The GridIron Gang--Sunday Football!!

[Matt]

DT.com has implemented a innocent little football betting pool to be conducted every weekend before the games throughout the rest of the regular season and the playoffs.

Anyone interested should have a bit of "site money" to get started and its really easy.

All you have to do it click on the Casino (http://www.thedarktower.org/palaver/casino.php) button in the tool bar above.

Choose the Sports Betting Pool (http://www.thedarktower.org/palaver/casino.php?do=sportspool) option on the left

Place a little bet in one of the options for each game. You could bet on both but only one will pay

How the pool of money is paid is spelled out at the bottom of the page.

It takes like 5 minutes and could be a fun for those of us that like to lay a bit on outcomes like me. :rock:

Not to mention, bragging rights every week can go in this thread. :lol:

[Matt]

Notice

I screwed up the close time for the New York Jets @ Cincinnati Bengals

The game starts at 4pm EST and the betting closes at 1PM EST

So get that one in soon :D

[MonteGss]

Cool Matt! Here's a hint for everyone:
The Vikings suck, bet against them. :lol:

[Ikilledthecrimsonking]

Monte i hate the vikings to
GO PACKERS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
5 and 1

[Matt]

Cool Matt! Here's a hint for everyone:
The Vikings suck, bet against them. :lol:

So go bet! :lol: Running out of time to get in this week :clap:

[MonteGss]

I guess I don't understand the betting. I bet on two games today. $50 on one game, which I lost and $100 on another, which I won. My money hasn't changed though.
*is confused*

[Matt]

I haven't paid out on the games yet Monte. This week has been a bit busy. :lol:

I plan to get a list off the internet today

[Matt]

I guess I don't understand the betting. I bet on two games today. $50 on one game, which I lost and $100 on another, which I won. My money hasn't changed though.
*is confused*

What were the games and the outcomes Monte? I can pay those two as a test for the thing. :rock:

[Ikilledthecrimsonking]

oh man its packers by week

[MonteGss]

I haven't paid out on the games yet Monte. This week has been a bit busy. :lol:

I plan to get a list off the internet today

:lol: Well, that would explain it! No worries Matt, thanks for the info!

I bet 50 that the Bears would lose. I also bet 100 that the Vikings would lose (cuz they really suck).

[Matt]

All bets (except tonights game) should be settled now. :rock:

[Matt]

This weekends football games are up. Its a great way to try and win some money so go on out and bet :rock:

Just click on the Casino at the top>Sports Betting Pool>make your bets.

[Randall Flagg]

A fresh week of betting on the NFL awaits you.
All the games are up.

[Storyslinger]

Hooray

[Matt]

Great!

I've done pretty well on these, throwing a little on even spread. :ninja:

^has no idea what that means :lol:

[Randall Flagg]

Great!

I've done pretty well on these, throwing a little on even spread. :ninja:

^has no idea what that means :lol:

Proper nomenclature might be-"I laid the wood on that one and won!." (gave up the points and the favorite covered.)

[Matt]

:D

Collection and Football betting lingo!! Who could ask for more. :lol:

[Randall Flagg]

A full slate of NFL games are up for this weekend.
Can the Patriots cover 16 points?
Will the Cowboys slaughter the Redskins?
Go place a bet!

[Matt]

:excited:

I have been doing pretty well on this

[Randall Flagg]

Thanksgiving games are up. Place your bets!

[Spencer]

grrr I just lost all my money at blackjack again lol

[Randall Flagg]

Sunday and Monday NFL games are up. Place a bet!

[Randall Flagg]

Thursday's Cowboy Packer game is up and available for bets.
I even put an Over/Under line up.

[Lance]

I finally get a Monday night off and the most boring game in the history of MNF is played. <_<

[Randall Flagg]

I agree. The condition of the "field" was inexcusable.

[Randall Flagg]

Tonights game is available for wagering in the Casino!

[Randall Flagg]

Sunday games and MNF are up.
Can New England cover 10.5 points against the Steelers?
Will the Cowboys crush Detroit?
Favre should play, can Green Bay beat Oakland by 10.5 points?
Place a bet.

[Spencer]

Brett Favre, after living a full life, died.
When he got to heaven, God was showing him around. They came to a modest little house with a faded Packer flag in the window.

"This house is yours for eternity, Brett," said God. "This is very special; not everyone gets a house up here."

Brett felt special, indeed, and walked up to his house. On his way up the porch, he noticed another house just around the corner. It was a 3-story mansion with a Silver and Blue sidewalk, a 50-foot flagpole with an enormous Blue Star flag, and in every window, a "How 'Bout Them Cowboys" sign.

Brett looked at God and said, "God, I don't mean to be ungrateful, but I have a question: I was an all-pro QB, I won the Super Bowl, and I even went to the hall of fame." God asked "So what do you want to know, Brett?"

"Well, why does Tony Romo get a better house than me?"

God chuckled and said "Brett, that's not Tony's house... it's mine."

[Lance]

We've decided at work than whenever someone quits in the middle of their shift (we had two just last week) we're going to say they "pulled a Patrino" Personally I was glad to see his ass go. He sucked big time.

[Randall Flagg]

Thursday nights game is up in the Casino.
Come on. Can the Steelers cover 8 points?
Put up a few bucks.

[Randall Flagg]

Tomorrows Cowboy Vs. Panther game is up. 10.5 Points. Lot of wood for the 'Boys to cover.
Place a bet!

[Randall Flagg]

All of this weekends NFL games are up and available for wagering.

[Jon]

Tonights game is available for wagering in the Casino!

As is my wife!

[Randall Flagg]

This weekends games are up.
Strange lines with playoff seeding almost completely decided. Who would think the Titans would be favored over the Colts?
The Texans over the Jaguars?
Toss a few bucks ups and see.

[Matt]

I put some serious money down this week :ninja:

[dbarnetth]

Okay. I placed some bets.

Was something like this done for the Bowl games and I just can't find it?

Will something like this be done for March Madness?

[Randall Flagg]

I did not set up any Bowl games, but I will consider some big ones like the Rose Bowl etc.
I am not sure about March Madness as their are a tons of games to post a line on. I might do all of them, or perhaps just the sweet 16 onwards.

[She-Oy]

I'd like to thank this thread for existing because it just reminded me that Alabama is playing today.

Roll Tide!

[dbarnetth]

I did not set up any Bowl games, but I will consider some big ones like the Rose Bowl etc.
I am not sure about March Madness as their are a tons of games to post a line on. I might do all of them, or perhaps just the sweet 16 onwards.

Oh, ok. I have no idea what goes into all this. I didn't know if it was the sort of thing where you could just post a bracket or something.

[Spencer]

How would you feel about the Patriots winning? If Dallas ain't in it, I usually don't care who wins, as long as it ain't the Redskins, but, this year, I REALLY don't wanna see the Patriots win, not because I don't want another undefeated team, but because of how they conduct themselves. How do people feel about this?

[TerribleT]

but because of how they conduct themselves. How do people feel about this?

Can you be a little more specific, I've heard a lot of criticism.

For my part, I'm just not ready to see that record go down yet. I like the Dolphins getting together each year and popping champagne. It's just one of those constants. I think if the Pats don't win the Super Bowl, it makes their perfect season pretty meaningless.

[Spencer]

For one, the whole videotaping thing.

For two, Bill Belichick running up the score on folks, going for it on 4th and 8 when up by 40 points and stuff like that. His response to criticism was "What do you want us to do, kick field goals?" Yet he has NO problem kicking field goals when they're behind or the game is close, the Patriots kicked 3 field goals in the Giants game alone. Many feel that he's being childish and trying to either A)get back at the NFL for punishing him in some weird petty way, or B)somehow "prove" that the videotaping wasn't why they won all those Super Bowls. (I'll get to that in a minute.) I'm not sure how running up the score against teams who had no chance of beating you anyway proves anything, but whatever.

Finally, Tom Brady. The guy is a jackass, pure and simple. I could choose any number of quotes, but the one I'll go with is right after the Ravens game, in which every time the Patriots were stopped on 4th down on their final drive, they were given a new set of downs, and finally given a TD on a very controversial call that was upheld on replay even though the receiver looked to be bobbling the ball as he went out of bounds. One of those new sets of downs came not on a official's call, but because the Ravens Defensive coordinator called time out before the play, negating the Ravens stopping Brady on a QB sneak. When asked about how lucky he felt about the time out being called, Brady says "It didn't matter, because if they hadn't called time out I'd have gotten the first down anyway. I heard the whistle. I stopped." First, the video shows something VERY different. Second, how old are you, 5? Just after this, he says "I said I was only answering two questions, I'm outta here." Of course he has no problem staying for quite a while and chatting it up after a big win,. Anyway, there's lots more, but I'll let that one speak for itself.

[Spencer]

It's been a minute. :lol: I'll get to those Super Bowls, things look REAL suspicious if you look at the 2nd half of the Super Bowl with the Eagles as compared to the 1st half. Here's an article on that game in general:


PHILADELPHIA (AP) -- Sheldon Brown and the Eagles hoped a blitz would rattle Tom Brady.

One problem: Every time the Eagles rushed Brady in the Super Bowl, the Patriots nullified the defensive attack with screen passes. Lots of them. On almost every play defensive coordinator Jim Johnson called for a blitz, the Patriots used the short pass to confuse the Eagles.

After the Patriots beat the Eagles 24-21 in 2005 to win the Lombardi Trophy, Brown thought the Patriots beat them with nothing but sharp offensive playcalling. Now, he's not so sure.

With spying accusations leveled this week against the Patriots, some of the Eagles left from the NFC title team are wondering if New England used bootleg film to their advantage in the Super Bowl.

"Do I think about it? Mmm hmmm," said Brown, their starting cornerback. "It's crazy. I just don't know how far back it goes. Something's not right about that."

Pro Bowl safety Brian Dawkins found the accusations troublesome.

"Now there's always going to be questions about the situation," Dawkins said Thursday. "Was it great adjustments at halftime or what?"

Pittsburgh wide receiver Hines Ward said this week that he suspected the Patriots had some type of inside information on the Steelers before at least one of the teams' two AFC championship game matchups since the 2001 season. While Ward said the Patriots knew a lot of Pittsburgh's calls, none of the Eagles could offer any type of solid proof of any shenanigans.

"For me to think back two years ago about something they may or may not have done, it's not worth my time," running back Brian Westbrook said.

New England beat the New York Jets in last Sunday's season opener in which an on-field video camera focusing on Jets coaches was confiscated from a Patriots employee.

On Thursday, New England coach Bill Belichick was fined the NFL maximum of $500,000 and the Patriots were ordered to pay $250,000 for spying on an opponent's defensive signals. NFL commissioner Roger Goodell also ordered the team to give up next year's first-round draft choice if it reaches the playoffs and second- and third-round picks if it doesn't.

"I would like to think it's just one team doing it, but it doesn't shock me that it happened," Dawkins said.

Some Eagles said occasional signal-stealing is an accepted part of the game. But they believe what the Patriots are accused of doing crosses the football morality line because it threatens the integrity of the game.

"It's different if you're talking about recording it," Dawkins said. "What can you do if you try to signal a play in?"

Eagles coach Andy Reid steered away from questions about the alleged cheating other than to say he has no doubts New England's victory was legitimate.

"That's something Bill and the Patriots are working through," Reid said.

Brown said he noticed a difference in New England's playcalling in the second quarter. After the Patriots gained only 45 yards in the first quarter, they had 286 over the next three.

Brady hit running back Corey Dillon and gained 29 total yards on a pair of screens to open New England's first full drive of the second quarter. They didn't score on that drive, but did on four of the next five drives.

The Patriots went to the screen pass again on the decisive drive early in the fourth quarter, this time with Brady connecting with Kevin Faulk on two passes for 27 yards.

"I was like, 'Man, I never saw that many screens," Brown said.

Brown wonders if it was normal playcalling from a team good enough to win three Super Bowls in four seasons, a Patriots team that used a strong scouting report to gain a fair edge, or was somebody picking up the Eagles defensive calls from a sideline camera that deprived them of a fair shot?

"I think they should forfeit, man," said punt returner Reno Mahe, smiling. "We won the Super Bowl. I think we should get it. I'm going to go trade my NFC championship ring for a Super Bowl ring."

The headline over a picture of Belichick on the back page of Thursday's Philadelphia Daily News might have said it all: "Counterfeit RING: Spy Scandal Helps Explain Birds' Super Bowl Loss."

Hey, maybe the illicit tape would show once and for all if Donovan McNabb really did get sick in the huddle late in the game. Remember, that was Philadelphia's first excuse for losing.

McNabb -- who insisted the Eagles would never stoop to those kind of tactics -- was surprised to hear the allegations against the Patriots. But he said the suspicions might be overblown.

"One thing people are forgetting is that even if you have the answers to the test, you still have to take the test," he said. "If they have an idea of what's coming, those guys still have to be able to execute the play."

That doesn't mean McNabb won't clear some space in his jewelry box. For a city that last saw a pro team win a championship nearly 25 years ago, the Eagles might accept a retroactive one.

"Maybe we'll get our ring back," said a chuckling McNabb. "Maybe we'll get the real one."

[Spencer]

One last thing. You know those radios inside the QBs helmet so he can communicate with the coach? They just never seem to be able to work for the visiting QB when the game is in New England. The announcers usually notice it enough to mention it, and I've heard it countless times, most recently in the Jets game a few weeks ago where they mention that the Jets QB is waving frantically to the sideline and indicating he can't hear the play being called, and they surmise that his radio isn't working.

[Randall Flagg]

OK. This weekends 4 NFL wildcard games are posted as well as Mondays BCS college football game.

[Spencer]

OK. This weekends 4 NFL wildcard games are posted as well as Mondays BCS college football game.

Sweet!

And, as an aside, have I just started a football discussion in the wrong thread? :lol: If this is only for the pool stuff, I can start a new one.

[TerribleT]

On running up the score...I agree with Tom Jackson. If you don't like, it stop it.

Instant replay sucks, it should be done away with. It has failed to eliminate controversy, and it slows and disrupts the game.

There's lots worse jackasses in the NFL than Brady. T.O. comes to mind, along with Randy Moss, Dieon Sanders, ad naseum.

[Spencer]

There's lots worse jackasses in the NFL than Brady. T.O. comes to mind, along with Randy Moss, Dieon Sanders, ad naseum.

:lol:

I'm with ya there. Moss is another one on that team that has always irked me, no matter what team he's been on.

[Spencer]

and speaking of Moss:


"I don't think me breaking Jerry Rice's record is special," Moss said. "I think shutting you guys up is what made it special, all the negativity, all my critics."

Jackass.

[Randall Flagg]

The NFL Divisional Playoffs are up and available for wagering.
I have "moved" the line for the Patriots-Jaguars game a bit to encourage wagering.
16 Points is a lot of wood to give.

[Ruthful]

Moss, Brady and Belichick are the trifecta of asshattery.

[Jon]

Moss, Brady and Belichick are the trifecta of asshattery.


:rofl: :lol: :lol:

[Ruthful]

Shades of Brokeback Mountain:

http://assets.espn.go.com/photo/2007/0109/nfl_g_belichick_mangini_275.jpg

You almost expected Belichick to slam Mangenius in the face, Jack Twist style, once the camera panned away.

[Jon]

Shades of Brokeback Mountain:

http://assets.espn.go.com/photo/2007/0109/nfl_g_belichick_mangini_275.jpg

You almost expected Belichick to slam Mangenius in the face, Jack Twist style, once the camera panned away.


I'd pay to see that!!!

[Ruthful]

Shades of Brokeback Mountain:

http://assets.espn.go.com/photo/2007/0109/nfl_g_belichick_mangini_275.jpg

You almost expected Belichick to slam Mangenius in the face, Jack Twist style, once the camera panned away.


I'd pay to see that!!!

Are any of Belichick's assistant coaches interviewing for jobs this week?

[jayson]

I'm with ya there. Moss is another one on that team that has always irked me, no matter what team he's been on.

I second that. He's the football equivalent of Scottie Pippen. He's got miles of talent, but at some point you know damn well that the if the ball isn't coming to him, he's gonna phone it in. were i a GM, i wouldn't take him.

[Jon]

The "Hawks got their first true "test" this season and failed. Their division was sooo lame!

[Spencer]

Now how could the Cowboys, and ESPECIALLY Romo and Phillips, not be the most intense Sunday, knowing from experience that it's THIS game you have to win, THIS moment you've gotta make a play, doesn't matter how many times you did it before, if you don't do it now, you're done?

There's definitely some mental work to be done. If their heads aren't in it, Darren McFadden won't help a bit. Weirdly enough, Romo actually said it best: "I’m not playing this game to come out here and make the playoffs." I just wish he'd played like he meant it.

[Randall Flagg]

The NFL Championship games are up and available for betting.
Someone has already laid a grand on the Patriots and the Packers.

I think I am going to try to put up some wacky bets for the Superbowl.
Things like the coin flip, over/under, whether a safety will occurr etc.

[Jon]

I love those odd bets.

May I suggest the sum of the final score and you must be within 5..any ties split the dough.

[Randall Flagg]

That will be tough, as the way it is set up I have to post either/or type of choices.

[jayson]

RF - I'm all for the odd bets on the Super Bowl. If the Patriots are in it, it's possible the odd bets may be the only thing to make it interesting. Too bad we couldn't go back in time and bet on whether or not T.O. would cry if the Cowboys lost. That's my fav moment in sports so far in 2008.

[Ruthful]

RF - I'm all for the odd bets on the Super Bowl. If the Patriots are in it, it's possible the odd bets may be the only thing to make it interesting. Too bad we couldn't go back in time and bet on whether or not T.O. would cry if the Cowboys lost. That's my fav moment in sports so far in 2008.

He misted.

I won't believe he cried until they show infrared images of what was happening behind those shades.

[jayson]

He misted.

I won't believe he cried until they show infrared images of what was happening behind those shades.

Maybe with the sound off. With the sound on, he was wat I always thought he was, a crybaby.

[Ruthful]

I'm still amazed that The Giants shut him down so decisively.

Shades of his days with the 49ers.

[Spencer]

Here's some wacky bets:

Whether or not Jessica Simpson will be mentioned

Over/Under on length of halftime show

Over/Under on the amount of times the losing Coach says "If"

Whether or not "The Catch" will be shown, as it always manages to be, even though it didn't happen in a Super Bowl. :lol:


If the Patriots make the Super Bowl:

Over/Under on the use of the word "Spygate"

Over/Under on the use of the word "asterisk"

If the Patriots win, whether or not Belechick says "This win was pretty good, but now we're focusing on next season's opening game."

Over/Under on amount of times Tom Brady says "Team."

Whether or not Randy Moss leaves the stadium in custody.

Whether or not the annoying "AWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAH!!!" Is shown in the locker room.

[jayson]

If the Patriots make the Super Bowl:

if that happens, don't forget the over/under on how many times we'll hear "is this the greatest team ever?" as if the 78 Steelers or 89 49'ers wouldn't wipe the floor with them.

[TerribleT]

If the Patriots make the Super Bowl:

if that happens, don't forget the over/under on how many times we'll hear "is this the greatest team ever?" as if the 78 Steelers or 89 49'ers wouldn't wipe the floor with them.

I dunno man, the Pats have some pretty awesome linbackers, a great offensive line, good QB, good recievers, and they have a pretty balanced team. Whether they are the greatest team or not will always be up for debate. It's kinda like the Patrick Roy/Terry Sawchuck thing, can you really compare them. I will always swear Roy is the god of goaltenders, but Sawchuck played without a goalie mask. *shrug* The Pats are a good team, Brady is a good QB, I have a MAJOR mancrush on Junior Seau, Bruschi....etc... Would Bradshaw survive with the complexity of today's game? He's not the brightest bulb, if yanno what I mean. I love Montana, and he's maybe my favorite QB of all time, but Brady has a better arm, and he's as accurate, if not more. Bellichick is a good coach too. I think if they go undefeated, you gotta give them their due, many teams have been close, all have failed except the Dolphins.

[Ruthful]

As much as I hate The Patriots, it's going to be hard to convince me that they're not the best team IF they run the table. You could make the argument that the old Cowboys, Steelers and 49ers teams were more well-rounded-it's kind of hard to disagree when you look at how hard The Pats' defense sucks this season-but I don't think you could make a persuasive case that those teams were better if the Pats go 19-0.

[Randall Flagg]

Here's some wacky bets:

Whether or not Jessica Simpson will be mentioned

Over/Under on length of halftime show

Over/Under on the amount of times the losing Coach says "If"

Whether or not "The Catch" will be shown, as it always manages to be, even though it didn't happen in a Super Bowl. :lol:


If the Patriots make the Super Bowl:

Over/Under on the use of the word "Spygate"

Over/Under on the use of the word "asterisk"

If the Patriots win, whether or not Belechick says "This win was pretty good, but now we're focusing on next season's opening game."

Over/Under on amount of times Tom Brady says "Team."

Whether or not Randy Moss leaves the stadium in custody.

Whether or not the annoying "AWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAH!!!" Is shown in the locker room.

Who will keep track of these?
Great ideas, but I will be in Hawaii, and unable to track odd items.

[jayson]

but I don't think you could make a persuasive case that those teams were better if the Pats go 19-0.

Sure I can make a persuasive case. Those teams had to play against defenses before the rules changed to allow more scoring. Rice /Taylor and Stallworth/Swann had to make their plays against db's who were allowed to touch them.

[TerribleT]

but I don't think you could make a persuasive case that those teams were better if the Pats go 19-0.

Sure I can make a persuasive case. Those teams had to play against defenses before the rules changed to allow more scoring. Rice /Taylor and Stallworth/Swann had to make their plays against db's who were allowed to touch them.

That gets into the different eras thing. Let's see *IF* they do it first though. This might be a lot of wasted air. Ink? Bandwidth? whatever, you get the idea...

[Ruthful]

Good point.

Who do you think Belichick would rather face, The Giants or The Packers?

I would say The Giants. Notwithstanding Grant's pretty good running game, I think The Packers are still a very one-dimensional team. You're not going to see them score on special teams-which is a threat with The Giants-plus they don't have as much depth, e.g. they have a much better secondary, but if the first string gets injured they don't have the type of reserves you can call on, a la The Giants.

If I were Belichick the only thing I'd be worried about is getting a good pass rush on Favre. In the alternate scenario there are four or five different options, at least, I'd have to worry about.

[jayson]

Ruthful - I'd say the Giants bc they've already played them once this year and can scout from direct experience. Also, I'd sooner face Eli than Favre any day.

TT - I think it's important to consider eras and context. Both the changes in the rules and the fact that there are more teams [allowing for a dilution of the talent pool] have to be considered when looking at a modern era team's accomplishments. That is to take nothing away from the Patriots. They've beaten everyone on the schedule, that's an accomplishment, but I don't see them stacking up against either of the two teams I named previously. Record alone doesn't make a team the greatest. Consider how few people refer to the 72 Dolphins as the greatest ever. Undefeated, yes, but greatest? Few if any make that claim.

[TerribleT]

The problem is I don't think either team represents a really huge threat to the Pats. I think San Diego probably has the best chance of beating them of the remaining teams. I think if SD comes out and gets a solid running game out of LT (is he going to play? I haven't heard.), and if Merryman and company bring their A-game, maybe SD can get the job done. I think one of the best ways to beat Brady and company is by having him sitting on the sidelines. So I think it's really important that SD's run game gets the job done. I've always said the same of Manning.

I agree the Packers are pretty one dimensional, but what a fuckin dimension!!! I'm freakin AMAZED by Favre this year, but he's soo iffy. He'll come out and start throwing interceptions one week, and then he can't miss the next. Green Bay seems to have a good D, and the Giants have looked good defensively. I think Eli is a huge question mark for them too. But when I biol it all down, unless the football gods frown on the Pats, I really don't see any of the remaining teams beating them.


I would like to see the Pats offense against the Steel Curtain. I wonder how they'd deal with Lambert, Hamm, Mean Joe Greene et al... Lynn Swann was/is one of my favorite recievers, and I wonder how he'd do against the Pats D. I'd love to see a Brady/Montana matchup. I think Montana might chew up the Pats D, but then you have to wonder how much faster defenses are today. Would Swann be covered like a blanket by todays defensive backs?

[jayson]

I would like to see the Pats offense against the Steel Curtain. I wonder how they'd deal with Lambert, Hamm, Mean Joe Greene et al... Lynn Swann was/is one of my favorite recievers, and I wonder how he'd do against the Pats D. I'd love to see a Brady/Montana matchup. I think Montana might chew up the Pats D, but then you have to wonder how much faster defenses are today. Would Swann be covered like a blanket by todays defensive backs?

For me the question is not could Swann make it against a modern DB. They are fast, but not so much faster that it would make a difference. The true difference is in the style of play. Randy Moss would be shut down entirely by a pre-rules change defense that was allowed to touch him.

[Jon]

I wonder how they would stack up against the Dallas "Doomsday Defense" or the '72 fins.

[TerribleT]

I would like to see the Pats offense against the Steel Curtain. I wonder how they'd deal with Lambert, Hamm, Mean Joe Greene et al... Lynn Swann was/is one of my favorite recievers, and I wonder how he'd do against the Pats D. I'd love to see a Brady/Montana matchup. I think Montana might chew up the Pats D, but then you have to wonder how much faster defenses are today. Would Swann be covered like a blanket by todays defensive backs?

For me the question is not could Swann make it against a modern DB. They are fast, but not so much faster that it would make a difference. The true difference is in the style of play. Randy Moss would be shut down entirely by a pre-rules change defense that was allowed to touch him.

I dunno dude, I think a lot of these guys are bigger, stronger, and faster than those guys. I think what you say is a pretty valid point though. There have been rules changes which dramatically change the style of play.

[TerribleT]

I wonder how they would stack up against the Dallas "Doomsday Defense" or the '72 fins.

It's too freakin bad we can't take teams and players of one era, and drop them into competition with teams and player of another one. Could Babe Ruth even hit modern day pitching? How would Dick Butkus fair against Terrel Davis? Could he even catch John Elway, and if he did, what would he do with him?

[Spencer]

If the Patriots make the Super Bowl:

if that happens, don't forget the over/under on how many times we'll hear "is this the greatest team ever?" as if the 78 Steelers or 89 49'ers wouldn't wipe the floor with them.

I'd throw in the 93 Cowboys with that group.

and while we're talking about what's toughest, I'll make a quick argument for the toughest division in the NFL this year. The Patriots only trailed during the 2nd half 4 times this year, to the Cowboys, Eagles, Ravens, and Giants.

[TerribleT]

and while we're talking about what's toughest, I'll make a quick argument for the toughest division in the NFL this year. The Patriots only trailed during the 2nd half 4 times this year, to the Cowboys, Eagles, Ravens, and Giants.

So do you think the Giants can beat them?

[Spencer]

I think the Giants or Packers CAN beat them, but CAN and WILL are two different things. :lol:

[jayson]

Could Babe Ruth even hit modern day pitching?


Stay in his own era even. How would Babe Ruth fared if he had to play against African-Americans who were barred from the majors in his time?


I'll make a quick argument for the toughest division in the NFL this year. The Patriots only trailed during the 2nd half 4 times this year, to the Cowboys, Eagles, Ravens, and Giants.

Spencer, no doubt the NFC East was the toughest this year [they put three teams in the playoffs]. However, how much longer is that geographical bullshit called the NFC East going to remain that way? It is preposterous for Dallas to be in that division since there are so many other teams in the NFC that are East of Texas.

[Ruthful]

Spencer, no doubt the NFC East was the toughest this year [they put three teams in the playoffs]. However, how much longer is that geographical bullshit called the NFC East going to remain that way? It is preposterous for Dallas to be in that division since there are so many other teams in the NFC that are East of Texas.

I hope they don't change it. The NFC East has been the best division in the NFL on a consistent basis, and the intra-division rivalries between Philly, D.C., Dallas and New York can't even be approached elsewhere, IMO.

[Erin]

Oh Green Bay. So long. *tear*

[Ruthful]

Al Harris (S-Green Bay)

[Still Servant]

As a Giants fan I'm absolutely elated to have my team in the Super Bowl. Never thought it would happen this year.

I think the Giants can beat the Patriots, but I just think it's going to be too big of a task. I just want them to play a good game. In 2000 they got blown out. As a fan, there's nothing worse than that.

[Ruthful]

It'll be hard not to improve upon their last SB performance. Unless they go onto the field naked and proceed to eat the grass I don't really think they can embarrass themselves, especially when their last appearance was a rout served up courtesy of Trent Dilfer, the ne plus ultra of barely competent NFL QBs.

[Ruthful]

As a fan, there's nothing worse than that.

Yes, yes there is.

Getting blown out by a team skippered by Trent Dilfer.

[John Blaze]

Here's some wacky bets:

Whether or not Jessica Simpson will be mentioned

Over/Under on length of halftime show

Over/Under on the amount of times the losing Coach says "If"

Whether or not "The Catch" will be shown, as it always manages to be, even though it didn't happen in a Super Bowl. :lol:


If the Patriots make the Super Bowl:

Over/Under on the use of the word "Spygate"

Over/Under on the use of the word "asterisk"

If the Patriots win, whether or not Belechick says "This win was pretty good, but now we're focusing on next season's opening game."

Over/Under on amount of times Tom Brady says "Team."

Whether or not Randy Moss leaves the stadium in custody.

Whether or not the annoying "AWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAH!!!" Is shown in the locker room.

How about the use of the world Nipplegate?

I'm sick and fucken tired of these news people attaching gate to every fucken thing.

and by thw way, "The Catch" although only an nfc game, is still one of the best fucken plays in history.
Niners baby!

[Still Servant]

As a fan, there's nothing worse than that.

Yes, yes there is.

Getting blown out by a team skippered by Trent Dilfer.

I like to think the Ravens defense had a little bit more to do with it, but I get your point.

Also, people forget that the Giants ran back an interception for a touchdown early in that game to take the lead. It was called back due to defensive holding on the Giants defensive tackle, a call that to this day I have never seen called again. One of the worst calls of all time.

A major turning point in that game. I'm not saying they would have won. I'm just saying the game would have been a lot different

[Jon]

Great catches. How about "The Immaculate Reception?"
I saw that live and am STILL not sure it was a reception. But they show it every season. I hope someday that film wears out.

Friggin' Franco "run out of bounds to avoid the hit" Harris!

[Ruthful]

I like to think the Ravens defense had a little bit more to do with it, but I get your point.


Yeah, it really was their defense that took apart The Giants. Still, it's not the same thing as the '85 Bears-whose team was so relentless and impressive that you kind of forgot that their starting QB was Jim McMahon. Whenever someone uses Trent Dilfer as the example non pareil of why you don't need a good QB to win a championship the unspoken corollary to that is that you can get your ass kicked by a team "led" by a QB as pathetic as Trent Dilfer, and the "you" in this case is The Giants.

:doh:

I didn't remember the touchdown call back though.

[Still Servant]

I like to think the Ravens defense had a little bit more to do with it, but I get your point.


Yeah, it really was their defense that took apart The Giants. Still, it's not the same thing as the '85 Bears-whose team was so relentless and impressive that you kind of forgot that their starting QB was Jim McMahon. Whenever someone uses Trent Dilfer as the example non pareil of why you don't need a good QB to win a championship the unspoken corollary to that is that you can get your ass kicked by a team "led" by a QB as pathetic as Trent Dilfer, and the "you" in this case is The Giants.

:doh:

I didn't remember the touchdown call back though.

Every sports franchise has its dark moments.

I'd rather have my team get their ass kicked in the Super Bowl than not make it there at all.

[TerribleT]

I like to think the Ravens defense had a little bit more to do with it, but I get your point.


Yeah, it really was their defense that took apart The Giants. Still, it's not the same thing as the '85 Bears-whose team was so relentless and impressive that you kind of forgot that their starting QB was Jim McMahon. Whenever someone uses Trent Dilfer as the example non pareil of why you don't need a good QB to win a championship the unspoken corollary to that is that you can get your ass kicked by a team "led" by a QB as pathetic as Trent Dilfer, and the "you" in this case is The Giants.

:doh:



I didn't remember the touchdown call back though.


You mean one like Phil Simms? *Broncos Fan*

[TerribleT]

I'd rather have my team get their ass kicked in the Super Bowl than not make it there at all.

Having witnessed the Broncos getting their asses kicked so many times, including the worst loss in Super Bowl history to the Giants, I would tend to disagree with you. I would much rather see them not get there at all.

[Ruthful]

I realize The Giants haven't had a superstar QB since Y.A. Title, but that comparison is lulz, even coming from a Broncos fan.

:P

Dilfer is to Simms as Stephon Marbury is to Steve Nash.

[TerribleT]

:rofl:

lulz?

[Still Servant]

Yeah, your point would be made more clear if you were talking about Jeff Hostetler. Simms was a good QB.

Even though that was a running game more than anything.

[TerribleT]

I was really just trying to make a funny :) Well, except the part about not having my team in the SB, I really would prefer that they not go, as opposed to going and getting their asses stomped. That's just me, after seeing it like 4 times.

[John Blaze]

I'd rather have my team get their ass kicked in the Super Bowl than not make it there at all.

Having witnessed the Broncos getting their asses kicked so many times, including the worst loss in Super Bowl history to the Giants, I would tend to disagree with you. I would much rather see them not get there at all.

agreed. if the niners make it, i assume they win. id hate to see them lose a sb

[Lance]

I thought the Broncos loss to Joe M. and the 'niners was the worst defeat in Super Bowl history.

And I have to disagree with you a little TT. As a long time suffering Falcons fan, I loved it when they made it to the Super Bowl. Even though I knew they would probably get beat down by your Broncos (<_<) But damn if we didn't have some of the most kick ass Super Bowl parties down here. :lol:

[Still Servant]

Yeah, that's what I'm talking about Lance.

I was 10 the last time the Giants won the Super Bowl so I don't really remember it that well. So when they played the Ravens in 2000 I made sure I enjoyed it.

We had a ton of people over and had a great time. I ate up all the press leading up to the game and I plan to do the same with this game.

If the G-Men get their asses handed to them, I will be pissed but I will just start looking forward to baseball season.

[Jon]

I know the feeling. It took the Seahaws 28 years to get to the SB. Along the way they won several division championships and wildcard titles.

[John Blaze]

but they still suck :P

[TerribleT]

I thought the Broncos loss to Joe M. and the 'niners was the worst defeat in Super Bowl history.

And I have to disagree with you a little TT. As a long time suffering Falcons fan, I loved it when they made it to the Super Bowl. Even though I knew they would probably get beat down by your Broncos (<_<) But damn if we didn't have some of the most kick ass Super Bowl parties down here. :lol:

I definitely can see that. I have just been crushed under that bus a few too many times. The Broncos are one of only three teams to lose four SB's. To be honest, I don't remember for sure whether it was the 9'ers or the Giants, I do know it was the Bronocos who got beat the worst in the SB. (We try to forget the gory details and remember things like handing Dan reeves his fourth or fifth super bowl loss :D) I apologize that it happened to be the Falcons he was coaching, but I hate that fucker to this day. A decent coach woulda had 4 or 5 rings for Elway, and that fucking moron couldn't manage one.

On a different note, I loved seeing the Rockies in the World Series, because I never figured they'd make it in a hundred years, so maybe I don't think that as much as I think I do.

[Randall Flagg]

Lots of things to bet on for the Superbowl.
Safety-yes/no
Overtime-yes/no

Come on guys/gals. Place a bet-or two!

Superbowl Betting (http://www.thedarktower.org/palaver/casino.php?do=sportspool)

[Matt]

Bet, bet, bet!!

[John Blaze]

i got my squares today, fucken numbers SUCK! I got NFC 9 to AFC 4 and NFC 8 to AFC 5.

Now that I see them again, 9-4 isn't a bad square....

[Randall Flagg]

You never know. I won the final score one year with 5-0 (Niners 55, San Diego 10).

[Jon]

I once won a Cupe Doll!!

[Lance]

I hate to admit it, but I've come to love all the hoopla involed with Super Sunday. Fox has had some cool stuff on today.

[jayson]

i haven't watched a second of coverage yet. there's a hockey game going into the third at 3-3 with a lot of physical play, i can wait for football. i'll be there by kick-off.

[Lance]

Now that was a kick ass game. One of the best since Montana to Taylor.

[NeedfulKings]

That was one of the most exciting games in a LOOONG time! Congrats to you Giants fans! :)

[ATG]

I NEVER watch football. I didn't know who was playing until yesterday but I watched the game from the 2nd quarter on.

It was great.

[NeedfulKings]

This was a good place to start, ATG. It was pretty close for a Super Bowl. Most are blowouts.

[Jon]

My only beef is the MVP. I though the punter pinning the Pats inside the 20 all night did the team more good.

[Lance]

My only beef is the MVP. I though the punter pinning the Pats inside the 20 all night did the team more good.

I have to disagree with you on that one Jon. While the punter was crucial to the win, it has to be Eli's ice water decisions on third downs that won the game. I think they said that he converted more third downs than any QB is Super Bowl history. Hell, the Pats had three players with a hand on his jersey when he made that completion to Smith.

[Ruthful]

:excited:

I never thought I'd enjoy chanting "Boston sucks" for five uninterrupted minutes, but there you go.

18-1.

[Jon]

My only beef is the MVP. I though the punter pinning the Pats inside the 20 all night did the team more good.

I have to disagree with you on that one Jon. While the punter was crucial to the win, it has to be Eli's ice water decisions on third downs that won the game. I think they said that he converted more third downs than any QB is Super Bowl history. Hell, the Pats had three players with a hand on his jersey when he made that completion to Smith.


May Satan rein his fiery piss down upon you for disagreeing with me


You make a good point but Manning would be nothing if Brady had been on the field more by having good field position. I recall him (Brady) making a few bad throws because he was hurried into a decision in his own end zone...that was a direct result of the punt. Brady made a few more bad decisions because of his field position.

I just hate to see the "point scoring guys" get the MVP every time

Last year's MVP did not deserve it either...that is...there were more deserving players.


And...HAPPY BIRTHDAY!!

[jayson]

My only beef is the MVP. I though the punter pinning the Pats inside the 20 all night did the team more good.

Agreed Jon, Feagles' punting was a major advantage for the Giants. And if not Feagles, than Tyree. He had one TD, and one of the most amazing game-saving catches I have ever seen. Eli was very good, but Tyree was better, and Feagles fits the V in the MVP for last night better than any of them. Either way, who cares, the whole "best team ever" nonsense is finally over. Take that Bellichick!!!!!

[CRinVA]

That was one of the most exciting games in a LOOONG time! Congrats to you Giants fans! :)

Thanks Bill!

[CRinVA]

My only beef is the MVP. I though the punter pinning the Pats inside the 20 all night did the team more good.

The punter was good but he was not the MVP. If Manning had not performed as he did we Giant fans would be crying in our beer. When he scrambled out of that for sure sack to throw for 30 yards he saved the game! And more than once he threaded the needle with his passes! Aned he never lost his cool on that last 80+ yard drive!

[Telynn]

Not that I know a huge amount about football but.... I think the Giants defense won the game. Brady was on his butt eating grass most of the game.

[NeedfulKings]

And, what's with people calling this one of the greatest "upsets"???

I'm sorry, but if it's a championship game in any sport, I don't think any result warrants the term "upset"!!! Now had Miami beat the Pats in week 15, THAT'S an upset!

Sheesh! :lol:

[NeedfulKings]

That was one of the most exciting games in a LOOONG time! Congrats to you Giants fans! :)

Thanks Bill!

Does this mean you'll leave me alone in the "Under The Sea" Slots game????

:dance: :dance: :dance:

;)

[Spencer]

And, what's with people calling this one of the greatest "upsets"???

I'm sorry, but if it's a championship game in any sport, I don't think any result warrants the term "upset"!!! Now had Miami beat the Pats in week 15, THAT'S an upset!

Sheesh! :lol:


True. The term upset here just bewildered me, especially sine the teams had played already a month before, and The Giants showed they could play on the Patriots' level. What, did they think Belichick was gonna slip some sucking pills into the Giants' pregame dinner?

[Jon]

They certainly had an answer for each of the pats weapons and almost did in week 17!


Upset...no way.

[Ruthful]

It was an upset, but all of the comparisons to The Jets victory over The Colts and N. Carolina State over Houston-or most absurdly, the U.S. over the USSR at Lake Placid-were completely absurd. It wasn't as if you were watching The Chargers beat back Steve Young and the Niners.

I think The Patriots would have crushed any other NFC playoff team, except for The Cowboys, but this was the team best-matched to compete against them on a man-to-man level-with perhaps the exception of The Colts-so I don't think people should go overboard on the "upset" theme. The term itself was taken from a race-horse who was a 7-2 shot.

[Still Servant]

Well, that was unexpected.

As a Giants fan, I still can't believe they won the Super Bowl and beat the undefeated Pats. I was 10 the last time the Giants won the SB and don't really remember it very well.

I'm going to remember this one for a long time.

[John Blaze]

lucky you.....

as for my Niners, there's always next year

[Still Servant]

My cousin is a huge Niners fan. He was rooting for the Gmen just like I've rooted for the Niners the years they won.

[John Blaze]

My cousin is a huge Niners fan. He was rooting for the Gmen just like I've rooted for the Niners the years they won.

Oh, I was rooting for the G-Men too. But I was wearing my 1989 Joe Montana Throwback, it even looked like a Giants jersey, all the non football people at the party kept asking me what position Montana played for the giants.:doh:

[Ruthful]

My cousin is a huge Niners fan. He was rooting for the Gmen just like I've rooted for the Niners the years they won.

Oh, I was rooting for the G-Men too. But I was wearing my 1989 Joe Montana Throwback, it even looked like a Giants jersey, all the non football people at the party kept asking me what position Montana played for the giants.:doh:

LOL.

I went to a bar at the South Street Seaport to watch the SB and can't tell you how pissed I was when idiots kept walking past the big screen projection of the game in order to get chicken wings and hot dogs during the first quarter. Something tells me they only read the "free buffet" part before walking into that place.

There was a guy wearing a Titans-Jets jersey who was getting reamed when the game started, mostly because the patrons thought it was a St. Louis Rams jersey. Man, those throwbacks are butt ugly.

[John Blaze]

not mine :cool: