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carlosdetweiller
12-02-2008, 05:14 AM
Maybe the guy is both VJ Books AND cecman2003 - just has 2 accounts.

I was surprised to see the name VJ Books associated with anything remotely underhanded. I have bought books from VJ Books many times over the years both on ABE and eBay without problems. But now it looks like someone else has taken over the name. The VJ Books I used to deal with was on the west coast (Oregon or Washington, IIRC). The only VJ Books listed on ABE right now is in the United Kingdom. I agree that the whole thing smells bad.

Ves'Ka Gan
12-02-2008, 11:17 AM
Has anybody here done business with a seller called "disneynut2"?

I only ask because some of his listings seem to be a little intentionally misleading, and when asking him a question about one of them he sent me a very snarky e-mail.

jhanic
12-02-2008, 11:25 AM
I got my copy of the 1st/1st Night Shift from him and found him to be okay.

John

gsvec
12-02-2008, 11:49 AM
Name sounds familiar, but I'll need to check my eBay history.

carlosdetweiller
12-02-2008, 11:51 AM
Has anybody here done business with a seller called "disneynut2"?

I only ask because some of his listings seem to be a little intentionally misleading, and when asking him a question about one of them he sent me a very snarky e-mail.

No, I've never done any business with him mostly for the reasons you just listed. Caveat emptor.

carlosdetweiller
12-02-2008, 11:53 AM
I got my copy of the 1st/1st Night Shift from him and found him to be okay.

John

But, John, wasn't there a problem with the book? And the seller offered you a partial refund? Or am I thinking of something else?

jhanic
12-02-2008, 12:50 PM
You're right. There was a bookplate on the front cover. I'd forgotten about that. I still got a 1st/1st Night Shift for less than $190!

John

gsvec
12-02-2008, 04:46 PM
I checked and I've not purchased anything from them. I looked at one of the current auctions, though, and remember the irritating listings. :lol: Either I bid on something or I just remember him being talked about when John had his issue. Sorry!

Room 217 Caretaker
12-03-2008, 04:35 AM
Has anybody here done business with a seller called "disneynut2"?

I only ask because some of his listings seem to be a little intentionally misleading, and when asking him a question about one of them he sent me a very snarky e-mail.

I haven't bought from this guy but have had a few emails back and forth about his misleading auctions. :onfire:

For our newbies here......don't be afraid to post your question here on thedarktower.org before buying anything King related. You won't find a more knowledgeable group anywhere in the world.

Mulleins
Cumberland VA

Hutch
12-03-2008, 04:55 AM
update: All this seller's signed Stephen King auctions have mysteriously disappeared.


The following ID history explains fire-horse-books and their forgeries.
It's the big time forger from fall 2007 Renaissance Auctions


eBay Member User ID History
The box below contains the User IDs that this member has used on eBay.
User ID Effective Date End Date
fire-horse-books Jun-01-08 Present
renaissance_auctions Mar-27-07 Jun-01-08
nikawanderer1971 Feb-24-07 Mar-27-07

Updated text from www.skfakes old list :

renaissance_auctions their alias wanderingwriter1966 and new ID in 2008 fire-horse-books noticeably started selling King forgeries in Oct. 2007. ( nearly $4,000 worth of junk in the first month and still going strong ) Mostly selling forged 1st BCE . What the heck is a 1st BCE and how do you identify it as such? Of course the seller falsely claims these were actually printed the same year as the true firsts. As for BCEs, they are stateless It's not possible to distinguish between one printed five years ago and one printed fifteen years ago. We just a little comparison we presume their signed books from other authors are also forgeries.

EXPLORER
12-03-2008, 06:21 AM
reported all of these:

http://shop.ebay.com/merchant/cecman2003

The sad part is bidders are buying them even though the seller places a disclaimer in the descriptions. Their winning bidders must really know their Stephen King signatures. :orely:

One bidder invested about $3000

They've been at it for a bit and is making pretty good $$$$ per his feedback and the end prices.

That is rediculus, some people have absolutly no shame at all.

It must take a lot of Horlicks (malt drink) to get them to sleep.

What makes it even more silly is that one of his biggest buyers is a shop called "vjbooks" with alot of feedback points, makes you wonder if they know there fakes or not.

ACTUALLY VJBOOKS WAS A SELLER TO, NOT A BUYER FROM THIS GUY.
The FEEDBACK given this questionable seller was not for items VJ bought.
The FEEDBACK PROFILE pages gives you the ability to see FEEDBACK from items BOUGHT or SOLD or ALL FEEDBACK for any Ebay ID.

I AM NOT TRYING TO DEFEND VJBOOKS HERE...HOWEVER...It appears they may have been brought into this conversation regarding this "QUESTIONABLE SELLER" without really being at fault. If one studies the feedback carefully it actually appear VJ sold Cecman2003 some non-King related items and were not duped by this seller into buying his suspect King signed books.

I have no afiliation with VJbooks.... I just spotted what looks like a potential err in someones post that may affect someones reputation.

Patrick
12-03-2008, 04:44 PM
reported all of these:

http://shop.ebay.com/merchant/cecman2003

The sad part is bidders are buying them even though the seller places a disclaimer in the descriptions. Their winning bidders must really know their Stephen King signatures. :orely:

One bidder invested about $3000

They've been at it for a bit and is making pretty good $$$$ per his feedback and the end prices.

I'm reporting each one of these auctions right now. 14 down, 7 to go.
EDIT: All 21 reported.

- - - -

For anyone who may want a reminder on how to report an auction:

While logged into eBay, scroll to the bottom of the listing.

Click the "Report This Item" button.

Then follow the three drop down menus:

Reason for Report
Counterfeits and copyright

Detailed Reason
Bootlegs and counterfeit media

Additional Information
Counterfeit autographs

Brief Description
(your comment goes here)

Randall Flagg
12-03-2008, 04:46 PM
Thanks Patrick.
To me, e-bay makes the reporting procedure very cumbersome.

Patrick
12-03-2008, 04:56 PM
I agree, but they can probably deal with huge numbers of complaints (for various auctions for various reasons) faster if the reports are pre-sorted. Once I got in the groove, reporting 21 separate auctions didn't seem to take as long as I would have expected.

The Lady of Shadows
12-03-2008, 08:09 PM
reported all of these:

http://shop.ebay.com/merchant/cecman2003

The sad part is bidders are buying them even though the seller places a disclaimer in the descriptions. Their winning bidders must really know their Stephen King signatures. :orely:

One bidder invested about $3000

They've been at it for a bit and is making pretty good $$$$ per his feedback and the end prices.

I'm reporting each one of these auctions right now. 14 down, 7 to go.
EDIT: All 21 reported.

- - - -

For anyone who may want a reminder on how to report an auction:

While logged into eBay, scroll to the bottom of the listing.

Click the "Report This Item" button.

Then follow the three drop down menus:

Reason for Report
Counterfeits and copyright

Detailed Reason
Bootlegs and counterfeit media

Additional Information
Counterfeit autographs

Brief Description
(your comment goes here)


reported them all. i hate people right now. :(

Hutch
12-03-2008, 10:26 PM
I'm glad you all followed suit.... take a look at their listings now !

Thanks Patrick.
To me, e-bay makes the reporting procedure very cumbersome.

Patrick
12-03-2008, 10:34 PM
I'm glad you all followed suit.... take a look at their listings now !

They've all been removed. Sweet!

Some poor buyers have been saved from being tricked out of their cash. :clap:

pickle
12-04-2008, 12:17 AM
Well done guys!!

As Patrick said someone has been saved some money!!

turtlex
12-04-2008, 03:42 AM
Cheers, folks!
Thanks for reporting those things.
It really is cool of you to take the time and look out for everyone.

lophophoras
12-04-2008, 03:52 AM
I am glad they were removed!

I reported them all earlier this week and was beginning to wonder if it had made a difference or not since ebay still had them listed.

That's team work!

:dance:

EXPLORER
12-04-2008, 12:17 PM
I'm glad you all followed suit.... take a look at their listings now !

Thanks Patrick.
To me, e-bay makes the reporting procedure very cumbersome.

WOW...REALLY GLAD TO SEE EBAY DOES FOLLOW-UP ON REPORTING
Good Job to all who worked that. First time I ever heard of results.

Room 217 Caretaker
12-05-2008, 03:11 PM
Creepshow Auction

Am I missing something here :wtf: ? This is supposed to be rare? What happened to First Edition being rare?

http://cgi.ebay.com/Stephen-King-Creepshow-Rare-BC-Free-Shipping-Worldwide_W0QQitemZ400015227316QQcmdZViewItemQQptZ LH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item400015227316&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=66%3A2|65%3A10|39%3A1|240%3A1318

Mulleins
Cumberland VA

lophophoras
12-05-2008, 04:36 PM
Guys, what do you think? Check out his other auctions...

http://cgi.ebay.com/STEPHEN-KING-TOMMYKNOCKERS-SIGNED_W0QQitemZ120345446781QQihZ002QQcategoryZ292 23QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

Fsmdr
12-05-2008, 04:51 PM
My opinion - fake

pickle
12-05-2008, 05:55 PM
The Sig looks not too bad to me (but im no expert), but its far too cheap at $20 to be real imho.

Room 217 Caretaker
12-05-2008, 05:57 PM
Guys, what do you think? Check out his other auctions...

http://cgi.ebay.com/STEPHEN-KING-TOMMYKNOCKERS-SIGNED_W0QQitemZ120345446781QQihZ002QQcategoryZ292 23QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

:orely: This sig sort of matches Kings signature from around 1989. I really don't like the swoop though.

Mulleins
Cumberland VA

Rahfa
12-05-2008, 06:11 PM
Sorry, not even close....the 'g' and the loop are way off, and the rest of the sig is pretty off too...

Room 217 Caretaker
12-05-2008, 06:12 PM
Sorry, not even close....the 'g' and the loop are way off, and the rest of the sig is pretty off too...

Agreed. Take a look at his other crap he's selling.

Mulleins
Cumberland VA

gsvec
12-05-2008, 06:36 PM
I reported all 6 of his auctions. Bad, bad, bad.

Room 217 Caretaker
12-05-2008, 06:48 PM
I reported all 6 of his auctions. Bad, bad, bad.

This seller in question was the winner of this auction back in October:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=270282824049

Makes you wonder if he took some of these books, put the signature in for resale?

Mulleins
Cumberland VA

Rahfa
12-05-2008, 07:01 PM
No doubt.

jhanic
12-05-2008, 07:11 PM
I don't like it either.

John

The Lady of Shadows
12-05-2008, 07:31 PM
i reported all of them. prick - i'm paying a very fair price for a signed bag of bones (thanks tippy4) and this prick is offering a fake for $20.

i hate people right now.

:arg:

Randall Flagg
12-05-2008, 07:37 PM
Guys, what do you think? Check out his other auctions...

http://cgi.ebay.com/STEPHEN-KING-TOMMYKNOCKERS-SIGNED_W0QQitemZ120345446781QQihZ002QQcategoryZ292 23QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
Terrible "S", impossible "K".
Pretty signature, but not King's.

super sam
12-06-2008, 12:03 AM
All 6 reported!

lophophoras
12-06-2008, 05:00 AM
I reported all six also.

In the auction for DT VII the bidder asks the seller - "Will you be putting other titles up for auction?". And the seller replies - " Yes, I have several. Any other questions, just ask. Thanks for bidding."

So be prepared.

Room 217 Caretaker
12-06-2008, 05:25 AM
I reported all six also.

In the auction for DT VII the bidder asks the seller - "Will you be putting other titles up for auction?". And the seller replies - " Yes, I have several. Any other questions, just ask. Thanks for bidding."

So be prepared.

Of course he will have others. Look at the auction he won in October

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=270282824049

He will have several to choose from. What one do you want signed :P

Mulleins
Cumberland VA

Room 217 Caretaker
12-06-2008, 05:30 AM
I reported all six also.

In the auction for DT VII the bidder asks the seller - "Will you be putting other titles up for auction?". And the seller replies - " Yes, I have several. Any other questions, just ask. Thanks for bidding."

So be prepared.

Of course he will have others. Look at the auction he won in October

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=270282824049

He will have several to choose from. What one do you want signed :P

Mulleins
Cumberland VA

hehehe....I just asked him, "by any chance you don't have a signed Cell or Hearts in Atlantis for sale do you"

Could be interesting if he comes back with a yes after the auction he won in October.

Mulleins
Cumberland VA

turtlex
12-06-2008, 06:11 AM
Oh, that's too funny. He's buying lots of books from eBay and then signing them himself and reselling. What a jerk.

Can't wait until he responds to you... I would love if he asks if you'd like it personalized.

Room 217 Caretaker
12-06-2008, 07:32 AM
Oh, that's too funny. He's buying lots of books from eBay and then signing them himself and reselling. What a jerk.

Can't wait until he responds to you... I would love if he asks if you'd like it personalized.

Well, it didn't take the seller long to respond:

Dear mulleins,

Yes, but am still arguing with wife to sell or not. Im sure she will win though. Will most likely post more next week.

- bbottom904

:pullhair: Pure SCUM :angry:

Mulleins
Cumberland VA

turtlex
12-06-2008, 07:37 AM
Ah. Obviously she's the one doing the fake sigs.

super sam
12-06-2008, 08:07 AM
Can't wait until he responds to you... I would love if he asks if you'd like it personalized.

:lol:

The Lady of Shadows
12-06-2008, 01:48 PM
when i reported these listings to ebay i put in the comments that i suspected the seller was taking books he had won on ebay and signing them himself. i recommended that ebay check their records. wonder if they will do that.

e_taylor
12-06-2008, 03:53 PM
Okay okay, now someone ask "You wouldn't happen to have any King books inscribed to [insert name], would you? I know its a long shot, but I always try." :orely:

gsvec
12-06-2008, 04:09 PM
:rofl:

jhanic
12-06-2008, 04:42 PM
I was tempted to do just that, but why bother?

John

pickle
12-06-2008, 04:57 PM
We could always ask if he has a signd copy of Richard Bachmans "The Regulators" as he was "dead" when that manuscript was "found" by his "wife". :shoot: :evil:

tippy4
12-06-2008, 06:33 PM
Just After Sunset Stephen king 1St Printing NEW Signed (http://cgi.ebay.com/Just-After-Sunset-Stephen-king-1St-Printing-NEW-Signed_W0QQitemZ280292103352QQcmdZViewItemQQptZAnt iquarian_Collectible?hash=item280292103352&_trksid=p3911.c0.m14&_trkparms=72%3A570%7C66%3A2%7C65%3A12%7C39%3A1%7C2 40%3A1318)

The Girl Who Loved Tom Gordon Stephen King 1 ST Signed (http://cgi.ebay.com/The-Girl-Who-Loved-Tom-Gordon-Stephen-King-1-ST-Signed_W0QQitemZ280292099036QQcmdZViewItemQQptZAnt iquarian_Collectible?hash=item280292099036&_trksid=p3911.c0.m14&_trkparms=72%3A570%7C66%3A2%7C65%3A12%7C39%3A1%7C2 40%3A1318)

Both of these auctions are from the same seller, and they both make me suspicious.

The seller clamis that JAS was signed at Odyssey Bookshop, but the ink color looks wrong to me.

I think it's a trace-job. The loop looks kind of shakey.

carlosdetweiller
12-06-2008, 06:50 PM
Just After Sunset Stephen king 1St Printing NEW Signed (http://cgi.ebay.com/Just-After-Sunset-Stephen-king-1St-Printing-NEW-Signed_W0QQitemZ280292103352QQcmdZViewItemQQptZAnt iquarian_Collectible?hash=item280292103352&_trksid=p3911.c0.m14&_trkparms=72%3A570%7C66%3A2%7C65%3A12%7C39%3A1%7C2 40%3A1318)

The Girl Who Loved Tom Gordon Stephen King 1 ST Signed (http://cgi.ebay.com/The-Girl-Who-Loved-Tom-Gordon-Stephen-King-1-ST-Signed_W0QQitemZ280292099036QQcmdZViewItemQQptZAnt iquarian_Collectible?hash=item280292099036&_trksid=p3911.c0.m14&_trkparms=72%3A570%7C66%3A2%7C65%3A12%7C39%3A1%7C2 40%3A1318)

Both of these auctions are from the same seller, and they both make me suspicious.

The seller clamis that JAS was signed at Odyssey Bookshop, but the ink color looks wrong to me.

I think it's a trace-job. The loop looks kind of shakey.

I agree. I don't think either one is legit.

Hutch
12-06-2008, 06:59 PM
they are fakes

Just After Sunset Stephen king 1St Printing NEW Signed (http://cgi.ebay.com/Just-After-Sunset-Stephen-king-1St-Printing-NEW-Signed_W0QQitemZ280292103352QQcmdZViewItemQQptZAnt iquarian_Collectible?hash=item280292103352&_trksid=p3911.c0.m14&_trkparms=72%3A570%7C66%3A2%7C65%3A12%7C39%3A1%7C2 40%3A1318)

The Girl Who Loved Tom Gordon Stephen King 1 ST Signed (http://cgi.ebay.com/The-Girl-Who-Loved-Tom-Gordon-Stephen-King-1-ST-Signed_W0QQitemZ280292099036QQcmdZViewItemQQptZAnt iquarian_Collectible?hash=item280292099036&_trksid=p3911.c0.m14&_trkparms=72%3A570%7C66%3A2%7C65%3A12%7C39%3A1%7C2 40%3A1318)

Both of these auctions are from the same seller, and they both make me suspicious.

The seller clamis that JAS was signed at Odyssey Bookshop, but the ink color looks wrong to me.

I think it's a trace-job. The loop looks kind of shakey.

Sam
12-06-2008, 07:18 PM
Just After Sunset Stephen king 1St Printing NEW Signed (http://cgi.ebay.com/Just-After-Sunset-Stephen-king-1St-Printing-NEW-Signed_W0QQitemZ280292103352QQcmdZViewItemQQptZAnt iquarian_Collectible?hash=item280292103352&_trksid=p3911.c0.m14&_trkparms=72%3A570%7C66%3A2%7C65%3A12%7C39%3A1%7C2 40%3A1318)

The Girl Who Loved Tom Gordon Stephen King 1 ST Signed (http://cgi.ebay.com/The-Girl-Who-Loved-Tom-Gordon-Stephen-King-1-ST-Signed_W0QQitemZ280292099036QQcmdZViewItemQQptZAnt iquarian_Collectible?hash=item280292099036&_trksid=p3911.c0.m14&_trkparms=72%3A570%7C66%3A2%7C65%3A12%7C39%3A1%7C2 40%3A1318)

Both of these auctions are from the same seller, and they both make me suspicious.

The seller clamis that JAS was signed at Odyssey Bookshop, but the ink color looks wrong to me.

I think it's a trace-job. The loop looks kind of shakey.

The Just After Sunset look suspect. Without some further proof, I call fowl.

The Girl Who Loved Tom Gordon though, look like it might be the real deal to me.

Room 217 Caretaker
12-06-2008, 07:27 PM
Just After Sunset Stephen king 1St Printing NEW Signed (http://cgi.ebay.com/Just-After-Sunset-Stephen-king-1St-Printing-NEW-Signed_W0QQitemZ280292103352QQcmdZViewItemQQptZAnt iquarian_Collectible?hash=item280292103352&_trksid=p3911.c0.m14&_trkparms=72%3A570%7C66%3A2%7C65%3A12%7C39%3A1%7C2 40%3A1318)

The Girl Who Loved Tom Gordon Stephen King 1 ST Signed (http://cgi.ebay.com/The-Girl-Who-Loved-Tom-Gordon-Stephen-King-1-ST-Signed_W0QQitemZ280292099036QQcmdZViewItemQQptZAnt iquarian_Collectible?hash=item280292099036&_trksid=p3911.c0.m14&_trkparms=72%3A570%7C66%3A2%7C65%3A12%7C39%3A1%7C2 40%3A1318)

Both of these auctions are from the same seller, and they both make me suspicious.

The seller clamis that JAS was signed at Odyssey Bookshop, but the ink color looks wrong to me.

I think it's a trace-job. The loop looks kind of shakey.

The Just After Sunset look suspect. Without some further proof, I call fowl.

The Girl Who Loved Tom Gordon though, look like it might be the real deal to me.

JAS is fake NO DOUBT

TGWLTG is fake for a few reasons. Just one of the reasons, look closely at the loop and compare it to a legit King signatures. His loop is never shaky.

Mulleins
Cumberland VA

tippy4
12-06-2008, 08:19 PM
The Just After Sunset look suspect. Without some further proof, I call fowl.

The Girl Who Loved Tom Gordon though, look like it might be the real deal to me.


I don't agree, but the mere fact that you think one is a fake should keep you away from the other.

Sam
12-07-2008, 08:01 AM
I agree that I would not buy from the seller, and further investigation of the other items sold previously only reinforced that.

jhanic
12-07-2008, 11:39 AM
Agreed.

John

The Funslinger
12-09-2008, 07:49 PM
Hi,

I'm pretty new to the site and was wondering if anyone might be able to lend some expertise.

Something's come up regarding an item I recently won. It's a S/L Deluxe 'Waste Lands', but I think the dust jacket is from the Trade Edition.

Does anyone know if the dust jackets were different between the two editions? Is there someplace I could see a photo of a S/L deluxe Waste Lands jacket? Thanks.

gsvec
12-09-2008, 08:03 PM
Welcome to the site, Funslinger! We have Catalogues of SK's works that can be found here (http://www.thedarktower.org/palaver/showthread.php?t=974) that include pictures of almost all his books. The covers of the Waste Lands editions are similar - if not the same - as you'll see in the catalogues. Have fun wandering around - there's a wealth of information on collecting here on TDT.com and we have extremely knowledgeable collectors who are always willing to give advice!

e_taylor
12-09-2008, 08:09 PM
Hi,

I'm pretty new to the site and was wondering if anyone might be able to lend some expertise.

Something's come up regarding an item I recently won. It's a S/L Deluxe 'Waste Lands', but I think the dust jacket is from the Trade Edition.

Does anyone know if the dust jackets were different between the two editions? Is there someplace I could see a photo of a S/L deluxe Waste Lands jacket? Thanks.

Its the same dust jacket for both the limited and the trade. As long as its the blue Grant jacket with price of $40 you're good.

I remember thinking the same thing when I got my copy of the S/L!

The Funslinger
12-09-2008, 08:29 PM
Thanks. And you're sure you're not the guy who sold it to me?

As a follow-up, does anyone know why that would appear to be the only book that doesn't distinguish between the dust jackets?

e_taylor
12-09-2008, 08:34 PM
Thanks. And you're sure you're not the guy who sold it to me?

As a follow-up, does anyone know why that would appear to be the only book that doesn't distinguish between the dust jackets?

Nope - don't think it was me. I've only ever owned two copies, the one I currently own and one that is in Mr. Rabbit Trick's Library.

The Gunslinger, Drawing of the Three and Waste Lands all have the same jacket for limited and trade. Wizard and Glass, Wolves of the Calla and the Dark Tower, being two volumes made it possible to have different jackets... and Song of Susannah? You'd have to ask someone other than me! :P

gsvec
12-09-2008, 08:36 PM
DTI - DTIV had the same covers for the trades and S/L, I believe. They didn't start doing them differently until DTV.

gsvec
12-09-2008, 08:38 PM
Good point, Eric - I'd forgotten about "Volume One" and "Volume Two" on the cover of DT IV. The artwork's the same, though.

Trade DTIV
http://www.thedarktower.org/gallery/data/510/medium/W_G_trade_face.jpg

S/L DTIV
http://www.thedarktower.org/gallery/data/510/medium/W_G_SL_1_dj_face.jpg

The Funslinger
12-09-2008, 09:02 PM
I checked my S/L III again, something else strange --

Inside the front cover, it says "Trade Edition $38.00"

On the outside of the back cover, it also says "Trade Edition $38.00"

However, on the inside of the back cover flap, it says "Trade Edition $30".

Is that common?

Also, some of the other S/L's have two ISBN #s inside the dust jackets, but III does not?

e_taylor
12-10-2008, 07:26 AM
I checked my S/L III again, something else strange --

Inside the front cover, it says "Trade Edition $38.00"

On the outside of the back cover, it also says "Trade Edition $38.00"

However, on the inside of the back cover flap, it says "Trade Edition $30".

Is that common?

Also, some of the other S/L's have two ISBN #s inside the dust jackets, but III does not?

My mistake from earlier, I said $40 but meant $38... I'll have to check my copy, but my guess is the $30 Trade might be an add for another book?

Randall Flagg
12-10-2008, 07:36 AM
I checked my S/L III again, something else strange --

Inside the front cover, it says "Trade Edition $38.00"

On the outside of the back cover, it also says "Trade Edition $38.00"

However, on the inside of the back cover flap, it says "Trade Edition $30".

Is that common?

Also, some of the other S/L's have two ISBN #s inside the dust jackets, but III does not?
The $30 inside the back flap is part of the advertisement for the title "Face in the Abyss".

Room 217 Caretaker
12-14-2008, 06:55 PM
:clap: Well, the piece of CRAP seller is back at it again. What a grinch. Ebay refused to do anything about him last time. After a while, it would seem to me Ebay could be held responsible.

But, I guess it's also up to the buyer to make sure all checks and balances are in place. He still sucks though.

http://cgi.ebay.com/Stephen-King-Signed-The-Shining-Hardcover_W0QQitemZ300280976310QQcmdZViewItemQQptZ Antiquarian_Collectible?hash=item300280976310&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=66%3A2|65%3A10|39%3A1|240%3A1318

Mulleins
Cumberland VA

tippy4
12-14-2008, 07:31 PM
This guy (http://shop.ebay.com/merchant/cecman2003) really is a piece of crap.

What blows my mind is that he still has 100% positive feedback.

Also, he is getting amazing money for some of these books....just look at his feedback.

$305 for Dead Zone. $306 for Night Shift. $416.11 for The Shining. $260 for Nightmares and Dreamscapes. $255 for Misery. $280 for Everything's Eventual. $305 for Eyes of the Dragon.

And what does ebay do? They make him a POWERSELLER.

And why wouldn't they?...he's making them a lot of money ripping people off. :onfire:

Sam
12-14-2008, 07:47 PM
Wow, since when did King ever sign a copy of the Illustrated Edition of Salem's Lot that was published in 2005. Long after he had stopped signing books for people except at signings and those rare moments when he goes to a book store and starts signing his books for the hell of it. (I overheard the story but was not a witness.) This one's a forgery.

http://cgi.ebay.com/Stephen-King-Signed-Salems-Lot-True-1st-1st-Hardcover_W0QQitemZ300280968505QQcmdZViewItemQQptZ Antiquarian_Collectible?hash=item300280968505&_trksid=p3911.c0.m14&_trkparms=72%3A1205%7C66%3A2%7C65%3A12%7C39%3A1%7C 240%3A1318

**All of this guy's books have been reported** I can't believe he signed some of them in red and on a fully illustrated page.

mikeyw
12-15-2008, 11:23 AM
Wow, since when did King ever sign a copy of the Illustrated Edition of Salem's Lot that was published in 2005. Long after he had stopped signing books for people except at signings and those rare moments when he goes to a book store and starts signing his books for the hell of it. (I overheard the story but was not a witness.) This one's a forgery.

http://cgi.ebay.com/Stephen-King-Signed-Salems-Lot-True-1st-1st-Hardcover_W0QQitemZ300280968505QQcmdZViewItemQQptZ Antiquarian_Collectible?hash=item300280968505&_trksid=p3911.c0.m14&_trkparms=72%3A1205%7C66%3A2%7C65%3A12%7C39%3A1%7C 240%3A1318

**All of this guy's books have been reported** I can't believe he signed some of them in red and on a fully illustrated page.

I decided to try him out and ask what the provenance was for the book and this was the reply:

"Hi There,
This was signed with a box of books that was sent to him. I believe you are correct that he doesn't accept books to be signed anymore - unfortunate, but I bet he had a lot.
I am happy to have your bid on my books, but if you are at all uncertain don't bid. I have collected for years and learned that it isn't worth it to buy a book you are not 100% confident. I know the book is authentic, but I don't have any type of certification or anything like that.

Hope that helps and thanks for your interest. "

I can think of a phrase that sums it up, and it sounds alot like 'horse shit'......

could not be more fake if it had false boobs and stick on moustache!

Hutch
12-16-2008, 07:13 PM
someone is offering their signature service at auction :

http://cgi.ebay.com/SIGNED-Stephen-King-first-edition-1st-Autograph-REAL_W0QQitemZ180314679632QQcmdZViewItemQQptZAntiq uarian_Collectible?hash=item180314679632&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=66%3A4|65%3A10|39%3A1|240%3A1318

gsvec
12-16-2008, 07:16 PM
someone is offering their signature service at auction :

http://cgi.ebay.com/SIGNED-Stephen-King-first-edition-1st-Autograph-REAL_W0QQitemZ180314679632QQcmdZViewItemQQptZAntiq uarian_Collectible?hash=item180314679632&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=66%3A4|65%3A10|39%3A1|240%3A1318
How odd! Anybody know who this supposed expert is?

ETA: And interesting that he spelled SK's first name Steven at the beginning of the auction info. I emailed the seller to ask what their qualifications were to offer this service.

jhanic
12-16-2008, 07:19 PM
Sounds like a scam to me.

John

e_taylor
12-16-2008, 07:26 PM
Never heard of them, but according to eBay they are located in the town I spent my early life in!

gsvec
12-16-2008, 08:38 PM
Very interesting. Here's the reply from the seller.


Hi, as the listing explains, after three years of research which included correspondence with Mr. King's office with regards to fake signatures, close interaction with skfakes.co.uk as well as other experts, my qualifications are simply that I can tell many a fake from an airplane. 5/5 proven fakes and 2/2 authentic after PSA/DNA testing. We would like to prove it to you and add more to our record, given the opportunity.
Happy Holidays
NM

The Lady of Shadows
12-16-2008, 08:45 PM
:unsure:

what? WHAT?

Sam
12-16-2008, 09:21 PM
What is PSA/DNA testing? Anyone know?

I mean, I can tell a bad forgery from a good sig, but I'm no handwriting expert. And I KNOW handwriting experts. They can typically tell if two signatures are made by the same person by looking at the way they are signed, but even their expertise (one of them has about 15 years experience) they can be fooled.

gsvec
12-16-2008, 09:23 PM
PSA/DNA is a company that does signature authentications - but mostly, I think, for sports related memorabilia. http://www.psadna.com

Patrick
12-17-2008, 01:13 AM
someone is offering their signature service at auction :

http://cgi.ebay.com/SIGNED-Stephen-King-first-edition-1st-Autograph-REAL_W0QQitemZ180314679632QQcmdZViewItemQQptZAntiq uarian_Collectible?hash=item180314679632&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=66%3A4|65%3A10|39%3A1|240%3A1318
How odd! Anybody know who this supposed expert is?

ETA: And interesting that he spelled SK's first name Steven at the beginning of the auction info. I emailed the seller to ask what their qualifications were to offer this service.


Very interesting. Here's the reply from the seller.


Hi, as the listing explains, after three years of research which included correspondence with Mr. King's office with regards to fake signatures, close interaction with skfakes.co.uk as well as other experts, my qualifications are simply that I can tell many a fake from an airplane. 5/5 proven fakes and 2/2 authentic after PSA/DNA testing. We would like to prove it to you and add more to our record, given the opportunity.
Happy Holidays
NM

Four bucks a pop, huh? Talk about easy money. No credentials are needed to give good advice. All the guy has to do is read this free thread right here with all its educated, experienced opinions and then respond to his customers with "his" expert opinion.

Room 217 Caretaker
12-17-2008, 03:52 AM
This sort of reminds me of the Charlie Brown episode with the "Pay for Advice Booth"

hehehe...let's have some fun. I'm going to give the guy a try. Give me a couple days and I will scan a picture of a questionable King signature with a story behind it. I'll post it here to get everyone's opinion on the signature before I contact this joker, I mean business professional.

This is almost like a live version of :clap: Let's Play Ebay BS game. :dance:

Mulleins
Cumberland VA

wizardsrainbow
12-17-2008, 04:19 AM
This sort of reminds me of the Charlie Brown episode with the "Pay for Advice Booth"

hehehe...let's have some fun. I'm going to give the guy a try. Give me a couple days and I will scan a picture of a questionable King signature with a story behind it. I'll post it here to get everyone's opinion on the signature before I contact this joker, I mean business professional.

This is almost like a live version of :clap: Let's Play Ebay BS game. :dance:

Mulleins
Cumberland VA


Oh Ralph, I'm likin' this idea of yours! :evil:

pickle
12-17-2008, 04:27 AM
Lol its amazing what you can do on ebay lol

carlosdetweiller
12-17-2008, 04:41 AM
This sort of reminds me of the Charlie Brown episode with the "Pay for Advice Booth"

hehehe...let's have some fun. I'm going to give the guy a try. Give me a couple days and I will scan a picture of a questionable King signature with a story behind it. I'll post it here to get everyone's opinion on the signature before I contact this joker, I mean business professional.

This is almost like a live version of :clap: Let's Play Ebay BS game. :dance:

Mulleins
Cumberland VA

It might be fun unless the guy reads this site. He mentions that he spent some time on Ceri's skfakes site. I think there is probably a significant crossover. Still, no harm in trying to have a little fun.

herbertwest
12-17-2008, 05:45 AM
why not submitting it first, then u have his opinion right?
then you post the picture here, and let experts telling you what they think.

then you post the answer & the true story???

Rahfa
12-17-2008, 07:39 AM
I think he's telling the truth, actually...he sees the fakes like we all do, and is annoyed enough to try and do something about it...It's not $4 is any sort of real money, and nobody's going to bid anyway. Maybe he thinks people will, I don't know. Either way, I think his intentions are in the right place.

If he really wanted to get attention, he should have started the bid unreasonably high and it would have shown up better in the search listings...

Room 217 Caretaker
12-17-2008, 03:58 PM
Rahfa,

You do have a good point. I'm not going to attack the guy. I just want to see how good he is. I have an awesome collection of scanned King signatures ranging from late 70's to now. I use these signatures to look for fakes & flaws.

The signature I'm going to send him along with the story should really test his skills.

The suggestion by member Herbertwest to send him the picture first and get a response before I post here is a great idea.

This still should be fun.

Mulleins
Cumberland VA

Rahfa
12-17-2008, 05:24 PM
Good idea...see if he's legit...haha...

Hutch
12-18-2008, 08:32 AM
at this time this seller has 11 Stephen King forgeries listed, I've reported all.

http://shop.ebay.com/merchant/allbookedup!

gsvec
12-18-2008, 09:37 AM
He also used the same BAD sig pic in multiple auctions. All reported.

Room 217 Caretaker
12-18-2008, 11:05 AM
at this time this seller has 11 Stephen King forgeries listed, I've reported all.

http://shop.ebay.com/merchant/allbookedup!

Reported as well. I would like to send him a suggestion of changing his Ebay ID from allbookedup to all#@%*%up

Mulleins
Cumberland VA

The Lady of Shadows
12-18-2008, 02:58 PM
at this time this seller has 11 Stephen King forgeries listed, I've reported all.

http://shop.ebay.com/merchant/allbookedup!

reported. with the suggestion that they look at his other "autographed" books as well.

lophophoras
12-19-2008, 04:59 AM
at this time this seller has 11 Stephen King forgeries listed, I've reported all.

http://shop.ebay.com/merchant/allbookedup!

Reported them all as well.

gsvec
12-19-2008, 01:22 PM
And unfortunately, 3 of them have bids. :(

gsvec
12-19-2008, 08:20 PM
Hey, Ralph - any update on your little 'test' with the sig expert?

Room 217 Caretaker
12-20-2008, 06:14 AM
Hey, Ralph - any update on your little 'test' with the sig expert?

He did respond to my request. I got caught up in getting ready for family and Christmas. Sending the signature and story his way today.

As soon as I hear back, I'll post the identical information here, and a day later post the REAL story behind it all.

Just having some fun. It's worth the $4

Mulleins
Cumberland VA

Room 217 Caretaker
12-22-2008, 02:30 PM
I know we've already talked about this seller:

http://cgi.ebay.com/Stephen-Kings-Bag-of-Bones-SIGNED-1st-Ed-HC-DJ_W0QQitemZ110327944850QQcmdZViewItemQQptZAntiqua rian_Collectible?hash=item110327944850&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=66%3A2|65%3A1|39%3A1|240%3A1318

allbookedup

I just want to make sure none of the bidders on his auctions are our friends on this site.

Just looking out for each other :grouphug:

Mulleins
Cumberland VA

super sam
12-22-2008, 02:51 PM
Item reported,and thanks for the info Mulleins!

Room 217 Caretaker
12-22-2008, 05:13 PM
Someone is trying to slip a :nana: to someone with this auction:

http://cgi.ebay.com/Stephen-King-Liseys-Story-First-Edition-1st-SIGNED_W0QQitemZ200291197771QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_ DefaultDomain_0?hash=item200291197771&_trksid=p3911.c0.m14&_trkparms=66%3A2|65%3A1|39%3A1|240%3A1318

hehehe...I wonder why King would pause on his g before he finished?

Sorry lady, wrong signature for two years ago.

Mulleins
Cumberland VA

pickle
12-22-2008, 05:28 PM
I just reported that item. The really low starting bid gives it away also. I mean that shoud be what £120 - £150 really? i may be wrong.

Room 217 Caretaker
12-22-2008, 05:37 PM
Someone is trying to slip a :nana: to someone with this auction:

http://cgi.ebay.com/Stephen-King-Liseys-Story-First-Edition-1st-SIGNED_W0QQitemZ200291197771QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_ DefaultDomain_0?hash=item200291197771&_trksid=p3911.c0.m14&_trkparms=66%3A2|65%3A1|39%3A1|240%3A1318

hehehe...I wonder why King would pause on his g before he finished?

Sorry lady, wrong signature for two years ago.

Mulleins
Cumberland VA


I just reported that item. The really low starting bid gives it away also. I mean that shoud be what £120 - £150 really? i may be wrong.

I have my legit signed Lisey Story in the database valued at $200 US

Mulleins
Cumberland VA

pickle
12-22-2008, 05:44 PM
So i wasnt too far off if you conver it to dollars.

Room 217 Caretaker
12-22-2008, 05:49 PM
So i wasnt too far off if you conver it to dollars.

:) Your conversion was perfect.

Cheers

Mulleins
Cumberland VA

pickle
12-22-2008, 05:59 PM
wow that wasnt bad for a guess :D lol, maybe i am starting to learn stuff lol

Patrick
12-23-2008, 01:07 AM
at this time this seller has 11 Stephen King forgeries listed, I've reported all.

http://shop.ebay.com/merchant/allbookedup!

I know we've already talked about this seller:

http://cgi.ebay.com/Stephen-Kings-Bag-of-Bones-SIGNED-1st-Ed-HC-DJ_W0QQitemZ110327944850QQcmdZViewItemQQptZAntiqua rian_Collectible?hash=item110327944850&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=66%3A2|65%3A1|39%3A1|240%3A1318

allbookedup

I just want to make sure none of the bidders on his auctions are our friends on this site.

Just looking out for each other :grouphug:

Mulleins
Cumberland VA
Reported each of the eleven Stephen King auctions.

Ves'Ka Gan
12-23-2008, 10:49 AM
I just reported that item. The really low starting bid gives it away also. I mean that shoud be what £120 - £150 really? i may be wrong.


I always hesitate and eventually walk (or navigate) away if it seems a starting bid is ridiculously low--I mean, of course I'd love to pay 20 bucks and get a great peice for my collection, but someone "parting with" their "beleoved colelction" due to hardship & need of cash would at least TRY to make some money on it, right?

Brice
12-23-2008, 10:52 AM
I just reported that item. The really low starting bid gives it away also. I mean that shoud be what £120 - £150 really? i may be wrong.


I always hesitate and eventually walk (or navigate) away if it seems a starting bid is ridiculously low--I mean, of course I'd love to pay 20 bucks and get a great peice for my collection, but someone "parting with" their "beleoved colelction" due to hardship & need of cash would at least TRY to make some money on it, right?

I don't think starting bids count for much. Sometimes it's a good strategic move to start bidding at a really low price, I think.

turtlex
12-23-2008, 11:13 AM
I agree... the lower the starting bid, the more people you get involved and the more "lookers" you attract... it gets put on more "watch lists" etc. It's a good strategy, so long as you have a reserve, just in case.

Rahfa
12-23-2008, 02:14 PM
Actually, I don't bother with 'reserve' auctions myself...because then it's obviously not selling for a cheap price, so I don't bother trying to guess the seller's intentions...

Hutch
12-23-2008, 06:23 PM
at this time this seller has 11 Stephen King forgeries listed, I've reported all.

http://shop.ebay.com/merchant/allbookedup!

allbookedup auctions are no longer running. All are gone not just the King auctions. And now their status is Not a registered user:cool:

pickle
12-23-2008, 06:31 PM
*sings that queen song*
Another one bites the dust...

jhanic
12-23-2008, 06:46 PM
Yes!!!

John

Room 217 Caretaker
12-23-2008, 07:03 PM
That's FANTASTIC news Hutch and good job bringing this guy to our attention.

Excellent kudos goes to everyone here who took the time to share feelings of concern with Ebay. We can't win all of them all the time but we can go to bed thinking we've helped save some people from grief.

A Christmas present they won't know they've received.

Merry Christmas

Mulleins
Cumberland VA

Patrick
12-23-2008, 10:00 PM
Score one for the good guys.

turtlex
12-24-2008, 04:02 AM
Way to go!

e_taylor
12-28-2008, 06:31 AM
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=260338132491

Just reported this one. Obvious fake.

pickle
12-28-2008, 07:09 AM
reported too

turtlex
12-28-2008, 08:43 AM
Um.... :rofl:

That is FUNNY !!!!!!

pickle
12-28-2008, 11:53 AM
That really was one of the worst attempts i have seen in a while
http://www.thedarktower.org/palaver/images/smilies/rofl.gif

The Lady of Shadows
12-28-2008, 12:47 PM
reported.

Room 217 Caretaker
12-30-2008, 06:29 AM
Hey, Ralph - any update on your little 'test' with the sig expert?

He did respond to my request. I got caught up in getting ready for family and Christmas. Sending the signature and story his way today.

As soon as I hear back, I'll post the identical information here, and a day later post the REAL story behind it all.

Just having some fun. It's worth the $4

Mulleins
Cumberland VA

UPDATE:

The Ebay signature guru never got back with me. :doh:

So, I am going to post the same information that was sent to him, starting tomorrow morning. Let's have some fun with this. I know the true story behind this signature.

Rules of the game:

1. Don't just respond with it's a fake or it's real. Defend your feelings on it.

2. No one is going to judge your decision. Defend your feelings with freedom.

I will reveal the story on January 1st of how this King signature came about.

So, let's play "Is it Real or Is it Fake?" Stay tuned for more information. :nana:

Mulleins
Cumberland VA

Room 217 Caretaker
12-31-2008, 06:30 AM
:clap: It's time to play "Is it REAL or is it FAKE?

The following story of this signature came from a very well known book seller in the collecting world of Stephen King:

Stephen King did a signing for “On Writing” at BookMarc’s bookstore in Bangor October 26th 2000.
King signed my copy of “On Writing” as seen sitting on the table in front of him (see picture), but he also graciously signed my Insomnia gift edition, also seen in picture being handed to him. This picture from the signing is being used by LilJas Library in the story of the signing that took place in October.
King signed my copy of Insomnia with a Sharpie. After King signed it, he stood up and pointed out that it’s the worst King signature he’s ever done. King, recognizing it was a gift edition and not something he could just turn around and offer his signature again in another book, apologized. I told him, with a smile, I will take this book with this signature. It has character.

Just as a side note. The Insomnia in discussion is the gift edition as shown in the picture being handed to King.

Randall Flagg
12-31-2008, 07:04 AM
I say bullshit. I don't like how the T has a "stall" in it and I don't like the fact the swoop from the end of the N in Stephen does not make the correct arc, and also doesn't continue over at least to, if not past the K in King.

Gris
12-31-2008, 07:28 AM
I say no way. Mostly because of the way he transitions from the "K" to his "i" in King

Let me know when I can jump in with a couple sigs...

lophophoras
12-31-2008, 07:34 AM
It looks good to me. The S and the K are what I am basing my judgment from. They look good. The rest of his signature looks rushed.

I know that my signature is never the same. The two prominent first letters of my signature are usually consistent but the rest of the letters tend to vary.

It will be interesting to find out the truth.

Sam
12-31-2008, 07:34 AM
All I can say for certain is that the signature raises my bullshit button. It is conceivable that the story is true, but for some reason I cannot articulate, it doesn't ring right. Allowing the guy to get his book signed (King might would but his publisher likely would not), the convienience of the picture , the sharpie, all of it just seems... wrong. Forget the signature for a moment, the story doesn't seem right.

The signature looks horrible also, but I've made some winners in my life too. The way it stutters at the bottom of the "T", the "N" in King doesn't look right, and add that to the story? I don't buy it and wouldn't spend my money. I cry fake.

Oh, that and the fact that I can't find the picture on the site referenced.

Brice
12-31-2008, 07:40 AM
I'm no good at saying why. I generally just go with instinct or a feeling. I think it's real, although a bad signature. The story does sound a little false though...maybe embellished.

willie3
12-31-2008, 07:41 AM
Not as qualified as most of the members here, but I would pass on this sig.

Other than the obvious flaw in the 't', I don't like the fact that the 'p' and 'h' are not connected.

And the pic of him with his hand on the book doesn't mean a thing.

Karl

at_one
12-31-2008, 07:54 AM
Usually when you are telling a story to back something up and you give too many details you are telling a lie....I would say the opposite in this case. I believe that holding the thicker marker may have interfered with a normal writing pattern and thus killed the sig. I agree Lophophoras- The S and the K look good , the rest of the sig looks like poop. Vote genuine for me!

gsvec
12-31-2008, 08:57 AM
First of all, did you file a claim to get your $4 back, Ralph? :lol:

Anyway, on to the signature. While a bit over detailed, the story itself sounds plausable - the picture is indeed on Lilja's site (here (http://www.liljas-library.com/2000/signing.php)) and in the story it mentions that people were allowed to have 2 books signed. But you could've just pulled that pic from the site and made up the story! A lot of things in Stephen bother me - the stop/start in the T, the p and h not being connected, the length of the swoop. King looks pretty good except the K looks too pretty and I don't like that little bump at the top of the g. It was his first event after recovering from his accident, which would make me lean a little more toward legit and allow the discrepancies. But my gut says the story's just too convenient and I'd pass.

And as a side note, there was a guy mentioned in the article who got his arm signed and was going to turn it into a tattoo. Anybody know who that might be? :rofl:

turtlex
12-31-2008, 08:58 AM
This is so fun to read. It's like a crash course in Sai King forgery!

Rahfa
12-31-2008, 11:54 AM
I think the sig's good....

It's rushed, but in a legit style...the 'g' is correct, and it has the style King uses where the writing at the top of the 'g' is written back on itself...the 'Kin' looks good, even though a little off kilter...the underline under the whole signature looks natural, like he normally does...The 'S' is rushed as well, but the style itself is King's own, and the loop of the 'S' doesn't have a giveaway stutter....it looks like a somewhat skewed version of my 'Buick 8' signed copy.

Now...just because I think it's real doesn't mean I'd buy it. The story, while believable, would make me less likely to buy it, not more.

jhanic
12-31-2008, 12:33 PM
I feel the same as Rahfa.

John

super sam
12-31-2008, 05:13 PM
In my opinion. It´s a real signature.
Don´t like the "Stephen" in the signature but the "King" seems legit.

The Lady of Shadows
12-31-2008, 05:19 PM
well, i always ask you guys because i know when i'm in over my head, but for what it's worth i call foul.

i really don't like that "t" in stephen - too loopy at the top. and i don't like the first "e" in Stephen either. also, the "p" and the "h" bother me for some reason that i can't put my finger on. . . overall just a glance makes me nervous and that would make me come in here and ask you guys. when that happens it almost always happens that you all tell me it's a fake or highly questionable.

now that i've actually expressed an opinion that will never leave the internet let me go back into hiding. :unsure:

Patrick
12-31-2008, 06:48 PM
The part about how he "stood up" and declared it the worse he'd done. Without looking at the sig, I dismissed it based on that alone. The sig may be real, but the story makes me take a pass.

Sam
12-31-2008, 10:04 PM
Here's another that has cropped up. Take a look at the signature. Has anyone heard of this type of bookplate?

http://cgi.ebay.com/Stephen-King-SIGNED-1st-DEAD-ZONE-Cujo-Shining-Carrie_W0QQitemZ120354762575QQcmdZViewItemQQptZAnt iquarian_Collectible?hash=item120354762575&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=72%3A1205%7C66%3A2%7C65%3A12%7C39%3A1%7C 240%3A1318%7C301%3A1%7C293%3A1%7C294%3A50

gsvec
12-31-2008, 10:08 PM
Never seen such a thing. I enlarged the pic with the sig and it doesn't look good, either. And it IS the illustrious Tim Miller, so I personally wouldn't touch it.

Sam
12-31-2008, 10:39 PM
I thought pretty much the same thing. The sig doesn't look right, but I am not really familiar with his early sigs. I've never heard of that bookplate either. It all sounds fishier than the salmon run at Ketchikan.

gsvec
12-31-2008, 11:14 PM
Here's a 1980 legit sig - VERY different than what's on that book, although there's no mention of when he actually "signed" that bookplate.

http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e73/gsvec/Stephen%20King%20Collection/I%20-%20Miscellaneous/Dated%20Sigs/6-8-80.jpg

Sam
12-31-2008, 11:50 PM
Thanks Gretchen. Love the sig btw. That's cool as hell. Are they all yours?

carlosdetweiller
01-01-2009, 05:01 AM
Here's another that has cropped up. Take a look at the signature. Has anyone heard of this type of bookplate?


My memory is a bit hazy but I remember a set of these home made bookplates (maybe 5 or 6 depicting different novels) selling on eBay about three years or so ago. I think that Tim Miller bought them and paid a large price for them. Maybe Hutch will chime in on this. His memory for things like this is much better than mine.

I do recall the seller (who supposedly drew the bookplates) had a weird (and frankly, unbelievable) story about sending them in to King and King signed them.

I agree that you should stay away from this auction. But, then, that is good advice for all of Miller's auctions.

Hutch
01-01-2009, 06:40 AM
OK ...I'm chiming in. If memory serves me correctly Tim did indeed win a group lot at auction on Ebay. However they were not bookplates to begin with. They were signed book club edition books. There were as many as perhaps six early titles in the lot all legitimately signed IMO with someone's title specific sketches added.

If correct with the above, the sketches and signatures were removed from the original BCE books and added to first editions as signed book plates. I wonder if the sketches were added after or before Steve signed the books. I'd like to believe that if they added prior to being signed Steve would have added some witty comment with reference to the added sketches. You may have noticed how I don't use the words "art" or "remarque". I save those labels for drawings and doodles done by the author or artist associated with the author.

I do believe they do add some value to the books but certainly nowhere near as much if the books themselves were actually signed.

As for the sketches...they are fun to look at.




Here's another that has cropped up. Take a look at the signature. Has anyone heard of this type of bookplate?


My memory is a bit hazy but I remember a set of these home made bookplates (maybe 5 or 6 depicting different novels) selling on eBay about three years or so ago. I think that Tim Miller bought them and paid a large price for them. Maybe Hutch will chime in on this. His memory for things like this is much better than mine.

I do recall the seller (who supposedly drew the bookplates) had a weird (and frankly, unbelievable) story about sending them in to King and King signed them.

I agree that you should stay away from this auction. But, then, that is good advice for all of Miller's auctions.

Earth's Militant Mind
01-01-2009, 12:52 PM
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=260338132491

Just reported this one. Obvious fake.

Ebay left this on after I and several other reported it and it actually sold for $150. I feel sorry for the buyer, sort of.

The Lady of Shadows
01-01-2009, 01:03 PM
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=260338132491

Just reported this one. Obvious fake.

Ebay left this on after I and several other reported it and it actually sold for $150. I feel sorry for the buyer

i guess enough of us didn't report it in time. pity.

Room 217 Caretaker
01-01-2009, 03:04 PM
:clap: It's time to play "Is it REAL or is it FAKE?

The following story of this signature came from a very well known book seller in the collecting world of Stephen King:

Stephen King did a signing for “On Writing” at BookMarc’s bookstore in Bangor October 26th 2000.
King signed my copy of “On Writing” as seen sitting on the table in front of him (see picture), but he also graciously signed my Insomnia gift edition, also seen in picture being handed to him. This picture from the signing is being used by LilJas Library in the story of the signing that took place in October.
King signed my copy of Insomnia with a Sharpie. After King signed it, he stood up and pointed out that it’s the worst King signature he’s ever done. King, recognizing it was a gift edition and not something he could just turn around and offer his signature again in another book, apologized. I told him, with a smile, I will take this book with this signature. It has character.

Just as a side note. The Insomnia in discussion is the gift edition as shown in the picture being handed to King.

Good Evening Everyone,

I know I promised the real story today. However, due to a sudden death in the family we've kicked off our New Years in shock.

I will post the story tomorrow when I'm back on my own sofa.

Again, sorry for the delay.

Mulleins
Cumberland VA

turtlex
01-01-2009, 03:07 PM
Good Evening Everyone,

I know I promised the real story today. However, due to a sudden death in the family we've kicked off our New Years in shock.

I will post the story tomorrow when I'm back on my own sofa.

Again, sorry for the delay.

Mulleins
Cumberland VA

My deepest sympathies.
Take care of you and your family.
We'll be here when you have more time.

Sam
01-01-2009, 03:35 PM
What she said. This place ain't going anywhere. Take care of your family dude. They come first.

jhanic
01-01-2009, 06:06 PM
Sincerest condolences, Ralph. My prayers are with you and yours.

John

willie3
01-01-2009, 06:09 PM
You and your family will be in our Prayers.

Be Well.

Karl

The Lady of Shadows
01-01-2009, 08:01 PM
ralph my thoughts are with you. :rose:

Patrick
01-01-2009, 08:56 PM
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=260338132491

Just reported this one. Obvious fake.
Ebay left this on after I and several other reported it and it actually sold for $150. I feel sorry for the buyer
i guess enough of us didn't report it in time. pity.
Even though it already sold, I just reported it anyway. If the buyer wises up and tries to back out, eBay will have our reports on record.

Patrick
01-01-2009, 08:57 PM
Good Evening Everyone,

I know I promised the real story today. However, due to a sudden death in the family we've kicked off our New Years in shock.

I will post the story tomorrow when I'm back on my own sofa.

Again, sorry for the delay.

Mulleins
Cumberland VA
Condolences to you and your family, Ralph. Sorry to hear about this sad start to your new year.

Room 217 Caretaker
01-02-2009, 06:18 AM
Good Evening Everyone,

I know I promised the real story today. However, due to a sudden death in the family we've kicked off our New Years in shock.

I will post the story tomorrow when I'm back on my own sofa.

Again, sorry for the delay.

Mulleins
Cumberland VA
Condolences to you and your family, Ralph. Sorry to hear about this sad start to your new year.

Thank you everyone for your kind words. It's been a rough couple days. Coming to this website is a form of therapy for me. Comfort food for the heart.

Now I need to get back to the norm:

As promised. "THE REAL STORY" (some may need to go up the thread a little to see the signature picture and story)


HOW A FAKE SIGNATURE HELPED ME BE A BETTER COLLECTOR:

Some time ago, an Ebay seller had the book listed as the S/L version. I took a chance when I bought it since he really didn’t have pictures of the S/L. When the book arrived it was the gift edition signed by King. I contacted the seller through Ebay immediately. He gave me his home and business phone # to contact him.

Being a novice collector he really thought he was selling the S/L version of Insomnia. We discussed the signature and the difference between the S/L version and what he sold me. He gave me the name of the dealer who sold him the book.

I called the selling dealer to see if he remembered anything about the book and how the signature came about; he remembered the book and told me, he wasn’t at the signing but he bought it from a person he trusted that went to the signing.

I contacted Bookmarcs and asked if they could recall anything like that happening (very nice people to talk with by the way). They did remember something happening right at the beginning of the signing where King stood up, said something funny, had everyone laughing in line, but would not guarantee it had anything to do with the book or signature in question. I don’t blame them for that.

THE OUTCOME:

The Ebay seller and I worked out an agreement for half my $ back since he posted the wrong book.

Since I couldn’t verify the dealer’s story, I’ve concluded



The signature is…………………FAKE.

Even though a few things seem to be right about the signature, several things are wrong.

Randall Flagg: Good eye my friend and to everyone else that noticed the “stall” mark in the T. That was my first clue when I really started to break this signature down.
The King part of the signature didn’t bother me as much as the Stephen part of the signature. Rushed signature?? Could be. It still doesn’t settle well with me.

Willie3: Good eye on the P and H. I really didn’t see that one until much later down the road in my comparisons. I’ve yet to see a signature to this date with a space like that.

The size of the signature as a whole bothered me. King normally doesn’t sign big signatures.

Why did I only ask for half my money back? It taught me several lessons about collecting:

1. How to break down a signature and look for possible flaws.
2. If you can’t be at the signing yourself or have a friend get it for you. Don’t buy it.
3. I take my time and look at all the details keeping emotions down to a minimum.
4. If you’re in doubt after checking it out don’t pull your money out.

I’m hoping one day to show the book to King and have him put an arrow towards the fake signature and write “this one is fake”, sign it and place an arrow towards the legit signature saying this one is REAL.

Of course, Robin Furth already told me he won’t do that for the fear of it coming back as a form of court papers.

The good part of all this:

The Ebay person I bought the book from is now a better collector and a friend.

The dealer from the story immediately pulled several signatures from Ebay in 2000 and started questioning some signatures himself and his trusted friend. He has since become a great dealer to buy from. Please don’t ask me to reveal this person.

In closing:

The right side of my brain was telling me to get angry, throw a fit, point fingers, and threaten. The left side said hold on, I think we have a lifelong lesson we can learn so let’s investigate.

I now listen to the left side of my brain more often. Her name is Karen and we’ve been happily married 23 years.

Mulleins
Cumberland VA

lophophoras
01-02-2009, 06:29 AM
Very interesting story. We can all learn new lessons as long as we remain open minded and teachable.

I am glad that if I have any questions about a signature I can bounce it off members of this group because I am no expert. LOL...

Thanks Mulleins.

Sam
01-02-2009, 06:48 AM
I, too, have learned that it's often better for your health and freedom to listen to the left side of your brain. How is your family?

Rahfa
01-02-2009, 07:54 AM
Good story...

Again, what it proves is to never, never, never buy a signature you have even a .00001 percent thought might be fake.

Like I said, I still think that signature is real...but I have enough questions about it, and could see the other side of the argument as well...so if I bought it, all I'd do is wonder about it, so what's the point!

Brice
01-02-2009, 08:01 AM
My gut still says it's real too. I lack the talent for saying why...it's just a feeling.

Hutch
01-02-2009, 09:10 AM
I remember the original Ebay listing... my original opinion was that it was an obvious fake. Let's just say for arguments sake that it was authentic, it would be such a poor example of King's signature that even if the current owner was well-known and deemed trustworthy in King circles and witnessed the actual signing. It would still be such a poor example that I'd never want it in my collection. If it were, I'd continually be defending my own reason for obtaining it.

On a side note in addition to all the faults others have pointed out...the black sharpie signature also raises doubt. Ever seen an authentic signed On Writing signed with a black sharpie? Blue fountain certianly... but not a black sharpie.


:clap: It's time to play "Is it REAL or is it FAKE?

The following story of this signature came from a very well known book seller in the collecting world of Stephen King:

Stephen King did a signing for “On Writing” at BookMarc’s bookstore in Bangor October 26th 2000.
King signed my copy of “On Writing” as seen sitting on the table in front of him (see picture), but he also graciously signed my Insomnia gift edition, also seen in picture being handed to him. This picture from the signing is being used by LilJas Library in the story of the signing that took place in October.
King signed my copy of Insomnia with a Sharpie. After King signed it, he stood up and pointed out that it’s the worst King signature he’s ever done. King, recognizing it was a gift edition and not something he could just turn around and offer his signature again in another book, apologized. I told him, with a smile, I will take this book with this signature. It has character.

Just as a side note. The Insomnia in discussion is the gift edition as shown in the picture being handed to King.

willie3
01-02-2009, 09:21 AM
...On a side note in addition to all the faults others have pointed out...the black sharpie signature also raises doubt. Ever seen an authentic signed On Writing signed with a black sharpie? Blue fountain certainly... but not a black sharpie.


Hutch, I am glad someone else brought up the Sharpie.
The fact that they bleed through everything would make me hesitant to have anything signed with that particular instrument.

Does anyone know of Mr. King signing anything using a Sharpie?

Karl

Hutch
01-02-2009, 09:33 AM
...On a side note in addition to all the faults others have pointed out...the black sharpie signature also raises doubt. Ever seen an authentic signed On Writing signed with a black sharpie? Blue fountain certainly... but not a black sharpie.


Hutch, I am glad someone else brought up the Sharpie.
The fact that they bleed through everything would make me hesitant to have anything signed with that particular instrument.

Does anyone know of Mr. King signing anything using a Sharpie?

Karl

from early in his career he did occasionally use a "Flair" style felt tip pen. I've seen it in red, green and blue. I think I have an example or two in my collection.

Patrick
01-02-2009, 09:57 AM
Great story, Ralph, and a good moral lesson as well.

Follow-up questions: So you're saying the dealer was duped by his "trusted friend" who supposedly went to signings? Are they still friends?

Room 217 Caretaker
01-02-2009, 01:05 PM
I remember the original Ebay listing... my original opinion was that it was an obvious fake. Let's just say for arguments sake that it was authentic, it would be such a poor example of King's signature that even if the current owner was well-known and deemed trustworthy in King circles and witnessed the actual signing. It would still such a poor example that I'd never want it in my collection. If it were, I'd continually be defending my own reason for obtaining it.

On a side note in addition to all the faults others have pointed out...the black sharpie signature also raises doubt. Ever seen an authentic signed On Writing signed with a black sharpie? Blue fountain certianly... but not a black sharpie.


:clap: It's time to play "Is it REAL or is it FAKE?

The following story of this signature came from a very well known book seller in the collecting world of Stephen King:

Stephen King did a signing for “On Writing” at BookMarc’s bookstore in Bangor October 26th 2000.
King signed my copy of “On Writing” as seen sitting on the table in front of him (see picture), but he also graciously signed my Insomnia gift edition, also seen in picture being handed to him. This picture from the signing is being used by LilJas Library in the story of the signing that took place in October.
King signed my copy of Insomnia with a Sharpie. After King signed it, he stood up and pointed out that it’s the worst King signature he’s ever done. King, recognizing it was a gift edition and not something he could just turn around and offer his signature again in another book, apologized. I told him, with a smile, I will take this book with this signature. It has character.

Just as a side note. The Insomnia in discussion is the gift edition as shown in the picture being handed to King.

Hello Hutch,

I was wondering if you remembered the auction. Damn your memory is still good and don't let anyone tell you other wise :)

You and I talked on the phone right after the auction closed. I started the ball rolling right away and discovered the story.

To answer Patricks questions. I think the dealer felt duped by what he calls his FORMER friend. He doesn't talk much about it anymore.

Hutch, I do have a legit sig from King with a purple looking ink. I'm sure it's a felt type. Signed in 85. Is this what your thinking?

Mulleins

Rahfa
01-02-2009, 02:10 PM
Something about the 'big' signature that gives creedence to it's legitimacy...

If you have an oversized book in front of you, like the Insomnia edition was, then you'll probably try to fill some of that extra space with your signature, because it will be so much more white space than a normal book...that will obviously result in the signature looking a little off-kilter, since it's not your normal style.

That could explain the 'p' and 'h' seperation, since his signature would be out of rhythym with his normal signature stroke.

The Sharpie is a good point too, though, since he wasn't going to switch pens - unless, he wanted to use something with a more substantial ink than a normal pen.

This assumes the story is true, which we have some evidence of from the bookstore.

tippy4
01-02-2009, 02:17 PM
I had something happen right before Christmas that is worth mentioning.

A fellow member here alerted me to the fact that there is a Letters From Hell listed on Craig's List in California for $100.

This member lives on the east coast, and since I am in California, she thought I might be able to pick it up. Well, the seller lives about 5 hours from me, so pick up was not an option.

I called the seller on the phone, and he told me that he had bought it at Bett's Books, and that he knew it was worth more, but he just wanted it to go to another King collector, and he was willing to ship it. I told him I would send him a money order the day after Christmas.

Now, unbeknownst to me, the member who had alerted me to it in the first place decided she wanted it after all, and made a deal with the seller to purchase it. She told me about this AFTER I had already agreed to purchase it, and that she had sent over payment (Western Union). 30 minutes after that, the seller told me where I could send MY payment.

Seems the whole thing was a scam, and the seller tried to sell us both the same non-existant item. As far as I know, the other member here has not received anything yet. HE even sent here a tracking number that turned out to be fake.

Luckily for me, I never sent a penny....but I was about to. The guy was pleasant, polite and knowledgeable. Unfortunately, a member here is now out $120.

The point I an trying to make, is that if it seems to good to be true, it probably is.

Room 217 Caretaker
01-02-2009, 02:38 PM
I had something happen right before Christmas that is worth mentioning.

A fellow member here alerted me to the fact that there is a Letters From Hell listed on Craig's List in California for $100.

This member lives on the east coast, and since I am in California, she thought I might be able to pick it up. Well, the seller lives about 5 hours from me, so pick up was not an option.

I called the seller on the phone, and he told me that he had bought it at Bett's Books, and that he knew it was worth more, but he just wanted it to go to another King collector, and he was willing to ship it. I told him I would send him a money order the day after Christmas.

Now, unbeknownst to me, the member who had alerted me to it in the first place decided she wanted it after all, and made a deal with the seller to purchase it. She told me about this AFTER I had already agreed to purchase it, and that she had sent over payment (Western Union). 30 minutes after that, the seller told me where I could send MY payment.

Seems the whole thing was a scam, and the seller tried to sell us both the same non-existant item. As far as I know, the other member here has not received anything yet. HE even sent here a tracking number that turned out to be fake.

Luckily for me, I never sent a penny....but I was about to. The guy was pleasant, polite and knowledgeable. Unfortunately, a member here is now out $120.

The point I an trying to make, is that if it seems to good to be true, it probably is.

Sorry to hear that for our member. Whoever he/she is, please don't feel embarrassed by this. :huglove:

I learned the following lesson on a similar deal: Not unless I REALLY know the seller, Western Union and Cashiers check is out. Won't do it ever again.

Mulleins
Cumberland VA

Hutch
01-02-2009, 04:05 PM
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Hutch, I do have a legit sig from King with a purple looking ink. I'm sure it's a felt type. Signed in 85. Is this what your thinking?

Mulleins

I don't have a sample of that color ...but yes that is the type of felt tip pen I've seen used in the past. Papermate used to manufacture a felt tip pen called a Flair. I remember using them when I was a young man and it produces the result you show in your image.

Mr. Rabbit Trick
01-05-2009, 07:29 AM
Does anyone know of Mr. King signing anything using a Sharpie?
Karl

Here's a King signature done with a sharpie from 1980...

http://www.akyle.f2s.com/images/09azone_1.jpg

Gris
01-05-2009, 09:06 AM
what's y'alls opinions on this?

Story is the guy got several boxes of books from a used book store that was closing. One of the boxes contained about a dozen signed Stephen King books. This is one of them...

It's a 1st/1st which is nice anyways.

gsvec
01-05-2009, 09:13 AM
Does anyone know of Mr. King signing anything using a Sharpie?

Karl
And here's another from 1980 - but I'm thinking maybe these were done with a Flair (as Hutch mentioned) as opposed to a Sharpie. Looks like they were both done at the same signing!

http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e73/gsvec/Stephen%20King%20Collection/I%20-%20Miscellaneous/Dated%20Sigs/6-8-80.jpg

Hutch
01-05-2009, 09:20 AM
the signature is an obvious fake

what's y'alls opinions on this?

Story is the guy got several boxes of books from a used book store that was closing. One of the boxes contained about a dozen signed Stephen King books. This is one of them...

It's a 1st/1st which is nice anyways.

Mr. Rabbit Trick
01-05-2009, 09:34 AM
And here's another from 1980 - but I'm thinking maybe these were done with a Flair (as Hutch mentioned) as opposed to a Sharpie. Looks like they were both done at the same signing!


I think you are right about the same signing.

(PS I'm from the UK and don't know what a "sharpie" or "flair" is. We call them felt tips, or marker pens)

Mr. Rabbit Trick
01-05-2009, 09:36 AM
what's y'alls opinions on this?

Story is the guy got several boxes of books from a used book store that was closing. One of the boxes contained about a dozen signed Stephen King books. This is one of them...

It's a 1st/1st which is nice anyways.

No wonder the store closed. That is a shocking sig.

jhanic
01-05-2009, 10:55 AM
what's y'alls opinions on this?

Story is the guy got several boxes of books from a used book store that was closing. One of the boxes contained about a dozen signed Stephen King books. This is one of them...

It's a 1st/1st which is nice anyways.

It IS really bad.

John

gsvec
01-05-2009, 11:07 AM
what's y'alls opinions on this?

Story is the guy got several boxes of books from a used book store that was closing. One of the boxes contained about a dozen signed Stephen King books. This is one of them...

It's a 1st/1st which is nice anyways.

It IS really bad.

John
Yuk. What I've never understood is why someone would ruin a first edition with a fake signature. :pullhair:

Gris
01-05-2009, 11:11 AM
Because a 1st/1st of Rose madder might get $50 if they are lucky. The signed one might get a couple 100 if they are lucky and the buyer is stupid.

This was a couple months ago and not sure if they are still selling, but he had sold a few for several $100 at that point.

Patrick
01-05-2009, 05:54 PM
...(PS I'm from the UK and don't know what a "sharpie" or "flair" is. We call them felt tips, or marker pens)
Sharpie (http://www.sharpie.com/) is a very popular brand of permanent marker. The Papermate Flair was a brand of regular felt tip markers. I'm not sure they even make those anymore.

lophophoras
01-06-2009, 04:16 AM
What do you guys think about this one?

http://cgi.ebay.com/The-Talisman-Peter-Straub-Stephen-King-1985-FS-signed_W0QQitemZ120359506912QQihZ002QQcategoryZ377 QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

jhanic
01-06-2009, 04:34 AM
I'm just not sure. I have doubts in that I'd like more information on HOW, WHERE and WHEN it was signed. The photo of the item is not that much help in that it's so blurry it's hard to tell--it could be a tracing!

John

wizardsrainbow
01-06-2009, 04:40 AM
Picture quality is not great, but I will go out on a limb and say the King sig is legit for its time. Hutch carries the weight on sigs though. I'd go with whatever he says.

Hutch
01-06-2009, 05:23 AM
It would be legit if it were actually signed. This photo is published in the early PBs of this title with the signatures preprinted. It is not signed.


Picture quality is not great, but I will go out on a limb and say the King sig is legit for its time. Hutch carries the weight on sigs though. I'd go with whatever he says.

carlosdetweiller
01-06-2009, 05:25 AM
The signatures are real but they are not original signatures. The publishers took a signed photo and reproduced it in the paperback. All copies of that particular printing have a "signed" photo. That particular edition is frequently misrepresented on eBay as having original signatures.

wizardsrainbow
01-06-2009, 05:59 AM
So, I was both right and wrong! Thanks Hutch and Bob for clearing that up.

Ari_Racing
01-06-2009, 10:31 AM
http://cgi.ebay.com/SIGNED-Stephen-King-first-edition-1st-Autograph-REAL_W0QQitemZ180315295684QQcmdZViewItemQQptZAntiq uarian_Collectible?hash=item180315295684&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=72%3A1205|66%3A4|65%3A12|39%3A1|240%3A13 18|301%3A0|293%3A17|294%3A200

Room 217 Caretaker
01-06-2009, 10:51 AM
I submitted one to this guy (read further up the list)

He never got back with me.

I did it just for fun.

Mulleins
Cumberland VA

Sam
01-06-2009, 04:05 PM
I notice he just cut and pasted his original add. The new price is $5.00, but his ad still says the price is $4.00.

gsvec
01-06-2009, 06:05 PM
Ralph, did you get your $4 back?

And this is new

BUYERS WHO USE THE SERVICE AND AND LEAVE POSITIVE FEEDBACK WILL ALSO GAIN 30 DAY ACCESS TO PRIVATE SITE WHICH IDENTIFIES OTHER FAKE SIGNATURES AND DISCUSSION BOARDS.
Wonder if he's going to supply his ID and password to the skfakes site? :lol:

jhanic
01-06-2009, 06:08 PM
:rofl:

John

Room 217 Caretaker
01-06-2009, 06:30 PM
Ralph, did you get your $4 back?

And this is new

BUYERS WHO USE THE SERVICE AND AND LEAVE POSITIVE FEEDBACK WILL ALSO GAIN 30 DAY ACCESS TO PRIVATE SITE WHICH IDENTIFIES OTHER FAKE SIGNATURES AND DISCUSSION BOARDS.
Wonder if he's going to supply his ID and password to the skfakes site? :lol:

:thumbsup: Yep....he didn't take my money.

But no explanation or email response.

Oh well. I honestly wanted to talk with him. I do believe he's trying to help people.

Mulleins
Cumberland VA

Clacke
01-07-2009, 07:26 AM
Is it me or is there something not quite right about the signature here:

http://cgi.ebay.ie/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=120338832313&ru=http%3A%2F%2Fshop.ebay.ie%3A80%2F%3F_from%3DR40 %26_trksid%3Dm38%26_nkw%3D%2B120338832313%2509%26_ fvi%3D1

I'm no expert, but on the supersized photo the sig looks stuttering and wavery, like maybe it was traced?:

http://cgi.ebay.ie/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=120338832313&indexURL=1&photoDisplayType=2#ebayphotohosting

lophophoras
01-07-2009, 07:28 AM
It does look like a trace.

Hutch
01-07-2009, 07:32 AM
Your suspicions are correct. It's an obvious forgery with much hesitation throughout.



Is it me or is there something not quite right about the signature here:

http://cgi.ebay.ie/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=120338832313&ru=http%3A%2F%2Fshop.ebay.ie%3A80%2F%3F_from%3DR40 %26_trksid%3Dm38%26_nkw%3D%2B120338832313%2509%26_ fvi%3D1

I'm no expert, but on the supersized photo the sig looks stuttering and wavery, like maybe it was traced?:

http://cgi.ebay.ie/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=120338832313&indexURL=1&photoDisplayType=2#ebayphotohosting

tippy4
01-07-2009, 11:14 AM
Agreed...but not too bad a forgery.

I have seen worse.

Randall Flagg
01-07-2009, 05:44 PM
5th printing...I know the book sold fast, and if this a legit SK signature, it sure is ugly.
http://pics.ebaystatic.com/aw/pics/globalAssets/ltCurve.gif (http://cgi.ebay.com/Stephen-King-Hand-Signed-First-Edition-Book-Ticket_W0QQitemZ190278133060QQihZ009QQcategoryZ377 QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem)
(http://cgi.ebay.com/Stephen-King-Hand-Signed-First-Edition-Book-Ticket_W0QQitemZ190278133060QQihZ009QQcategoryZ377 QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem)
(http://cgi.ebay.com/Stephen-King-Hand-Signed-First-Edition-Book-Ticket_W0QQitemZ190278133060QQihZ009QQcategoryZ377 QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem)Stephen King Hand Signed First Edition Book & Ticket (http://cgi.ebay.com/Stephen-King-Hand-Signed-First-Edition-Book-Ticket_W0QQitemZ190278133060QQihZ009QQcategoryZ377 QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem)

http://i5.ebayimg.com/06/i/001/28/5b/0070_1.JPG

jhanic
01-07-2009, 05:49 PM
Somehow, and I may be mistaken, but I thought all the books signed at Battersea were third printings. (I have one.)

John

Gris
01-07-2009, 06:23 PM
That curley-que G looks like poopy. Never seen him sign one like that.

Patrick
01-08-2009, 04:53 PM
Your suspicions are correct. It's an obvious forgery with much hesitation throughout.



Is it me or is there something not quite right about the signature here:

http://cgi.ebay.ie/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=120338832313&ru=http%3A%2F%2Fshop.ebay.ie%3A80%2F%3F_from%3DR40 %26_trksid%3Dm38%26_nkw%3D%2B120338832313%2509%26_ fvi%3D1

I'm no expert, but on the supersized photo the sig looks stuttering and wavery, like maybe it was traced?:

http://cgi.ebay.ie/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=120338832313&indexURL=1&photoDisplayType=2#ebayphotohosting
Has anyone reported it?

gsvec
01-08-2009, 04:58 PM
I have.

Hutch
01-08-2009, 05:08 PM
long ago

Patrick
01-08-2009, 05:24 PM
i forgot to mention when I asked that I did as well.

Room 217 Caretaker
01-08-2009, 05:41 PM
Reported as well but this is the first time I couldn't explain my thoughts to Ebay.

It showed pull down menus to select from and a place for item # but no explanation box of why I'm reporting it.

Mulleins
Cumberland VA

Patrick
01-08-2009, 05:52 PM
Reported as well but this is the first time I couldn't explain my thoughts to Ebay.

It showed pull down menus to select from and a place for item # but no explanation box of why I'm reporting it.

Mulleins
Cumberland VA
I noticed that too. I guess it's an eBay.uk thing.

gsvec
01-08-2009, 05:55 PM
I copied the item number and opened the listing in US eBay to report it since I always have weird stuff like that happen if I try it in UK or Canada eBay.

lophophoras
01-12-2009, 04:17 AM
Okay guys...here's one.

http://cgi.ebay.com/2-autographs-Stephen-King-The-STAND-1st-Ed-comic-book_W0QQitemZ270328246133QQihZ017QQcategoryZ29223 QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

What connection does that comic have to SK other than being 'signed' by him?

herbertwest
01-12-2009, 07:45 AM
Good question.

What are the stories in it? Signed in 1982...

Rahfa
01-12-2009, 08:01 AM
Looks like he got the idea for Dolan's Cadilliac from it...

Both sigs look legit, by the way.

Chooch
01-13-2009, 04:40 PM
Has anyone delt with ebay seller Tinah3 before. I see that he/she always has a lot of upscale King items for sale. Is it a store or person?

e_taylor
01-13-2009, 04:49 PM
Has anyone delt with ebay seller Tinah3 before. I see that he/she always has a lot of upscale King items for sale. Is it a store or person?

From what I've heard here and on other sites, it is woman in BC. She bought a lot a few years ago (evidently quite a King collection was amassed) with the intent of selling for a profit to fund her kids' college or something to that effect. Her prices are way too high, but I haven't heard anything negative about her.

jhanic
01-13-2009, 04:55 PM
That's what I heard also. Too bad her prices are so high--she has some things I wouldn't mind having, but not at those prices!

John

e_taylor
01-13-2009, 05:00 PM
That's what I heard also. Too bad her prices are so high--she has some things I wouldn't mind having, but not at those prices!

John

Some of them are "consistent" with prices when she would have been buying all these. But some are way out there. $2000 for a PC of the Regulators S/L? $750 would be GREAT at auction. $1400 for the UK S/L of Wizard and Glass? $300 tops.

I only ever tried to make an offer on the PC of the Regulators. I offered $800 (figured I'd say some $$ on customs with keeping it in Canada) and it was auto-rejected.

Earth's Militant Mind
01-14-2009, 12:29 AM
I have made offers to her before as well, she is very expensive. I got into a e-mail discussion with her once about her "Letters from Hell" but she was very stuck on her price.

Gris
01-14-2009, 05:53 AM
anyone have any idea what the story is behind this Duma Key? Who published it, etc...? Never seen it before.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&item=110334826886

inertia1215
01-14-2009, 06:02 AM
anyone have any idea what the story is behind this Duma Key? Who published it, etc...? Never seen it before.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&item=110334826886
It was published by Hodder & Stoughton, it is the UK edition. A very nice cover, but is the same book. Heres a link to Amazon, they have used copies starting at £4.30.

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Duma-Key-Stephen-King/dp/0340952199/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1231941565&sr=8-2

Clacke
01-14-2009, 06:02 AM
anyone have any idea what the story is behind this Duma Key? Who published it, etc...? Never seen it before.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&item=110334826886

The cover shown is of the UK trade edition published by Hodder & Stoughton.
Edit: Too slow - beaten by inertia :)

Gris
01-14-2009, 06:22 AM
thanks for the infos

CRinVA
01-14-2009, 06:33 AM
I too think that Tinah3 overprices her sales. But then this is a free market and she is very patient and from what I can acertain, she appears to be getting her prices most often! More power to her if she can do it! And I trust her - if she says its a signed copy then I am pretty sure that is a valid statement! Of course the S/Ls speak for themselves anyways! :-)

Looking at her sales over the past 6 months I think she has amassed plenty to pay for her kids college education!

I like seeing her auctions, but only as a passive lurker - way over my budget! :-)

e_taylor
01-14-2009, 06:37 AM
I too think that Tinah3 overprices her sales. But then this is a free market and she is very patient and from what I can acertain, she appears to be getting her prices most often! More power to her if she can do it! And I trust her - if she says its a signed copy then I am pretty sure that is a valid statement! Of course the S/Ls speak for themselves anyways! :-)

Looking at her sales over the past 6 months I think she has amassed plenty to pay for her kids college education!

I like seeing her auctions, but only as a passive lurker - way over my budget! :-)

I entirely agree. Theres nothing wrong with having absurd prices. Although on the signatures, there was a few about 4-6 months back that were thought to be fake. BUT, it seemed that she was entirely unaware aswell.

herbertwest
01-14-2009, 08:08 AM
She may overpriced her items, but i guess that in the end she also looses a lot of money by ebays fees : as she have to relist items, i guess that putting them higher is also a way to do not lose too much money

(and i think that someone in the past mentionned that she sometimes accept cheaper offers.. i guess, as long as it isnt TOO much cheaper... everyone gain)

thats really a thing that is missing in ebay : if auctions are getting relisted and relisted : it would be nice to make a cheaper offer to the seller...


===

on amazon, there are few "duma key" books which are presented as being in french... but being "hodder and stoughton export". published in june 2008
any idea of what it is? actually french language?
the book will be published at the end of march in France...

amazon.fr : http://www.amazon.fr/Duma-Key/dp/0340934263/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1231949112&sr=8-1
any idea?

Mr. Rabbit Trick
01-14-2009, 08:16 AM
on amazon, there are few "duma key" books which are presented as being in french... but being "hodder and stoughton export". published in june 2008
any idea of what it is? actually french language?
the book will be published at the end of march in France...


My guess? Hodder & Stoughton are now part of the Hachette Livre group, so I expect they are sharing resources.

Rahfa
01-14-2009, 08:42 AM
The way Tinah lists them - 30 days at a time with a buy-it-now - means the listing fee is only .15 cents...they've changed the fee structure....that's why there's so few auctions, and so many buy-it-now listings.

Chooch
01-14-2009, 09:18 AM
That is true but they also charge 2 - 3 % of the end price so $4500 us means a payment to Ebay of $90 - $135. I agree she is way out there on price, but she does have items you dont see all the time I.E. The "zippered" Skelton Crew

blg
01-14-2009, 11:13 AM
Has anyone delt with ebay seller Tinah3 before. I see that he/she always has a lot of upscale King items for sale. Is it a store or person?

I've bought a few things from her and have had nothing but good interactions. Also, even though I agree that certain items are way overpriced, I've been able to get her price down as much as 25-30% on a few books. It just depends as there are certain things she won't budge on.

herbertwest
01-14-2009, 11:26 AM
on amazon, there are few "duma key" books which are presented as being in french... but being "hodder and stoughton export". published in june 2008
any idea of what it is? actually french language?
the book will be published at the end of march in France...


My guess? Hodder & Stoughton are now part of the Hachette Livre group, so I expect they are sharing resources.

What do you mean? You think that it could ACTUALLY be french translations?

I've searched Lisey's story & Just After Sunset, to see if there could be french version of it. Sometimes they appear as in french through amazon and within the description are then in english. I guess must be the same for Duma. Probably some mistake... should maybe try to email H&S for asking, just to be sure...

Earth's Militant Mind
01-15-2009, 02:03 AM
I too think that Tinah3 overprices her sales. But then this is a free market and she is very patient and from what I can acertain, she appears to be getting her prices most often! More power to her if she can do it! And I trust her - if she says its a signed copy then I am pretty sure that is a valid statement! Of course the S/Ls speak for themselves anyways! :-)

Looking at her sales over the past 6 months I think she has amassed plenty to pay for her kids college education!

I like seeing her auctions, but only as a passive lurker - way over my budget! :-)

I definitly think she is a trusted seller and should be added to that list here, I too love seeing her items...just can't afford them either.

SigTauGimp
01-15-2009, 03:05 AM
Hey everyone...not sure if I'm posting in the right thread or not(It's rare that I venture to this section of the site), but since you all were already on the topic of Tinah3, I had to mention it.

This (http://cgi.ebay.com/Stephen-King-SIGNED-DELUXE-LETTERED-THE-STAND-COFFIN_W0QQitemZ120340700775QQihZ002QQcategoryZ292 23QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem) is a very cool item.:cool: I wish it was possible to find nearly the exact same item, only the lettered edition being "RF". I'm pretty sure I'd pay the amount Tinah3 wants, if I could.:cry:

Hutch
01-15-2009, 05:20 AM
Copy "RF" does not exist. They were lettered A-Z and double lettered AA- ZZ.


I too think that Tinah3 overprices her sales. But then this is a free market and she is very patient and from what I can acertain, she appears to be getting her prices most often! More power to her if she can do it! And I trust her - if she says its a signed copy then I am pretty sure that is a valid statement! Of course the S/Ls speak for themselves anyways! :-)

Looking at her sales over the past 6 months I think she has amassed plenty to pay for her kids college education!

I like seeing her auctions, but only as a passive lurker - way over my budget! :-)

I definitly think she is a trusted seller and should be added to that list here, I too love seeing her items...just can't afford them either.

Earth's Militant Mind
01-15-2009, 01:38 PM
Post says RR unless this was changed later, still F is right below R so typo is possible. Either way I trust her products, just wont pay that price. I know that it is worth more but I wouldnt pay more than half of what she is asking for on the stand(just me of course). Well maybe I would pay $2000 if I had it either way I dont so.....damn I wish I were rich some times.

Rahfa
01-15-2009, 03:56 PM
There was a controversey about this book years ago...it was a non-numbered edition that somebody filled in a fake letter for....


No, I think I was thinking of another book...this one was lettered A-Z then AA, BB, CC...and so on, right?

Hutch
01-15-2009, 04:17 PM
I doubt it's a typo. The copy at auction is copy RR and the poster was hoping it was RF instead of RR.

Post says RR unless this was changed later, still F is right below R so typo is possible. Either way I trust her products, just wont pay that price. I know that it is worth more but I wouldnt pay more than half of what she is asking for on the stand(just me of course). Well maybe I would pay $2000 if I had it either way I dont so.....damn I wish I were rich some times.

Room 217 Caretaker
01-15-2009, 04:25 PM
I doubt it's a typo. The copy at auction is copy RR and the poster was hoping it was RF instead of RR.

Post says RR unless this was changed later, still F is right below R so typo is possible. Either way I trust her products, just wont pay that price. I know that it is worth more but I wouldnt pay more than half of what she is asking for on the stand(just me of course). Well maybe I would pay $2000 if I had it either way I dont so.....damn I wish I were rich some times.

On a side note:

Dave,

Did you see this signed Night Shift signed to Dave :dance:

http://cgi.ebay.com/STEPHEN-KING-Night-Shift-SIGNED-1ST-EDITION_W0QQitemZ190280511007QQcmdZViewItemQQptZAn tiquarian_Collectible?hash=item190280511007&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=66%3A2|65%3A3|39%3A1|240%3A1318

Mulleins
Cumberland VA

Hutch
01-15-2009, 04:34 PM
thank you...it's signed to the right guy, but at the wrong time.
I like them signed dated the year of publication.

This may be a good one for Wiz




I doubt it's a typo. The copy at auction is copy RR and the poster was hoping it was RF instead of RR.

Post says RR unless this was changed later, still F is right below R so typo is possible. Either way I trust her products, just wont pay that price. I know that it is worth more but I wouldnt pay more than half of what she is asking for on the stand(just me of course). Well maybe I would pay $2000 if I had it either way I dont so.....damn I wish I were rich some times.

On a side note:

Dave,

Did you see this signed Night Shift signed to Dave :dance:

http://cgi.ebay.com/STEPHEN-KING-Night-Shift-SIGNED-1ST-EDITION_W0QQitemZ190280511007QQcmdZViewItemQQptZAn tiquarian_Collectible?hash=item190280511007&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=66%3A2|65%3A3|39%3A1|240%3A1318

Mulleins
Cumberland VA

wizardsrainbow
01-16-2009, 04:49 AM
thank you...it's signed to the right guy, but at the wrong time.
I like them signed dated the year of publication.

This may be a good one for Wiz




I doubt it's a typo. The copy at auction is copy RR and the poster was hoping it was RF instead of RR.

Post says RR unless this was changed later, still F is right below R so typo is possible. Either way I trust her products, just wont pay that price. I know that it is worth more but I wouldnt pay more than half of what she is asking for on the stand(just me of course). Well maybe I would pay $2000 if I had it either way I dont so.....damn I wish I were rich some times.

On a side note:

Dave,

Did you see this signed Night Shift signed to Dave :dance:

http://cgi.ebay.com/STEPHEN-KING-Night-Shift-SIGNED-1ST-EDITION_W0QQitemZ190280511007QQcmdZViewItemQQptZAn tiquarian_Collectible?hash=item190280511007&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=66%3A2|65%3A3|39%3A1|240%3A1318

Mulleins
Cumberland VA

Ralph and Dave-

Thanks, but I already own a signed copy of the book (not to Dave/David though). $1500 is quite a lot to pay anyway.

Here is my signed copy:

http://www.thedarktower.org/gallery/data/519/medium/Night_Shift_Signed.JPG

Hutch
01-16-2009, 06:09 AM
Pictures ...well OK. Here's mine inscribed to Kirby McCauley ( King's agent ) inscribed the year of publication.

BTW...IMO I think even at the BUY IT NOW it's a fair price when you consider the apparent condition of the book and the nice inscription. Great copies of Night Shift don't surface very often.
http://i265.photobucket.com/albums/ii232/dhutch57/IMG_0665.jpg

Gris
01-16-2009, 06:35 AM
Is he laughing in that inscription?

LOL

Brice
01-16-2009, 06:56 AM
Yes, he is! :D

Patrick
01-19-2009, 11:39 PM
... Dave,
Did you see this signed Night Shift signed to Dave :dance:

http://cgi.ebay.com/STEPHEN-KING-Night-Shift-SIGNED-1ST-EDITION_W0QQitemZ190280511007QQcmdZViewItemQQptZAn tiquarian_Collectible?hash=item190280511007&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=66%3A2|65%3A3|39%3A1|240%3A1318

Mulleins
Cumberland VA
thank you...it's signed to the right guy, but at the wrong time.
I like them signed dated the year of publication.

This may be a good one for Wiz

Ralph and Dave-

Thanks, but I already own a signed copy of the book (not to Dave/David though). $1500 is quite a lot to pay anyway.
...

...IMO I think even at the BUY IT NOW it's a fair price when you consider the apparent condition of the book and the nice inscription. Great copies of Night Shift don't surface very often.
...
Perhaps oy-the-brave would be interested in making an offer to the seller.

Room 217 Caretaker
01-20-2009, 03:39 AM
OK....this isn't exactly Ebay BS but just beware if you decide to bid:

http://cgi.ebay.com/BAG-OF-BONES-STEPHEN-KING-UK-EDITION-SGND-HTF_W0QQitemZ150322135190QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUS_Fic tion_Books?hash=item150322135190&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=66%3A2|65%3A1|39%3A1|240%3A1318

I'm pretty sure the bookplate they are claiming signed is actually a facsimile of his signature, not actually signed. Dave from Overlook Press sent this card out with the Anniversary Edition of Bag of Bones release.

I'm waiting on an answer from the Ebay seller. Hopefully they will change the wording.

Mulleins
Cumberland VA

lophophoras
01-20-2009, 04:08 AM
Here is another to question:

http://cgi.ebay.com/AUTOGRAPHED-COPY-OF-STEPHEN-KINGS-VERSION-GARGOYLES_W0QQitemZ250360148600QQihZ015QQcategoryZ 378QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

Mr. Rabbit Trick
01-20-2009, 07:01 AM
Here is another to question:

http://cgi.ebay.com/AUTOGRAPHED-COPY-OF-STEPHEN-KINGS-VERSION-GARGOYLES_W0QQitemZ250360148600QQihZ015QQcategoryZ 378QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

Looks OK to me!

Hutch
01-20-2009, 07:11 AM
I think it authentic. The book however, is a second printing.

Here is another to question:

http://cgi.ebay.com/AUTOGRAPHED-COPY-OF-STEPHEN-KINGS-VERSION-GARGOYLES_W0QQitemZ250360148600QQihZ015QQcategoryZ 378QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

Gris
01-20-2009, 07:15 AM
Hutch, how can you tell that it's a 2nd printing from the auction?


I think it authentic. The book however, is a second printing.

Here is another to question:

http://cgi.ebay.com/AUTOGRAPHED-COPY-OF-STEPHEN-KINGS-VERSION-GARGOYLES_W0QQitemZ250360148600QQihZ015QQcategoryZ 378QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

e_taylor
01-20-2009, 07:17 AM
My guess is that he asked the seller. Right Hutch?


Hutch, how can you tell that it's a 2nd printing from the auction?


I think it authentic. The book however, is a second printing.

Here is another to question:

http://cgi.ebay.com/AUTOGRAPHED-COPY-OF-STEPHEN-KINGS-VERSION-GARGOYLES_W0QQitemZ250360148600QQihZ015QQcategoryZ 378QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

Sam
01-20-2009, 09:23 AM
Here's one that made me go "Hmmmm". I think fake.

http://cgi.ebay.com/THINNER-Stephen-King-Signed-1st_W0QQitemZ260349428533QQcmdZViewItemQQptZAntiqu arian_Collectible?hash=item260349428533&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=72%3A1205%7C66%3A4%7C65%3A12%7C39%3A1%7C 240%3A1318%7C301%3A0%7C293%3A2%7C294%3A200

Hutch
01-20-2009, 10:02 AM
yup and the seller replied " Number line shows 10 9 8 7 6 5 4 3 2."


My guess is that he asked the seller. Right Hutch?


Hutch, how can you tell that it's a 2nd printing from the auction?


I think it authentic. The book however, is a second printing.

Here is another to question:

http://cgi.ebay.com/AUTOGRAPHED-COPY-OF-STEPHEN-KINGS-VERSION-GARGOYLES_W0QQitemZ250360148600QQihZ015QQcategoryZ 378QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

Randall Flagg
01-20-2009, 03:56 PM
Suffer the fool who doubts Hutch.:P

The Lady of Shadows
01-20-2009, 04:36 PM
Suffer the fool who doubts Hutch.:P

wait. there are actually people who do that? :unsure:

i had to sign an agreement that i wouldn't before i was even allowed to join the site. :lol:

Matt
01-20-2009, 04:58 PM
Standard verbiage. :D

Sam
01-20-2009, 06:11 PM
Wow t/s, I simply refused to sign it and they still let me in.

Earth's Militant Mind
01-21-2009, 02:16 AM
Wow t/s, I simply refused to sign it and they still let me in.

Wow, your both lucky....I had to hack my way in as I was denied membership :excited:

wizardsrainbow
01-21-2009, 08:05 AM
yup and the seller replied " Number line shows 10 9 8 7 6 5 4 3 2."


My guess is that he asked the seller. Right Hutch?


Hutch, how can you tell that it's a 2nd printing from the auction?


I think it authentic. The book however, is a second printing.

Here is another to question:

http://cgi.ebay.com/AUTOGRAPHED-COPY-OF-STEPHEN-KINGS-VERSION-GARGOYLES_W0QQitemZ250360148600QQihZ015QQcategoryZ 378QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

I own an inscribed 1st printing copy. You hardly EVER see this book signed. In fact, I've only seen 3 ever.

Matt
01-21-2009, 10:48 AM
I may have a sig coming in that will need some expert evaluation, I'll post it here.

tippy4
01-22-2009, 11:28 AM
I own an inscribed 1st printing copy.
You hardly EVER see this book signed.
In fact, I've only seen 3 ever.

A couple years back, Shibus had a copy of Nightmares in the Sky inscribed "To Richard" that I considered buying (since that is my name), but never did.

Wondering if you ended up with it?