Doctor Sleep-The Shining II

[Randall Flagg]

At the George Mason Award ceremony, King discusses his sequel to The Shining.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y2CnVM3MjbQ

[CRinVA]

You VIP Group had really nice seats! I'm envious!!!!!

And really hyped about Dr Sleep. I asked King when was it going to be published and all I got was "there is another Dark Tower to be published first!" So maybe late next year we will se Dr Sleep!

[Robert Fulman]

Is this an appropriate thread to sheepishly admit that I've never read The Shining? Should I get on that?

[Brice]

ummm....yes, absolutely. Now isn't soon enough.

[Mr. Rabbit Trick]

Is this an appropriate thread to sheepishly admit that I've never read The Shining? Should I get on that?

Honestly, get on it now. Its on everybody's top 5 King books.

[jhanic]

I agree. What are you waiting for??

John

[Bethany]

Is this an appropriate thread to sheepishly admit that I've never read The Shining? Should I get on that?

Honestly, get on it now. Its on everybody's top 5 King books.

Not mine :P, though it is good.

[Ben Mears]

As with all of SK's book I'll definitely read Dr. Sleep although I was less than enthused by the premise he described. It sounds like it will change the way we view the forces at work in The Shining. For years and years I had hoped for a full length sequel to my favorite book, 'Salem's Lot, but as time has gone on I'm glad it never happened. I believe One For The Road succeeded very well as the coda and wasn't enthralled with how SK wrapped up the Lot in Wolves of the Calla. Sometimes things are better left to the imagination.

[Cloysterpete]

Is this an appropriate thread to sheepishly admit that I've never read The Shining? Should I get on that?

Honestly, get on it now. Its on everybody's top 5 King books.

Not mine :P, though it is good.

Not mine either, not a huge fan of The Shining, or most of his early, early books like Salems.

[Randall Flagg]

King reads from Dr. Sleep:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LPDU-5TrOUs

[Merlin1958]

Is this an appropriate thread to sheepishly admit that I've never read The Shining? Should I get on that?

Your "Fan" card is in danger of being pulled!!!!

:lol1:

[shnnrc01]

i began re-reading the shining a few months ago and got about 100 pages in,i couldnt do no more. i dont know why but it just didnt to click with me. dropped it and picked up jack reachers latest-devoured that in 3 days.(reacher is the man though!) go figure!!

[Randall Flagg]

At the George Mason Award ceremony, King discusses his sequel to The Shining.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y2CnVM3MjbQ
15,000+ views!

[Bev Vincent]

Tonight Steve announced that he was done the second draft. He said that critics have been very kind with him regarding 11/22/63, and they've said maybe he was getting away from all that horror stuff. They won't know what hit them with Dr. sleep, he said. It's a goddamn scary book.

[Brice]

Yay! :clap:

[mae]

:panic:

[shnnrc01]

cant wait for this one!

[jhanic]

:thumbsup:

John

[Patrick]

What they all said!

[Heather19]

Tonight Steve announced that he was done the second draft. He said that critics have been very kind with him regarding 11/22/63, and they've said maybe he was getting away from all that horror stuff. They won't know what hit them with Dr. sleep, he said. It's a goddamn scary book.

Nice! The scarier the better :D
And I just re-read The Shining, such a great book.

[Ben Mears]

Be nice to see Centipede's limited edition of The Shining released at the same time as Dr. Sleep!

[AKC]

Don't tease......I'd love to have a S/L of the Shining.

Regardless of Publisher (well, certainly not S&S).

Somebody do it! PLEASE!

AKC

[Merlin1958]

Yay! :clap:

Yay? That the best your vocabulary will allow? LOL

I say it's Extraordinary news, my dear Brice!!!

:tongue1:

[mae]

Tonight Steve announced that he was done the second draft. He said that critics have been very kind with him regarding 11/22/63, and they've said maybe he was getting away from all that horror stuff. They won't know what hit them with Dr. sleep, he said. It's a goddamn scary book.

I'm not deluded enough to think King might be turning into the next Faulkner or Updike but it's certainly nice he's getting some deserving mainstream recognition it seems like. Still, the next book being scary as fuck is also welcome news. And it is the next book, right? I mean aside from The Wind Through the Keyhole.

[LadyHitchhiker]

How dare someone cough while Uncle Steve is speaking??!?!?

[carlosdetweiller]

Don't tease......I'd love to have a S/L of the Shining.

Regardless of Publisher (well, certainly not S&S).

Somebody do it! PLEASE!

AKC

It's not that somebody won't do it or hasn't thought of doing it. It is a matter of getting King's approval for the project. Jerad at Centipede Press has layouts, artwork, etc. all ready to go but cannot get King's approval.

[Bev Vincent]

Some got the hiccups during his Majestic appearance. Either that or the weirdest damn sneeze I've ever heard. It silenced the theater for a few seconds and then laughter.

[Ben Mears]

Don't tease......I'd love to have a S/L of the Shining.

Regardless of Publisher (well, certainly not S&S).

Somebody do it! PLEASE!

AKC

It's not that somebody won't do it or hasn't thought of doing it. It is a matter of getting King's approval for the project. Jerad at Centipede Press has layouts, artwork, etc. all ready to go but cannot get King's approval.

Write-in campaign opportunity! Maybe a combo limited w/The Shining and Dr. Sleep.

[DanishCollector]

Where did King give this announcement? Can't seem to find it online. Was it in an interview?

[Ben Mears]

Tonight Steve announced that he was done the second draft. He said that critics have been very kind with him regarding 11/22/63, and they've said maybe he was getting away from all that horror stuff. They won't know what hit them with Dr. sleep, he said. It's a goddamn scary book.

He must have finished the second draft in two days as the Moderator on the SK website indicated on 11/9 that the first draft had just been completed!

[Bev Vincent]

Where did King give this announcement? Can't seem to find it online. Was it in an interview?

He said it at McKinney North High School on Friday night. I was there.

[Merlin1958]

Don't tease......I'd love to have a S/L of the Shining.

Regardless of Publisher (well, certainly not S&S).

Somebody do it! PLEASE!

AKC

It's not that somebody won't do it or hasn't thought of doing it. It is a matter of getting King's approval for the project. Jerad at Centipede Press has layouts, artwork, etc. all ready to go but cannot get King's approval.

Wasn't King miffed at Centipede over the 'Salem's Lot 2005 edition? I seem to recall some kind of dust-up with him and CP.

[Robert Fulman]

I started reading The Shining, and I like it a lot. The Torrances have just taken over the Overlook and Jack is having issues with some wasps. Is it just me, or does this book feel like The Talisman?t

[Merlin1958]

Just You!!!!

[Jimimck]

Write-in campaign opportunity! Maybe a combo limited w/The Shining and Dr. Sleep.

Where do I sign?!?!?!!?!?

[Ben Mears]

Don't tease......I'd love to have a S/L of the Shining.

Regardless of Publisher (well, certainly not S&S).

Somebody do it! PLEASE!

AKC

It's not that somebody won't do it or hasn't thought of doing it. It is a matter of getting King's approval for the project. Jerad at Centipede Press has layouts, artwork, etc. all ready to go but cannot get King's approval.

Wasn't King miffed at Centipede over the 'Salem's Lot 2005 edition? I seem to recall some kind of dust-up with him and CP.

Miffed wouldn't be accurate. Initially King was lavish in his praise for the Centipede 'Salem's Lot (actual letters of this nature from him to the publisher have been posted here) but at some point after publication he made some very unflattering remarks about both the book and the publisher that were out of bounds.

[carlosdetweiller]

Don't tease......I'd love to have a S/L of the Shining.

Regardless of Publisher (well, certainly not S&S).

Somebody do it! PLEASE!

AKC

It's not that somebody won't do it or hasn't thought of doing it. It is a matter of getting King's approval for the project. Jerad at Centipede Press has layouts, artwork, etc. all ready to go but cannot get King's approval.

Wasn't King miffed at Centipede over the 'Salem's Lot 2005 edition? I seem to recall some kind of dust-up with him and CP.

Miffed wouldn't be accurate. Initially King was lavish in his praise for the Centipede 'Salem's Lot (actual letters of this nature from him to the publisher have been posted here) but at some point after publication he made some very unflattering remarks about both the book and the publisher that were out of bounds.

Jerad went through Arthur Greene, King's attorney, to get approval for the 'SALEM'S LOT limited edition. So he went to Greene again with his THE SHINING proposal. Greene presented it to King who said "No" but Greene told Jerad to ask again in six months or so because King frequently changes his mind on stuff like that depending on his mood that day. So, in six months Jerad asked Greene again as he was told to do. I guess King was in a particularly bad mood because he again said "No" and followed up with statements in interviews like "this guy keeps bugging me," etc. I think that his once positive statements about the 'SALEM'S LOT edition changed to negative about this time.

I only know Jerad's side of the story but he really wasn't "bugging" King. He really wanted to do the limited edition and was just following Greene's suggestions.

[Rahfa]

Blatant namedropping alert:

I went to a VERY bestselling author friend's house recently and he had boxes of books sent to him by hopeful lesser authors looking for blurbs, promotion, etc.

I think it's very fine line between an honest creative idea, and seeming - unintentionally - like a pest. Jerad was totally doing the right thing, the right way, but if at any point it SEEMS like being a pest, then it doesn't matter...the perception is all that matters.

So it was unfair...but seeing all those boxes at my friends house made me appreciate the massive demands these guys are under in terms of their time, energy and attention. It makes me look at this a little - just a little - differently. I still think SK treated Jerad wrong.

(alright, not really namedropping, because I'm not giving the name...haha)

[Robert Fulman]

There is a young boy with a unique ability to connect with a mirror universe. He does not completely understand his power, but luckily a kindly, older black man has exeprience with such matters and is able to provide him with some guidance.

Am I describing The Shining or The Talisman?

[Merlin1958]

Talisman, IMHO

[AKC]

There is a young boy with a unique ability to connect with a mirror universe. He does not completely understand his power, but luckily a kindly, older black man has exeprience with such matters and is able to provide him with some guidance.

Am I describing The Shining or The Talisman?

Shining (since its a Dr. Sleep thread and we can reference Stanley Kubrick's interpretation)......

AKC

[Merlin1958]

Well, the reference to a "mirror universe" swung my vote, but you make a good point. I think the similarities may be what ROFL had in mind.

[Jimimck]

I'm going to vote Talisman, but obviously it is a good example to point out the similarities...

[jemaher]

talisman

[jhanic]

I'd also say Talisman, because of the mirror image statement. Danny imagined (saw?) things that may or may not happen, which is not the same thing.

John

[Patrick]

I started reading The Shining, and I like it a lot. The Torrances have just taken over the Overlook and Jack is having issues with some wasps. Is it just me, or does this book feel like The Talisman?
I read THE SHINING a while after THE TALISMAN and, yes, I noticed a similar feel as well - but that wore off as the story progressed.

[pathoftheturtle]

I'd also say Talisman, because of the mirror image statement. Danny imagined (saw?) things that may or may not happen, which is not the same thing.

JohnYeah, but it certainly does evoke the twinner concept when you think about it. "Tony was like looking into a magic mirror..."

[Randall Flagg]

At the George Mason Award ceremony, King discusses his sequel to The Shining.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y2CnVM3MjbQ
Over 27,000 views!

[Randall Flagg]

The official title will be Doctor Sleep.

[Randall Flagg]

2
1.41421356237309
44.85532298401161

[jhanic]

???

John

[Randall Flagg]

???

John
Work it out.
Robert Fullman will likely figure it out first, but who knows.

[jhanic]

The first one is pi, but I'm at a loss for the second one.

John

[Robert Fulman]

1.414 is the square root of two...

[Bev Vincent]

44.85532298401161 is the square root of 2012.

[Jimimck]

4/2/2012

Surprise release date?

[jhanic]

You guys are too smart for me!

John

[biomieg]

4/2/2012

Surprise release date?

Sqrt(4)
Sqrt(2)
Sqrt(2012)

... makes sense...

The big question is: what information or content will be released that day?

[you ever seen a ghost?]

that's my birthday! strange day for an announcement. usually those come on Tuesdays.

-justin

[Ben Mears]

4/2/2012

Surprise release date?

Sqrt(4)
Sqrt(2)
Sqrt(2012)

... makes sense...

The big question is: what information or content will be released that day?

Maybe the Doctor Sleep content SK is reading on the TWTTK audio book will be available to read on the SK website.

[Randall Flagg]

Stay tuned.

[mae]

Would they really announce a book so early if it were due to be published next year? Not that Doctor Sleep is any sort of secret, but it hasn't been officially announced for publication. Maybe it was finally moved up to November 2012.

[Randall Flagg]

The trade book is scheduled for next year, but there is no official date for it..

[mae]

The trade book is scheduled for next year, but there is no official date for it..

Uh-oh. A limited edition for November? :panic:?

[herbertwest]

It will be quite early for the bookcover...

[Robert Fulman]

I'm going with Grant publishing a special edition, but King is only willing to sign 80 copies. Don't call to ask questions, though.

[Randall Flagg]

I'm going with Grant publishing a special edition, but King is only willing to sign 80 copies. Don't call to ask questions, though.
All of the information you need is contained in the newsletter....

[Jimimck]

I'm going with Grant publishing a special edition, but King is only willing to sign 80 copies. Don't call to ask questions, though.

Lol!!!

[DanishCollector]

Probably a traycase like the Night Shift and The Shining ones.

[Randall Flagg]

Probably a traycase like the Night Shift and The Shining ones.
Absolutely, unequivocally not.

[e_taylor]

My guess is a Cemetery Dance limited edition.

King seems to like working with them lately, and I can see Jerome getting some sort of inside information from CD in order to hype up the release around these parts.

[Jimimck]

I'm in for a CD limited edition, but it would be nice if they did a 1/3rd, 1/3rd, 1/3rd deal like Grant did recently.... (but still let us contact them if we want to....)

[Merlin1958]

El Jefe? If you are planning on leaving us hanging with another "tease" until Monday then, I am jumping in my car and heading up to No-Cal and am gonna beat it out of ya on behalf of all members here. You have til 5 O'Clock AZ time and then off I go!!!! Should be there Saturday afternoon!!! I will FIND you!!!!

Remember, I'm from NY so guys with vowels at the end of their names and a bag of lime could well be involved!!! La Cosa Nostra hates a "tease"!!!! LOL Oh, and I'm bringing my "Mont Blanc" and I ain't diggin' the hole, Boy-o!!!!

:emot-flame::lol1:

[Garrell]

What Merlin said...

[Shannon]

Can't remember where I was reading it, but I read that Dr. Sleep has both Danny Torrence and Charlie McGee in it. Is this old news, real news, or made up news? Thanks.

[harrison ryan]

Can't remember where I was reading it, but I read that Dr. Sleep has both Danny Torrence and Charlie McGee in it. Is this old news, real news, or made up news? Thanks.

I believe that's made-up news. King has jokingly stated numerous times that when asked about whatever happened to Danny from The Shining he always assumed he grew up and married Charlie from Firestarter and they had a superhuman kid together. There's been no indication that she'll really be in Doctor Sleep, though, to my knowledge.

[Randall Flagg]

DOCTOR SLEEP.COM (http://www.doctorsleep.co)

[Garrell]

Ordered 2:)

[beam*seeker]

Can't remember where I was reading it, but I read that Dr. Sleep has both Danny Torrence and Charlie McGee in it. Is this old news, real news, or made up news? Thanks.

I believe that's made-up news. King has jokingly stated numerous times that when asked about whatever happened to Danny from The Shining he always assumed he grew up and married Charlie from Firestarter and they had a superhuman kid together. There's been no indication that she'll really be in Doctor Sleep, though, to my knowledge.

that would be really cool. or he could marry Carrie, if she was still alive (or resurrected)

[Randall Flagg]

This is the busiest the site has been on a Sunday in years.

[jhanic]

Nobody could get their Stephen King "fix" yesterday, so they're making up for it today!

John

[Jimimck]

So do we know where that image of the book came from?

[Roseannebarr]

i saw that we could preorder Doctor Sleep last night, but now the link is gone. am i too late. :( I almost had a heart attach last night when i saw that!! :) you got me hook line and sinker. i was half asleep last night at 1 am.

[Randall Flagg]

So do we know where that image of the book came from?
Yes.

[Jimimck]

Care to be nice and tell us where it came from? Please?

[Randall Flagg]

The person asked to go unnamed. If that person changes their mind, I (or they) will disclose, otherwise it's a secret.

[Robert Fulman]

I wonder if the work was done by an artistically inclined poster who uses the symbol on the book's spine as his signature...

[Randall Flagg]

http://www.thedarktower.org/custom/images/1333494301-Doctor%20Sleep%20Cover.jpg

[Jimimck]

Like the first one better :smile:

[harrison ryan]

That was the first one!

[Jimimck]

That was the first one!

Oh? Ok.
I like the one I saw first better.

[harrison ryan]

That was the first one!

Oh? Ok.
I like the one I saw first better.

Yeah. Me, too. ;)

[Garrell]

Love the font and pic on that last one:)

[herbertwest]

the official website : U.S. publication date for Doctor Sleep has been tentatively set for January 15, 2013


May 8th, 2012 9:08:34 am

Stephen King returns to the characters and territory of one of his most popular novels ever, The Shining, in this instantly riveting novel about the now middle-aged Dan Torrance (the boy protagonist of The Shining) and the very special twelve-year-old girl he must save from a tribe of murderous paranormals.

On highways across America, a tribe of people called The True Knot travel in search of sustenance. They look harmless—mostly old, lots of polyester, and married to their RVs. But as Dan Torrance knows, and tween Abra Stone learns, The True Knot are quasi-immortal, living off the “steam” that children with the “shining” produce when they are slowly tortured to death.

Haunted by the inhabitants of the Overlook Hotel where he spent one horrific childhood year, Dan has been drifting for decades, desperate to shed his father’s legacy of despair, alcoholism, and violence. Finally, he settles in a New Hampshire town, an AA community that sustains him, and a job at a nursing home where his remnant “shining” power provides the crucial final comfort to the dying. Aided by a prescient cat, he becomes “Doctor Sleep.”

Then Dan meets the evanescent Abra Stone, and it is her spectacular gift, the brightest shining ever seen, that reignites Dan’s own demons and summons him to a battle for Abra’s soul and survival. This is an epic war between good and evil, a gory, glorious story that will thrill the millions of hyper-devoted readers of The Shining and wildly satisfy anyone new to the territory of this icon in the King canon.

[mikeC]

This books just sounds so terrible to me.
More AA stuff please!
"Tween"? Really? I had to go to SK.com to make this wasn't a joke, it reads like a fan fiction synopsis.

[jhanic]

This was posted up in the US and UK First Editions thread by Skyofcrack:


Product Details
Scribner, January 15, 2013
Hardcover, 544 pages
ISBN-10: 1451698844
ISBN-13: 9781451698848
List Price: $30.00

http://books.simonandschuster.com/Do.../9781451698848
http://www.amazon.com/Doctor-Sleep-S.../dp/1451698844

John

[mae]

544 pages, nice long read!

[mae]

Preordered :)

[mae]

Countdown: http://free.timeanddate.com/countdown/i33mo9pf/n179/cf12/cm0/cu4/ct0/cs0/ca0/co1/cr0/ss0/cac000/cpc000/pcfff/tcfff/fs200/szw320/szh135/tatTime%20Until%20Publication%20of%20%22Doctor%20S leep%22/tac000/tptTime%20since%20Event%20started%20in/tpc000/iso2013-01-15T00:00:00

:excited:

[jhanic]

Hopefully, I'll have the proof in August or September.

John

[Pasiuk57]

Might have to reread The Shining!
I like the plotline already...

[you ever seen a ghost?]

John, are you serious?

-justin

[Brice]

John. does not joke when it comes to proofs.

[jhanic]

John, are you serious?

-justin

Of course I'm serious. As Brice said, I don't joke around about proofs. Hopefully Hodder will also do a proof this time. :-)

John

[you ever seen a ghost?]

well, i know. i just thought it seemed a bit early.

-justin

[jhanic]

It's not really that early if the proposed publication date is January, 2013. I got my proof of the Scribner Wind Through the Keyhole in December of 2011, about five months before the publication date.

John

[Pasiuk57]

I hope the UK has one this time...
The "samplers" are kind of basic.

[herbertwest]

Any idea of why there was no british proof for THE WIND..?

[Mr. Rabbit Trick]

Any idea of why there was no british proof for THE WIND..?

Proofs are for reviewers to write a review before the book comes out. The Grant book was published weeks before the H&S one. That's the reason I think there may not have been a UK proof. But who knows, other than the publisher.

[killbourne]

I hope that CD gets the rights to do a signed/limited.

[ELazansky]

Overlook Connection is doing their own set of "limiteds"

Slipcased set on The Shining & Danny Torrence
Posted: May 9, 2012, 11:26:01
The Overlook Connection Bookstore is offering a signed Slipcased Sets with Original Covers!

Here are the info:

- Special Set of 3 Hardcovers!
- Only 100 Numbered Sets Available!
- Each Hardcover SIGNED by Glenn Chadbourne and Mick Garris!
- Pick Your Number! First Come, First Pick!
- $200.00 + shipping

This Slipcased Set of 3 Hard Covers Features:

~~ DOCTOR SLEEP:~~
by Stephen King.
1st Printing with the publisher dust jacket and
a second dust jacket of Original Cover by Artist Glenn Chadbourne!
Signed by Glenn Chadbourne!

~~ BEFORE THE PLAY: ~~
Hardcover of The Shining movie special edition, and prequel
story to The Shining.
Signed by Mick Garris, director of The Shining
(see details below)

~~ THE SHINING ~~
by Stephen King.
This is the "Original 70's Cover" Hard Cover Edition!
with second and Original Cover by Artist Glenn Chadbourne!
Signed by Glenn Chadbourne!

Yes, you read correctly - All three hard cover books, all signed by artist and director and slipcased. This is the perfect set that features everything on The Shining and Danny Torrence! Only 100 sets are being produced and that is it. Order early to gaurantee your copy!

All Three Hardcovers are held in an attractive leatherette slipcase! Order here.

[mae]

Before the Play is just a rebound TV Guide, looks like.

[jhanic]

If that's true, it means that it is actually missing one "chapter" that was included in the original "Before the Play" published in Whispers #17/18 in 1982.

John

[Roseannebarr]

If that's true, it means that it is actually missing one "chapter" that was included in the original "Before the Play" published in Whispers #17/18 in 1982.

John

Anybody purchasing these from overlook?

[mae]

The preorder has been pulled from Amazon. It's still in my order history, but inactive. The ISBN turns up no results.

[herbertwest]

If that's true, it means that it is actually missing one "chapter" that was included in the original "Before the Play" published in Whispers #17/18 in 1982.
John

You should maybe mention it to the publisher?

[Ari_Racing]

Actually three chapter would be missing, since the TV guide only had 2 and Whispers has 5 acts.

[mattgreenbean]

I ordered a set, although I haven't gotten an email about picking a number yet.

[carbinworld]

I ordered one, thinking about ordering a remarque'd version too.

[TCCBodhi]

Is this Overlook going the premier first edition, or do you think there will be a more typical SK s/l from a different publisher? I don't have a lot of $$ to throw around buying multiple editions, so would like to make sure I get the "right" thing.

[Dan]

Is this Overlook going the premier first edition, or do you think there will be a more typical SK s/l from a different publisher? I don't have a lot of $$ to throw around buying multiple editions, so would like to make sure I get the "right" thing.

Others will have better info, but I'm under the impression that this is something they are doing on their own. It's not signed by King, only the artist of the dust jackets they are self producing. Unless they have something worked out with the publisher of the trade edition I wouldn't think it would even be available until after the trade edition is available. This is all my opinion and is in no way based on facts.

[TCCBodhi]

That was my opinion too, but I appreciate hearing from others as I haven't paid much attention to the detail to the workings of the King market until recently. I'm kind of thankful that I don't have much time and money to spend since I'm finding it pretty interesting.

[Jimimck]

I like the idea of he remarqued copy for $99. But I'm a bit of a wimp and don't want to risk $200 plus international shipping on the full set available without see what I would like first.

[Roseannebarr]

I ordered a set, although I haven't gotten an email about picking a number yet.


When you ordered you were supposed to put three #'s in the comments 1st 2nd and 3rd choice. i think i got #14 becuz they are marking out the numbers as they are claimed. they stated 60% sold out and about 15 numbers have been elimanated.

[TCCBodhi]

I passed on the large edition, but the Remarqued edition sounded too good, especially after an unexpected further discount as a first time buyer! This will be my first with a remarque (presuming I don't get a different one before publication)

[Room 217 Caretaker]

If that's true, it means that it is actually missing one "chapter" that was included in the original "Before the Play" published in Whispers #17/18 in 1982.

John

Anybody purchasing these from overlook?

Everyone here knows I'm a huge Shinning fan, however, I'm actually passing on the deal. I think Glenn will do an awesome job on the Overlook made jacket.

I already have a lettered Whispers, the TV Guide, and will add a 1st Doctor Sleep. I think Daves offer of the remarqued by Glenn Doctor Sleep isn't bad at all. However, everyone needs to understand the delay I think will happen with this copy. Dave will get the books (after release) send to Glenn, he will Remarque, ship back to Dave at Overlook, etc. Expect delays on that project. JMO

Ralph

[Roseannebarr]

I ordered a set, although I haven't gotten an email about picking a number yet.


When you ordered you were supposed to put three #'s in the comments 1st 2nd and 3rd choice. i think i got #14 becuz they are marking out the numbers as they are claimed. they stated 60% sold out and about 15 numbers have been elimanated.

I am having second thoughts about buying this.

#1-20 are crossed out #100 is gone too #34 and 60 everything else looks like fair game. I guess i just want everything and should have been more careful before buying this!

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[Roseannebarr]

If that's true, it means that it is actually missing one "chapter" that was included in the original "Before the Play" published in Whispers #17/18 in 1982.

John

Anybody purchasing these from overlook?

Everyone here knows I'm a huge Shinning fan, however, I'm actually passing on the deal. I think Glenn will do an awesome job on the Overlook made jacket.

I already have a lettered Whispers, the TV Guide, and will add a 1st Doctor Sleep. I think Daves offer of the remarqued by Glenn Doctor Sleep isn't bad at all. However, everyone needs to understand the delay I think will happen with this copy. Dave will get the books (after release) send to Glenn, he will Remarque, ship back to Dave at Overlook, etc. Expect delays on that project. JMO

Ralph

If the caretaker isnt buying, i am really having second thoughts. PS. I never stay on the second floor of any hotel!! becuz of SK and room 217 i dont even go on the 2nd floor of any numbered building!

[Ben Mears]

I ordered a set, although I haven't gotten an email about picking a number yet.


When you ordered you were supposed to put three #'s in the comments 1st 2nd and 3rd choice. i think i got #14 becuz they are marking out the numbers as they are claimed. they stated 60% sold out and about 15 numbers have been elimanated.



I am having second thoughts about buying this.

#1-20 are crossed out #100 is gone too #34 and 60 everything else looks like fair game. I guess i just want everything and should have been more careful before buying this!

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SK should just authorize the Centipede Shining limited and be done with it!

[Brice]

^^^ this

[mistercrowley]

The Overlook edition holds zero appeal for. I want a real signed limited not some third party unofficial edition signed by people other than King.

[Mr. Rabbit Trick]

The Overlook edition holds zero appeal for. I want a real signed limited not some third party unofficial edition signed by people other than King.

Ditto.

[George at C-Springs]

I don't mind the artist signed/remarqued edition, saves me the time & trouble of shipping one off to have it done myself. Don't care at all for the 100 limited, same third party feelings and really do you care about any other sig except SK?

[mattgreenbean]

Yeah, I put my requested number in the comment section, I didn't get an email back but I do see on my order on the website that I did get the set I requested.

:)

It's still gonna look good with my collection.

77 appears to be available.

[mattgreenbean]

I was wrong about 77 being left, they state that 60 were bought on the first day.

Cemetery Dance are going to have a slipcase for the book. http://www.cemeterydance.com/page/CDP/PROD/o_king82

[Ben Mears]

I don't want to start any false rumors but I saw the exchange below on the SK messageboard (courtesy of Lilja) the other day. While nothing definitive, the Moderator's zippermouthed emoticon certainly hints at the possibilty of something happening. I checked with Jerad at Centipede and he indicated that he has heard nothing. That would likely leave CD. No offense to CD but having seen (via pictures only) what The Shining Centipede limited was going to look like anything else would be a letdown. What do members here think about a respectful petition to SK requesting that if a Shining limited is done that it be Centipede's version? Not sure how we would go about it but thought I would see how folks here feel about the idea.

http://www.thedarktower.org/gallery/data/500/medium/couldthisbeahint.jpg

[frik]

Oh, this is definitely going to happen!

sk

[Merlin1958]

Very interesting!!!

[jhanic]

The Shining definitely deserves a first-class signed limited edition, especially with the "missing" materials included.

John

[Merlin1958]

I don't want to start any false rumors but I saw the exchange below on the SK messageboard (courtesy of Lilja) the other day. While nothing definitive, the Moderator's zippermouthed emoticon certainly hints at the possibilty of something happening. I checked with Jerad at Centipede and he indicated that he has heard nothing. That would likely leave CD. No offense to CD but having seen (via pictures only) what The Shining Centipede limited was going to look like anything else would be a letdown. What do members here think about a respectful petition to SK requesting that if a Shining limited is done that it be Centipede's version? Not sure how we would go about it but thought I would see how folks here feel about the idea.

http://www.thedarktower.org/gallery/data/500/medium/couldthisbeahint.jpg

Can you post the Pics to which you are referring?

[shaq]

I rang waterstones and they have nothing on their system!!!

Lol!!

I really hope one comes out, totally love my salems lot from centipede and it from cd, happy on either of those making this.

[Ben Mears]

Can you post the Pics to which you are referring?

Below are a few. It would be an incredible book; on par with the 'Salem's Lot limited.

http://www.thedarktower.org/gallery/data/500/medium/The_Shining_Prospectus.jpg
http://www.thedarktower.org/gallery/data/500/medium/The_Shining_Prospectus_2.jpg
http://www.thedarktower.org/gallery/data/500/medium/The_Shining_Prospectus_3.jpg

[mikeC]

I hope Jared gets to finally do this since it seemed like his dream project.

[becca69]

And maybe a Centipede Carrie to go with this and 'Salem's :wink:

[swintek]

I'd definitely sign that petition, Ben, but I would need to hear from Jerad first, to see what he feels about it. He sustained some bruised feelings (rightly so) over his proposed SHINING all those years ago, and he may not be into it any longer. Or, feel comfortable with people lobbying King on his behalf- know what I mean?

But, yeah, I agree with you- anything other than his vision for a possible limited SHINING would be disappointing, I'm sure.

Ron

[Randall Flagg]

I don't want to start any false rumors but I saw the exchange below on the SK messageboard (courtesy of Lilja) the other day. While nothing definitive, the Moderator's zippermouthed emoticon certainly hints at the possibilty of something happening. I checked with Jerad at Centipede and he indicated that he has heard nothing. That would likely leave CD. No offense to CD but having seen (via pictures only) what The Shining Centipede limited was going to look like anything else would be a letdown. What do members here think about a respectful petition to SK requesting that if a Shining limited is done that it be Centipede's version? Not sure how we would go about it but thought I would see how folks here feel about the idea.

http://www.thedarktower.org/gallery/data/500/medium/couldthisbeahint.jpg
I think that while a respectful petition might make the signers happy, it will have zero influence on King's decision to do a S/L of The Shining with another publisher. King likely would never see the petition-unless of course it went viral and 100,000 people signed it. I doubt the actual response would be 1,000 people.

[Ben Mears]

I'd definitely sign that petition, Ben, but I would need to hear from Jerad first, to see what he feels about it. He sustained some bruised feelings (rightly so) over his proposed SHINING all those years ago, and he may not be into it any longer. Or, feel comfortable with people lobbying King on his behalf- know what I mean?

But, yeah, I agree with you- anything other than his vision for a possible limited SHINING would be disappointing, I'm sure.

Ron

Ron,

I agree. I was reluctant to contact Jerad because of how things went down. That said, he has no objection if it is something we decide to pursue.

[Ben Mears]

I don't want to start any false rumors but I saw the exchange below on the SK messageboard (courtesy of Lilja) the other day. While nothing definitive, the Moderator's zippermouthed emoticon certainly hints at the possibilty of something happening. I checked with Jerad at Centipede and he indicated that he has heard nothing. That would likely leave CD. No offense to CD but having seen (via pictures only) what The Shining Centipede limited was going to look like anything else would be a letdown. What do members here think about a respectful petition to SK requesting that if a Shining limited is done that it be Centipede's version? Not sure how we would go about it but thought I would see how folks here feel about the idea.

http://www.thedarktower.org/gallery/data/500/medium/couldthisbeahint.jpg
I think that while a respectful petition might make the signers happy, it will have zero influence on King's decision to do a S/L of The Shining with another publisher. King likely would never see the petition-unless of course it went viral and 100,000 people signed it. I doubt the actual response would be 1,000 people.

I'm not suggesting this as a feel good exercise. If this is something the group feels strongly about we can easily get it to Marsha DeFelippo and Arthur Greene via email or snail mail. My concern is that if there really is a plan to publish a Shining limited this year it might be too late for Centipede to pull it off. My guess is if there is going to be a 35th anniversary limited it is already in production with CD.

[becca69]

The most horrible thing that could happen is for Scribner to produce it. Ugh!

[Rahfa]

Could be Grant, you never know...

I know people are still raw about the TWTTK issues, but I'd still like to see them do a non-DT limited....(the fact that I'd have a guaranteed copy has nothing to do with this, nope, not a bit...)

[carlosdetweiller]

Yes. Grant did a good job with DESPERATION and an absolutely fantastic job with THE TALISMAN.

[Randall Flagg]

I don't want to start any false rumors but I saw the exchange below on the SK messageboard (courtesy of Lilja) the other day. While nothing definitive, the Moderator's zippermouthed emoticon certainly hints at the possibilty of something happening. I checked with Jerad at Centipede and he indicated that he has heard nothing. That would likely leave CD. No offense to CD but having seen (via pictures only) what The Shining Centipede limited was going to look like anything else would be a letdown. What do members here think about a respectful petition to SK requesting that if a Shining limited is done that it be Centipede's version? Not sure how we would go about it but thought I would see how folks here feel about the idea.

http://www.thedarktower.org/gallery/data/500/medium/couldthisbeahint.jpg
I think that while a respectful petition might make the signers happy, it will have zero influence on King's decision to do a S/L of The Shining with another publisher. King likely would never see the petition-unless of course it went viral and 100,000 people signed it. I doubt the actual response would be 1,000 people.

I'm not suggesting this as a feel good exercise. If this is something the group feels strongly about we can easily get it to Marsha DeFelippo and Arthur Greene via email or snail mail. My concern is that if there really is a plan to publish a Shining limited this year it might be too late for Centipede to pull it off. My guess is if there is going to be a 35th anniversary limited it is already in production with CD.
Feel free to start a petition. I will sign it. If we can help in any way we will. I just think it's wise to keep expectations low. After all, our fundraiser gave $11,310 to the foundation that King himself founded, and King probably doesn't even know. His assistant(s) know, but literally, even if the petition went viral, unless King is made aware of it (by his staff), he wouldn't know, and still it's his decision; which if a publisher has already been decided upon will not be reversed.
Not Jerad's fault, but King had an adverse reaction to dealing with Centipede.

[jhanic]

I'll sign it also. I agree that it probably won't make much difference, but if we don't even try...

John

[Merlin1958]

What the heck, I'll sign as well. Like John says ya gotta at least try.

[Mr. Rabbit Trick]

Don't count on Marsha's help with any signed/limited. She has stated on many occassions that she would prefer there were none.

[Randall Flagg]

Don't count on Marsha's help with any signed/limited. She has stated on many occasions that she would prefer there were none.
Thus, unless it was a viral situation, King himself would never know.

[Shannon]

I find it very surprising that King hasn't posted here at least once. I mean ... wouldn't you? Not hang out all the time or anything, but ... why wouldn't he? The internet is free.

[jhanic]

He doesn't even post (at least as far as we know) on his own message board. Why would he post here?

John

[Merlin1958]

I find it very surprising that King hasn't posted here at least once. I mean ... wouldn't you? Not hang out all the time or anything, but ... why wouldn't he? The internet is free.

Well, he has a life and a bazillion dollars!!!!! Plus he's still writing and playing a really so-so Guitar together with a terrible vocal!!!! LOL LOL Plus, he's a "Grand-Pa" and I am learning that the role has multiple responsibilities!!!! LOL

[Tony]

I don't mean to dredge up any ill feelings, so if I am just ignore. But does anyone know exactly why King didn't like CP's Salem's Lot?

[Patrick]

Tony, I think it is discussed in another thread about dream-limited editions. I'll check it and bump it.

EDIT: Nope, it's not in that thread. Must be elsewhere, or I imagined it.

[Brice]

I find it very surprising that King hasn't posted here at least once. I mean ... wouldn't you? Not hang out all the time or anything, but ... why wouldn't he? The internet is free.

Well, we don't know for certain he doesn't/hasn't (unless Jerome, Hannah, and Patrick do). I think if he were a member though he'd be more likely to lurk and as John said he doesn't post on his own board even. I don't think he wants that sort of interaction with his fans really.

Really we banned him. :P

[Patrick]

I find it very surprising that King hasn't posted here at least once. I mean ... wouldn't you? Not hang out all the time or anything, but ... why wouldn't he? The internet is free.

Well, we don't know for certain he doesn't/hasn't (unless Jerome, Hannah, and Patrick do). I think if he were a member though he'd be more likely to lurk and as John said he doesn't post on his own board even. I don't think he wants that sort of interaction with his fans really.

I like to think he's hanging out at home on his couch fondly remembering those two cool dudes he met outside the men's room on Friday night.

[Brice]

I'm sure he's thinking of how he'd give everything up just to hang out with them again. :cool:

[Patrick]

I know I am! And it's not often I say that about guys I meet outside the men's room.

[stkmw02]

If King lurks on here, he's probably at home thinking... "Where were all the melon thread girls at that concert?"

[Patrick]

That's probably more realistic than my idea. Drat. :(

[Ben Mears]

I find it very surprising that King hasn't posted here at least once. I mean ... wouldn't you? Not hang out all the time or anything, but ... why wouldn't he? The internet is free.

We can't know for sure but I would guess that SK neither reads nor posts at his website let alone here. It is a potentially dicey situation for any artist (writer, painter, musician, etc) to get caught up with the pitfalls associated with messageboards. That said Dan Simmons is actively involved on his messageboard, commenting on multiple subjects along with participating in writing discussions. Lots of interesting and lively conversation over there.

[mistercrowley]

Yeah but that's not a good thing for Simmons as he has horrible reputation as a bully and belligerent jerk. I've had no interactions with him but that is what I have heard from others.

[Ben Mears]

I don't mean to dredge up any ill feelings, so if I am just ignore. But does anyone know exactly why King didn't like CP's Salem's Lot?

The cliff note version is that SK was initially effusive in his praise for the 'Salem's Lot limited but later made some stinging comments about both book and publisher. Unfortunate because CP's limited of The Shining would have been every bit as nice as SL. The irony is that Jared based his vision and design of 'Salem's Lot on the Philtrum Press version of Eyes Of The Dragon which is King's own publishing company.

[carlosdetweiller]

Back in the days of usenet there was alt.books.stephen-king along with a host of other threads. This would have been in the late 1990's. Peter Straub used to follow the Stephen King thread and post frequently. It was pretty cool. Of course he also followed alt.books.peter-straub but, sadly, hardly anyone ever posted on it.

[Bev Vincent]

Steve posted on alt.books.stephen-king once (via his publisher), too, in response to the furor over the Wizard & Glass promo booklet given out with Desperation and The Regulators.

[carbinworld]

What was the furor all about? I don't seem to recall it. I wonder if I have that promo?

[Brice]

Wasn't there another post there by King prior to that Bev?

[Bev Vincent]

What was the furor all about? I don't seem to recall it. I wonder if I have that promo?

The books came with a booklight at first. When they ran out, they started giving out the DT4 promo booklet. People who already had both books (and the nightlight) were displeased that they couldn't get the promo booklet without buying more books.

You can read it here (http://www.yoda.arachsys.com/sk/absk/faq.html#q5)

[mistercrowley]

What exactly did he say about Jerad? And why?

[Brice]

What was the furor all about? I don't seem to recall it. I wonder if I have that promo?

People whining about not getting the promo booklet.

From pengking@aol.com Fri Nov 22 00:04:57 GMT 1996
Article: 60020 of alt.books.stephen-king
From: pengking@aol.com
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Subject: Gentle Readers (fr. Steve re: DK IV excerpt)
Date: 21 Nov 1996 18:02:01 GMT
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I work at Penguin USA (Viking) and Stephen King has asked me to post the following note to you all. Please feel free to copy and disseminate this. For those of you who are wondering, this is only the second time there has ever been a message from Steve in this newsgroup. The first time was when he was on his motorcycle tour cross country for Insomnia (two years ago) when he posted from a bookstore at Cornell U. Please don't flood us with responses to this letter. Steve will not be reading them. Any responses to this aol email address will just be going to the publisher.
<< November 21, 1996
Gentle Readers:
It's reached my attention that there's been a fair degree of pissing and moaning about the Wizard and Glass booklet which comes with a dual purchase of Desperation and The Regulators. I swear to God, some of you guys could die and go to heaven and then complain that you had booked a double occupancy room, and where the hell is the sauna, anyway? The major complaints seem to be coming from people who have already bought both books. Those of you who bought the double-pack got the light, right? A freebie. So whatcha cryin' about?
The booklet was my idea, not the publisher's--a little extra for people who wanted to buy both books after supplies of the famous "Keep You Up All Night" light ran out. If you expect to get the booklet IN ADDITION to the light, all I can say is sorry, Cholly, but there may not be enough booklets to go around. If you bought the two books separately, because there weren't any gift packs left (they sold faster than expected, which is how this booklet deal came up in the first place), go back to where you bought them, tell the dealer what happened, show him/her your proof of (separate) purchase, and they'll take care of you. If they get wise witcha, tell 'em Steve King said that was the deal.
If you're just jacked because you want to read the first two chapters of Wizard and Glass, wait until the whole thing comes out. Or put it on your T.S. List and give it to the chaplain. In any case, those of you who are yelling and stamping your feet, please stop. If you're old enough to read, you're old enough to behave. STEVE KING >>


Edit: Bev beat me to it, but there it is.

[Bev Vincent]

Wasn't there another post there by King prior to that Bev?

Yes, he posted while on his Insomnia tour. I have a photograph somewhere taken while he was sitting at the Cornell bookstore computer making the post. You can read it here (http://www.yoda.arachsys.com/sk/absk/faq.html#q5)

[Brice]

I actually found it while looking for the other for cabinworld, but thank you Bev. :)

[becca69]

Hmmm. I didn't get a promo booklet, I only got the book light.

[carbinworld]

Thanks guys, I got the booklight, don't remember being a PITA about a brochure though (I wouldn't rule it out.)

[Rahfa]

I wonder if he even wrote that? It sounds more like a parody of SK than SK himself (edit - just re-read Bev's post that confirms it was him, so never mind....).

I feel like Jerad was in the line of fire without being a true target...but he ended up taking the hit and it was certainly not fair. His "Shining" would set the standard...a shame it won't happen.

And it's not even SK who really makes this decision...I'm sure he COULD if he cared, but I bet it's the publishers dealing with each other and SK gets an approval to sign off on after the deal's been made. I sort of remember some inside baseball stuff where that was sort of the structure.

Speaking of SK posting, what was the scandal where someone briefly impersonated SK on either TDT.com or .net? Anyone remember that? (it's offtopic for this thread though)

[Brice]

I got both. It pays (a little) to know everyone who works at the local bookstore. :)

[Brice]

I wonder if he even wrote that? It sounds more like a parody of SK than SK himself (edit - just re-read Bev's post that confirms it was him, so never mind....).

I feel like Jerad was in the line of fire without being a true target...but he ended up taking the hit and it was certainly not fair. His "Shining" would set the standard...a shame it won't happen.

And it's not even SK who really makes this decision...I'm sure he COULD if he cared, but I bet it's the publishers dealing with each other and SK gets an approval to sign off on after the deal's been made. I sort of remember some inside baseball stuff where that was sort of the structure.

Speaking of SK posting, what was the scandal where someone briefly impersonated SK on either TDT.com or .net? Anyone remember that? (it's offtopic for this thread though)

Well, we had one on .com that went so far as to impersonate SK to the staff.

[jhanic]

Here's what he said (I hate that background on the site--it's very hard to read):


<< November 21, 1996

Gentle Readers:
It's reached my attention that there's been a fair degree of pissing and moaning about the Wizard and Glass booklet which comes with a dual purchase of Desperation and The Regulators. I swear to God, some of you guys could die and go to heaven and then complain that you had booked a double occupancy room, and where the hell is the sauna, anyway? The major complaints seem to be coming from people who have already bought both books. Those of you who bought the double-pack got the light, right? A freebie. So whatcha cryin' about?
The booklet was my idea, not the publisher's--a little extra for people who wanted to buy both books after supplies of the famous "Keep You Up All Night" light ran out. If you expect to get the booklet IN ADDITION to the light, all I can say is sorry, Cholly, but there may not be enough booklets to go around. If you bought the two books separately, because there weren't any gift packs left (they sold faster than expected, which is how this booklet deal came up in the first place), go back to where you bought them, tell the dealer what happened, show him/her your proof of (separate) purchase, and they'll take care of you. If they get wise witcha, tell 'em Steve King said that was the deal.
If you're just jacked because you want to read the first two chapters of Wizard and Glass, wait until the whole thing comes out. Or put it on your T.S. List and give it to the chaplain. In any case, those of you who are yelling and stamping your feet, please stop. If you're old enough to read, you're old enough to behave. STEVE KING >>

<Edit> Sorry--I didn't read the next page of posts when I posted the above.

John

[Rahfa]

Speaking of SK posting, what was the scandal where someone briefly impersonated SK on either TDT.com or .net? Anyone remember that? (it's offtopic for this thread though)

Well, we had one on .com that went so far as to impersonate SK to the staff.

Yeah, that's what I was thinking of.

[Ari_Racing]

King's comments about Jerad:


I mean…the worst one in a way and I don’t…this guy is gonna read this and be so bummed. This guy Jared Walters did Salem’s Lot in a limited. He basically fucking wore me down because he would come back every six months or so and say, “Please, please, please, please” and I’m very vulnerable to that if people, I mean, if he’d come to me and said that he wanted to do a Dollar Baby I would say, “Yes” immediately but this guy wants to do this big huge book with this, I don’t know, incredible binding done in some endangered species or something and finally the books come out and people like Frank Darabont and other collectors just loved that book and he wants to do The Shining next and so far I’ve just told him, “No”. Because it’d be another book like Salem’s Lot. It’ll weigh twenty pounds, and people will put it on their shelf and look at it and they won’t actually read it.

Lilja: But I have read that book and it was interesting to get a chance to read the parts that wasn’t in the first edition.

Stephen King: Yeah, I know that but on the other hand if someone had suggested to me, “Why don’t you put that up on the net, the stuff that wasn’t in the first edition?” I would have done that. And then people could have gotten it for free.

It would be the same words. It just wouldn’t be in that fancy thing. It’s like… I don’t know how to say this. It’s like if you see some woman and you’re really hot for her, you know. I mean you got to say to yourself is it the woman I’m hot for or is it just because she’s wearing a certain expensive dress? I don’t know…

[Randall Flagg]

There were even more unkind words. I'll have to look around, but King made some comment about the book being made from the foreskin of a rare dodo bird-something like that. Don't quote me-I'll find it.

[Tony]

Oh dear. I found the link for that interview here: http://www.liljas-library.com/showinterview.php?id=36

He also said:


They are releasing Secretary of Dreams now and Frank Darabont is really high on the idea of doing a limited edition of The Mist. I don’t like them, I don’t like them. I think they are books for rich people and they’re elitist and the whole idea of limiteds… there’s something wrong with it, you know. The idea that people want a book that they can kind of drool over or masturbate on, I don’t know what it is they want with these things but it’s like they get this book and it’s this beautiful thing and they go like, “Don’t touch it, don’t… oh God it’s worth a thousand dollars, he signed it”

[Brice]

Umm.. I knew about all these comments, but doesn't SK collect books too. I mean not the big fancy s/ls, but does he really not understand that it is the love of the books not some fancy edition for collectors to masturbate to (well, maybe once in a while :P not on though...to; bodily fluids don't clean off those irreplaceable extinct animal skins too easily. I mean god, if you haven't tried, I'm telling you it takes HOURS of hard work.) that drives the obsession? Personally I won't own a book I won't read. I know some do and that's cool and all, but I just don't have room for something I can't take down and enjoy. To me having a nice looking edition is no different than people wanting a car (or anything else) that looks nice as opposed to just being functional.

[ELazansky]

If he is so against S/L's, why does he keep signing limitation pages? I'm sure he doesn't need the money.

[Brice]

Just a guess: he likes that it helps some of the small presses that have helped him and other authors over the years.

[jhanic]

Back in two issues of the Castle Rock Newsletter (June 1985 and July 1985) King wrote "The Politics of Limited Editions". I don't remember much about it (it's been too long since I read it) but I do remember that he said he doesn't really like to do them. Of course, his actions both before this and after don't reflect this.

I don't think this non-fiction piece has been reprinted.

John

[Ben Mears]

King's comments about Jerad:

[QUOTE]
Lilja: But I have read that book and it was interesting to get a chance to read the parts that wasn’t in the first edition.

Stephen King: Yeah, I know that but on the other hand if someone had suggested to me, “Why don’t you put that up on the net, the stuff that wasn’t in the first edition?” I would have done that. And then people could have gotten it for free.


Sounds like a great idea Mr. King. I look forward to reading all of your first draft manuscripts as well as your unpublished manuscripts online for free.

[Rahfa]

I think his biggest complaint is about the fans who buy the books, and Jerad just was the name to go along with it...which answerrs the question about why he probably won't post here...haha...

[ELazansky]

Just a guess: he likes that it helps some of the small presses that have helped him and other authors over the years.

True, but he also signs for Scribner and Hodder as well. He could skip them if he was just looking to help the small presses.

[Brice]

He may be contractually obligated to some.

[agrabin]

Umm.. I knew about all these comments, but doesn't SK collect books too. I mean not the big fancy s/ls, but does he really not understand that it is the love of the books not some fancy edition for collectors to masturbate to (well, maybe once in a while not on though...to; bodily fluids don't clean off those irreplaceable extinct animal skins too easily. I mean god, if you haven't tried, I'm telling you it takes HOURS of hard work.) that drives the obsession? Personally I won't own a book I won't read. I know some do and that's cool and all, but I just don't have room for something I can't take down and enjoy. To me having a nice looking edition is no different than people wanting a car (or anything else) that looks nice as opposed to just being functional.


Try changing hands...:smile:

[Brice]

LOL

[Tony]

Umm.. I knew about all these comments, but doesn't SK collect books too. I mean not the big fancy s/ls, but does he really not understand that it is the love of the books not some fancy edition for collectors to masturbate to (well, maybe once in a while not on though...to; bodily fluids don't clean off those irreplaceable extinct animal skins too easily. I mean god, if you haven't tried, I'm telling you it takes HOURS of hard work.) that drives the obsession? Personally I won't own a book I won't read. I know some do and that's cool and all, but I just don't have room for something I can't take down and enjoy. To me having a nice looking edition is no different than people wanting a car (or anything else) that looks nice as opposed to just being functional.


Try changing hands...:smile:

I see what you did there LOL

[mattgreenbean]

The Gunslinger was released as a limited press I believe.

[Merlin1958]

The Gunslinger was released as a limited press I believe.

I believe you are correct, Matt!! At least as far as my feeble brain can remember!!! LOL

[Ari_Racing]

Considering the suspicious silence of Cemetery Dance about any new King book or related in 2012, I BET they'll be making the S/L.

[Mr. Rabbit Trick]

So there IS a S/L.

...Ari said so, and he is willing to put money on it. :)

[mae]

Wasn't there another post there by King prior to that Bev?

Yes, he posted while on his Insomnia tour. I have a photograph somewhere taken while he was sitting at the Cornell bookstore computer making the post. You can read it here (http://www.yoda.arachsys.com/sk/absk/faq.html#q5)

Speaking of Usenet, Terry Pratchett was (maybe still is) extremely prolific on various newsgroups. I wonder if his posts will ever be collected and published. That would certainly be a unique and interesting book.

[killbourne]

IMO...I prefer CD to do the limited if its going to be done. I think it would be more affordable.

[herbertwest]

Wasn't there another post there by King prior to that Bev?

Yes, he posted while on his Insomnia tour. I have a photograph somewhere taken while he was sitting at the Cornell bookstore computer making the post. You can read it here (http://www.yoda.arachsys.com/sk/absk/faq.html#q5)

Speaking of Usenet, Terry Pratchett was (maybe still is) extremely prolific on various newsgroups. I wonder if his posts will ever be collected and published. That would certainly be a unique and interesting book.

Off topic : i recently saw his documentary "choosing to die"... it makes one think...

[Patrick]

Here's what he said (I hate that background on the site--it's very hard to read):


<< November 21, 1996

Gentle Readers:
It's reached my attention that there's been a fair degree of pissing and moaning about the Wizard and Glass booklet which comes with a dual purchase of Desperation and The Regulators. I swear to God, some of you guys could die and go to heaven and then complain that you had booked a double occupancy room, and where the hell is the sauna, anyway? The major complaints seem to be coming from people who have already bought both books. Those of you who bought the double-pack got the light, right? A freebie. So whatcha cryin' about?
The booklet was my idea, not the publisher's--a little extra for people who wanted to buy both books after supplies of the famous "Keep You Up All Night" light ran out. If you expect to get the booklet IN ADDITION to the light, all I can say is sorry, Cholly, but there may not be enough booklets to go around. If you bought the two books separately, because there weren't any gift packs left (they sold faster than expected, which is how this booklet deal came up in the first place), go back to where you bought them, tell the dealer what happened, show him/her your proof of (separate) purchase, and they'll take care of you. If they get wise witcha, tell 'em Steve King said that was the deal.
If you're just jacked because you want to read the first two chapters of Wizard and Glass, wait until the whole thing comes out. Or put it on your T.S. List and give it to the chaplain. In any case, those of you who are yelling and stamping your feet, please stop. If you're old enough to read, you're old enough to behave. STEVE KING >>

<Edit> Sorry--I didn't read the next page of posts when I posted the above.

John

"If you're old enough to read, you're old enough to behave."

Love it.

I will definitely be using that quote on my kids.

[Randall Flagg]

Here's what he said (I hate that background on the site--it's very hard to read):


<< November 21, 1996

Gentle Readers:
It's reached my attention that there's been a fair degree of pissing and moaning about the Wizard and Glass booklet which comes with a dual purchase of Desperation and The Regulators. I swear to God, some of you guys could die and go to heaven and then complain that you had booked a double occupancy room, and where the hell is the sauna, anyway? The major complaints seem to be coming from people who have already bought both books. Those of you who bought the double-pack got the light, right? A freebie. So whatcha cryin' about?
The booklet was my idea, not the publisher's--a little extra for people who wanted to buy both books after supplies of the famous "Keep You Up All Night" light ran out. If you expect to get the booklet IN ADDITION to the light, all I can say is sorry, Cholly, but there may not be enough booklets to go around. If you bought the two books separately, because there weren't any gift packs left (they sold faster than expected, which is how this booklet deal came up in the first place), go back to where you bought them, tell the dealer what happened, show him/her your proof of (separate) purchase, and they'll take care of you. If they get wise witcha, tell 'em Steve King said that was the deal.
If you're just jacked because you want to read the first two chapters of Wizard and Glass, wait until the whole thing comes out. Or put it on your T.S. List and give it to the chaplain. In any case, those of you who are yelling and stamping your feet, please stop. If you're old enough to read, you're old enough to behave. STEVE KING >>

<Edit> Sorry--I didn't read the next page of posts when I posted the above.

John

"If you're old enough to read, you're old enough to behave."

Love it.

I will definitely be using that quote on my kids.
Will they receive it via twitter, or an iPhone app? :)

[Patrick]

Here's what he said (I hate that background on the site--it's very hard to read):


<< November 21, 1996

Gentle Readers:
It's reached my attention that there's been a fair degree of pissing and moaning about the Wizard and Glass booklet which comes with a dual purchase of Desperation and The Regulators. I swear to God, some of you guys could die and go to heaven and then complain that you had booked a double occupancy room, and where the hell is the sauna, anyway? The major complaints seem to be coming from people who have already bought both books. Those of you who bought the double-pack got the light, right? A freebie. So whatcha cryin' about?
The booklet was my idea, not the publisher's--a little extra for people who wanted to buy both books after supplies of the famous "Keep You Up All Night" light ran out. If you expect to get the booklet IN ADDITION to the light, all I can say is sorry, Cholly, but there may not be enough booklets to go around. If you bought the two books separately, because there weren't any gift packs left (they sold faster than expected, which is how this booklet deal came up in the first place), go back to where you bought them, tell the dealer what happened, show him/her your proof of (separate) purchase, and they'll take care of you. If they get wise witcha, tell 'em Steve King said that was the deal.
If you're just jacked because you want to read the first two chapters of Wizard and Glass, wait until the whole thing comes out. Or put it on your T.S. List and give it to the chaplain. In any case, those of you who are yelling and stamping your feet, please stop. If you're old enough to read, you're old enough to behave. STEVE KING >>

<Edit> Sorry--I didn't read the next page of posts when I posted the above.

John

"If you're old enough to read, you're old enough to behave."

Love it.

I will definitely be using that quote on my kids.
Will they receive it via twitter, or an iPhone app? :)
Text message.

:P

[TCCBodhi]

A truer ideal I don't think I have ever heard in today's Facebook world.

I'll sic the Library Police on you!

[Brian James Freeman]

And it's not even SK who really makes this decision...I'm sure he COULD if he cared, but I bet it's the publishers dealing with each other and SK gets an approval to sign off on after the deal's been made.

Actually, in my experience, it never reaches the "publishers dealing with each other" stage until King gives his okay for the possibility of a Limited Edition of a particular title by a particular press.

Brian

[Jimimck]

Oh dear. I found the link for that interview here: http://www.liljas-library.com/showinterview.php?id=36

He also said:


They are releasing Secretary of Dreams now and Frank Darabont is really high on the idea of doing a limited edition of The Mist. I don’t like them, I don’t like them. I think they are books for rich people and they’re elitist and the whole idea of limiteds… there’s something wrong with it, you know. The idea that people want a book that they can kind of drool over or masturbate on, I don’t know what it is they want with these things but it’s like they get this book and it’s this beautiful thing and they go like, “Don’t touch it, don’t… oh God it’s worth a thousand dollars, he signed it”


I kinda wish I hadn't read that.

[Randall Flagg]

I try to avoid drooling on, or masturbating on my books. Yes that was a petty comment by King.

[Rahfa]

Petty, but then he's the one getting chased down outside bathrooms....everybody's got their hand out...

[Merlin1958]

Petty, but then he's the one getting chased down outside bathrooms....everybody's got their hand out...

Kinda comes with the money IMHO. Does it get old after awhile? sure, but go amd take that fame away and I bet it doesn't feel very good either!!! LOL

Funny how I never recall hearing ballplayers complaining about the constant autograph's? Weird. LOL

[Randall Flagg]

Ballplayers can be the worst. Barry Bonds makes King look like a prince (actually King is pretty cool considering all things).

[Merlin1958]

Ballplayers can be the worst. Barry Bonds makes King look like a prince (actually King is pretty cool considering all things).

Barry Bonds should not be signing anything!!!! Need I say more? LOL LOL LOL

[Rahfa]

Petty, but then he's the one getting chased down outside bathrooms....everybody's got their hand out...

Kinda comes with the money IMHO. Does it get old after awhile? sure, but go amd take that fame away and I bet it doesn't feel very good either!!! LOL

Funny how I never recall hearing ballplayers complaining about the constant autograph's? Weird. LOL

Eh...I've never been a believer in the "comes with the money" argument. Nobody owes anybody anything except the product the money is for - if you go to a game, you get to see them play, if you buy a book, you get to read the book....but the rest of it is really at the celebrities discretion. I've asked for an autograph outside of an official signing I think about half-dozen times, and I've never felt especially proud of myself...

The WORST was Johnny Bench.

The best were Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton, with Rudy Giiuliani up there too (except for his angry, coiled dark rage that clearly lurked below his bald, misshapen head). But - politicians are the opposite, and I think they DO owe people an autograph.

Ugh...off-topic.

I hope Grant gets this book...they can do a multi-book set with The Shining unsigned and Dr. Sleep signed.

[Merlin1958]

Petty, but then he's the one getting chased down outside bathrooms....everybody's got their hand out...

Kinda comes with the money IMHO. Does it get old after awhile? sure, but go amd take that fame away and I bet it doesn't feel very good either!!! LOL

Funny how I never recall hearing ballplayers complaining about the constant autograph's? Weird. LOL

Eh...I've never been a believer in the "comes with the money" argument. Nobody owes anybody anything except the product the money is for - if you go to a game, you get to see them play, if you buy a book, you get to read the book....but the rest of it is really at the celebrities discretion. I've asked for an autograph outside of an official signing I think about half-dozen times, and I've never felt especially proud of myself...

The WORST was Johnny Bench.

The best were Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton, with Rudy Giiuliani up there too (except for his angry, coiled dark rage that clearly lurked below his bald, misshapen head). But - politicians are the opposite, and I think they DO owe people an autograph.

Ugh...off-topic.

I hope Grant gets this book...they can do a multi-book set with The Shining unsigned and Dr. Sleep signed.

I hear ya. Two schools of thought I guess with neither one entirely wrong...

[Rahfa]

Right...I obviously like signed books, and DO think SK should do signings, etc...but I do feel for any celebrity that gets barraged outside 'official' events.

So I really think SK needs to let Jerad do the Shining limited that he proposed...obviously, it's a work of art that shows his respect for the book and the creative energy...seriously, what more does SK want? Another boring limited like Borderlands 5?

Since he doesn't seem to be going that direction, then Grant's my second choice. Bottom line, I think SK has now created a market that these publishers do depend on a little bit. How's that for vascillation? Haha...

[WeDealInLead]

If Grant does it, only the people with TWTTK would get it. Not cool.

[Merlin1958]

Right...I obviously like signed books, and DO think SK should do signings, etc...but I do feel for any celebrity that gets barraged outside 'official' events.

So I really think SK needs to let Jerad do the Shining limited that he proposed...obviously, it's a work of art that shows his respect for the book and the creative energy...seriously, what more does SK want? Another boring limited like Borderlands 5?

Since he doesn't seem to be going that direction, then Grant's my second choice. Bottom line, I think SK has now created a market that these publishers do depend on a little bit. How's that for vascillation? Haha...

No. good point. In his owm way he helps to keep the economy going, right?

[Patrick]

I agree with Rahfa's perspective about signings.


I'd like to see Jerad get the nod for THE SHINING limited edition, but if not him, then I think that DMG or CD would do a fine job. Maybe even Sub Press.

As far as whether DMG would have an allocation process that is "unfair" relative to any other publisher's process, that would remain to be seen. What's worse is the publishers who have no real plan, then completely muck up the process because they weren't prepared for the crush of the demand.

[Patrick]

I have not been able to get Tony's posted link to work. Does anyone know the date that King made those comments?

[Rahfa]

If Grant does it, only the people with TWTTK would get it. Not cool.

True to a point...but people are going to get shut out no matter what. At least Grant screws people with a deliberate plan, as opposed to internet glitches, etc....plus, Grant seems to be cheaper than CD. (and I'd be assured a copy with Grant, but I promise that has nothing to do with my position...haha...)

[Tony]

Here (http://www.liljas-library.com/showinterview.php?id=36)'s the link again, hopefully it works.

[tippy4]

If Grant does it, only the people with TWTTK would get it. Not cool.

True to a point...but people are going to get shut out no matter what. At least Grant screws people with a deliberate plan, as opposed to internet glitches, etc....plus, Grant seems to be cheaper than CD. (and I'd be assured a copy with Grant, but I promise that has nothing to do with my position...haha...)

I like that way of looking at it. Somebody's gonna get boned...at least there is no surprise.

[Jimimck]

No way peeps, this would be one s/l I'd pay what ever the hell they asked for, so I at least want the smell of a chance to buy one lol. (I don't have WTTK s/l obviously)

[Randall Flagg]

If Grant does it, the limitation is 750. That's all King would sign-sorry. Pure speculation on my part. Please don't quote me.

[Robert Fulman]

I think SK should put his pen where his mouth is and agree to sign 5000 copies, which would flush the value down the toilet.

[Patrick]

Here (http://www.liljas-library.com/showinterview.php?id=36)'s the link again, hopefully it works.

Thanks, Tony, that one works!

[Brice]

Please don't quote me.

:P

[Cook]

I own one of SubPress' lettereds - it's a very nice edition, but I can't even begin to imagine what they'll have to come up with to justify spending $2500.00! For now, it's a no-show for me.

sk

http://www.akyle.f2s.com/images/green_4.jpg

I can't believe how nice this is, wow!

[CRinVA]

I don't think Dr. Sleep has run into any problems; Publication dates are picked for a reason - one being to not collide with other "superstars" not to come out at the same time and affect the other's sales! See its all about the money for the publishing companies!

And I too am torn as to which I would buy if perchance Dr Sleep has a S/L - I am leaning towards the new book, BUT The Shining is one of my all time faves - definitely top 5 SK ever! Better buy some Lottery tickets!

Another train of (perish the) thought is to sell something else in my collection that would give me the cash needed. It would have to be a S/L Anthology I think. I just hate to get rid of anything in my collection other that a duplicate and it'd take a lot of duplicate magazines and comics to make up that amount of cash! How about an entire (almost anyways) SK audio cassette collection - you know someone wants it for posterity - cassettes? what the hell are cassettes? :-)

[Cutter]

If Grant does the book the people who have the numbers will be happy and the people who don't will not be happy. And I'm one of the ones that will not be happy. I was able to buy a LSOE with my DT VII purchase, but not The Wind Through the Keyhole because my number was too high. Once that happened, I stated I never wanted to see Grant do a King Limited again, and I still stand by that. If you want to match numbers great everyones does that, but if you want to match numbers to a system that has gone back 20 years then you got a problem. Only the older fans and booksellers have those numbers, and new fans have no chance. The Sub Press edition of The Shinning gives everyone a fair chance of procuring the book, the way Grant does it it does not give fans a fair chance. Yes people will get shut out both ways, but one way everyone has a chance.

Now I will agree that if any new Dark Tower books come out Grant should still use the system as they can't break it now, but if they did Dr. Sleep a story unrelated to the Dark Tower it would be ridiculous to match numbers. I would vehemently appose this.

[namelessnpoor]

All I know is I need to save up some money !!!

[Cutter]

I do like the Lettered Edition a lot. If I ever had that type of money I would like to buy one. I think its a beautiful book. It's odd because the Limited of the Green Mile was sooooooo bland. The Gift Edition has more style than the Limited.

[Roseannebarr]

If Grant does the book the people who have the numbers will be happy and the people who don't will not be happy. And I'm one of the ones that will not be happy. I was able to buy a LSOE with my DT VII purchase, but not The Wind Through the Keyhole because my number was too high. Once that happened, I stated I never wanted to see Grant do a King Limited again, and I still stand by that. If you want to match numbers great everyones does that, but if you want to match numbers to a system that has gone back 20 years then you got a problem. Only the older fans and booksellers have those numbers, and new fans have no chance. The Sub Press edition of The Shinning gives everyone a fair chance of procuring the book, the way Grant does it it does not give fans a fair chance. Yes people will get shut out both ways, but one way everyone has a chance.

Now I will agree that if any new Dark Tower books come out Grant should still use the system as they can't break it now, but if they did Dr. Sleep a story unrelated to the Dark Tower it would be ridiculous to match numbers. I would vehemently appose this.


I think Grant has some explaining to do! I opened my book LSOE after years of reading about those missing remarks, only to find out -- they are not missing at all. We need answers!!

[biomieg]

If Grant does the book the people who have the numbers will be happy and the people who don't will not be happy. And I'm one of the ones that will not be happy. I was able to buy a LSOE with my DT VII purchase, but not The Wind Through the Keyhole because my number was too high. Once that happened, I stated I never wanted to see Grant do a King Limited again, and I still stand by that. If you want to match numbers great everyones does that, but if you want to match numbers to a system that has gone back 20 years then you got a problem. Only the older fans and booksellers have those numbers, and new fans have no chance. The Sub Press edition of The Shinning gives everyone a fair chance of procuring the book, the way Grant does it it does not give fans a fair chance. Yes people will get shut out both ways, but one way everyone has a chance.

Now I will agree that if any new Dark Tower books come out Grant should still use the system as they can't break it now, but if they did Dr. Sleep a story unrelated to the Dark Tower it would be ridiculous to match numbers. I would vehemently appose this.

Just curious (I wasn't 'around' back then) but did Grant actually extend their number system to non-DT King books in the past (i.e. Black House, Prime Evil)?

[Brice]

The lettered GREEN MILE is beautiful but I would never pay > $2,000 for a book only because it has great production values. Whereas I would gladly pay hundreds of dollars for an obscure college-era magazine with a short story by Mr King. Weird, huh?

It's scarcity/obscurity that makes my collector's heart tick, I guess... not top-notch materials and King's signature. Although I do like some of the 'classic' S/Ls and the Philtrum Press books.

But back on topic: I guess SubPress will have to come up with an awesome limited if they want to surpass what Centipede could have done.


SP makes some really nice books, but I doubt they can do anything comparable to what would have been had CP got to do this.

[AKC]

Still looking for a Lettered Green Mile.....

Note sig......

[Merlin1958]

All I know is I need to save up some money !!!

I'm with ya on that!! Of course the other impetus is, how the hell to hide it from the wife!!! If she knew what I spend on King books she'd slit my throat in my sleep!!!!! LOL LOL

[Brian James Freeman]

All I know is I need to save up some money !!!

I'm with ya on that!! Of course the other impetus is, how the hell to hide it from the wife!!! If she knew what I spend on King books she'd slit my throat in my sleep!!!!! LOL LOL

LOL!

[Merlin1958]

All I know is I need to save up some money !!!

I'm with ya on that!! Of course the other impetus is, how the hell to hide it from the wife!!! If she knew what I spend on King books she'd slit my throat in my sleep!!!!! LOL LOL

LOL!

What are you "LOL-ing about"? You should be out there lobbying for a CD produced "Dr. Sleep" Ltd!!!! LOL LOL

Get to work!! The hurricane has passed!!! (J/K of course) LOL

[Rahfa]

If Grant does the book the people who have the numbers will be happy and the people who don't will not be happy. And I'm one of the ones that will not be happy. I was able to buy a LSOE with my DT VII purchase, but not The Wind Through the Keyhole because my number was too high. Once that happened, I stated I never wanted to see Grant do a King Limited again, and I still stand by that. If you want to match numbers great everyones does that, but if you want to match numbers to a system that has gone back 20 years then you got a problem. Only the older fans and booksellers have those numbers, and new fans have no chance. The Sub Press edition of The Shinning gives everyone a fair chance of procuring the book, the way Grant does it it does not give fans a fair chance. Yes people will get shut out both ways, but one way everyone has a chance.

Now I will agree that if any new Dark Tower books come out Grant should still use the system as they can't break it now, but if they did Dr. Sleep a story unrelated to the Dark Tower it would be ridiculous to match numbers. I would vehemently appose this.

Just curious (I wasn't 'around' back then) but did Grant actually extend their number system to non-DT King books in the past (i.e. Black House, Prime Evil)?

If you owned a s/l of Talisman, you qualified for Black House. But ownership of BH didn't guarantee anything.

I don't know about Prime Evil, but ownership of Desperation also did not guarantee anything.

[biomieg]

But it wasn't like you needed a DT book to qualify for BH?

[neosatus]

The idea of Grant getting Dr. Sleep S/L is horrific. They fucked up TWTTK so badly they should never get a King book again. I'm going to stop procrastinating and finally write up every detail of the whole thing and send it to Ms. Mod and King. Hopefully that discourages the possibility of Grant getting Dr. Sleep, and then some.

[Tito_Villa]

There didn't seem to be any sort of quality control with that book!

[CRinVA]

All I know is I need to save up some money !!!

I'm with ya on that!! Of course the other impetus is, how the hell to hide it from my better half!!! If she knew what I spend on King books she'd slit my throat in my sleep!!!!! LOL LOL

There is a lotta truth in that statement!

I pay the bills - most online - I bought the 25th Ann S/L IT and charged to the card. Got lucky and worked from home when it came. She probably has no idea and that is fine by me. One little secret. She does question why the card is so high but I explain how much we spent on our two recent trips to NYC, the son's MRI (indiv deductible hit us hard), other son's cat scan (same issue), blah blah blah.

Of course it there is a S/L Dr Sleep to marry up with the S/L Shining coming out from Sub. Press I may be in deep kimshee :-)

You can only hide so much $$$$$

:-)