

While I don't like He Who Must Not Be Named, it was great fun to see Ted Cruz take a pants-down butt whuppin'.

— Stephen King (@StephenKing) April 20, 2016

And when “He Who Must Not Be Named” became the presumptive nominee after pummeling Cruz and Kasich (duh) in Indiana:

Hey, Repubs: It's like they say in the antiques stores–you broke ot, you own it.

— Stephen King (@StephenKing) May 7, 2016

Ted Cruz and Sarah Palin:sublimely irritating political speakers. Listening to them is like having root canal surgery without anesthetic.

— Stephen King (@StephenKing) May 8, 2016

It ain't the content (vacuous though it may be), it's the delivery.

— Stephen King (@StephenKing) May 8, 2016

mtdman
05-16-2016, 04:58 PM
I love many of his works. But I don't care about his politics and he seems like a huge douche bag from what he posts on twitter.

NoAttitudeThisTime
05-16-2016, 05:48 PM
Well, that's your opinion. I happen to think he's right on...most of the times.

CyberGhostface
05-16-2016, 07:31 PM
I'm fairly liberal (voted for Obama twice and will vote for whoever the Democratic nominee is) and agree with King on most points but I find it amusing that his Christian counterpoint to the Islamic terrorists that were responsible for the deaths of over a hundred people is a group of IRL internet trolls who haven't killed a single person.

RichardX
07-29-2016, 05:09 AM
King really seems to have gone off his nut about Trump. Some of his recent posts are downright strange.

CyberGhostface
07-31-2016, 05:51 PM
What did he say that's so strange?

mtdman
08-02-2016, 06:08 PM
He sounds like a petulant child that resorts to calling names and making fun of those he doesn't agree with. If I held King in high respect for anything other than his writing, i would be disappointed in him. However, King has done much to show what a douche he is in real life over the last few years, and this kind of stuff doesn't surprise me.

NoAttitudeThisTime
08-02-2016, 08:14 PM
He sounds like a petulant child that resorts to calling names and making fun of those he doesn't agree with. If I held King in high respect for anything other than his writing, i would be disappointed in him. However, King has done much to show what a douche he is in real life over the last few years, and this kind of stuff doesn't surprise me.

Isn't that a bit too much? There has been a lot of cases where he has - still - proven to be a great human being and helpful of people in need! Just because his Tweets about Trump (politics in general) pissed you off, or whatever it is, shouldn't give you reason to slander him like that! He's not a douche bag in real life! Geez! Read his novels and stories, google for research into the good stuff King has done and still do, and stay away from Twitter!

St. Troy
08-03-2016, 05:06 AM
King's politics and mine rarely overlap, but he seems to think the things he does because he has the right goals in mind, cares about people etc. - in short, a decent guy. Not that I'd accept this defense from a terrorist or a cop-killer, but from someone who merely makes statements with which I disagree, sure. I certainly don't know the man personally, but loads of info about his entire life is out there, and I'm pretty confident that that's what he is - a decent guy.

Mattrick
08-03-2016, 06:33 PM
He sounds like a petulant child that resorts to calling names and making fun of those he doesn't agree with. If I held King in high respect for anything other than his writing, i would be disappointed in him. However, King has done much to show what a douche he is in real life over the last few years, and this kind of stuff doesn't surprise me.

This is why there is no politics at the dinner table.

T-Dogz_AK47
08-03-2016, 09:39 PM
He sounds like a petulant child that resorts to calling names and making fun of those he doesn't agree with. If I held King in high respect for anything other than his writing, i would be disappointed in him. However, King has done much to show what a douche he is in real life over the last few years, and this kind of stuff doesn't surprise me.

You sound butthurt. What's the matter, did Stephen King refuse to sign your book or something? LOL! :rolleyes:

Kingfan24
08-04-2016, 04:17 AM
His Twitter is just filled with petty shit and name calling. That's why I don't follow him. I think the height of his pettiness was shown in under the dome when Jim Rennie was basically Dick Cheny. Who's butt hurt now?

T-Dogz_AK47
08-04-2016, 02:27 PM
His Twitter is just filled with petty shit and name calling. That's why I don't follow him. I think the height of his pettiness was shown in under the dome when Jim Rennie was basically Dick Cheny. Who's butt hurt now?

Donald Trump's twitter is the one filled with petty shit and name calling. Being the kind of insults you would expect to hear from a junior school playground, Trump's repartee contain real zingers like "loser", "lightweight", "moron" or "dummy". If that's not enough, he will also tweet insults about women - calling them either "fat", "ugly", a "slob", a "pig" or a "disgusting animal"..... Real classy! :rolleyes:

Rather than being petty, Stephen King's tweets are both accurate and witty - two things that Donald Trump will never be. :nope:

As for Jim Rennie in Under the Dome being based on Dick Cheney, this is what Stephen King had to say on the subject during an interview with The New York Times....

"I was angry about incompetency. Obviously I'm on the left of center. I didn't believe there was justification for going into the war in Iraq. And it just seemed at the time, that in the wake of 9/11, the Bush Administration was like this angry kid walking down the street who couldn't find whoever sucker punched him, and so turned around and punched the first likely suspect. Sometimes the sublimely wrong people can be in power at a time when you really need the right people. I put a lot of that into the book. But when I started I said, "I want to use the Bush–Cheney dynamic for the people who are the leaders of this town." As a result, you have Big Jim Rennie, the villain of the piece. I got to like the other guy, Andy Sanders. He wasn't actively evil, he was just incompetent - which is how I always felt about George W. Bush. I enjoyed taking the Bush-Cheney dynamic and shrinking it to the small-town level. The last administration interested me because of the aura of fundamentalist religion that surrounded it and the rather amazing incompetency of those two top guys. I thought there is something blackly humorous in it. So in a sense, Under the Dome is an apocalyptic version of The Peter Principle."

Personally, I don't see a problem with that at all.

Who's butthurt now? Certainly not me, but I'm hoping that come November - it will be Donald Trump. thumbsdownsmall

St. Troy
08-05-2016, 05:08 AM
I still don't know what "butthurt" means.

King and Trump are both pretty sparky on Twitter; I'm just not sure how Trump's Twitter oddness, as pronounced as it is, frees King from criticism (not that I care about King's tweets; I'm familiar with his views and therefore not surprised by them). I rarely check King's Twitter, but when I do it's to see if he has anything interesting to say about entertainment, books etc.; I pretty much know that his tweets concerning politics and current events will hold little value for me.

I also don't see (and perhaps there's a reason and I'm just not aware of it) what the Rennie/Cheney comparison/modeling has to do with Twitter; how SK views public officials and writes his characters is his business.

RichardX
08-05-2016, 05:47 AM
Referring to the republican convention as a "lynch mob" with all the racist and violent history that term holds was too much. Like a lot of people King has lost all perspective and views politics as a us vs them battle in which anyone who disagrees with him must be evil and destroyed. There are other examples of his idiocy in the past like claiming soldiers would not be in Iraq if they had read more (ie he believes only unintelligent people are in the military). He tried to spin his way out of that but that is exactly what he meant. Most of his stuff is petty nonsense but I guess that is sort of the nature of Twitter.

St. Troy
08-05-2016, 06:23 AM
Referring to the republican convention as a "lynch mob" with all the racist and violent history that term holds was too much. Like a lot of people King has lost all perspective and views politics as a us vs them battle in which anyone who disagrees with him must be evil and destroyed. There are other examples of his idiocy in the past like claiming soldiers would not be in Iraq if they had read more (ie he believes only unintelligent people are in the military). He tried to spin his way out of that but that is exactly what he meant. Most of his stuff is petty nonsense but I guess that is sort of the nature of Twitter.

Don't get me wrong; I definitely see why such sentiments would strike you as off base (King definitely wasn't speaking for me when he wrote such things); I just look at it like I'd look at it if this were a friend or family member (I don't get too upset when considering those in my circle who vote different from me and believe things I don't believe). I still remember finding out that some friends were going to vote for Bill Clinton in 1992 (they seemed so normal! :scared:), and a good friend (present day) is an incredible liberal (I am...the opposite of this :evil:). But, you just say "it is what it is" and move on.

If I were an entertainer, I would struggle mightily over whether or not to air my political views (via Twitter or anything else). While it would be satisfying to raise my voice for what I saw as right, I'd be certain to alienate at least a portion of my potential audience (maybe not a concern for established people like King).

St. Troy
08-05-2016, 06:39 AM
If Hillary had walked through the doors during Chris Christie's speech and the chants of "LOCK HER UP" which essentially could have been replaced with "BURN THE WITCH" it felt like she would have been attacked.

Seeing one thing as another is the problem here - chanting "lock her up" isn't "burn the witch" or assault (you may as well say "this man frowned at me, which is like calling me a name or punching me"). Maybe we can call this Internal Escalation Anxiety or something.

"Lock her up" might not strike all ears as beautiful, but it's easier and has fewer syllables than trying to chant Comey's list of things she did. And before anyone leaps in to defend any of what she did, keep in mind that whether you agree that she did anything wrong is quite beside the point - the RNC was a convention whose purpose was to appoint someone to oppose and defeat HC and therefore must hold that position.

mae
08-05-2016, 06:41 AM
Referring to the republican convention as a "lynch mob" with all the racist and violent history that term holds was too much.

This is not really the place, and it might've been a bit too much, but the crowd was chanting "Lock her up!" which is pretty lynch-mobby. Not to mention that later Trump crowds have been reported as saying that Capt. Khan, a fallen American hero, should be dug up and deported with his parents.

And more stuff like:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R9YPYRaeTW0

St. Troy
08-05-2016, 06:56 AM
...the crowd was chanting "Lock her up!" which is pretty lynch-mobby.

Lynch mobs were called "lynch mobs" because they hunted down people for the express purpose of killing them by lynching - not really the same thing as advocating for an arrest and conviction.


...later Trump crowds have been reported as saying that Capt. Khan, a fallen American hero, should be dug up and deported with his parents.

"Reported as saying"? I guess I'll wait until I see something more substantive to worry too much about that.

And if it is shown that such a crowd said such a thing, that's a long way from the candidate saying it himself, and "threats" against a dead person aren't quite a threat against HC (or anyone really).

And of course such chants would be reprehensible, but that's off point.

mae
08-05-2016, 07:14 AM
...later Trump crowds have been reported as saying that Capt. Khan, a fallen American hero, should be dug up and deported with his parents.

"Reported as saying"? I guess I'll wait until I see something more substantive to worry too much about that.

And if it is shown that such a crowd said such a thing, that's a long way from the candidate saying it himself, and "threats" against a dead person aren't quite a threat against HC (or anyone really).

And of course such chants would be reprehensible, but that's off point.

http://mediamatters.org/research/2016/08/02/white-nationalists-love-trump-s-attacks-khan-family-god-bless-donald-trump-deport-khans/212107

Neo-Nazi Website Daily Stormer On Capt. Khan: “An Islamic Terrorist From Pakistan Infiltrates The US Military” And “Accidentally Gets His Dumbass Killed.” The Daily Stormer is an anti-Semitic and neo-Nazi hate site that’s endorsed Donald Trump. Editor Andrew Anglin repeatedly smeared the late Capt. Khan and his family as terrorists and called on them to be deported. From his post:

I am hereby calling for the Khan family to be immediately deported to Pakistan. What’s more, I want their terrorist son’s body dug up and shipped back with them.

St. Troy
08-05-2016, 09:30 AM
And Trump's advisor, Al Baldasaro, saying Clinton should be shot for treason is being investigated by the Secret Service.

I don't know anything about Baldasaro other than that comment, which was psychotic. Obviously, any King tweet (or anyone's tweet) against Baldasaro would be justified, but I don't think anyone here was criticizing King to defend the likes of Baldasaro (I'm certainly not).

I would like to take a moment to pat myself on the back, as Baldasaro is another data point supporting my theory that the craziest American politicians are to be found in the House (due to their much smaller constituency; much easier to sneak a yahoo through).

St. Troy
08-05-2016, 09:45 AM
http://mediamatters.org/research/2016/08/02/white-nationalists-love-trump-s-attacks-khan-family-god-bless-donald-trump-deport-khans/212107

Neo-Nazi Website Daily Stormer On Capt. Khan: “An Islamic Terrorist From Pakistan Infiltrates The US Military” And “Accidentally Gets His Dumbass Killed.” The Daily Stormer is an anti-Semitic and neo-Nazi hate site that’s endorsed Donald Trump. Editor Andrew Anglin repeatedly smeared the late Capt. Khan and his family as terrorists and called on them to be deported. From his post:

I am hereby calling for the Khan family to be immediately deported to Pakistan. What’s more, I want their terrorist son’s body dug up and shipped back with them.

First, a website (especially one such as this) isn't a "Trump crowd," or any crowd - it's a website.

Second, while this website's content is awful - what did you expect trawling a neo-Nazi website to result in? Of course neo-Nazi content is horrible and bad! But it's also irrelevant to the conversation about the quality of King's tweets (which offend some but so what) or whether "lynch mob" is a valid description of a chant at a political convention (it is not; it is a manifestation of Internal Escalation Anxiety).

mae
08-05-2016, 09:54 AM
Well, it's an individual and a website that has endorsed Trump. So, technically part of the "Trump crowd", no?

Joe315
08-05-2016, 12:09 PM
He may be a trump supporter but that does not mean that other supporters or trump himself condone his opinions. No candidate can control who supports them.

This whole discussion began because someone disagreed with how King treats people who have a different opinion from his own. No one should resort to name calling and belittling the opinions of others. Just because you agree with Kings views does not make what he is doing acceptable.

mae
08-05-2016, 12:30 PM
I was just pointing out that King's "lynch mob" usage is not completely unwarranted.

CyberGhostface
08-06-2016, 10:06 AM
No one should resort to name calling and belittling the opinions of others. Just because you agree with Kings views does not make what he is doing acceptable.

You mean like what Trump has been doing most of his life?

Joe315
08-06-2016, 03:20 PM
No one should resort to name calling and belittling the opinions of others. Just because you agree with Kings views does not make what he is doing acceptable.

You mean like what Trump has been doing most of his life?

Of course I mean like Trump. He is extremely thin skinned and lashes out at anyone the moment they criticize him.

I am including everyone in my statement. If ones opinion can't be defended without name calling they are in the wrong, even if they're right. If you're going to call someone an idiot tell me why they're an idiot. Otherwise just don't say anything.

Bev Vincent
09-13-2016, 03:56 AM
Stephen King Compares Donald Trump To Cthulhu; Cthulhu Issues Angry Denial (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/stephen-king-donald-trump-cthulhu_us_57d77e19e4b0fbd4b7bb4540)

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CsMH2dcWEAAkfHv.jpg

NoAttitudeThisTime
09-13-2016, 06:15 AM
King's tweet and the response from "Cthulhu" both made my day :D Needed that!

St. Troy
09-13-2016, 08:00 AM
I miss the days when a simple comparison to Mr. Burns sufficed.

mae
10-15-2016, 12:42 PM
https://www.washingtonpost.com/entertainment/books/reaction-to-dylans-win-from-billy-bragg-to-stephen-king/2016/10/13/07a12d4a-9175-11e6-bc00-1a9756d4111b_story.html

I am ecstatic that Bob Dylan has won the Nobel. A great and good thing in a season of sleaze and sadness — author Stephen King.

Bev Vincent
11-02-2016, 12:02 PM
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CwR80N1WgAAmMGc.jpg

ladysai
11-03-2016, 06:00 PM
Of course Molly supports Pennywise! :lol:

RichardX
11-09-2016, 05:54 AM
King seems to have shut down and assumed the fetal position in some dark room following Trump's win. A bit of overreaction but consistent with Hillary herself who couldn't come out last night and thank her supporters. I'm just glad this election is over.

St. Troy
11-09-2016, 06:15 AM
...Hillary herself who couldn't come out last night and thank her supporters.

In fairness to HRC, at the time her rep announced that she'd speak in the morning, Trump had not yet hit 270 and it had been said (by at least one outlet) that the results might not come until the morning. I don't blame her for holding off in favor of waiting until she had something meaningful to say.

RichardX
11-09-2016, 06:24 AM
...Hillary herself who couldn't come out last night and thank her supporters.

In fairness to HRC, at the time her rep announced that she'd speak in the morning, Trump had not yet hit 270 and it had been said (by at least one outlet) that the results might not come until the morning. I don't blame her for holding off in favor of waiting until she had something meaningful to say.

Except she called Trump a few minutes later and conceded. They knew it was over at that point.

St. Troy
11-09-2016, 06:28 AM
Except she called Trump a few minutes later and conceded. They knew it was over at that point.

Are you saying she knew it was over when she had Podesta announce that she wouldn't speak until the morning?

tippy4
11-09-2016, 08:03 AM
5h5 hours ago
Stephen King ‏@StephenKing
No more book recommendations, politics, or amusing dog pictures for the immediate future. I'm shutting down.

RichardX
11-09-2016, 08:08 AM
Except she called Trump a few minutes later and conceded. They knew it was over at that point.

Are you saying she knew it was over when she had Podesta announce that she wouldn't speak until the morning?

Yes. I knew it was over and she certainly had better information than most people. And, if there was any doubt, she called Trump and conceded within a few minutes after Podesta spoke. Would she concede if she thought the issue was still in doubt?

ladysai
11-09-2016, 08:27 AM
I am going to miss Molly the Thing of Evil while SKs twitter is inactive.

Her tweets were always great...especially the GIFs.

St. Troy
11-09-2016, 09:06 AM
Are you saying she knew it was over when she had Podesta announce that she wouldn't speak until the morning?

Yes. I knew it was over and she certainly had better information than most people.

We don't know that they "knew" anything ('writing on the wall' is too low a standard for elections).


Would she concede if she thought the issue was still in doubt?

Podesta speaking and HRC calling were separate events; she conceded after Trump reached 270.

I'm no HRC fan but I think benefit of the doubt is called for with this. I don't think she deserves the heat for this decision.

St. Troy
11-09-2016, 09:09 AM
5h5 hours ago
Stephen King ‏@StephenKing
No more book recommendations, politics, or amusing dog pictures for the immediate future. I'm shutting down.

No one likes to lose, but to announce your intent to sulk - how petulant.

RichardX
11-09-2016, 09:53 AM
Are you saying she knew it was over when she had Podesta announce that she wouldn't speak until the morning?

Yes. I knew it was over and she certainly had better information than most people.

We don't know that they "knew" anything ('writing on the wall' is too low a standard for elections).


Would she concede if she thought the issue was still in doubt?

Podesta speaking and HRC calling were separate events; she conceded after Trump reached 270.

I'm no HRC fan but I think benefit of the doubt is called for with this. I don't think she deserves the heat for this decision.

Her call was made within minutes of Podesta ending his speech. Nothing occurred in that brief interval. She had no intention of going out there last night and likely did not have any concession speech prepared due to her overconfidence. It's water under the bridge though. She was very gracious today.

Randall Flagg
11-09-2016, 02:09 PM
5h5 hours ago
Stephen King ‏@StephenKing
No more book recommendations, politics, or amusing dog pictures for the immediate future. I'm shutting down.

No one likes to lose, but to announce your intent to sulk - how petulant.


That is a bit immature. Especially as King can write a new novel ala Under The Dome with the material soon to be provided by Trump et al.

T-Dogz_AK47
11-09-2016, 03:14 PM
5h5 hours ago
Stephen King ‏@StephenKing
No more book recommendations, politics, or amusing dog pictures for the immediate future. I'm shutting down.

No one likes to lose, but to announce your intent to sulk - how petulant.

I'm not surprised Stephen King wants to shut himself away from social media for awhile. It's not petulance - he's just disgusted that the American populace have decided to elect a president that embraces racist fascism and misogyny.

Stephen King didn't lose - America did.

His final tweet before shutting down is quite appropriate, considering the result of the election....


6h6 hours ago
Stephen King ‏@StephenKing
One more thing before I drift away for awhile: A common sign in antiques stores reading IF YOU BREAK IT, YOU OWN IT.

St. Troy
11-10-2016, 07:57 AM
The wagon-circling is silly but I guess should be expected on a King-oriented site.


That is a bit immature.
King’s response was actually pretty much a textbook definition of the word.


…King can write a new novel ala Under The Dome...
Let's keep this civil; there’s no need for threats.

It would make sense if he said he was going to avoid reading news in order to avoid immersion in what he regards as a disaster, but instead of that, in his own words, he's going to refrain from expressing himself through:


...book recommendations, politics, or amusing dog pictures...

So yeah - 'petulant' covers it.

Kingfan24
11-10-2016, 08:55 AM
5h5 hours ago
Stephen King ‏@StephenKing
No more book recommendations, politics, or amusing dog pictures for the immediate future. I'm shutting down.

No one likes to lose, but to announce your intent to sulk - how petulant.


That is a bit immature. Especially as King can write a new novel ala Under The Dome with the material soon to be provided by Trump et al.

No King's attitude is the part that is immature here to be honest. He campaigned hard for Hillary, and lost, so it's expected that he's mad. Problem is there is only one winner, and not everyone gets a trophy. Buck up and support the new president because I'm damn sure the liberals would be saying the same things to the conservatives had Hillary won.

Br!an
11-12-2016, 06:33 AM
I will support Trump every bit as much as the Republicans supported Obama. :wtf:

Lurker
11-12-2016, 07:34 AM
He may have just said that because if he's a regular tweeter and the disappeared for a month or two or ... well, the rumors would start - is he sick etc. At least his absence is explained.

RichardX
11-15-2016, 02:30 PM
King should buy an island with his $400 million dollars and appoint Hillary as his president. Maybe that hedonist island Bill is always visiting. The fact that he is apparently too distraught to continue posting his silly dog pictures on Twitter is a bit hilarious. He needs time to recover from the election results. We live in the age of "Idiocracy".

Merlin1958
11-15-2016, 02:34 PM
At this juncture, and with all the due respect I can muster, who really gives a flying fuck whether he "Tweets" regarding politics? He's a writer, write and STFU already!!! lol

RichardX
11-15-2016, 02:40 PM
Maybe that hedonist island Bill is always visiting.

Trump visited that island as well.

I wish I went with him.

Lookwhoitis
11-20-2016, 06:54 AM
I am going to miss Molly the Thing of Evil while SKs twitter is inactive.

Her tweets were always great...especially the GIFs.

me 2 :(

Molly the Thing of Evil has been a joy in my life

Heather19
11-20-2016, 07:13 AM
I miss Molly as well. Hopefully she starts posting again soon.

Lookwhoitis
11-26-2016, 09:16 AM
I miss Molly as well. Hopefully she starts posting again soon.

Molly is back on FB as of today. :)

Im very Thankful!

ladysai
11-26-2016, 11:32 AM
Yay Molly! She's back on Twitter, too. :D

RichardX
11-28-2016, 05:46 PM
Yay Molly! She's back on Twitter, too. :D

Molly is a republican. Unconfirmed reports quote her as saying "she feels ten feet tall and strong as an ox."

Lookwhoitis
11-28-2016, 06:48 PM
Yay Molly! She's back on Twitter, too. :D

Molly is a republican. Unconfirmed reports quote her as saying "she feels ten feet tall and strong as an ox."

Whaaaat? You didnt see that pic of her chewing Trump's eye out?

RichardX
11-29-2016, 04:58 PM
Yay Molly! She's back on Twitter, too. :D

Molly is a republican. Unconfirmed reports quote her as saying "she feels ten feet tall and strong as an ox."

Whaaaat? You didnt see that pic of her chewing Trump's eye out?

Molly's favorite pastimes include taking long walks on the beach, reading poetry, and "building the wall."

R. Stewart
01-06-2017, 01:58 PM
Done and Done! (I'm @SeeminglyCursed , for those who need more musings on the Columbus Blue Jackets and Canadian politics in their lives!)

Br!an
04-07-2017, 06:44 AM
http://www.thedarktower.org/gallery/data/500/medium/kingtwitter.png

The Mist (http://www.thedarktower.org/palaver/showthread.php?17801-The-Mist-miniseries)
Mr. Mercedes (http://www.thedarktower.org/palaver/showthread.php?18921-Mr.-Mercedes-limited-series)
1922 (http://www.thedarktower.org/palaver/showthread.php?20649-quot-1922-quot-coming-to-Netflix&highlight=1922)
Gerald's Game (http://www.thedarktower.org/palaver/showthread.php?18343-Gerald-s-Game-film&highlight=gerald%27s+game+netflix)
The Dark Tower (http://www.thedarktower.org/palaver/showthread.php?10517-The-Dark-Tower-series-filmed-adaptation)
IT (http://www.thedarktower.org/palaver/showthread.php?18023-The-It-remake)

St. Troy
04-07-2017, 06:50 AM
1922 is being adapted? I really should get around to reading that...

Br!an
04-07-2017, 06:54 AM
^Added TDT links^

mikeC
04-07-2017, 08:59 AM
I am surprised Gerald's Game hasn't come out yet or at least a trailer, there can't be too much post-production on that one.

herbertwest
04-08-2017, 02:24 AM
"The blurb on James Patterson's latest book is from...James Patterson!"
https://twitter.com/StephenKing/status/850365857255616512

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C80gEMeUAAAr-sQ.jpg

Philzilla
04-11-2017, 10:25 AM
"The blurb on James Patterson's latest book is from...James Patterson!"
https://twitter.com/StephenKing/status/850365857255616512

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C80gEMeUAAAr-sQ.jpg

He's earned it.

WeDealInLead
04-11-2017, 01:07 PM
Maybe Patterson needs to bring back that SK story, haha.

webstar1000
06-13-2017, 10:42 AM
Twitter queen J.K. Rowling helps out pal Stephen King after he's blocked by Trump (http://mashable.com/2017/06/13/jk-rowling-helps-stephen-king/#1GfubaDXGOqR)

That is pure awesome! lol

St. Troy
06-13-2017, 10:46 AM
Wow, a famous left-wing millionaire dislikes Trump - President Trump, that is - and then a famous left-wing billionaire joins him in his dislike! News! Cool!

#brave
#heroic
#inspired
#yougogirl

Br!an
06-13-2017, 10:50 AM
Twitter queen J.K. Rowling helps out pal Stephen King after he's blocked by Trump (http://mashable.com/2017/06/13/jk-rowling-helps-stephen-king/#1GfubaDXGOqR)

I like Bev Vincent's post...

"I bet Richard Bachman could still read them @StephenKing" (https://twitter.com/StephenKing)

Br!an
06-13-2017, 10:52 AM
Wow, a famous left-wing millionaire dislikes Trump - President Trump, that is - and then a famous left-wing billionaire joins him in his dislike! News! Cool!

#brave
#heroic
#inspired
#yougogirl

Trump blocked King. So...

An infamous right-wing "billionaire" dislikes King, etc..

Joe315
06-13-2017, 01:13 PM
The whole blocking thing is stupid. You can read anyone's public tweets, blocked or not. Just don't log in.

Tommy
06-13-2017, 01:36 PM
The whole blocking thing is stupid. You can read anyone's public tweets, blocked or not. Just don't log in.

It's a way to mark the disloyal.

Joe315
06-13-2017, 06:46 PM
The whole blocking thing is stupid. You can read anyone's public tweets, blocked or not. Just don't log in.

It's a way to mark the disloyal.

its stupid both ways seeing as the tweets can still be seen.

Mr. Rabbit Trick
06-23-2017, 10:16 AM
King Tweeted: "I do not aim with my hand; he who aims with his hand has forgotten the face of his father. I aim with my eye."

Witty reply: "I have a similar approach to urinating."

(I like him!)

Br!an
06-23-2017, 10:21 AM
"He who shoots with his hand has forgotten his gun."

CyberGhostface
06-23-2017, 10:33 AM
Wow, a famous left-wing millionaire dislikes Trump - President Trump, that is - and then a famous left-wing billionaire joins him in his dislike! News! Cool!

#brave
#heroic
#inspired
#yougogirl

I think it's less touting the bravery of King and more the absurdity of Trump.

St. Troy
06-23-2017, 12:17 PM
I think it's less touting the bravery of King and more the absurdity of Trump.

Just to be clear: I was touting Rowling's "bravery" (sarcasm, as in "wow, what a brave stand you've taken by helping someone see some tweets). Trump's perceived absurdity by SK, JKR and the rest is a given.

Br!an
06-23-2017, 01:07 PM
:orely: Trump's manifest absurdity. :thumbsup:

CyberGhostface
06-24-2017, 11:51 AM
I think it's less touting the bravery of King and more the absurdity of Trump.

Just to be clear: I was touting Rowling's "bravery" (sarcasm, as in "wow, what a brave stand you've taken by helping someone see some tweets). Trump's perceived absurdity by SK, JKR and the rest is a given.

I don't think she's expecting to be lauded for bravery either. She's just having a laugh with King at the president's behavior.

Br!an
06-25-2017, 03:26 AM
I think it's less touting the bravery of King and more the absurdity of Trump.

Just to be clear: I was touting Rowling's "bravery" (sarcasm, as in "wow, what a brave stand you've taken by helping someone see some tweets). Trump's perceived absurdity by SK, JKR and the rest is a given.

I don't think she's expecting to be lauded for bravery either. She's just having a laugh with King at the president's behavior.


She isn't the one with her knickers in a twist.

Br!an
07-11-2017, 04:47 AM
"The news is real. The president is fake." (https://twitter.com/StephenKing/status/884179939905466368)

mae
07-21-2017, 03:30 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qg0LwBSgbPU

St. Troy
07-21-2017, 03:33 PM
How does he do it? I mean, where does he find the courage?

:lol:

CyberGhostface
07-21-2017, 10:05 PM
How does he do it? I mean, where does he find the courage?

:lol:

What does courage have to do with any of this?

St. Troy
08-25-2017, 06:08 AM
How does he do it? I mean, where does he find the courage?

:lol:

What does courage have to do with any of this?

Nothing; that's why the smiley depicts me laughing my balls off at King.

NoAttitudeThisTime
08-25-2017, 09:08 AM
"Go float yourself" :D Good one!

CyberGhostface
08-25-2017, 11:01 AM
How does he do it? I mean, where does he find the courage?

:lol:

What does courage have to do with any of this?

Nothing; that's why the smiley depicts me laughing my balls off at King.

So what point are you trying to make? That you support Trump and you don't like that King doesn't?

CyberGhostface
11-25-2017, 06:17 PM
https://twitter.com/StephenKing/status/934552242555846656?s=17

:D

NoAttitudeThisTime
11-26-2017, 01:09 AM
Wasn't there a tweet from King not long ago (or maybe it was on his fb page) saying that Molly, aka the Thing of Evil, would be publishing soon? A book with some title I can't recall. Probably just a little joke, but considering that Koontz has written a number of books about his dog and even under his dog's name, why not King? If so, please, mr. King...one book is enough

mae
01-23-2018, 06:49 PM
http://ew.com/books/2018/01/23/ursula-le-guin-dead-stephen-king-neil-gaiman-more-react/



Usula K. LeGuin, one of the greats, has passed. Not just a science fiction writer; a literary icon. Godspeed into the galaxy.

— Stephen King (@StephenKing) January 23, 2018

RichardX
02-03-2018, 03:14 PM
Stephen King Gives Apology (‘If One Is Necessary’) for Mocking Republicans in Train Wreck (https://www.thewrap.com/stephen-king-apology-republicans-train-truck-wreck/)

Awful. He should be ashamed. I doubt he believes it was "karma" that someone ran over him in a van.

CyberGhostface
02-03-2018, 04:47 PM
I'll give him credit for taking the high road and apologizing (although it was pretty obvious he wasn't mocking anyone who was actually injured or killed), there are certain people in office who wouldn't do such a thing.

RichardX
02-07-2018, 06:18 AM
"A timely, upbeat tale about finding common ground despite deep-rooted differences."

Wow - does that vary from King's own conduct on Twitter.

biomieg
02-07-2018, 06:38 AM
"A timely, upbeat tale about finding common ground despite deep-rooted differences."

Wow - does that vary from King's own conduct on Twitter.

Yeah, I really don't understand why he does that when the current US administration is all about finding common ground, being inclusive, and working for the greater good of all its citizens... shame on you, Mr. King! :rolleyes:

St. Troy
02-07-2018, 07:45 AM
"A timely, upbeat tale about finding common ground despite deep-rooted differences."

Wow - does that vary from King's own conduct on Twitter.

What, you mean it sounds different from yukking it up over a train crash? I guess it's a gray area.


Yeah, I really don't understand why he does that when the current US administration is all about finding common ground, being inclusive, and working for the greater good of all its citizens... shame on you, Mr. King! :rolleyes:

Why would whatever King dislikes in Trump's behavior compel him to turn into a Twitter asshole? Does King not speak for himself?

I don't share King's politics, but that never made me dislike him as a man (my best friend is a liberal). As with many people on the left, I viewed him as holding the positions he held in part because his concern for his fellow man led him to some conclusions I don't share. Bottom line, I disagree with a good man - no problem.

But to take snarky amusement in response to a train accident because it involved elected representatives who voted in ways he didn't like - that's not something I can support, and it's not something King or anyone else can blame on Trump. That train wasn't full of Republican campaign supplies; it was full of human beings.

I still think King is a good man - just one with an asshole streak. That sounds like me, but my streak never gets to the point of enjoying the idea of physical harm coming to people with whom I disagree on politics.

CyberGhostface
02-07-2018, 09:13 AM
If it was a national tragedy with several people killed and he was cracking jokes that would be one thing. He made a joke about Republicans hitting a garbage truck, probably didn’t know that one person died, and apologized afterwards and included a gofundme link for the person’s family afterwards. And mind you he probably could have deleted the tweet or just ignored the comments as his tweet received no publicity and there was minimal controversy.

His tweet is the definition of a non-issue. If he had insulted a POW for being captured or said that white supremacists were good people or boasted about sexually assault Inst women that would be another thing entirely.

St. Troy
02-07-2018, 09:46 AM
He made a joke about Republicans hitting a garbage truck...

Isn't this bad enough? Why excuse poor behavior?


...and apologized afterwards...

This is meaningless; everyone that offends anyone in public for anything eventually apologizes.


If he had insulted a POW for being captured or said that white supremacists were good people or boasted about sexually assault Inst women that would be another thing entirely.

Oh, you don't like Trump! :idea: Well, why didn't you say so? :wtf:

Assuming you intended your response to be coherent, why bring up Trump when the issue under discussion was something King did? Does the election still sting that much for you, that all you can come up with is Trumpisworse! Trumpisworse! every time someone criticizes someone you like?

You don't like Trump. We get it. Why need that prevent you from seeing King's assholery for what it is?

CyberGhostface
02-07-2018, 10:18 AM
Isn't this bad enough? Why excuse poor behavior?

Because the level of outrage you're feigning is above the severity of what he actually did.


This is meaningless; everyone that offends anyone in public for anything eventually apologizes.

People have basic humility do, yeah. Some people refuse to acknowledge they've said something offensive and double down.


Assuming you intended your response to be coherent, why bring up Trump when the issue under discussion was something King did?

I brought it up because it's pretty telling that the only two people here acting outraged over this here are the two people who get upset whenever King goes after Trump on Twitter. You've insinuated that he was a coward twice for doing so. So I find the concept of King "crossing the line" here to be kind of funny.

RichardX
02-07-2018, 12:47 PM
I could care less about King's politics or what he thinks of Trump. My concern is with his constant childish, offensive, and elitist tone. He doesn't like Trump. We get it. No one cares. But if he is going to spend his time on politics at least be civil. And his "apology" regarding his bizarre statement about the train wreck really isn't an apology if you read it. Trying to blame Trump for King's behavior is a hoot. The moral equivalency defense is weak sauce. King is responsible for his own conduct no matter what anyone else is doing.

CyberGhostface
02-07-2018, 01:40 PM
No one’s ‘blaming’ Trump for what King said. It’s just the irony in supporting someone like Trump while attacking King’s political statements as being “childish and offensive” in comparison which you’ve been doing since 2016 (for someone who couldn’t care less that’s a while), long before he made a joke about a garbage truck.

RichardX
02-09-2018, 07:59 AM
No one’s ‘blaming’ Trump for what King said. It’s just the irony in supporting someone like Trump while attacking King’s political statements as being “childish and offensive” in comparison which you’ve been doing since 2016 (for someone who couldn’t care less that’s a while), long before he made a joke about a garbage truck.

You are trying to make a moral equivalency argument to excuse King's behavior by repeatedly referencing Trump. This is simple and doesn't need to be belabored. If someone makes light of a train wreck in which people are injured and killed because they don't like the politics of those on the train, that person has lost all perspective on civility. I would say the same if it had been democrats on the train and some republican made the same statement. I'm not attacking King's politics because I could care less. It is an issue of basic civility. And you are correct that King's childish behavior dates back for a long time before this incident.

Roseannebarr
02-09-2018, 10:13 AM
i think it is quite funny that the train full of republicans hit a garbage truck, but knew it was too soon in this politically correct society to make fun because someone died. Had no one died it would of been all over late night TV. regardless of politics, if lawyers, republicans, democrats, cats, trump, clinton, palin, or patterson hit a garbage truck it would be an easy joke. King was going for the easy joke.... and i still thought it was funny.

CyberGhostface
02-09-2018, 11:20 AM
No one’s ‘blaming’ Trump for what King said. It’s just the irony in supporting someone like Trump while attacking King’s political statements as being “childish and offensive” in comparison which you’ve been doing since 2016 (for someone who couldn’t care less that’s a while), long before he made a joke about a garbage truck.

You are trying to make a moral equivalency argument to excuse King's behavior by repeatedly referencing Trump. This is simple and doesn't need to be belabored. If someone makes light of a train wreck in which people are injured and killed because they don't like the politics of those on the train, that person has lost all perspective on civility. I would say the same if it had been democrats on the train and some republican made the same statement. I'm not attacking King's politics because I could care less. It is an issue of basic civility. And you are correct that King's childish behavior dates back for a long time before this incident.

I repeatedly reference Trump because he's the only reason why you've been going after King's tweets since 2016. You're a Trump supporter, own it. In light of that, if you're going to be judging King on acting 'childish' or uncivil then it's more than relevant to bring up the hypocrisy in supporting someone who's far worse than King. It would be like me saying its in poor taste to kill off kids in a horror story when my favorite book is 'It'.

And again -- there's no indication King was making light of the one person who actually died or was even aware that someone had and it's misleading to suggest he was.

RichardX
02-09-2018, 01:27 PM
i think it is quite funny that the train full of republicans hit a garbage truck, but knew it was too soon in this politically correct society to make fun because someone died. Had no one died it would of been all over late night TV. regardless of politics, if lawyers, republicans, democrats, cats, trump, clinton, palin, or patterson hit a garbage truck it would be an easy joke. King was going for the easy joke.... and i still thought it was funny.

We know someone did die. A lot of people were badly hurt. And you think it is still funny and that political correctness is the only reason not to make light of it? Honestly, there are no words for that.

Roseannebarr
02-09-2018, 03:03 PM
i think it is quite funny that the train full of republicans hit a garbage truck, but knew it was too soon in this politically correct society to make fun because someone died. Had no one died it would of been all over late night TV. regardless of politics, if lawyers, republicans, democrats, cats, trump, clinton, palin, or patterson hit a garbage truck it would be an easy joke. King was going for the easy joke.... and i still thought it was funny.

We know someone did die. A lot of people were badly hurt. And you think it is still funny and that political correctness is the only reason not to make light of it? Honestly, there are no words for that.


I give up. You are knit picking words and completely did NOT understand my post. I must not be nearly as articulate as you. Someone dying is not funny. A collective group of people (that are easily made fun of) hitting a garbage truck is funny.

Obviously KING NOR I knew someone died before the comment was made or he would of been more careful not to offend someone like you. :excited::biggrin1:

Pardon my posts and feel free not to read any of them.

Roseannebarr
02-09-2018, 08:54 PM
https://media1.tenor.com/images/f1fec382c29ce096bfbacd7844c54e0f/tenor.gif?itemid=10916966

Too funny! I find that if I don't agree with someone's politics. I just don't read their tweets. Posts etc....

CyberGhostface
02-09-2018, 09:57 PM
Yeah there are two writers whose output I love who had politics I disagreed with so I just unfollowed them on social media and that was that.

amd013
02-12-2018, 04:03 PM
https://media1.tenor.com/images/f1fec382c29ce096bfbacd7844c54e0f/tenor.gif?itemid=10916966

Just curious why MJ is eating tide in this meme. Was it part of the "This is a Tide Ad" campaign from the SB?

mae
07-16-2018, 03:37 PM
https://twitter.com/StephenKing/status/1018518307077525505/photo/1

Writing a story about phones. Here's the first iPhone from 2007. No reason to post this, I just thought it was a hoot. For the children among you, SMS was text messaging.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DiKAxfIV4AAVYYR.jpg:large

NoAttitudeThisTime
07-16-2018, 05:02 PM
So another story like Cell? Hmm....

stroppygoblin
07-17-2018, 12:58 AM
https://twitter.com/StephenKing/status/1018518307077525505/photo/1

Writing a story about phones. Here's the first iPhone from 2007. No reason to post this, I just thought it was a hoot. For the children among you, SMS was text messaging.


Also in the first YEAR and a Half there was no App Store. No other apps at all until almost a year of release had passed. These 1st apps were basically web page apps that had to be run in the browser, nothing native at all. I don't do Android/iPhone battles, but speaking as someone who is in Mobile app development, this phone was a game changer in so many ways...

Br!an
11-03-2018, 05:03 AM
"The ads say President Trump is delivering results. He's also delivering hate speech, a pack of lies, and a national debt that's going to crush our grandchildren." (https://twitter.com/StephenKing/status/1058516639434588165)

Br!an
11-05-2018, 02:45 PM
"Donald Trump is a runaway horse, and we’re all on board. Vote Democratic tomorrow. Let’s put a bit in his mouth and rein him in. #VoteBlue" (https://twitter.com/StephenKing/status/1059494155137794050)

CyberGhostface
06-13-2019, 05:31 AM
https://twitter.com/StephenKing/status/1139160294842933248?s=20

"How about Netflix bringing back UNDER THE DOME, only starting from scratch and actually doing the book?"

Heather19
06-13-2019, 08:11 AM
I would actually be all for that.

St. Troy
06-13-2019, 09:56 AM
I'm no huge fan of the book, but ok...maybe I'd watch. I invested (wasted) so much time in the other adaptation that I might as well see what a real one would be like, and Netflix usually knows what it's doing.

Ricky
06-13-2019, 05:43 PM
I'd watch it. But then again, I watched The Mist series, so... :lol:

And ouch--that King comment was a liiiiiitle bit of a burn for the CBS series (which I seem to remember him liking at the time). :lol:

St. Troy
06-13-2019, 06:40 PM
And ouch--that King comment was a liiiiiitle bit of a burn for the CBS series (which I seem to remember him liking at the time). :lol:

He's a bit like a used car salesman that develops a conscience after the sale.

WeDealInLead
06-13-2019, 08:05 PM
These days if King says it's good, it's probably not. Sad but true. He was saying he was excited about Cell.

I'd really like to see an anthology similar to creepshow or Nightmares and Dreamscapes.

St. Troy
06-14-2019, 05:35 AM
...I kind of liked the Cell movie...

St. Troy
06-14-2019, 05:47 AM
Given that King doesn't have to say 'yes' to anything (there's lots of interest in adapting his works and he doesn't need the money) and that he seems to like when adaptations preserve the spirit of his works, why doesn't he try to get each project into the hands of producers/writers/directors who prioritize faithfulness (no Schwarzenegger as running man, no Jake-centric DT, no "gun fu" (that's a great way to describe that, though), and definitely no psycho-from-the-word-go Jack Torrance)? Why approve DT and UTD, then complain after the fact?

mae
06-14-2019, 05:51 AM
https://twitter.com/StephenKing/status/1139160294842933248?s=20

"How about Netflix bringing back UNDER THE DOME, only starting from scratch and actually doing the book?"

Funny coming from him as someone who actually wrote an episode of the series.

St. Troy
06-14-2019, 06:20 AM
That reminds me: does anyone remember the April fools day announcement that King was going to write season 2 of Stranger Things? I remember it was hilarious (something about Pennywise running over Cujo as he backs Christine out of the Overlook parking lot, I think) but I don't know where to find it.

Bev Vincent
06-14-2019, 06:40 AM
That reminds me: does anyone remember the April fools day announcement that King was going to write season 2 of Stranger Things? I remember it was hilarious (something about Pennywise running over Cujo as he backs Christine out of the Overlook parking lot, I think) but I don't know where to find it.

https://thestudioexec.com/stranger-things-season-2-will-written-stephen-king/

HOLLYWOOD – Season 2 of Stranger Things will be penned by Stephen King, it was revealed today.
It was the hit of the Summer. A genuinely thrilling Netflix Original Series and everyone was crazy for it, with many commenting on how it was like vintage Stephen King filmed by vintage Steven Spielberg. Well now that comparison seems to have paid off as Stephen King, a declared fan of the show, has volunteered to script the entirety of Season 2 of the show. Brothers Matt and Ross Duffer announced the news EXCLUSIVELY to the Studio Exec and had this to say about the collaboration.

Ross spoke first:

King is of course one of our idols so to actually have him approach us was an unbelievable moment. We jumped at the possibility.

Matt added:

Of course we’ll maintain some creative control as show-runners, but who are we to second guess the master? I foresee a great Season 2.

Both brothers however refused to comment on the rumors that Stephen Spielberg was going to guest direct an episode. ‘That would be too much like crossing the beams, if you know what I mean, but hell, if it could happen…’

Stephen King himself has remained coy about the second season, but did let on that it would have something to do with Pennywise knocking over Cujo with Christine while pulling out of the Overlook Hotel parking lot.

St. Troy
06-14-2019, 07:28 AM
That is tremendous. Thanks.

Ricky
06-14-2019, 02:47 PM
...I kind of liked the Cell movie...

I did, too.

herbertwest
06-16-2019, 11:35 AM
That reminds me: does anyone remember the April fools day announcement that King was going to write season 2 of Stranger Things? I remember it was hilarious (something about Pennywise running over Cujo as he backs Christine out of the Overlook parking lot, I think) but I don't know where to find it.

https://thestudioexec.com/stranger-things-season-2-will-written-stephen-king/

HOLLYWOOD – Season 2 of Stranger Things will be penned by Stephen King, it was revealed today.
It was the hit of the Summer. A genuinely thrilling Netflix Original Series and everyone was crazy for it, with many commenting on how it was like vintage Stephen King filmed by vintage Steven Spielberg. Well now that comparison seems to have paid off as Stephen King, a declared fan of the show, has volunteered to script the entirety of Season 2 of the show. Brothers Matt and Ross Duffer announced the news EXCLUSIVELY to the Studio Exec and had this to say about the collaboration.

Ross spoke first:

King is of course one of our idols so to actually have him approach us was an unbelievable moment. We jumped at the possibility.

Matt added:

Of course we’ll maintain some creative control as show-runners, but who are we to second guess the master? I foresee a great Season 2.

Both brothers however refused to comment on the rumors that Stephen Spielberg was going to guest direct an episode. ‘That would be too much like crossing the beams, if you know what I mean, but hell, if it could happen…’

Stephen King himself has remained coy about the second season, but did let on that it would have something to do with Pennywise knocking over Cujo with Christine while pulling out of the Overlook Hotel parking lot.

August 2016. i am surprised that it wasnt an april 1st

herbertwest
06-16-2019, 11:36 AM
https://twitter.com/StephenKing/status/1139160294842933248?s=20

"How about Netflix bringing back UNDER THE DOME, only starting from scratch and actually doing the book?"

Funny coming from him as someone who actually wrote an episode of the series.

I 100% agree. But then, season 1 was pretty good IMO.

Hunchback Jack
06-19-2019, 10:40 AM
Given that King doesn't have to say 'yes' to anything (there's lots of interest in adapting his works and he doesn't need the money) and that he seems to like when adaptations preserve the spirit of his works, why doesn't he try to get each project into the hands of producers/writers/directors who prioritize faithfulness (no Schwarzenegger as running man, no Jake-centric DT, no "gun fu" (that's a great way to describe that, though), and definitely no psycho-from-the-word-go Jack Torrance)? Why approve DT and UTD, then complain after the fact?

King doesn't seem to want to do that. From what he's said, he sees the adaptations as separate things that he doesn't necessarily care to be involved with. He usually won't say anything negative about an adaptation until long after its been released. But his attitude seems to be its up to the writers/directors of the thing to do whatever they want with the material.

I think he does get frustrated when a bad adaptation deters people from reading the book - or any of his books. That might be where this is coming from.

CyberGhostface
06-19-2019, 02:02 PM
"On June 19th, 1999 I got hit by a van while taking a walk. As I lay unconscious in the hospital, the docs debated amputating my right leg and decided it could stay, on a trial basis. I got better. Every day of the 20 years since has been a gift."

https://twitter.com/StephenKing/status/1141431819939852288

CyberGhostface
06-20-2019, 09:08 AM
King did a video for Now This.

https://twitter.com/StephenKing/status/1141752090227875841

St. Troy
06-20-2019, 09:10 AM
King did a video for Now This.

https://twitter.com/StephenKing/status/1141752090227875841

Thank God a random group of entertainers can do what a former FBI head and his team of experienced investigators and lawyers couldn't do.

CyberGhostface
06-20-2019, 09:14 AM
They're discussing what the former FBI head actually wrote in his report.

mae
06-20-2019, 09:19 AM
King did a video for Now This.

https://twitter.com/StephenKing/status/1141752090227875841


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HDf5YIojJfA

Joe315
07-23-2019, 07:36 AM
King got fooled by the fake news that fox wouldn’t be showing the mueller testimony. A quick google would have shown him that it was false.

RichardX
07-24-2019, 06:44 AM
King got fooled by the fake news that fox wouldn’t be showing the mueller testimony. A quick google would have shown him that it was false.

I bet he wishes now that Fox News wasn't carrying the Mueller testimony. Mueller is coming off like a dementia patient. One thing the dems were right about though. Most Americans haven't read the report. That appears to include Mueller himself who doesn't have a clue. They should be ashamed to put an elderly guy like that on the spot and forever destroy his reputation. It's brutal to watch him try to find the right page and ask for questions to be repeated over and over.

Kingfan24
07-24-2019, 12:36 PM
King got fooled by the fake news that fox wouldn’t be showing the mueller testimony. A quick google would have shown him that it was false.

I bet he wishes now that Fox News wasn't carrying the Mueller testimony. Mueller is coming off like a dementia patient. One thing the dems were right about though. Most Americans haven't read the report. That appears to include Mueller himself who doesn't have a clue. They should be ashamed to put an elderly guy like that on the spot and forever destroy his reputation. It's brutal to watch him try to find the right page and ask for questions to be repeated over and over.

It’s so strange to me that, the guy responsible for the investigation, has zero clue about the contents of the report!

CyberGhostface
07-25-2019, 07:00 AM
Not surprising Mueller's demeanor is the takeaway and not how Trump invited Russian interference and repeatedly lied and tried to interfere with the investigation.

What does that have to do with Stephen King anyway? :confused: Are we even pretending to be on-topic at this point? He hasn't made any tweets or comments on how Mueller acted so this is kind of random.

Joe315
07-25-2019, 08:29 AM
Not surprising Mueller's demeanor is the takeaway and not how Trump invited Russian interference and repeatedly lied and tried to interfere with the investigation.

What does that have to do with Stephen King anyway? :confused: Are we even pretending to be on-topic at this point? He hasn't made any tweets or comments on how Mueller acted so this is kind of random.

King tweeted about the false story fox wasn’t going to show the testimony. The rest belongs in the political thread probably.

RichardX
07-25-2019, 09:03 AM
Not surprising Mueller's demeanor is the takeaway and not how Trump invited Russian interference and repeatedly lied and tried to interfere with the investigation.

What does that have to do with Stephen King anyway? :confused: Are we even pretending to be on-topic at this point? He hasn't made any tweets or comments on how Mueller acted so this is kind of random.

What does it have to do with King? King spends many of his tweets ranting about politics. Most recently making an arse out of himself by suggesting some type of conspiracy by Fox News to keep Mueller's testimony off the air. Mueller was the guy who was supposedly in charge of a complex legal investigation. He was touted for years as some kind of legal scholar who would get to the bottom of things. People were sent to jail and their lives ruined as the result of that investigation. Now it turns out that he has obvious dementia and barely knew where he was. I feel sorry for the guy that his reputation was destroyed for political purposes but it raises questions about how long he has suffered from dementia and who was actually in charge. If Trump had that glazed, confused look in his eyes, then King and the media would rightly be insisting that they invoke the 25th Amendment. It was a very sad day to see an elderly person who so obviously is in mental decline used for political purposes. They should apologize to his family.

CyberGhostface
07-25-2019, 09:42 AM
What does it have to do with King? King spends many of his tweets ranting about politics.

So you're using that as a segue to rant about politics yourself? :shrug:

Kingfan24
07-25-2019, 11:40 AM
What does it have to do with King? King spends many of his tweets ranting about politics.

So you're using that as a segue to rant about politics yourself? :shrug:

You were being disingenuous about your question “what does that have to do with Stephen King”. The dude tries to crap on Trump every chance he gets ON TWITTER. It has plenty to do with King and twitter so it should stay here. Not our fault he fell for fake news.

CyberGhostface
07-25-2019, 12:26 PM
King talks about politics so therefore it’s relevant to ramble on about conspiracy theories about the Mueller report being compromised by undiagnosed dementia? C’mon.

Bev Vincent
09-11-2019, 06:02 AM
King on Twitter: Today’s date is a palindrome. In Mid-World a day of enormous power and magic, both white and black.

https://twitter.com/StephenKing/status/1171775861101617153?s=20

webstar1000
09-11-2019, 06:14 AM
King no Twitter: Today’s date is a palindrome. In Mid-World a day of enormous power and magic, both white and black.

https://twitter.com/StephenKing/status/1171775861101617153?s=20

King told me to my face there is another DT story coming.. I wonder...

RichardX
09-11-2019, 07:06 AM
King talks about politics so therefore it’s relevant to ramble on about conspiracy theories about the Mueller report being compromised by undiagnosed dementia? C’mon.

The biggest conspiracy theory here was the one Mueller debunked. Remember that one? About collusion. It is not a conspiracy theory to suggest that Mueller has dementia. That is simply the product of his performance. Even the most liberal pundits acknowledged his obvious difficulties. The guy clearly has some type of impairment that resembles dementia. Anyone watching that performance, if they were honest, reached that conclusion.

CyberGhostface
09-11-2019, 07:52 AM
You're still doing this almost two months later?

Hunchback Jack
09-11-2019, 12:33 PM
King on Twitter: Today’s date is a palindrome. In Mid-World a day of enormous power and magic, both white and black.

https://twitter.com/StephenKing/status/1171775861101617153?s=20

Does this mean the people in Mid-World also follow the mm/dd/yy convention of the United States? Weird.

Randall Flagg
09-11-2019, 01:24 PM
King on Twitter: Today’s date is a palindrome. In Mid-World a day of enormous power and magic, both white and black.

https://twitter.com/StephenKing/status/1171775861101617153?s=20

Does this mean the people in Mid-World also follow the mm/dd/yy convention of the United States? Weird.
Of course they do. Where did you think Mid-World was; Yugoslavia?

RichardX
09-14-2019, 03:51 PM
You're still doing this almost two months later?

Is there a time limitation?

Randall Flagg
09-14-2019, 04:25 PM
You're still doing this almost two months later?

Is there a time limitation? BTW: Thanks for the neg rep. Doing it anonymously tells me all I need to know.
I don't see you having received negative rep recently (last 48 hours).

CyberGhostface
09-14-2019, 05:51 PM
You're still doing this almost two months later?

Is there a time limitation? BTW: Thanks for the neg rep. Doing it anonymously tells me all I need to know.

Time limitation implies bizarre Mueller conspiracy theories were ever relevant when discussing Stephen King but I'd say the statute of limitations was up a month and a half ago.

And I haven't given you any rep points? I haven't even used the rep button period in years.

RichardX
09-15-2019, 04:55 AM
You're still doing this almost two months later?

Is there a time limitation? BTW: Thanks for the neg rep. Doing it anonymously tells me all I need to know.
I don't see you having received negative rep recently (last 48 hours).

It wasn't in the last 48 hours but I'll edit my post.

RichardX
09-15-2019, 05:11 AM
You're still doing this almost two months later?

Is there a time limitation? BTW: Thanks for the neg rep. Doing it anonymously tells me all I need to know.

Time limitation implies bizarre Mueller conspiracy theories were ever relevant when discussing Stephen King but I'd say the statute of limitations was up a month and a half ago.

And I haven't given you any rep points? I haven't even used the rep button period in years.

You support one of the most outlandish conspiracy theories in history but then discount an observation of Mueller as having dementia because it was the product of a conspiracy. You can't see the irony of that? Then you lecture others on what they should or shouldn't discuss here. In terms of why this is "relevant when discussing Stephen King," it is because King spends much of his time on Twitter discussing politics. That has been explained a couple of times. You don't have to like it. You could, for example, ignore it and we would have moved on long ago. I'm all for sticking to King's books etc. Political discussion leads to the kind of useless argument we have here. But tell it to King not me. If he makes political statement, then others are going to discuss them. He is a public figure.

CyberGhostface
09-15-2019, 07:58 AM
If he makes political statement, then others are going to discuss them. He is a public figure.

But that’s not what you’re doing. Bringing up bizarre statements on Mueller having dementia had nothing to do with what King was saying. It was completely off-topic. We get it, you support Trump and you’re upset King doesn’t like him. Maybe take your own advice and just ignore his tweets.

CyberGhostface
09-21-2019, 01:01 PM
https://twitter.com/StephenKing/status/1175512247805911043?s=20
https://twitter.com/StephenKing/status/1175512321646575617?s=20


For my birthday, Molly--aka the Thing of Evil--gave me a new shirt. She suggested I wear it today. She further suggested she might tear my throat out if I did not post a picture of it on Twitter. I must do her bidding.

Randall Flagg
09-21-2019, 01:27 PM
Love the shirt. Reminds me of "Being John Malkovich".

CyberGhostface
02-10-2020, 08:17 AM
https://twitter.com/StephenKing/status/1226335717040807942


Molly, aka the Thing of Evil, relaxes after a double creature feature of CORGIS FROM HELL and NIGHT OF THE LIVING DOGS.

CyberGhostface
03-08-2020, 04:04 PM
https://twitter.com/StephenKing/status/1236782826911150080


No, coronavirus is NOT like THE STAND. It’s not anywhere near as serious. It’s eminently survivable. Keep calm and take all reasonable precautions.

St. Troy
03-13-2020, 12:21 PM
About :45 ago, King tweeted:


Note that Trump’s coronavirus team is all male, all old, and all white.

If that were true (which it's not: he has at least two women up there, one of which is non-white, and a few people that don't look all that old to me, although I suppose that comes down to how you define "old"), and even if it were relevant to the quality of work being done (which it's not - you could more easily make the opposite case, that it's better to have an older group than a younger group to manage crises), why did he look for this right off the bat during this news conference? Wouldn't you listen to what's being done, then maybe take a few minutes to read a transcript or coverage of the concrete steps coming, and maybe only after considering the life-and-death angle, only then apply the woke identity politics filter? Why did he do that first?

It may seem to those who agree with King's politics that I live to bash him on this stuff, but I really don't. Up until a few years ago, I regarded most on the other side of the political aisle as well-intentioned people who, by and large, shared my goals of a good, free, prosperous society, but had different priorities for how to get there (some people still fit this description). But in the last few years, left-of-center politics has become a demented pit of bullshit, where it's okay to applaud a train accident because Republicans were on board (remember King's tweet about ol' Russ and his down-home wisdom?), where it's okay to smash someone's head in with a bike lock if you brand them a "Nazi" first, and where socialism is back on the table. King isn't responsible for this social devolution, but it's sad that someone I otherwise admired (for things like saying "find out what they don't want you to read, because that's what you need to know" and he obviously cares for ordinary people) embraces any of this lunacy.

What it comes down to is: feel free to disagree with me - but why be a total fucking nut about it?

Rationality is the new naivete, I guess.

CyberGhostface
03-13-2020, 01:43 PM
Wouldn't you listen to what's being done, then maybe take a few minutes to read a transcript or coverage of the concrete steps coming, and maybe only after considering the life-and-death angle, only then apply the woke identity politics filter? Why did he do that first?

How do you know he hasn’t been considering what’s going on in the weeks it took Trump to take action?

RichardX
03-14-2020, 05:12 AM
About :45 ago, King tweeted:


Note that Trump’s coronavirus team is all male, all old, and all white.

If that were true (which it's not: he has at least two women up there, one of which is non-white, and a few people that don't look all that old to me, although I suppose that comes down to how you define "old"), and even if it were relevant to the quality of work being done (which it's not - you could more easily make the opposite case, that it's better to have an older group than a younger group to manage crises), why did he look for this right off the bat during this news conference? Wouldn't you listen to what's being done, then maybe take a few minutes to read a transcript or coverage of the concrete steps coming, and maybe only after considering the life-and-death angle, only then apply the woke identity politics filter? Why did he do that first?

It may seem to those who agree with King's politics that I live to bash him on this stuff, but I really don't. Up until a few years ago, I regarded most on the other side of the political aisle as well-intentioned people who, by and large, shared my goals of a good, free, prosperous society, but had different priorities for how to get there (some people still fit this description). But in the last few years, left-of-center politics has become a demented pit of bullshit, where it's okay to applaud a train accident because Republicans were on board (remember King's tweet about ol' Russ and his down-home wisdom?), where it's okay to smash someone's head in with a bike lock if you brand them a "Nazi" first, and where socialism is back on the table. King isn't responsible for this social devolution, but it's sad that someone I otherwise admired (for things like saying "find out what they don't want you to read, because that's what you need to know" and he obviously cares for ordinary people) embraces any of this lunacy.

What it comes down to is: feel free to disagree with me - but why be a total fucking nut about it?

Rationality is the new naivete, I guess.

King apparently doesn't realize he is an old, rich, white guy living in a mansion surrounded by a great, big, beautiful wall to keep people out. The crowds at his books signings are 99% white. He is another out of touch celebrity surrounded by sycophants and trying to say all the politically correct things for a fringe crowd that views him as the enemy. It's amusing in a way. The desperation to stay "hep."

CyberGhostface
03-14-2020, 07:31 AM
Were you seriously trying to make a Trump comparison with King’s fence?

Kingfan24
03-14-2020, 09:15 AM
Were you seriously trying to make a Trump comparison with King’s fence?

Why does he need a fence?

CyberGhostface
03-14-2020, 10:06 AM
Because someone once broke into his house through a window in 1991 when his wife was home alone?

Kingfan24
03-14-2020, 01:41 PM
Because someone once broke into his house through a window in 1991 when his wife was home alone?

Ah so someone was entering his land without lawful permission to be there. Got it. So yeah, pretty good comparison to the wall.

CyberGhostface
03-14-2020, 01:48 PM
So this is your argument?

King: Trump’s border wall is an expensive and ineffectual vanity project that he lied about getting Mexico to pay for.
You: Yeah but in 1991 you got a fence for your house because you didn’t want your wife to get raped and murdered. Checkmate, librul!

Iwritecode
03-16-2020, 05:05 AM
Walls don't work because planes exist.

Nobody is hopping on a plane to get over SK's fence.

ladysai
03-17-2020, 10:23 AM
Lots of people have fences for lots of reasons...like to keep dogs inside the yard and/or home protection, etc.
How does a private fence equate with a country's border fence/barrier? Like apples and oranges, man.

herbertwest
03-17-2020, 11:29 AM
Let's just be honnest.
45 couldnt think of anything else but himself.

CyberGhostface
04-19-2020, 03:29 PM
There was a dead ash tree in our front yard. My wife, Tabitha, had an idea to turn it into a sculpture featuring books and animals. The sculptor was Josh Landry. He did it with a chainsaw.

https://abload.de/img/6nkzw.jpg

https://twitter.com/StephenKing/status/1251945872713277443

Garrell
04-19-2020, 03:36 PM
That is a beautiful sculpture!

St. Troy
04-20-2020, 11:04 AM
That is incredible work.

St. Troy
04-20-2020, 11:13 AM
Since dictionaries exist none of you should need me, Kingfan24, or RichardX to explain this, but: border walls and property fences are both physical barriers intended to slow, stop or deter unauthorized individuals (be they non-citizens in one case or trespassers in the other) from entering a particular piece of property, in order to protect and defend the interest and general well-being of authorized individuals on that particular piece of property (be they citizens in one case or residents in the other).

Safety and permission are the operative concepts; the choices of King and people like him basically amount to "safety for me, but not for thee."

CyberGhostface
04-20-2020, 11:58 AM
And that’s still a ridiculous comparison because King’s issues with the border wall was that it was an inefficient vanity project that Trump lied about getting Mexico to pay for.

Lookwhoitis
04-20-2020, 09:50 PM
some say King has lost a step this late in his career, with his ability to entertain us. I disagree. the man entertains me on multiple fronts nowadays. I still love his books (even if they dont capture my imagination as forcefully as they did when I was a teenager). I love the adventures of his dog Molly, Thing of Evil as recounted on social media, and I ESPECIALLY love those conservative "fans" who rail, kvetch, bitch, whine, and whinge at Kings politics and his willingness to express these ideas both in his works and in public forums or social media. I just LOVE it :D. It just really floats my boat! Butthurt, Bent out of shape righties who just cant handle the fact that the artist that they acolyte for has some basic sense and social consciousness! Bravo, Sai King and thanks for all the entertainment.

Roseannebarr
06-29-2020, 10:04 PM
J.K. Rowling deletes tweet praising Stephen King amid trans rights controversy (https://nypost.com/2020/06/29/j-k-rowling-deletes-tweet-praising-stephen-king/)

I do not have the smarts, words or abilities to properly state how I feel. I have a 6 year old great niece who was born and named Luke, we now call her Grace and she is my niece since she was 3. I love her unconditionally and fear for her growing up with hatred, misunderstanding and judgement. I love Harry Potter but struggle with what JK Rowling is saying and doing. Much like Kings politics drives many crazy here, I am trying to reconcile my enjoyment of her books and her views. How can I support her work but disagree with her statements. Maybe I don’t understand what she is even trying to say.

All I know is a 3 year old that knows she is a girl and her parents struggle with doing what they believe is best for their child can’t be wrong!

Do I stop supporting all things Potter or enjoy the work but not the author?

I see many here collect Kings work but despise is politics, I don’t know how to separate JKs politics from her work. Do I take a “stand” or ignore the politics and still go to Harry Potter World every year and act like I don’t hear her.

I posted here, because many strongly disagree with Kings politics but still collect and read his work, I always wondered how you can separate the two?

Hunchback Jack
06-29-2020, 10:56 PM
Not to argue with anything else you said, but if Robert Galbraith is really the name of who you say, I think that’s a coincidence. She took the name Galbraith from that of a popular real estate agency firm in Scotland, where she lived for many years. You don’t need to travel far around Scotland to start seeing their signs everywhere. She just liked the name. I don’t know her reason for choosing “Robert”, but I seriously doubt it was because of her admiration for the doctor you mentioned.

I suspect she is not the fervent anti-trans advocate that the press is making her out to be. I think, like many of her generation - and mine - she is struggling to understand how gender can be independent of sex, and being very skeptical of claims that the concepts of male and female as categories are meaningless.

I don’t agree with what she appears to be saying, but I don’t think she is the hate filled harridan that some have decided she is.

And personally, I would continue to read and her enjoy her works regardless. That would change if she were funneling her significant fortunes into hate groups, but as far as I can see, she’s Doing nothing more than stating her point of you, based on her experience.

I’m disappointed that she holds the views she does, particularly since people seem to take a lot of notice of what she says. I don’t like that at all. But I can separate that from my enjoyment of her work.

Hunchback Jack
06-29-2020, 11:05 PM
Incidentally, I think the connection between goblins and Jews is absurd. The goblins are not “obsessed with money“-they simply run the banks in her fictional world, and do so very well, according to the story. The physical attributes of the goblins are stereotypical of goblins, not necessarily of Jews. Goblins have existed in Anglican myth for decades with those kinds of physical features.

It’s one thing to disagree with the statements she herself makes when the intent is clear. But to then go poring over her work, identifying tenuous connections to different types of racism or prejudice is just inventing things to get offended about, in my opinion.

mae
06-30-2020, 03:40 AM
I suspect she is not the fervent anti-trans advocate that the press is making her out to be. I think, like many of her generation - and mine - she is struggling to understand how gender can be independent of sex, and being very skeptical of claims that the concepts of male and female as categories are meaningless.

That is what she's saying, but that's not what trans people and people advocating for trans rights say. No one is making those claims, it's a complete misrepresentation. It's not how science works. No one is saying sex ceases to exist when someone transitions. Doctors are aware that if you're a trans man, you were assigned female at birth and thus will take actions accordingly. Being trans doesn't eliminate the concepts of man or woman, it expands them.

Hunchback Jack
06-30-2020, 06:08 AM
I suspect she is not the fervent anti-trans advocate that the press is making her out to be. I think, like many of her generation - and mine - she is struggling to understand how gender can be independent of sex, and being very skeptical of claims that the concepts of male and female as categories are meaningless.

That is what she's saying, but that's not what trans people and people advocating for trans rights say. No one is making those claims, it's a complete misrepresentation. It's not how science works. No one is saying sex ceases to exist when someone transitions. Doctors are aware that if you're a trans man, you were assigned female at birth and thus will take actions accordingly. Being trans doesn't eliminate the concepts of man or woman, it expands them.

I completely understand and agree. I’m not defending her statements in any way. I don’t agree with them. But I do think she’s coming from a different place than, say, Ben Shapiro. Yet people are tarring her with the same brush, and looking for other “evidence” in her work that she actively hates and fears anyone who isn’t straight, white, or English.

I don’t agree with her position at all, but I think the backlash has been overblown. I can understand anyone who no longer wants to support her work based on her statements, but I’ll continue to enjoy her work. I’m not endorsing her views by doing so.

(I think, too, that a lot of people mistake the obvious frustration she feels with people reading things into her work that she never intended as anger or hate. Whether it’s the religious right saying she worships satan, or the left saying she’s homo- or transphobic, she’s clearly run out of patience with it. That frustration prevents her from actively listening to people who start a conversation by calling her work problematic)

Lurker
06-30-2020, 06:39 AM
Q & A with Rowling at the Robert Galbraith website: (https://robert-galbraith.com/about/)

"Why the name Robert Galbraith? Do you have anything to say to all those Robert Galbraiths out there?


I chose Robert because it’s one of my favourite men’s names, because Robert F Kennedy is my hero and because, mercifully, I hadn’t used it for any of the characters in the Potter series or The Casual Vacancy.

Galbraith came about for a slightly odd reason. When I was a child, I really wanted to be called ‘Ella Galbraith’, and I’ve no idea why. I don’t even know how I knew that the surname existed, because I can’t remember ever meeting anyone with it. Be that as it may, the name had a fascination for me. I actually considered calling myself L A Galbraith for the Strike series, but for fairly obvious reasons decided that initials were a bad idea."

CyberGhostface
06-30-2020, 09:34 AM
I was a bit worried when I saw King’s retweet. I’m glad he clarified his views.

Hunchback Jack
06-30-2020, 02:07 PM
Even if Galbraith is a coincidence, it does not excuse her transphobia.

I only pointed out that some have picked up on an antisemitic feel with the goblins. Which is true, some have.

True, but you brought up these points in the context of a post about “reasons not to read her work“. If her pseudonym is *coincidentally* the same as some awful quack of a doctor, and the anti-Semitism is something that others have inferred from her work rather than something she intended, then neither of these are relevant to whether you should read her or not. Only her trans phobic comments are.

Saying you were, “Just saying“, given the context of your post, is somewhat disingenuous, I think.

Again, I’m not defending what she said in the slightest. But I think these points very good examples of the kind of thing people who have been offended by her comments "discover" when looking more broadly at her work and her professional life. They draw conclusions that are simply absurd, just to find more reasons to hate her.

Hunchback Jack
06-30-2020, 09:15 PM
Since I've been called out as being disingenuous, who knows I probably am, I've told HBJ to put me on ignore by way of positive rep and I won't post on this thread again. Sorry for the inconvenience folks. :thumbsup: Have a good night!!

I apologize, Tommy. I could have made my point without being so rude, or without making it about you, specifically. I would much rather engage in thoughtful discourse with you than ignore you, or have you leave. Please reconsider.

HBJ

mae
07-01-2020, 02:58 PM
I suspect she is not the fervent anti-trans advocate that the press is making her out to be. I think, like many of her generation - and mine - she is struggling to understand how gender can be independent of sex, and being very skeptical of claims that the concepts of male and female as categories are meaningless.

That is what she's saying, but that's not what trans people and people advocating for trans rights say. No one is making those claims, it's a complete misrepresentation. It's not how science works. No one is saying sex ceases to exist when someone transitions. Doctors are aware that if you're a trans man, you were assigned female at birth and thus will take actions accordingly. Being trans doesn't eliminate the concepts of man or woman, it expands them.

I completely understand and agree. I’m not defending her statements in any way. I don’t agree with them. But I do think she’s coming from a different place than, say, Ben Shapiro. Yet people are tarring her with the same brush, and looking for other “evidence” in her work that she actively hates and fears anyone who isn’t straight, white, or English.

I don’t agree with her position at all, but I think the backlash has been overblown. I can understand anyone who no longer wants to support her work based on her statements, but I’ll continue to enjoy her work. I’m not endorsing her views by doing so.

(I think, too, that a lot of people mistake the obvious frustration she feels with people reading things into her work that she never intended as anger or hate. Whether it’s the religious right saying she worships satan, or the left saying she’s homo- or transphobic, she’s clearly run out of patience with it. That frustration prevents her from actively listening to people who start a conversation by calling her work problematic)

There have been a number of good video essays going over JK's essay and discussing all of the dangerous fallacies and misconceptions. Here's a very good and educational one, aimed especially at those unfamiliar with gender issues:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Avcp-e4bOs

St. Troy
07-02-2020, 06:53 AM
The evil hatred of J.K. Rowling, eh?

:wtf: :wtf: :wtf: :wtf:

CyberGhostface
07-02-2020, 03:31 PM
Do you agree with her views?

RichardX
07-03-2020, 07:58 AM
The revolution eats its own. Some people have to find out the hard way. They pontificate in the erroneous belief that everyone agrees as they do and demand that others apologize or be driven from society, then they step in it themselves and are chased by the mob. It would be humorous if it wasn't so sad.

kingfan2323
07-03-2020, 08:27 AM
The revolution eats its own. Some people have to find out the hard way. They pontificate in the erroneous belief that everyone agrees as they do and demand that others apologize or be driven from society, then they step in it themselves and are chased by the mob. It would be humorous if it wasn't so sad.BURN 'EM
KNOCK 'EM DOWN!

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seeking: anything DT related #246

CyberGhostface
07-03-2020, 10:14 AM
The revolution eats its own. Some people have to find out the hard way. They pontificate in the erroneous belief that everyone agrees as they do and demand that others apologize or be driven from society, then they step in it themselves and are chased by the mob. It would be humorous if it wasn't so sad.

I take it you agree with her comments as well? Why not just say you do? Otherwise I don’t know why you would be outraged that someone is getting criticized for transphobia.

She’s still a hugely successful author. No one is burning her books. They’re not closing down her theme park, cancelling her movies or upcoming video games based on her work.

But yes because she’s bigoted towards a marginalized group of people others are going to condemn her. That’s how it works. Stop acting like she’s a victim.

Joe315
07-03-2020, 02:52 PM
Breaking my self-imposed exile for a few things here. HBJ and I talked it out so I don't think he'll mind.

Firstly, her books were already being burned, first by Christians that thought she was Satanic and then some fans burned them because they found out she didn't support Donald Trump.

Now imagine if you will what she is saying is that black folks should not be allowed into white bathrooms or white locker rooms. That would have went over just fine during a certain period in time but not so much today (although I do know folks that wouldn't object to it). Now you could support her opinion even though it was actively hurting people or you could realize that in fact bigotry isn't a good thing.

Apply this to trans folks. The hackneyed argument she's used is that a trans woman will attack cis women in bathrooms because well anyone with a penis HAS to attack women, right? Or that a cis man will put on a wig and say he is trans to go into a bathroom to attack women. I don't think that a if a man planned to attack a woman, a sign would stop him. And let's say he did put on a wig and attack a woman in the bathroom, do you think him saying he is trans would automatically excuse his behavior and his crime? Trans women have no interest in attacking cis women. So she should probably stop spreading this narrative at the very least.

Now don't forget either, she was the one that praised SK and then he said "Yes, trans women are women" and deleted her tweet, unfollowed and blocked him. It appears as if SHE is the one demanding people believe as she does or they will be banished at least as far as SK goes.

People are in fact getting their HP tattoos removed.

Rapists (or any criminal) do not follow laws. Her argument is faulty.

But just because she is making this argument doesn’t mean she is transphobic. She is just ignorant. She has an irrational fear of men because of her past and believes one will hide behind transgenderism to rape someone. Its not about transgender people, it’s about men. It’s dumb.

However, I do wish that people wouldn’t try to take apart everything she’s written to find other possible prejudices.

EDIT: “ Trans women have no interest in attacking cis women.” Some might but them being transgender is unlikely to have anything to do with it.

CyberGhostface
07-03-2020, 02:54 PM
Now imagine if you will what she is saying is that black folks should not be allowed into white bathrooms or white locker rooms. That would have went over just fine during a certain period in time but not so much today (although I do know folks that wouldn't object to it). Now you could support her opinion even though it was actively hurting people or you could realize that in fact bigotry isn't a good thing.

Exactly. I doubt people would be moaning about mobs and burning books if Rowling was bigoted against an racial minority instead of trans people. (Well maybe some would.)

Joe315
07-03-2020, 03:23 PM
Breaking my self-imposed exile for a few things here. HBJ and I talked it out so I don't think he'll mind.

Firstly, her books were already being burned, first by Christians that thought she was Satanic and then some fans burned them because they found out she didn't support Donald Trump.

Now imagine if you will what she is saying is that black folks should not be allowed into white bathrooms or white locker rooms. That would have went over just fine during a certain period in time but not so much today (although I do know folks that wouldn't object to it). Now you could support her opinion even though it was actively hurting people or you could realize that in fact bigotry isn't a good thing.

Apply this to trans folks. The hackneyed argument she's used is that a trans woman will attack cis women in bathrooms because well anyone with a penis HAS to attack women, right? Or that a cis man will put on a wig and say he is trans to go into a bathroom to attack women. I don't think that a if a man planned to attack a woman, a sign would stop him. And let's say he did put on a wig and attack a woman in the bathroom, do you think him saying he is trans would automatically excuse his behavior and his crime? Trans women have no interest in attacking cis women. So she should probably stop spreading this narrative at the very least.

Now don't forget either, she was the one that praised SK and then he said "Yes, trans women are women" and deleted her tweet, unfollowed and blocked him. It appears as if SHE is the one demanding people believe as she does or they will be banished at least as far as SK goes.

People are in fact getting their HP tattoos removed.

Rapists (or any criminal) do not follow laws. Her argument is faulty.

But just because she is making this argument doesn’t mean she is transphobic. She is just ignorant. She has an irrational fear of men because of her past and believes one will hide behind transgenderism to rape someone. Its not about transgender people, it’s about men. It’s dumb.

However, I do wish that people wouldn’t try to take apart everything she’s written to find other possible prejudices.

EDIT: “ Trans women have no interest in attacking cis women.” Some might but them being transgender is unlikely to have anything to do with it.

If it's about men, she should stop making it about trans women. That is literally what she blocked King over, because he said trans women are women.

That’s my point about her ignorance. She doesn’t fully understand sex vs gender. If they identify as a woman and live as one they are likely experiencing the same biases against women she is, on top of the biases of being transgender. If a transwoman were to rape someone them being trans is irrelevant.

Her menstruation quote is another example of that ignorance. It’s not being a woman that makes you menstruate. You need the requisite equipment and transmen do have said equipment (pending reassignment therapies and surgery). And some women that do have the equipment can’t menstruate for any number of reasons. Gender is not the same as biological sex and she doesn’t seem to get that.

Curly
07-03-2020, 10:50 PM
I thought this thread was about Stephen King. Can the mods move these posts somewhere more appropriate?

Br!an
07-04-2020, 05:10 AM
I thought this thread was about Stephen King. Can the mods move these posts somewhere more appropriate?

This ties into King's Twitter account.

RichardX
07-04-2020, 08:01 AM
The revolution eats its own. Some people have to find out the hard way. They pontificate in the erroneous belief that everyone agrees as they do and demand that others apologize or be driven from society, then they step in it themselves and are chased by the mob. It would be humorous if it wasn't so sad.

I take it you agree with her comments as well? Why not just say you do? Otherwise I don’t know why you would be outraged that someone is getting criticized for transphobia.

She’s still a hugely successful author. No one is burning her books. They’re not closing down her theme park, cancelling her movies or upcoming video games based on her work.

But yes because she’s bigoted towards a marginalized group of people others are going to condemn her. That’s how it works. Stop acting like she’s a victim.

LOL. My point is that the mob can and will eventually find something they don't like about everyone. If you go after them like the villagers marching on Frankenstein's castle any time that they offer a point of view that varies from the PC police, it will have an unfortunate chilling effect. You already have many good people who are scared to say anything for fear of offending someone. That is not a healthy situation. She expressed an opinion. Big deal. No one needs her approval to go about their life as they see fit. What this is really about is trying to coerce society into accepting a certain world view and silencing any contrary opinions.

mae
07-04-2020, 08:04 AM
You already have many good people who are scared to say anything for fear of offending someone.

Easy solution to this is to not be an asshole and say offensive things.

Randall Flagg
07-04-2020, 10:09 AM
I thought this thread was about Stephen King. Can the mods move these posts somewhere more appropriate?

This ties into King's Twitter account.
Precisely.

CyberGhostface
07-04-2020, 10:13 AM
LOL. My point is that the mob can and will eventually find something they don't like about everyone. If you go after them like the villagers marching on Frankenstein's castle any time that they offer a point of view that varies from the PC police, it will have an unfortunate chilling effect. You already have many good people who are scared to say anything for fear of offending someone. That is not a healthy situation. She expressed an opinion. Big deal. No one needs her approval to go about their life as they see fit. What this is really about is trying to coerce society into accepting a certain world view and silencing any contrary opinions.

There are plenty of contrary opinions that aren’t attacking marginalized people from a position of status. You either don’t get that or you agree with what Rowling said but don’t want to admit it for some reason. She's even liking tweets supporting conversion therapy. You really don't get why people who support trans rights would take an issue with that?

Hunchback Jack
07-04-2020, 10:25 AM
Rowland isn’t a victim here?

If you posted some opinions online that other people found offensive ...

... and their response was to go back over every single thing you had posted online in the last 25 years, looking for the most ignorant and bigoted thing you have ever said, things that you no longer believe ...

... sometimes taking statements and ideas out of context, and deliberately misinterpreting them in order to make you look as hateful as possible ...

... and they then made videos about those posts, and posted quotes and summaries and interpretations of those quotes for the sole purpose of showing the world what a terrible person you were ...

... would you feel victimized?

I can disagree with Rowling’s position on whether trans women are women, and also think that the reaction to those statements are unreasonable and unfair to her.

Irrational hate is not a valid response-even to irrational hate.

CyberGhostface
07-04-2020, 12:45 PM
The overwhelming amount of reaction I have seen has been to her most recent manifesto. Not saying that people haven’t tried digging up dirt from twenty-five years ago and made YouTube videos of it but it’s not widespread. I certainly haven’t seen any major publications or even fringe sites discussing something that far back.

She wrote a lengthy essay that no one asked for during Pride Month. That’s when she received the brunt of the blowback. People have known she was a terf for a while now and while it was always in the background there was more backlash over Johnny Depp being in her film.

I do think cancel culture can be ridiculous especially if you’re digging up offensive jokes made ten years ago but in this case she’s a public figure making controversial statements and getting flack for it.

Hunchback Jack
07-04-2020, 12:54 PM
My “25 years ago“ comment was referring to her Harry Potter books. People have been going back through them and finding “evidence“ of anti-Semitism (goblins), pro slavery (house elves), racism against Chinese people (the Cho Chang character) and so on. Utter nonsense, of course, but that doesn’t stop people from using their own ignorant interpretations of her work as grounds for character assassination.

Responding to the comments that she’s making today, and showing how they are hurtful and ignorant, is something I support. But this poring over her past work in order to “prove” she’s a terrible person, and therefore wrong, just seems like a bunch of people who loved her work taking revenge on her because of her views.

CyberGhostface
07-04-2020, 01:09 PM
Well those controversies had been there for years long before the trans controversy happened. I remember defending the use of house elves in regards to slavery (as yes its obviously not pro-slavery) way back in the early 2000s. And these things have been discussed on/off throughout the years for different reasons. I.E. Cho Chang was discussed a bit after Rowling revealed Voldemort's pet snake used to be an Asian woman in the last 'Fantastic Beasts' film for example which caused a bit of controversy.

But yes I agree trying to retroactively cancel her over stuff like that is stupid.

Kingfan24
07-05-2020, 12:10 PM
The revolution eats its own. Some people have to find out the hard way. They pontificate in the erroneous belief that everyone agrees as they do and demand that others apologize or be driven from society, then they step in it themselves and are chased by the mob. It would be humorous if it wasn't so sad.

I take it you agree with her comments as well? Why not just say you do? Otherwise I don’t know why you would be outraged that someone is getting criticized for transphobia.

She’s still a hugely successful author. No one is burning her books. They’re not closing down her theme park, cancelling her movies or upcoming video games based on her work.

But yes because she’s bigoted towards a marginalized group of people others are going to condemn her. That’s how it works. Stop acting like she’s a victim.

LOL. My point is that the mob can and will eventually find something they don't like about everyone. If you go after them like the villagers marching on Frankenstein's castle any time that they offer a point of view that varies from the PC police, it will have an unfortunate chilling effect. You already have many good people who are scared to say anything for fear of offending someone. That is not a healthy situation. She expressed an opinion. Big deal. No one needs her approval to go about their life as they see fit. What this is really about is trying to coerce society into accepting a certain world view and silencing any contrary opinions.

This is why, even though I never comment on social media besides this site, my family and I are deleting all Facebook/Twitter accounts.

mae
07-05-2020, 12:20 PM
Good, Facebook is literal evil.

RichardX
07-06-2020, 02:49 PM
You already have many good people who are scared to say anything for fear of offending someone.

Easy solution to this is to not be an asshole and say offensive things.

Yes, I'm sure that is what is being done by suggesting everyone with a contrary point of view to the PC mob is evil, stupid or a bigot. LOL. That used to be called bullying by the very folks now who are dishing this out. I disagree with almost everything that Stephen King posts. He comes off as a petulant, hypocrite but I don't suggest that because I disagree with his political views that he is evil and should be silenced. He is probably well intentioned in his own misguided way. I don't know him personally to judge or really even care. His views on politics are of no importance to me. So maybe relax. Life is short. Pick your bad guys/girls or whatever carefully. It's not a race to the end.

Randall Flagg
07-06-2020, 03:07 PM
Pos rep sent.

Randall Flagg
07-06-2020, 05:51 PM
I'm going to request (not demand), that any additional discussion be posted in the correct forum/thread.
Look around, there are several threads.


RF

Ben Mears
07-07-2020, 05:13 AM
You already have many good people who are scared to say anything for fear of offending someone.

Easy solution to this is to not be an asshole and say offensive things.

There's a difference between saying something that someone with a differing opinion might consider offensive vs saying something truly offensive. Unfortunately in the the current climate it all gets lumped together and anyone offering contrary argument or opinion on sensitive topics are immediate labeled (racist, xenophobe, supremist etc take your pick) and excoriated making healthy and productive discussions very difficult.

CyberGhostface
07-07-2020, 07:39 AM
There's a difference between saying something that someone with a differing opinion might consider offensive vs saying something truly offensive.

Who makes that call as to what is truly offensive and what someone might just consider to be offensive?

If a trans person is offended at JK Rowling attacking transgender people should a cis person be the one to say “there’s nothing wrong with that, get over it”?

M_O_O_N
07-07-2020, 07:56 AM
Look! Over here! It's Molly!

"Molly, aka the Thing of Evil, reacts to Yoshi saying, "Let's be good for a change! We'll get more treats, and people will like us! I might even stop shitting on the floor in front of the TV!"


http://www.thedarktower.org/gallery/data/500/medium/Molly_dog.jpg

Ben Mears
07-07-2020, 09:53 AM
There's a difference between saying something that someone with a differing opinion might consider offensive vs saying something truly offensive.

Who makes that call as to what is truly offensive and what someone might just consider to be offensive?


Good question. These days it seems to be anyone with an online platform who wants to be judge and jury.

CyberGhostface
07-07-2020, 10:37 AM
Yeah the whole “what’s the big deal, just ignore her, you’re persecuting her for her opinions” is just disingenuous especially when you factor in that Rowling is probably the biggest living author who has a huge platform to spread her views. If people agree with her (and I suspect some here do) then just say it so we know where you stand.

mae
07-07-2020, 11:00 AM
Not to drag this debate out for much longer, we should probably move on, but I can say that as a trans person it does offend immensely. Her long essay is full of inaccuracies and falsehoods when attempting to provide facts. This is why I posted that long video earlier which goes over it statement by statement and provides clarification and education. One of the analogies for the bathroom situation she brings up is saying that allowing black women into these bathrooms will endanger white women. It's nonsense and fear-mongering. But we live in a time when facts are up for debate.

CyberGhostface
07-07-2020, 12:23 PM
I believe trans women are women. I do not believe that hate speech and shaming speech are acceptable. Those things are the enemy of rational discourse. Treat even those with whom you disagree with the dignity you expect yourself.

https://twitter.com/StephenKing/status/1280566617731104768?s=20

Ben Mears
07-07-2020, 12:57 PM
There's a difference between saying something that someone with a differing opinion might consider offensive vs saying something truly offensive.

Who makes that call as to what is truly offensive and what someone might just consider to be offensive?


Good question. These days it seems to be anyone with an online platform who wants to be judge and jury.

As someone that has been denied their identity in life by religion, family members, politicians and members of the community, I can say that THAT is truly offensive. Denying trans folks their identities because you have a contrary POV is rather heinous.

Not sure if you are directing your response to me. If so, my comments were a general observation about the judgmental nature of the online world and the risks that are inherent with voicing a contrary opinion and not about the current JK Rowling conversation in this thread.

Kingfan24
07-08-2020, 04:02 PM
You already have many good people who are scared to say anything for fear of offending someone.

Easy solution to this is to not be an asshole and say offensive things.

Yes, I'm sure that is what is being done by suggesting everyone with a contrary point of view to the PC mob is evil, stupid or a bigot. LOL. That used to be called bullying by the very folks now who are dishing this out. I disagree with almost everything that Stephen King posts. He comes off as a petulant, hypocrite but I don't suggest that because I disagree with his political views that he is evil and should be silenced. He is probably well intentioned in his own misguided way. I don't know him personally to judge or really even care. His views on politics are of no importance to me. So maybe relax. Life is short. Pick your bad guys/girls or whatever carefully. It's not a race to the end.

Great post.

CyberGhostface
07-08-2020, 08:05 PM
I wonder how many of the people suggesting we should just ignore Rowling for her using her celebrity status to undermine a marginalized group will do the same next time King insults Trump or Republicans. :|

T-Dogz_AK47
07-08-2020, 10:04 PM
I wonder how many of the people suggesting we should just ignore Rowling for her using her celebrity status to undermine a marginalized group will do the same next time King insults Trump or Republicans. :|

Not the same thing. Republicans are not a marginalised group any more or less than Democrats.