View Full Version : The big IF thread (spoilers all around)
Letti
10-14-2007, 01:31 AM
Okay. I will not ask only one question here but many. :P
I will pop a big IF question every week (what would have happened IF) so we will have one week to discuss and share our thoughts and ideas. I guess one week is enough. If not... we can open an own thread to that question.
I wouldn't like to own this thread but I think it would be very disturbing if we had tons of questions at the same time. Let me know if you disagree.
If anyone of you has big IF questions on your mind just send me a PM and I will send it here on the next week.
1. Big If Question:
What would have happened if Susan had met Cuthbert first and not Roland?
You can find it here:
http://www.thedarktower.org/palaver/showthread.php?t=1261
The new title of the thread: Susan and Cuthbert
2. Big If Question:
What would have happened if Roland had chosen Jake and he hadn't let him drop?
You can find it here:
http://www.thedarktower.org/palaver/showthread.php?t=1263
The new title of the thread: Roland's choice
3. Big If Question:
What would have happened if Roland had never looked into the pink grapefruit?
You can find it: here!
4. Big If Question:
Would have Jones had become a good gunslinger (or I could ask would he have had any chance to become one) if he hadn't failed?
You can find it: here!
5. Big IF Question:
What would have happened IF Susannah hadn't found the Deus Ex Machina note in Dandelo's bathroom?
You can find it: here!
6. Big IF Question:
What would have happened IF Susan hadn't died so young?
You can find it: here!
7. Big IF Question:
What would have happened to Eddie if Roland had never drawn him?
You can find it: here!!! - this is the newest big IF question
Letti
10-27-2007, 09:04 AM
What would have happened if Roland had never looked into the pink grapefruit?
Storyslinger
10-29-2007, 05:32 AM
Oh, nice
I think that he would have gone back to the shed, hut, and found Susan not there. he then would have gone to the town, saw what had happen, and probably killed the whole town. Then, from there, maybe some event thats happen in Gilead wouldn't have happen. Like the daeth of his mother
MonteGss
10-29-2007, 10:14 PM
The ball would have found its way to Roland.
The ball would have found its way to Roland.
I think I agree.
Letti
10-29-2007, 11:35 PM
The ball would have found its way to Roland.
I would rather say: The Tower would have found its way to Roland.
But when... and how...
Anyway I don't think he would have killed the whole town because of Susan but he would have killed some certain people.
Storyslinger
10-30-2007, 07:39 AM
Remember though, he did erase the whole town of Tull, he is capable of it.
But, yeah, I guess i agree that the ball would have found him, or the tower to be more persice
Letti
10-30-2007, 08:07 AM
Remember though, he did erase the whole town of Tull, he is capable of it.
I think he changed a lot between the two towns. Many years had passed since Mejis.
Letti
10-30-2007, 08:09 AM
The ball would have found its way to Roland.
I think I agree.
And why? I ask it because you don't believe in ka so your answer must be interesting. Anyway I am not aka person either but I agree, too.
Storyslinger
10-30-2007, 08:12 AM
Remember though, he did erase the whole town of Tull, he is capable of it.
I think he changed a lot between the two towns. Many years had passed since Mejis.
True, that was difinitly a different Roland
The ball would have found its way to Roland.
I think I agree.
And why? I ask it because you don't believe in ka so your answer must be interesting. Anyway I am not aka person either but I agree, too.
Because there are forces at work in the world, other than ka. I also noticed that questions raised in this thread deserve a thread each, because they take time and consideration. I'm still at Question One, and whether love depends on its object.
:lol:
So am I and I totally missed the second one which I really liked. I believe dropping Jake was THE turning point for Roland.
With Susan, he could have excused it but not with Jake. He murdered that kid for the tower, plain and simple
Letti
10-31-2007, 01:22 AM
The ball would have found its way to Roland.
I think I agree.
And why? I ask it because you don't believe in ka so your answer must be interesting. Anyway I am not aka person either but I agree, too.
Because there are forces at work in the world, other than ka.
It sounds very interesting. May I know more about these forces? What do you mean by them?
Letti
11-08-2007, 11:25 PM
Would have Jones had become a good gunslinger (or I could ask would he have had any chance to become one) if he hadn't failed?
I am rereading W&G and this question comes to my mind quite often somehow... I don't really know why... he failed... but still this question doesn't let me go.
Brice
11-08-2007, 11:54 PM
I don't think it was within him to ever be a gunslinger at all.
If he could ever have become a good gunslinger, I believe he wouldn't have failed.
MonteGss
11-09-2007, 04:37 PM
I agree with Jean, absolutely.
Letti
11-10-2007, 06:00 AM
Yeah, Jean's answer seems to be perfect but still... is that really so simple?
If you fail it's impossible for you to become a good gunslinger
if you pass you can become a good gunslinger.
Anyway...
if you pass is it sure that you will become a good gunslinger? Or can you join the dark side after that?
For my part I think if you pass it doesn't mean that you must become a good gunslinger. What do you think? It's a forever fight... to stand and be true. Not to forget the face of your father.
But if a passed gunslinger can turn bad... is it so impossible for a failed one to become good?
I don't know guys... my mind is running.
Let me know your thoughts.
Darkthoughts
11-10-2007, 09:51 AM
Well, it seemed to me in the comic that Jonas was a victim of circumstance. I don't have them here right now as I lent them to my sister...but didn't Jonas only "become" bad because some shards of the mirror flew in his eyes? Or was he wronged by someone and didn't get over it...man, I really can't remember :lol:
If you fail it's impossible for you to become a good gunslinger
if you pass you can become a good gunslinger.
No. What I meant was: you pass if you already are a gunslinger, and you fail if you're not. It's your training, your education, your personality, your nature, some features you have or don't, inclinations of your soul and where your heart is that make you one, not anything that happens during or after the test. I even hope it's that which Monte was agreeing with.
Storyslinger
11-10-2007, 05:11 PM
I just think that Jonas heart was tainted from the start, ka was not on his side
MonteGss
11-12-2007, 05:51 PM
If you fail it's impossible for you to become a good gunslinger
if you pass you can become a good gunslinger.
No. What I meant was: you pass if you already are a gunslinger, and you fail if you're not. It's your training, your education, your personality, your nature, some features you have or don't, inclinations of your soul and where your heart is that make you one, not anything that happens during or after the test. I even hope it's that which Monte was agreeing with.
Yes, that is how I feel as well. You are a born gunslinger or you're a chump not. :)
Letti
11-20-2007, 03:42 AM
Don't you have a good big IF question on your mind? I'll send a new one with pleasure but I am sure you have much better ones in your pockets. :)
Letti
11-21-2007, 02:16 AM
And here is coming a new big IF question from Lisa. :wub: Thank you for it, again.
Ladies and gentlemen!
What would have happened IF Susannah hadn't found the Deus Ex Machina note in Dandelo's bathroom?
the same as did happen, of course. She was a gunslinger, remember? She would have felt something was wrong, and she would have been in time to save Roland.
Darkthoughts
11-21-2007, 02:53 AM
That's exactly what I think. I didn't see the need for the note, which is why I asked the question.
Storyslinger
11-21-2007, 07:27 AM
I believe she still would have saved Roland, it just would have taken longer to do it.
That's exactly what I think. I didn't see the need for the note, which is why I asked the question.
I think it was needed to emphasize that the author's interference was not a sign of his helplessness, but the part of the way the universe is organize, intrinsic to the nature of things as they are represented in that network of universes with the Dark Tower as their axis and Stephen King writing the story of the worlds as it happens, and the story happening as he is writing it, - as I tried to argue here (http://www.thedarktower.org/palaver/showpost.php?p=53291&postcount=17).
Letti
12-03-2007, 12:13 AM
What would have happened IF Susan hadn't died so young?
How long would their love have taken?
Would they have had children and a happy life?
- thank you for the question Lisa :rose:
the quotation below is long, but I think it contains the answer:
"Susan's been taken prisoner," Roland told the others as they rode west toward Hanging Rock. "That's the first thing I saw in the glass."
He spoke with such an air of absence that Cuthbert almost reined up. This wasn't the ardent lover of the last few months. It was as if Roland had found a dream to ride through the pink air within the ball, and part of him rode it still. Or is it riding him? Cuthbert wondered.
"What?" Alain asked. "Susan taken? How? By whom? Is she all right?'"
"Taken by Jonas. He hurt her some, but not too badly. She'll heal . . . and she'll live. I'd turn around in a second if I thought her life was in any real danger."
(...)
"If we survive what's ahead," Cuthbert said, watching the gunslinger closely, "she'll meet us on the road. Won't she, Roland?"
(...)
"I don't know," Roland said. "I almost hope not, because we can never be as we were."
"What? " This time Cuthbert did rein up.
Roland looked at him calmly enough, but now there were tears in his eyes.
"We are fools of ka" the gunslinger said. "Ka like a wind, Susan calls it." He looked first at Cuthbert on his left, then at Alain on his right. "The Tower is our ka; mine especially. But it isn't hers, nor she mine. No more is John Farson our ka. We're not going toward his men to defeat him, but only because they're in our way." He raised his hands, then dropped them again, as if to say, What more do you need me to tell you?
(...)
"You saw all that in the glass?" Alain asked in an awe-hushed voice.
"I saw much."
"But not Susan Delgado," Cuthbert said.
"No. When we finish with yonder men and she finishes with Mejis, her part in our ka-tet ends. Inside the ball, I was given a choice: Susan, and my life as her husband and father of the child she now carries ... or the Tower." Roland wiped his face with a shaking hand. "I would choose Susan in an instant, if not for one thing: the Tower is crumbling, and if it falls, everything we know will be swept away. There will be chaos beyond our imagining. We must go ... and we will go." Above his young and unlined cheeks, below his young and unlined brow, were the ancient killer's eyes that Eddie Dean would first glimpse in the mirror of an air*liner's bathroom. But now they swam with childish tears.
There was nothing childish in his voice, however.
"I choose the Tower. I must. Let her live a good life and long with someone else -- she will, in time. As for me, I choose the Tower."
Letti
12-03-2007, 05:36 AM
And how would Susan have continued her life?
She would have become one of the casualties of Farson Revolution. You see, the main point of the quotation is, for me, the fact that Roland lost interest in her, not that he was about to leave her. I think they might even get married, and she would have had that grand Gilead wedding, - after which he would have ridden off, and she would have stayed to die along with the rest of the court when the rebels came. And - the most important - Roland would have either known, or deduced it, and suffered the same remorse. To immeasurably lesser extent was she his love than the biggest remorse of his life.
LadyHitchhiker
12-03-2007, 08:01 AM
"I would choose Susan in an instant, if not for one thing: the Tower is crumbling, and if it falls, everything we know will be swept away. There will be chaos beyond our imagining. We must go ... and we will go."
That sounds to me like he felt he didn't HAVE a choice. He felt he had to save the world, and he sacrificed his love because of it.... Hmmm... But I shall think more about this.
Come on. That's why you had to stop and think - because you know what love is. Would you sacrifice someone your love for the sake of the world? To hell with the world.
LadyHitchhiker
12-03-2007, 08:12 AM
Weeeelll me, I wouldn't think there was a chance I could save the world, so yes, to hell with the world and I would save my love... Why would Roland think that he would have a chance to save the world, let alone all worlds?
Letti
12-03-2007, 08:13 AM
But if that world contains your love?
If she is somewhere out there but when the tower falls she and everyone else get lost in todash.
Precisely. But thinking that way when she is in immediate danger is hardly possible for the one who loves. The best he can do is to lull thimself into thinking that she is in no immediate danger... and when she dies, do you think he will ever be able to consolate himself with the thought he was out there saving worlds? It's another of those situations where rational thinking doesn't count.
Letti
12-03-2007, 08:28 AM
Precisely. But thinking that way when she is in immediate danger is hardly possible for the one who loves. The best he can do is to lull thimself into thinking that she is in no immediate danger... and when she dies, do you think he will ever be able to consolate himself with the thought he was out there saving worlds? It's another of those situations where rational thinking doesn't count.
I don't know Jean.
For my part if I were in the same shoes
- I know the world can explode and fall anytime BUT there is some hope that I can do something to save it -
I am sure that if I didn't try it and I saw that the sky begins to tear itself apart and I looked at my love... for those moments I am still alive I wouldn't be able to forgive myself that I hadn't tried to save him.
But
If I were somewhere out there far far away from my love on the way to save the world (the big beautiful world whose beauty comes from HIS (my loves existence) contains him and I saw the same - that I am late and everything gets lost in some minutes - I am sure I would mind that I can't be next to him and I cannot gold his gand BUT I would have some peace some kind of relief in my heart that I had given it a try and I wasn't selfish. I didn't choose the moment.
I chose the chance.
*is reading it back*
I hope it makes some sense. :D
Darkthoughts
12-03-2007, 04:16 PM
To immeasurably lesser extent was she his love than the biggest remorse of his life.
Perfect! You changed any arguments I had to the contrary with that statement :thumbsup: :cool:
http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k291/mishemplushem/Facilitation/bear_innocent.gif
Storyslinger
12-04-2007, 07:50 AM
I thought that if she had lived through the events in Mejis, her a Roland would have left Gilead after their return. He wouldn't have stayed to defend the white city, fore the fear of lossing her, and that would have ended the DT series
Letti
12-04-2007, 09:25 AM
I can't imagine that Roland would have settled down with Susan forever.
Maybe he would have been able to spend some years with her. To give her children and love.
But one day - I think - he would have got up with the thought of the Tower and he would have said goodbye to his family very quickly. He might have had some farewell tears but that's all.
Storyslinger
12-04-2007, 10:22 AM
If that were the case, there would be no tears. Roland only cried over one loss, and that was Jake, and even then it was hard for him. Tears just never seem to find a way to pass through his tough outer shell
Letti
12-04-2007, 10:25 AM
I remmeber Eddie saw him crying not once... I can check it back when I get home but I do remember two times when he cried... (before book 7)
Storyslinger
12-04-2007, 10:26 AM
Really......that is quite interesting, I would like to read this when you find this. Egg on my face :doh:
Storyslinger
12-04-2007, 10:27 AM
Cool, Thanks:D
Letti
12-04-2007, 10:31 AM
Really......that is quite interesting, I would like to read this when you find this. Egg on my face :doh:
I think I will be able to find them quite easily because it always shocked me when Roland strated to cry... I will type them when I find them.
If anyone can help I will be thankful. :)
Storyslinger
12-04-2007, 10:33 AM
*waits for response*
as early as in TDOTT:
"I love you both." The gunslinger looked at Eddie, and Eddie saw that Roland's cheeks glistened red in what remained of the campfire's embered dying glow. He was weeping.
"That doesn't answer the question. You'll go on, won't you?"
"Yes."
"To the very end."
"Yes. To the very end."
"No matter what." Eddie looked at him with love and hate and all the aching dearness of one man's dying hopeless helpless reach for another man's mind and will and need.
The wind made the trees moan.
"You sound like Henry, man." Eddie had begun to cry himself. He didn't want to. He hated to cry. "He had a tower, too, only it wasn't dark. Remember me telling you about Henry's tower? We were brothers, and I guess we were gunslingers. We had this White Tower, and he asked me to go after it with him the only way he could ask, so I saddled up, because he was my brother, you dig it? We got there, too. Found the White Tower. But it was poison. It killed him. It would have killed me. You saw me. You saved more than my life. You saved my fuckin soul."
Eddie held Roland and kissed his cheek. Tasted his tears.
I am sure if we look attentively, we'll see even more examples than Nikolett and I can think of right away - although, much like her, I never imagined Roland as one of those never-crying macho-men.
Storyslinger
12-04-2007, 10:58 AM
Thanks Jean, but I wasn't implying that he was a macho never cry man, but that he didn't know how, if that makes any sense
Letti
12-04-2007, 10:59 AM
Oh yes, I was sure he cried in DOTT but I couldn't remember the details. Thank you, Jean. You rock.
This part is so... touching. I should have remembered.
Thanks Jean, but I wasn't implying that he was a macho never cry man, but that he didn't know how, if that makes any sense
of course it does, and yes, I think the same, - only in practice, even though he didn't know how, he couldn't have helped it time to time.
Storyslinger
12-04-2007, 11:00 AM
Thanks Jean, but I wasn't implying that he was a macho never cry man, but that he didn't know how, if that makes any sense
of course it does, and yes, I think the same, - only in practice, even though he didn't know how, he couldn't have helped it time to time.
Yes, thats what I was trying to say
Letti
12-04-2007, 11:00 AM
One of the things I respected a lot about Roland that he could and dared to cry.
Of course we all have different Rolands in our heart and memory.
Storyslinger
12-04-2007, 11:02 AM
I think it is a great quality if someone knows how to cry. If not, the world can just cover you up and destroy you
Letti
12-04-2007, 11:04 AM
Anyway (in my little dictionary) if someone can have tears that person CAN - is able to - cry. So there is no bad cry or good cry.
I think if you let your tears be born you know how to cry.
So,
let me know
how you guys think that he didn't know how to cry.
Storyslinger
12-04-2007, 11:09 AM
Not knowing how to cry would be refering to him being raised in the culture that he did. They were taught the harshness of life and that weakness was wrong. Not really ever being exposed to it, Roland never really experienced crying, therefore it wasn't apart of his being. It is kind of like, going through the coming of age and all the other gunslinger trials, removed his ability to cry.
I thats still not really what I mean, I just can't find a way to say it
Letti
12-04-2007, 11:13 AM
Sometimes we must have very serious fights with ourselves to be able to express our real feelings.
I really think if you can weep. If you can have tears - you know how to cry.
For my part when I cry I always hide my face with my hair... there are people who can cry when nobody sees them there are people who can cry in front of people and there are people who can pretend crying.
And there are the ones who can't.
They can be alone or they can be with a friend or with a lover but they are not able to.
The way I see it or the way I think about it Roland could.
I think, some people just feel it as something appropriate; as if they were in their element when crying, like, you know, it was - maybe not the solution itself, but at least an approach to it... way of relaxation preceding finding the solution... or something absolutely different, but anyway, an appropriate, natural, habitual, and good thing to do... while for others it goes against their very nature.
Storyslinger
12-04-2007, 11:14 AM
Right, I do agree with what you said. He did have the ability to cry
Storyslinger
12-04-2007, 11:15 AM
I think, some people just feel it as something appropriate; as if they were in their element when crying, like, you know, it was - maybe not the solution itself, but at least an approach to it... way of relaxation preceding finding the solution... or something absolutely different, but anyway, an appropriate, natural, habitual, and good thing to do... while for others it goes against their very nature.
Thats a little closer to what I was trying to say
... are we still on topic?... http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k291/mishemplushem/Facilitation/bear_unsure.gif
Letti
12-04-2007, 11:38 AM
... are we still on topic?... http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k291/mishemplushem/Facilitation/bear_unsure.gif
Good question, let me think...
I think we are on the edge but maybe it could be another thread. http://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p237/Lettike/smiley/unsure.gif
TerribleT
12-07-2007, 10:11 AM
Come on. That's why you had to stop and think - because you know what love is. Would you sacrifice someone your love for the sake of the world? To hell with the world.
YES!!!! The reason being is that in sacrificing myself for the sake of the world (country) I'm sacrificing myself for them. The choice is I die for them, or we all die and I wouldn't have them anyway.
Letti
12-12-2007, 11:59 AM
What would have happened to Eddie IF Roland had never drawn him?
Would he have been able to get rid of drugs? How would he have continued his life? Would he have spent many years in prison?
Storyslinger
12-12-2007, 12:01 PM
He would have spent some time in prison, for the drugs, because he would have gotten caught. His brother would have been killed, for Eddies screw-up, and when he was released from prison, he would have been killed also, or maybe killed while still in prison.
Wuducynn
12-12-2007, 12:08 PM
I'm not so sure if he would have been caught on the plane, but even if he wasn't I agree with Story, he would have ended up dead in prison or from heroin.
jayson
12-12-2007, 12:10 PM
He would have spent some time in prison, for the drugs, because he would have gotten caught. His brother would have been killed, for Eddies screw-up, and when he was released from prison, he would have been killed also, or maybe killed while still in prison.
But would he have necessarily have been caught? Remember, it was the change of eye color that made the stewardess feel hinky-die-die about Eddie in the first place. No Roland, no eye color change, and perhaps Eddie never falls under suspicion and makes his delivery to Balazar without legal hassles. Of course, he'd probably continue as a drug mule and either be caught eventually or die a violent death being associated with mafiosos like Balazar.
Storyslinger
12-12-2007, 12:10 PM
Rigth, he may not have been caught then, but, like you said, sooner or later
Letti
12-12-2007, 12:25 PM
He would have spent some time in prison, for the drugs, because he would have gotten caught. His brother would have been killed, for Eddies screw-up, and when he was released from prison, he would have been killed also, or maybe killed while still in prison.
I am not sure that Eddie would have been killed after his brother death. I think it's possible he would have been able to stand up. We mustn't forget that he was born to be a gunslinger.
Storyslinger
12-12-2007, 12:28 PM
Yeah, you got me there http://www.msnhiddenemoticons.com/Library/extra_large/large_mix/default/raspberry.gif
I am not sure that Eddie would have been killed after his brother death. I think it's possible he would have been able to stand up. We mustn't forget that he was born to be a gunslinger.
My thoughts exactly.
Letti
12-13-2007, 07:47 AM
I am not sure that Eddie would have been killed after his brother death. I think it's possible he would have been able to stand up. We mustn't forget that he was born to be a gunslinger.
My thoughts exactly.
We often agree these days. :)
ManOfWesternesse
12-13-2007, 08:00 AM
Eddie just might have made it ok (he was as you say, born to be a Gunslinger).
BUT I think he could only have broken free of his old life after Henry died, and Henry was headed for an early death anyway, regardless of Balazaar.
With Henry dead, Eddie might well have gotten free of the whole scene he was locked into.
Letti
12-13-2007, 08:11 AM
And how would he have been able to stand up? How would he have continued his life after that? Would he have become a policeman who saves little kids from the same fate that killed his brother or how?
jayson
12-13-2007, 08:15 AM
And how would he have been able to stand up? How would he have continued his life after that? Would he have become a policeman who saves little kids from the same fate that killed his brother or how?
Not altogether sure he'd have turned things around to such an extent. I do believe that IF Henry died he might have been able to pull himself out of the whole drug/mafia scene. After that, I think he may have just tried to lead a "regular" life. Eddie was very intelligent and I could see him getting into the business world [making the kind of "kills" Elmer Chambers made]. Makes me wonder what Eddie Toren does for a living on his level of the Tower.
Letti
12-13-2007, 08:19 AM
For my part somehow (I don't really know why) I can't imagine Eddie in an ordinary life.
ManOfWesternesse
12-13-2007, 08:23 AM
& yet, without Roland's intervention (which was the original question), I think Eddie's life would have been reasonably 'ordinary'.
If he had beaten the drugs scene - could he even have pulled himself up to a reasonable level in society (ex-druggie / no decent job history etc...) it's possible yes - but not easy.
But what more than that (in this ordinary world) could he have aspired to?
jayson
12-13-2007, 08:24 AM
For my part somehow (I don't really know why) I can't imagine Eddie in an ordinary life.
Possibly because you have seen the extraordinary things of which he is capable.
hisDudeness
12-25-2007, 02:33 PM
What if Roland had lost to Cort and had been forced to go west?
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Letti
12-27-2007, 01:50 AM
Oh yes. It's a really good question indded. Thank you for it, hisDudeness.
I will think about it and I will come back later.
jayson
12-27-2007, 04:05 AM
Superb question. My thoughts are that (a) ka would have found some other way for Roland to obtain his guns and become a defender of the White, or (b) had it been Roland's ka to lose to Cort, perhaps it was not his ka to seek the Tower. He'd have gone west and hopefully not turned into a bitter prick like Jonas.
Letti
12-27-2007, 04:42 AM
I think he would have looked for the Tower the same way but I don't think he would have been able to reach it. His heart and spine would have been broken and he wouldn't have been able to be so strong (believe in ka and himself) all the time.
timtempest6
01-12-2008, 08:29 PM
Eddie would have made the delivery then he and henry would have shot up all night henry would have died Eddie would blame himself and possibly kill his self right there on the spot or OD sometime later on himself.
TerribleT
01-13-2008, 05:33 AM
Superb question. My thoughts are that (a) ka would have found some other way for Roland to obtain his guns and become a defender of the White, or (b) had it been Roland's ka to lose to Cort, perhaps it was not his ka to seek the Tower. He'd have gone west and hopefully not turned into a bitter prick like Jonas.
I tend to agree with B, except I think he probably would have turned into "a bitter prick, like Jonas" :rofl:
TerribleT
01-13-2008, 05:33 AM
I think I'm gonna change my nickname to that. lol
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