Sons of Anarchy

[RUBE]

Does anyone watch this FX show? I started watching in season two and am hooked. Now I joke with my wife that I am going to get a motorcycle.

If you were not already watching, did you watch tonight's episode just to see Stephen King's cameo?

[Bev Vincent]

I've seen it from the beginning and I like it a lot. I have no interest in getting a motorcycle, but I like the way they humanize some very bad people.

[Matt]

I started watching it once he recommended it. I went all the way back to the first season and now I can't get the second from netflix for some reason.

I like it but not as much as Mad Men. :lol:

[Bev Vincent]

"I'm in the mood for music. 80s."

[lophophoras]

I did set my DVR to record the episode last night. I can't wait to get home from work and watch it.

:thumbsup:

[Iwritecode]

I've been watching it from the beginning. It's one of the few shows I actually make time to watch anymore.

What's funny is my wife picked up on the name Bachman before I did. As soon as Tig said it she said "That must be him".

[sleeplessdwarf]

Never watched before I seen the media response to King's episode. The wife and I decided to start with show number 1 and watch till current. I can honestly say that is all the tv we have seen in the last 3 days. 26 shows straight, 6 more to go till up to date. It is much more addictive than I planned, and it has some awesome soundtrack music.

[special k]

My first sergeant always had episodes playing in our hq when i was in iraq and thats how I got hooked. He really stole the last episode.

"Where's the body?"

looks at her coldly "what body?"

:)

[RUBE]

SK did do a pretty awesome job. I love his writing but his acting... Let's just say I normally I cringe when he pops up in one of his movies. I think dark, creepy, and with few lines is the way all of his cameos should be.

Also, it cracked me up that they asked him to grab that lady's boobs. I wonder what Tabby thought of that.

[Hannah]

I loved the SK cameo. He was super creepy and the acting was great. I think he plays creepy very well.

On the show in general: did Gemma have a heart attack last week? Someone told me she had a heart transplant and that is what the scar on her chest is from, but I don't remember catching that in any of the episodes. Does anyone know?

[Bev Vincent]

It sure looked like a heart attack. According to Wikipedia: "Gemma has a genetic heart disorder which she passed on to her children, and of which Thomas died in 1990." I read elsewhere that the scar is from open heart surgery.

A "cleaner" character like Bachman made an appearance on Rubicon last night. Must be becoming a popular profession. This time we got to hear the sounds of an electric saw in the distance as he did his work. That was the one thing I thought was missing from Steve's cameo -- gruesome sound effects from the basement!

[Hannah]

Hmm. Thanks, Bev. Sometimes I miss those little details when I'm watching the shows.

And that's a profession I'd never be interested in. :scared:

[RUBE]

I did not get to see tonight's episode because I have Dish Network. Apparently they are fighting with Fox about rate increases so they have pulled all Fox channels except for local channels and Fox News. So now I have less sports and no SOA. Thanks for punishing your customers Dish and Fox.

[OchrisO]

Tonight's episode was so good.

[Mattrick]

My friend said this show is fantastic. Not too big a fan of Ron 'ape face' Pearlman but Katey Sagall has won me over over the years.

[OchrisO]

In my humble opinion, it is one of the best shows on TV right now. I look forward to it more than anything else each week.

[CRinVA]

I was hooked after the first episode this season. I do need to find the time and go back and see all of seasons 1 and 2 to fill in some of the holes. And I love teh soundtrack too!

[Iwritecode]

Couple of LOL moments is last night's episode.

"What a little slut!"
"Yes he is."

:wtf:

[Bev Vincent]

Bobby: This is some medieval shit

Gemma: Unless we want a three-headed grandchild, looks like we're going to have to share some family history.

[Emily]

I loved the first 2 seasons of Sons, but I just cannot get into it as much this season. I think it's gotten ridiculous. Jax's baby is kidnapped, and he's like, "LOL, I'mma make fun of the new prospects and bang some broads". And I thought last night's episode was all shock value and no substance. It went from interestingly unrealistic to absurdly unrealistic in the span of about 5 episodes. Also, at the end of each episode, I always feel like nothing even happened. They could have condensed all of the stuff that's happened so far this season into 3 episodes. I dunno. Unless they reel it in a little, I think I may be done after this season.

[OchrisO]

At first I was ready to be horribly angry with this season's finale tonight, but the last 15 mins or so were goddamned amazing and totally made up for it. I didn't expect it at all.

I was sooooo happy to see Agent Stahl get her annoying brains blown out the front of her head and I was really glad that Chibs got to kill Jimmy.

[Merlin1958]

At first I was ready to be horribly angry with this season's finale tonight, but the last 15 mins or so were goddamned amazing and totally made up for it. I didn't expect it at all.

I was sooooo happy to see Agent Stahl get her annoying brains blown out the front of her head and I was really glad that Chibs got to kill Jimmy.

Yeah, one of the better season finale's I can recall. The story wound around very cleverly and they wrapped up the story arc without leaving you with a huge cliff-hanger, which was nice for a change. I have loved this show from the very first episode of season 1!!!!!!!

[CRinVA]

I had DVR'd this episode and finally got to watch it last night. When Agent Stalh screwed Jax I was like "Holy Shit, what happens now?", but was pleasantly surprized to see how it all played out. I thought it a very clever season ending!

[Bev Vincent]

Yeah, I was trying to figure out who got double/triple/quadruple crossed by who.

[Iwritecode]

I got behind on this season and missed the last 3 episodes. I figured I would catch up by watching them on the FX website but they only have the first 3 episodes up. WTF? :onfire:

[Yaksha]

very good season finale. I was cussing up a storm for a while there but I am glad how it all ended. Though

Opie blowing Stahls head off. God I have been waiting for him to do that since season 1. And the letter from John that says Gemma and Clay killed him. Holy Shit

[CRinVA]

I just finished up watching in its entirety seasons 1 - 3 of Sons of Anarchy - just in time for last night's Season 4 opener. The SAMCRO members get out of jail after 14 months and at first it seemed a rather tame episode! All I'll say is it wasn't and I am already looking forward to next week!

New Charming Mayor, Jax has a second son, Opie gets hitched, Jax gets his locks trimmed, a new Cop in town, a new and nasty ADA (with task force), and the old Police Chief is retired but still ticking fromt eh ravages of cancer! Oh, add in some guns, bullets, blood (lots of blood), police blunders, knives (the one in the ear was spectacular) and exterminations! Not bad for a season starter!

[Iwritecode]

We recorded it since my wife had to be at work about 15 minutes before the ending credits rolled. We'll probably watch it sometime this weekend. It's something I've been looking forward to all summer.

My wife is upset that Jax cut his hair though.

[Merlin1958]

I just finished up watching in its entirety seasons 1 - 3 of Sons of Anarchy - just in time for last night's Season 4 opener. The SAMCRO members get out of jail after 14 months and at first it seemed a rather tame episode! All I'll say is it wasn't and I am already looking forward to next week!

New Charming Mayor, Jax has a second son, Opie gets hitched, Jax gets his locks trimmed, a new Cop in town, a new and nasty ADA (with task force), and the old Police Chief is retired but still ticking fromt eh ravages of cancer! Oh, add in some guns, bullets, blood (lots of blood), police blunders, knives (the one in the ear was spectacular) and exterminations! Not bad for a season starter!

Oh yeah, Bob it was a fairly stellar premiere!!!!! Nothing like jumping right back into the saddle!! Looks like another very interesting season is shaping up for us!!

:shoot::shoot::shoot:

[Hannah]

We recorded it since my wife had to be at work about 15 minutes before the ending credits rolled. We'll probably watch it sometime this weekend. It's something I've been looking forward to all summer.

My wife is upset that Jax cut his hair though.

Women everywhere gave a collective gasp of dismay when we saw his short hair.

[Merlin1958]

We recorded it since my wife had to be at work about 15 minutes before the ending credits rolled. We'll probably watch it sometime this weekend. It's something I've been looking forward to all summer.

My wife is upset that Jax cut his hair though.

Women everywhere gave a collective gasp of dismay when we saw his short hair.

Really, Hannah? I always thought you were better than that!!!! Objectifying Men!!! OMG!!!




LOL J/K girlfriend!!!!

:lol1:

[Hannah]

:lol: I am so not better than that.

[RUBE]

I need to catch up on this show. I missed the last half of season three but Netflix will fix that.

[Bev Vincent]

The new assistant US attorney is played by the guy who was Rev. Smith on Deadwood. The last five minutes were like something straight out of the Godfather. That scene in the prison infirmary--yikes! Looks like we're in for a volatile, explosive season.

[Merlin1958]

The new assistant US attorney is played by the guy who was Rev. Smith on Deadwood. The last five minutes were like something straight out of the Godfather. That scene in the prison infirmary--yikes! Looks like we're in for a volatile, explosive season.

Could not agree more!!!! What a way for that poor bastard to go!!!

:evil:

[Hannah]

The new assistant US attorney is played by the guy who was Rev. Smith on Deadwood. The last five minutes were like something straight out of the Godfather. That scene in the prison infirmary--yikes! Looks like we're in for a volatile, explosive season.

I'm just going to have to admit that I did a little happy dance when I saw that actor on SOA. I loved him as Rev. Smith on Deadwood, and I love his character on Sons already. Give me more!

Not a spoiler, per se, Clay Morrow is an asshole. An evil, evil, asshole. I wish someone would figure this out already and just take him out.

[CRinVA]

Wow no comments in three weeks! I think that This season is turning out just as good as last! I was wondering where they were going with it and what continuing storylines would carry over. Also I see that another season (and 13 more episodes) next year is already in the books.

A few great story lines to play out:

What is the fate of Juice? I can see him buying the farm! Don't want to but see it's a possibility - after all they let Piney buy the farm and I thought he was key to the show!

Who is gonna (at least try) to take out Clay? That son of a bitch needs to go! Jax ? Opie? Bobby? Gemma? Unser? DA Lincoln's crew? ...

The hit on Tara (and Jax) - once again Clay puts into motion something out of his control! I can't see Tara or jax biting the bullet - can't wait til next week's episode to see how this one plays out! And with a new season on the books I cannot see jax getting out of SAMCRO - ever!

What about that kiss between Gemma and Unser? There is more to this tale - at least the backstory!

Who's the baddest guy on the law enforcement side - I originally thought new Sheriff Roosevelt, but he has shown some compassion for Juice. Now DA Lincoln - that man is effed up and doesn't care who goes down in his quest! He is the new Agent Stahl! And should perhaps see the same fate!

The Cartel and the drug business in general - it seems SAMCRO are really little fish in a big sea right now!

[Bev Vincent]

It's hard to figure how the Clay story is going to play out. Just when it seems like he's gone a step too far, someone steps in to clean up his mess. Usually Jemma and/or Unser. That kiss--there has been allusions to something going on between them in the past. He has always mooned around her like a lovelorn puppy dog. I think we've hit our quote of regulars getting offed this season, but I could be wrong. This is a grittier season, I find. Last year we rooted for SAMCRO. This year they're just a bunch of thugs for the most part and I find it hard to root for the gang. Individuals, yes, but the club has gone above and beyond, mostly because of Clay.

[Hannah]

I hope Unser finally steps up and stands up to Clay. That would be a nice development for his character and how spineless he's been throughoutt the show about doing whatever Clay wants him to do.

[OchrisO]

I think if I were dying of cancer anyway, I would probably want to start some shit.

[Hannah]

For sure. Why not, right? I mean he's helped the club his whole life and what does he end up with? Alone with cancer living in a dirty trailer in the woods. Seems like he's got nothing to lose.

[CRinVA]

Another great episode last night , especially the part where.....

Opie shoots Clay - But is Clay dead - according to the previews I think so!

Next week is Part 1 of the season finale! Things are not looking too good for SAMCRO right now!

[CRinVA]

Another great episode last night , especially the part where.....

Opie shoots Clay - But is Clay dead - according to the previews I think so!

Next week is Part 1 of the season finale! Things are not looking too good for SAMCRO right now!

[Bev Vincent]

Those last 10 seconds, holy cow. I didn't expect that to happen.

I'm not sure Clay is dead. The middle of the preview had Jax yelling "Call an ambulance" and that may be his reaction to the shooting, even though it's out of sequence. I've been wondering how they can possibly remediate Clay given all the nasty shit he's done this season and maybe this is it. His comeuppance. All the secrets come out. He'll be sidelined and, likely replaced--but probably not by Bobby, since he's getting his own little comeuppance. At first I thought that not much was happening in the episode. Then it all hit the fan.

[CRinVA]

Ok half of the season finale is over and still Clay is not Dead! Why Why Why - but he may still be dead by the end of the next episode. Or not! Who knows where the storyline is going. Juice and Bobby in jail - not looking to good - Tara has a plan to kill Clay finally, Jemma has hidden from Jax part of the whole "who killed John" story but Tara knows, and the previews show Jax holdng a big ass knife at Clay's throat!

I was also supprised at how submissive Opie was after Jax stopped him from finishing Clay off!
The onle thing I want to see cleared up is the end of the damn DA - that man is bad bad bad!

[Bev Vincent]

I think the deal with Clay is a setup for the big showdown between Jax and Clay next week. It wouldn't be right to have Opie do it -- it has to come from Jax if it comes from anyone

[CRinVA]

Bev - agreed - tonight we'll see.

As I recall last years season ended was simply awesome - let's hope they outdo themselves this year!

[Merlin1958]

It was definitely Clay's "Time". He had to go at this point.

[OchrisO]

I thought that was a fairly weak episode for a season finale. Granted, it was the second half of the finale and was mostly wrapping things up, but compared to other finales of the series, I thought it was very weak.

[Bev Vincent]

I thought the first 10 minutes or so were brilliant. They turned everything upside down and undid everyone's plans. the last 10 minutes felt padded. I could have done without the musical montage. SAMCRO is looking pretty pale around the table, though. So many empty chairs. I was hoping Opie would show up at the last moment but I guess they had to leave at one thing unresolved. I still don't completely buy Tara as a motorcycle club's old woman, thought

[CRinVA]

Bev I agree completely - this season finale does not compare to last season's whatsoever. That being said I was totally thrown off guard with the whole Cartel/CIA and Jax you're dammed if you do, dammed if you don't position. I am glad he told Tara - sorry that he had to ask Opie to Trust him. Opie has heard it before. I suspect next season will be a lot about Opie. It was sad to see Bobby sitting in jail strumming a guitar and sadder to see the empty chairs around the table! And speaking of Tara - well she has changed in the last two episodes - after all she gave Jax the way to eliminate Clay without laying suspicion on himself. Does she become the new Gemma!!!!

I really loved it when the ADA dropped all the porn paraphanelia at the town supervisors meeting and telling Hale that he did it because he didnt like him and the good guys needed a win! It's the only decent thing he has done all season.

And its funny that the sheriff just wants to get back to watching the SAMCRO crooks break the law and catching them - as he told Juice!

Now the long wait until Season 5! So what to watch now?

I'm thinking that the new series coming out in January Alcatraz looks promising! And hopefully American Horror will end their season with a bang!

[Merlin1958]

New Season coming in September!!!!

[Iwritecode]

I need to get Season 4 on DVD so I can actually watch it for the first time.

For some reason FX or Kurt Sutter decided to not put last season's episodes on the website like they had the previous 3.

[Iwritecode]

I need to get Season 4 on DVD so I can actually watch it for the first time.

For some reason FX or Kurt Sutter decided to not put last season's episodes on the website like they had the previous 3.

Got the Season 4 DVD set and started watching it a couple of days ago. I'm only halfway through but I should have enough time to finish it just before the Season 5 premier on Tuesday. Can't wait.

After I finish I'll have to come back to this thread and read everyone's spoiler-ed thoughts.

[RUBE]

I need to watch the second half of last season's finale. Anyone know a free site to watch episodes that is not full of spyware or malware?

[CRinVA]

It all starts tonight - right???

[Bev Vincent]

Yep, indeedy.

Have any of you SoA fans watched The Shield? Sutter played a big part in that, too. I'm halfway through the fourth season and digging it. Darabont directed an episode in Season 6 as a rehearsal for filming THE MIST. He used most of the crew from The Shield on that shoot.

[Iwritecode]

Hour and a half season opener. So many things things left unanswered in last season's finale.


How much shit did Tig stir up by killing the daughter of a powerful Oakland gangster?

Will Opie become the club's new VP?

What is Clay going to do in his reduced role?

Can Clay work out the deal with the Irish and the cartel?

Will Wendy fight for custody of Abel?

Will Bobby's charges get dropped?

I can't wait to find out.

[CRinVA]

So how much shit did Tig dig up....

OMFG! That was horrific!!!!! Pope is one sick puppy!

[OchrisO]

Holy shit.

My jaw hit the floor when Pope
set Tig's daughter on fire in front of him. That shit is going to get intense, especially since Tig already started retaliation

[Merlin1958]

Pretty fucking good Premiere, I'd say!!!!

Anyone notice the "Cleaner". SK's old cameo if I recall!!! At least King survived!!!


:thumbsup::thumbsup:

[Bev Vincent]

The Jimmy Smits character (Nero) seems interesting. Clay looks pretty rough. It's ironic that he's on a nasal cannula now, just like Piney was. That was quite a tale he spun about Piney's death. I'm watching The Shield these days (Sutter was heavily involved in that, too) and it's fun to see Benito Martinez (Captain Aceveda) playing a heavy. That stuff with Tig was brutal. Looks like we're destined for another prison season at some point.

[CRinVA]

Pretty fucking good Premiere, I'd say!!!!

Anyone notice the "Cleaner". SK's old cameo if I recall!!! At least King survived!!!


:thumbsup::thumbsup:

Bill, yes I noticed. Those were my exact thougths when he showed up. If only "someone else" still played that part! :-)

[CRinVA]

Another episode down and it just gets better and better. A few observations:

About ten minutes before it actually happened I thought to myself, Opie is going to take the fall as he doesn't really believe he has anything to live for - so now we have Tigs seeing his daughter burned alive and Jax seeing his best friend beat to death - that blow to his head was brutal - I pity (not) the guard that Jax told he was going to hunt down and kill!

How about an out of control Jemma beating up on that girl that was with Clay! A bit reminiscent of another fine chick that had her face smashed last season?

Clay looking older and older and much more feeble with every episode

One can only hope that the season finale will be someone taking Pope down - he is a bad ass dude!

[Bev Vincent]

I find it so ironic that Clay is on oxygen like Piney. That guard is dead meat. I thought Jax would give up Tig rather than have him spend life in prison.

[OchrisO]

I'm so mad that

Opie is gone.

[Merlin1958]

I'm so mad that

Opie is gone.

I hear that!!! This show never ceases to amaze and confound!!!

[Iwritecode]

I find it so ironic that Clay is on oxygen like Piney. That guard is dead meat. I thought Jax would give up Tig rather than have him spend life in prison.

I didn't catch it when I watched but apparently Jax was about to punch the guard so he'd be the one that went in the cage but Opie stopped him and sacrificed himself instead. That doesn't make it any easier but that's definitely something he would do. I don't think he really felt he had much left to live for and saving his best friends life was a valiant way to die.

I just hope they don't play that scene where he gets hit with the pipe again when they show the "previously on SOA". That's been stuck in my head since I saw it.

[Dan]

I've never seen the show but saw this today. link (http://entertainment.foxnews.mobi/quickPage.html?page=23786&external=1713111.proteus.fma)

[Merlin1958]

Should there be "Spoilers" in the title so we can speak freely? IDK about anyone else, but the tags are starting to kill me!!! LOL LOL LOL

[RUBE]

What happened in the prison was crazy and should be what everyone is talking about but I am also fascinated by Tara's transformation into Gemma. You just get the feeling that she is going to go crazy soon and tear someone apart, probably Abel's biological mom.

[OchrisO]

Should there be "Spoilers" in the title so we can speak freely? IDK about anyone else, but the tags are starting to kill me!!! LOL LOL LOL

I tend to prefer keeping spoiler tags in a thread myself, so that people who aren't caught up on the series can feel free to come in and discuss or ask questions about what they have already watched.

[Merlin1958]

Should there be "Spoilers" in the title so we can speak freely? IDK about anyone else, but the tags are starting to kill me!!! LOL LOL LOL

I tend to prefer keeping spoiler tags in a thread myself, so that people who aren't caught up on the series can feel free to come in and discuss or ask questions about what they have already watched.

Good point. I was just throwing it out there. Your point makes better sense though.

[Garrell]

This better be a good show, I just bought season 1-4 on ebay cause you guys say it is awesome:)

[Merlin1958]

This better be a good show, I just bought season 1-4 on ebay cause you guys say it is awesome:)

No worries there, mate!!!

[Bev Vincent]

OMFG. My jaw almost hit the floor when Walton Goggins (Justified, The Shield) walked in in drag. He looked vaguely familiar but I knew who he was the minute he opened his mouth. What a shocker! And I loved Tig's reaction. And the kiss with Jax was apparently unscripted and Goggins' idea

[CRinVA]

This show is simply full of surprises. You never know which direction they are turning in next!!!!! THat's why I love it so much!

[Bev Vincent]

That had to be one of the best scenes ever.

[CRinVA]

Tig's response was awesome and so was Juice's reply to Tig when he said "Really?"

[Merlin1958]

Tig's response was awesome and so was Juice's reply to Tig when he said "Really?"

I never knew that Boyd Crowder had such a nice rack!!!


:smile_002:

[CRinVA]

This show never ceases to amaze. Last nights ending rocked it!

[Bev Vincent]

Yeah, I thought it was a so-so episode until they raised the stakes in the last few minutes.

[Merlin1958]

I really love this show, but the story arc on Gemma is getting a little weird. Still, the writer's have my trust and loyalty.

[Bev Vincent]

Weird but, in a way, understandable. She's on the verge of losing everything. She's no longer the club's leader's old woman. Her son and she have a strained relationship. Her daughter-in-law hates her most of the time. She has to fight to get to see her grandkids. Her new lover dropped her over a business deal. Unser told her point blank that they aren't friends. What does she have left?

[CRinVA]

Weird but, in a way, understandable. She's on the verge of losing everything. She's no longer the club's leader's old woman. Her son and she have a strained relationship. Her daughter-in-law hates her most of the time. She has to fight to get to see her grandkids. Her new lover dropped her over a business deal. Unser told her point blank that they aren't friends. What does she have left?

In answer to your question One Night Stands I guess!

[Bev Vincent]

I suspect she'll be cured of those after the most recent one. The guy might be cured of them, too.

[Merlin1958]

Weird but, in a way, understandable. She's on the verge of losing everything. She's no longer the club's leader's old woman. Her son and she have a strained relationship. Her daughter-in-law hates her most of the time. She has to fight to get to see her grandkids. Her new lover dropped her over a business deal. Unser told her point blank that they aren't friends. What does she have left?

All very true, but then again she has no one to blame but herself, right? Still, I guess she does deserve some sympathy.

[Iwritecode]

Weird but, in a way, understandable. She's on the verge of losing everything. She's no longer the club's leader's old woman. Her son and she have a strained relationship. Her daughter-in-law hates her most of the time. She has to fight to get to see her grandkids. Her new lover dropped her over a business deal. Unser told her point blank that they aren't friends. What does she have left?

All very true, but then again she has no one to blame but herself, right? Still, I guess she does deserve some sympathy.

She gets very little sympathy from me. For the most part, almost everything she does is looking out for herself and that's it. She doesn't care who she has to hurt and/or kill to get her way. She's already proved that with her first husband.

One thing I do hate is how in one episode she'll be the tough old broad that won't take shit from anyone. Then in another episode she's this meek, crying mess that has to be rescued. It makes me wonder which one is the "real" Gemma.

[Stockerlone]

In the German Free TV, SoA FIRST Season started 06.11.12:onfire:

[OchrisO]

In the German Free TV, SoA FIRST Season started 06.11.12:onfire:

You are in for an awesome ride. I love to still have all of that amazing TV before me unwatched.

[Merlin1958]

In the German Free TV, SoA FIRST Season started 06.11.12:onfire:

You are in for an awesome ride. I love to still have all of that amazing TV before me unwatched.

I hear that, Brutha!!!!

[Bev Vincent]

Lots of developments last night, but was anyone bothered by the fact that no one seemed to care about Chibs after Frankie took him? They assumed Frankie would just let him go (after Frankie demonstrated how desperate he was by shooting the girl), and I don't think even Frankie knew Chibs was going to walk away until the very last second. Did they even send anyone out to look for Chibs?

[Iwritecode]

Lots of developments last night, but was anyone bothered by the fact that no one seemed to care about Chibs after Frankie took him? They assumed Frankie would just let him go (after Frankie demonstrated how desperate he was by shooting the girl), and I don't think even Frankie knew Chibs was going to walk away until the very last second. Did they even send anyone out to look for Chibs?

My wife and I thought that exact same thing.

I was surprised at how much truth was spilled to other characters in the episode. A lot of things finally coming out into the open.

[CRinVA]

Lots of developments last night, but was anyone bothered by the fact that no one seemed to care about Chibs after Frankie took him? They assumed Frankie would just let him go (after Frankie demonstrated how desperate he was by shooting the girl), and I don't think even Frankie knew Chibs was going to walk away until the very last second. Did they even send anyone out to look for Chibs?

I thought the same Bev.

It sure looks like Juice si being set up to take the fall - doesnt it?

I loved it when Gemma said to Jax what if I can't and he replied "Then get used to living in a brothel, because hookers and bangers are going to be your only family," Jax is gtting harder and harder!

I also really like the Nero character new this season. When Clay said to Nero "I know you and Jax are tight and the club appreciates your pussy salvation, but make no mistake -- you get in my way with Gemma and I'll kill you." and Nero's retort, "Don't worry, hermano. I don't make mistakes. Not like you," - he is also really tough!


And I am amazed that Chuckie is still around - he adds comic relief I guess!

[Garrell]

This show seems to be "jumping the shark" the way they drag out the Clay thing:(

[Merlin1958]

This show seems to be "jumping the shark" the way they drag out the Clay thing:(

IDK if I's say that, but you are right, Clay should be on "The Walking Dead" by now!!! It is a bit convenient that he's still alive and well. Reminds me of a song...



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_b5bPKUX4DQ


You really need to turn this one "Up". LOL LOL

[CRinVA]

A 90 minute episode last night and another 90 episode coming next week!

Clay survives yet another week; Juice too! Loyalties are changing - who's watching who's back? And Tara unknowingly aids and abets Otto as he commits a gruesome murder with a crusifix to the carotid artery!!!!!!

[RUBE]

This show keeps getting crazier. I find myself wondering why I like any of the characters because they all seem pretty evil.

[Bev Vincent]

It's hard to imagine what's going to be left of SAMCRO at the end of the season.

[Iwritecode]

I've read that the character Donal Logue is playing is a US Marshall that was forced into retirement because of excessive use of violence. I've also read theories that he was connected to the nurse that Otto killed. Which is why he's going after Otto and now Tara.

I'm curious as to what Jax has planned for Pope & Tig. I can't see how they both survive.

[Merlin1958]

I've read that the character Donal Logue is playing is a US Marshall that was forced into retirement because of excessive use of violence. I've also read theories that he was connected to the nurse that Otto killed. Which is why he's going after Otto and now Tara.

I'm curious as to what Jax has planned for Pope & Tig. I can't see how they both survive.

My guess would be...

Pope (who is a guest star) will go and Tig (character mainstay) will survive. How that will happen is anyone's guess. My theory would be that Tig pulls the trigger thereby cementing his new allegiance to Jax.


Great show!!!

[Hannah]

I love that Donal Logue is guest starring. What's strange is that the nurse that Otto murdered played Donal's sister on Terriers. Weird coincidence?

I have a theory that everything bad that happens can all be traced to Gemma in some way. No one I've told this theory seems to buy it. Also, I've recently developed the hots for Chibs.

[Bev Vincent]

I have to turn on close-captioning when Chibs talks.

Gemma definitely is the root of a lot of their troubles. Clay's a big part of it, too -- going 'way back.

[Hannah]

:lol: Me too, Bev! I'm so glad I'm not the only one that can't understand his Scottish brogue.

[Bev Vincent]

I grew up among people who came over from Scotland in the first half of the 20th century, so I'm sort of used to the brogue, but his is really thick.

Did you know that his facial scars are real?

[Merlin1958]

I grew up among people who came over from Scotland in the first half of the 20th century, so I'm sort of used to the brogue, but his is really thick.

Did you know that his facial scars are real?

Oh yeah!! He was in "Braveheart" and several other movies where he always has the scar. I just assumed.

[Bev Vincent]

He used to be a DJ in Glasgow and was attacked and cut after a gig one night.

[Hannah]

I figured it must be real because he had it in Braveheart, but that's crazy that he got it because someone literally cut his face.

[CRinVA]

Wow Season 5 is over - that went by way too fast. What did you think about the season ending episode? And thoughts for Season 6?

Jax has turned into the Lone Wolf - He took a teriffic chance with Tig - so long Pope! :-) Lets see what Jax and Popes successor deal with next season!

Unser - he is like a timex - just keeps on ticking!

The scenes with Tig and the pit bull - the soft side of the maniac Tig!

Clay - falsely accused - way to go Jax - doesn't say a word to Gemma when arrested - as she threw him to the wolves!

Otto - bites off his tongue - that was the most awesome scene in the finale!!!!!!!

Juice - the boy is conflicted - who to support, to back up!

Nero - he has turend dark - could be a memeber of SAMCRO!

Bobby - resings as VP - a sad day for SAMCRO!

And finally Tara - arrested - probably not on Gemmas threat but the ex-Marshall whos sister Otto killed probably dug up dirt. Se we know Season 6 wills tart with the Tara thread - in jail - outta jail!

And now - the long wait until Season 6 - gotta focus on other shows for a while!

[Bev Vincent]

A lot of unexpected twists and turns in the finale, for sure.

The fade cut from Tara to Gemma was eerie. However, when push comes to shove, Tara can't hold a candle to her mother-in-law. "I hope you weren't pregnant,' Gemma says after punching Tara in the stomach. I hadn't considered your theory that it was the ex-marshal who caused her arrest. That's possible.

Another eerie resonance: Clay putting his hand on the back of Juice's head, like a father to a son. Then, a few minutes later, Jax doing the same thing, except it was more like a king to his subject. Jax really is at risk of turning into Clay. He trusted his instincts, with Tig's life at risk, in the showdown with Pope. Tig is a complicated guy: witness the scene with the transsexual hooker a few episodes back.

Otto: Way to commit. Craziest scene in a long time!

All in all, a much more satisfying finale than last year, when the Rico threat just vanished under the most convenient of circumstances.

[CRinVA]

And so begins Season 6 - tonight at 10pm (eastern)!

[Shannon]

Tonight!? YAAAYYYYYY! One of my favorite shows.

[Iwritecode]

That was an amazing season premier. I got the DVD box set of last season but I didn't get a chance to watch it before last night. I wish I had at least watched the finale so I could remember what had happened. With so much going on it's hard to keep track of who knows what, who's lying to who and who's double crossing who.

Can't wait to see how the rest of this plays out. I've got a feeling Tig isn't going to make it through to next season. Which sucks because he can provide great comedy relief once in a while.

Jax seems to be fighting battles on 3 or 4 different fronts.

I'm already seeing some backlash on blogs and websites for the school shooting scene as well. Who the hell is that kid? When they first portrayed him I thought it was a flashback of Jax when he was younger but obviously not.

[CRinVA]

And so it has begun! A terrific 90 minute episode to kick off the season.

The school shooting is very controversial but I thought it was done in an amazing and tasteful manner. That kid kept showing up in scenes with no explanation - I was trying to figure out who the hell he was. Then he sits on the bench and rolls up his sleeves. Seeing hte cut scars I was sure when he reached into the backpack that he was going to pull out a knife, NOT as he pulls out the automatic Uzi-like gun. I read in an interview ith Sutter after the show that he explained why he included the scene. It signifies the beginning of the end of the gun business for SAMCRO. The gun dealing hit too close to home.

and, Just wow -

Tara beats the crap out of the black bitch in prison! The Retired Marshall, Lee Toric, out to nail SAMCRO looks to be a junkie - last season it was Pope, maybe Lee Toric is this season's Pope? and no surprise that Clay is going to roll over and rat to save his ass. Juice takes a well deserved beating from Chibs and then Chibs tenderly patches him up! Jax infidelity - no surprise there! Ha ha Gemma grabs the new prospect and places his hand on her tit! Then tells him now you know me and don't call me maam!

[RUBE]

Jax is falling to Clay's level pretty fast. I am not sure I want him to win anymore but then who do I want to prevail? I don't know but they are keeping me watching anyway.

[Ben Staad]

I've watched the first four episodes in season 1 and do not care for the show. Should I give it a few more chances or not?

[Iwritecode]

I've watched the first four episodes in season 1 and do not care for the show. Should I give it a few more chances or not?

What don't you like about it?

The basic premise of the show hasn't really changed since the beginning. It's a group of outlaw bikers that make a living by doing some really bad things. But they are fiercely protective of their town and each other.

It might get better once you start to learn more about the characters. The only problem is that you can't get too attached to them because you never know who is going to survive each episode.

[Ben Staad]

I think you answered my question. I don't like bikers and I can't seem to care about bad people who keep doing bad things. At least in BB there are moments of regret and humility to break up all the evilness.

[Bev Vincent]

I'm already seeing some backlash on blogs and websites for the school shooting scene as well. Who the hell is that kid? When they first portrayed him I thought it was a flashback of Jax when he was younger but obviously not.

I don't think it will matter who he is. In the preview for next week, Nero tells Jax that the gun was one of SAMCRO's. That'll be the important detail.

[Merlin1958]

I'm already seeing some backlash on blogs and websites for the school shooting scene as well. Who the hell is that kid? When they first portrayed him I thought it was a flashback of Jax when he was younger but obviously not.

I don't think it will matter who he is. In the preview for next week, Nero tells Jax that the gun was one of SAMCRO's. That'll be the important detail.

Agreed, but they way they depicted him throughout the episode.... I can't help thinking the kids' ID will be significant at some point. Just a hunch, I suppose.

[Bev Vincent]

According to EW, he's the 11-year-old son of Nero’s cousin’s old lady

[Iwritecode]

According to EW, he's the 11-year-old son of Nero’s cousin’s old lady

The ending scene alluded to that.

They showed Nero's cousin (I honestly couldn't remember who he was exactly, just that he is played by Dave Navarro) standing at the table with the blonde woman. I thought that might have been the same woman the boy kissed goodbye at the beginning of the episode but I wasn't sure.

I think the fact that they'd never introduced her before is what confused me. Too many blonde women in the episode.

[fearless-freak]

when did sons of anarchy get a comic series?

[Bev Vincent]

My buddy Chris Golden is writing it -- the first issue just came out.

[Bev Vincent]

http://www.usatoday.com/story/life/2013/09/05/sons-of-anarchy-comic-book-series/2771479/

[CRinVA]

Wow no comments in almost three months. Season finale was Tuesday night. Lots of people hated it - I really liked it. It was rough, gritty, brutal to say the least!

gives new meaning to uses for a carving fork! RIP Tara, Rest in Hell Gemma! Juice - WTF are you doiong!!

And who is the homeless lady - she has shon up before!

[Garrell]

Wonder about the homeless lady myself

[Lookwhoitis]

This has been one of my fave shows over the last 5 years. Just started ep 1 of season 6 today

[Shannon]

Lookwhoitis, definitely don't read any spoilers! lol

I loved the finale.

My take on the homeless lady (also, the mother of the young woman who trashed the bike and now works in the ice cream shop) is that she is some sort of guardian angel. Whenever she pops up, big things tend to happen. She was in a graveyard in Charming and then when they are in Ireland, she's seen there as well. Most homeless people don't get to travel, lol. I'm always intrigued whenever I see her.

[Iwritecode]

Who is this homeless lady you guys are talking about? Someone in the background I've never noticed?

[DoctorZaius]

Loved the finale - one of the most brutal deaths I have seen on commercial TV. Can't wait for the final season!

[Garrell]

Yes but when is the final season? This started as the final one and changed midway through. Hunnan was scheduled to do the junky "50 Shades of Gray" and pulled out. Told my coworker that it was because they were gonna continue.

[Shannon]

I'm thinking next one will be the last. Calling it now, Jax sells his journals, goes legit that way.

[Bev Vincent]

The next season is the final one. The homeless lady pushed a cart past the dumpster after Juice disposed of certain incriminating items. I sure hope that was a CGI dove in the opening moments!

[webstar1000]

Sons is a great show for sure. I can remember watching the first episode not knowing what it was. Fell in love right away. There is surely something with the homeless lady as she has been in the show many times... back ground.... but there none the less. They say next year is the last season.. I hope it is a great one!

[Iwritecode]

Yes but when is the final season? This started as the final one and changed midway through. Hunnan was scheduled to do the junky "50 Shades of Gray" and pulled out. Told my coworker that it was because they were gonna continue.

I thought they had always said that it was going to go 7 seasons. I don't think Charlie being in 50 Shades had any affect on the decision.

[CRinVA]

From Variety Online (http://variety.com/2013/tv/news/sons-of-anarchy-creator-kurt-sutter-sets-pilot-at-fx-with-brian-glazer-1200949993/#)

FX has ordered a pilot for “The Bastard Executioner,” a new drama project from “Sons of Anarchy” creator Kurt Sutter.

From Fox 21 and FX Prods. , “Bastard” is a period drama that tells the story of a warrior knight in King Edward III’s charge who is broken by the ravages of war and vows to lay down his sword — but when that violence finds him again, he is forced to pick up the bloodiest sword of all.

and

“Sons of Anarchy” just wrapped its sixth season on FX, and season seven of the biker drama will be its last. Sutter has expressed interest in a prequel series to “Sons,” one that would explore origin stories and potentially be in miniseries format.

[Iwritecode]

Sutter has expressed interest in a prequel series to “Sons,” one that would explore origin stories and potentially be in miniseries format.

I read about this a couple of weeks ago. Sounds really interesting. I guess it would explore the club when the original 9 were still all around.

[DoctorZaius]

Yes but when is the final season? This started as the final one and changed midway through. Hunnan was scheduled to do the junky "50 Shades of Gray" and pulled out. Told my coworker that it was because they were gonna continue.

The final season airs next fall. The number of episodes has yet to be determined. Sutter has been given leeway to finish the story the way he wants.

[RUBE]

I don't know how the final season can top the brutal craziness of this one but I am sure it will. I wish Tara would have gone out with more fight than she did. I am going to miss her stare-downs with Gemma.

[CRinVA]

Surprised that this thread has not seen any activity since last December, what with the Final Season being underway!

In summary, bodies are piling up, alliances made, alliances broken, lies told, betrayals galore.

Just wow to the massacre at the prostitute club Diosa!

The Sons, the Mayans, the Angry Bastards (Hello Marilyn Manson), the Aryan Brotherhood, the One Niners, the Irish, Pope Industries, the Chinese....... You have to watch intently to follow!

Relationships building - relationships falling apart!!!


Chibs and Barry (the cop)
Tig and Venus (the transvestite)
Gemma and Juice - who lives, who dies?
Jax and August
Gemma and Wayne - now on the outs
Gemma and Nero - can't possibly last!




And last but not least - in the previews for next week it really looks like,

Jax accepts Juice back into the MC! Where does that leave Gemma, the Tara murdering Bitch!!!!! Does Juice tell all?

Can't wait until next week's episode!

[Shannon]

I love this show, for so many reasons.

I absolutely cannot wait for Gemma to die. It HAS to happen. And Jax should be the one to do it.

[Ben Staad]

I have tried and tried to watch this show but just cannot get into it. Do the bad guys ever develop any desirable characteristics?

[Iwritecode]

We had to rewind the DVR last night when my wife recognized "Theo" (Malcom-Jamal Warner) as one of the Grim Bastards. She literally said "Was that Theo" just as his name flashed on the bottom of the screen.

I recognized Lea Michele as the waitress. Wife had no idea who she was.

I thought the previews for next week sort of ruined the cliff-hanger ending last night. They made it obvious what Jax decides regarding Juice. At least for now...

[Bev Vincent]

I have tried and tried to watch this show but just cannot get into it. Do the bad guys ever develop any desirable characteristics?

Quite the opposite -- any good characteristics they may have had are gone, gone, gone.

I can't believe SAMCRO and the Mayans toasted their deal with Lite beer. WTF?

[Bev Vincent]

We had to rewind the DVR last night when my wife recognized "Theo" (Malcom-Jamal Warner) as one of the Grim Bastards. She literally said "Was that Theo" just as his name flashed on the bottom of the screen.

I recognized Lea Michele as the waitress. Wife had no idea who she was.

I thought the previews for next week sort of ruined the cliff-hanger ending last night. They made it obvious what Jax decides regarding Juice. At least for now...

Didn't watch the preview.

There've been some good cameos this season. Courtney Love was the teacher at the daycare last week ("Gramma's kind of crazy"). Marilyn Manson as the head of the AB in prison.

[RUBE]

I have tried and tried to watch this show but just cannot get into it. Do the bad guys ever develop any desirable characteristics?

Quite the opposite -- any good characteristics they may have had are gone, gone, gone.

I can't believe SAMCRO and the Mayans toasted their deal with Lite beer. WTF?

Yeah, I have been saying for a long while that I don't know why I keep watching this show when no one has any redeeming qualities but here I am still watching. I guess I just need to see how it all ends. At this point I am really just routing for everyone to get what they deserve.

[DoctorZaius]

Love it, love it, love it. Everything about it.

[webstar1000]

Love it, love it, love it. Everything about it.

I'll second that.

[Merlin1958]

Love it, love it, love it. Everything about it.

I'll second that.

Consider me the third.

[Iwritecode]

I’ve noticed that every scene they do with Marilyn Manson he is sitting down. I thought that it was because he was a lot taller than Charlie Hunnam (Jax). I looked it up and they are both 6’1”.

I have no idea why I had it in my head that Manson was a lot taller than that.

[Garrell]

Also love watching "Days of our Lives Biker style". If Gemma lives when it all ends, I will drive to Charming to stab her to death with a dull plastic spoon:ghost_002:

[Merlin1958]

Also love watching "Days of our Lives Biker style". If Gemma lives when it all ends, I will drive to Charming to stab her to death with a dull plastic spoon:ghost_002:


I hear that. What we should have is a pool on just who will do the deed!!

[Bev Vincent]

It's gotta be Jax when he finds out that she killed Tara.

[Merlin1958]

It's gotta be Jax when he finds out that she killed Tara.

So you would think, but I am pulling for "Juice" in the end. Now sure exactly "why", but it would be a sweet twist.

$5 HF pool?

[Bev Vincent]

You're on. Matricide for $5.

[Merlin1958]

You're on. Matricide for $5.

The bet is on!!! LOL Juice is gonna do the deed!! LOL

[RUBE]

Maybe she will finally realize what a horrible bitch she is and off herself... Nope. She would rather just fuck up everyone else's lives so she doesn't feel so bad about her's.

[Garrell]

We are overlooking the best part of this season...whinny Tara is gone.

[Bev Vincent]

Huh -- here's a new possibility. Jax's psycho kindergarten son (who now knows more than Jax does!) pulls the trigger!

[Merlin1958]

Huh -- here's a new possibility. Jax's psycho kindergarten son (who now knows more than Jax does!) pulls the trigger!

Good theory. That kid is creepy!!!

[Shannon]

Yep, that's what direction the show is leaning toward, but ... that's boring. Kid kills Gemma, Jax asks kid why, kid tells Jax what Gemma said, the end. Boo.

If they wanted to make it interesting, the kid tells Jax what Gemma said, Jax kills Gemma. The end.

And more importantly, POOR BOBBY! :(

[Bev Vincent]

It's the final season. Sutter can maim people at will.

[Shannon]

Dear Mr. Kurt Sutter,

Just leave Chibs alone ... and Tig ... and Happy.

Nah, Happy deserves it, he's one sick mothercucker. Oh wait, so is Tig ...

LEAVE CHIBS AND TIG ALONE! You can kill off anyone and everyone else, including the little baby, but leave Chibs and Tig alone.

Sincerely,
Me

[Merlin1958]

Dear Mr. Kurt Sutter,

Just leave Chibs alone ... and Tig ... and Happy.

Nah, Happy deserves it, he's one sick mothercucker. Oh wait, so is Tig ...

LEAVE CHIBS AND TIG ALONE! You can kill off anyone and everyone else, including the little baby, but leave Chibs and Tig alone.

Sincerely,
MeBy rights, Tig should already be dead. I thought he was a goner for sure last season.

[Bev Vincent]

Jax: You're afraid of my mother?
Happy: Everyone is.

Tig & Venus are going to get a spinoff. It'll have to air on Cinemax or Showtime, though. Definitely NSFW!

[webstar1000]

No one will be left... but Juice. I bet ya.

[CRinVA]

One step closer to the finale! Bobby's losing body parts left and right!

Loved it with Abel responding to Gemma's question "do you know what an accident is? and he says "do you know what an accident is?" Terrific foreshadowing! The truth to Tara's death will come out!

[Bev Vincent]

I wonder if we got a foreshadowing of Jax's fate, too: with the implication that his father committed suicide to save the club and his family

When I first saw the crows in Gemma's bed, I thought it was Abel who did it. That kid's gonna break bad at some point.

[Iwritecode]

There were two camera shots that kinda made me think they might have some sort of meaning behind them. One was Unser looking at the old burnt out clubhouse that has yet to be repaired.

The other was the final shot where all the members were in a circle staring down at the box and Jax was outside the circle facing the other direction.

Was this symbolic of what the club has become and Jax growing somewhat detached from the club?

I also think it’s interesting how they really don’t keep up the pretense of being business owners/mechanics who just happen to be “motorcycle enthusiasts” anymore. They showed Gemma in the office at TM looking over some paperwork a couple of episodes ago (when Chucky came in to tell her that he’s a good listener) but that’s about it. It’s pretty amazing how quickly Jax had his bike repaired after having it run over.

[Bev Vincent]

The opening montage was interesting too, with significant transitions from one character to the next, ending with the transition from Jax's jacket to the show's logo.

I think everyone, even Chib, is starting to have some doubts about Jax. But the thing is -- everything that's happened this season is Gemma's fault. All of it.

[Shannon]

Did anyone else catch the anagram on SOA when Unser and the female cop were playing Scrabble? The female cop had the letters REASTEC.

So ... in other words, the female cop has A SECRET.

[Bev Vincent]

Even if she played it on a triple word square, it's not worth much as a play!

And we know she has a secret -- she's not telling the other cops SAMCRO was there when she was shot. Only Wayne knows that.

[RUBE]

The opening montage was interesting too, with significant transitions from one character to the next, ending with the transition from Jax's jacket to the show's logo.

I think everyone, even Chib, is starting to have some doubts about Jax. But the thing is -- everything that's happened this season is Gemma's fault. All of it.

Gemma definitely set it in motion with her lies but Jax keeps making it worse with every decision he makes.

[Bev Vincent]

Not just her lies -- her murder. Jax is trying to get even for Tara's death, and it's all on her.

[RUBE]

I understand that but he hasn't really thought through a single plan. For example, did he really think that attacking the Chinese massage parlors, stealing their guns and dope, and killing one of their main guys could be swept under the rug and that there wouldn't be retaliation?

[Bev Vincent]

He thought the retaliation would be directed against someone else -- not SAMCRO.

[webstar1000]

I understand that but he hasn't really thought through a single plan. For example, did he really think that attacking the Chinese massage parlors, stealing their guns and dope, and killing one of their main guys could be swept under the rug and that there wouldn't be retaliation?

Jax isnt thinking clearly on any front... like killing another Sons Pres?????? What was he thinking?

[RUBE]

Its pretty clear he should leave the thinking to someone else.

[Bev Vincent]

He's massively out of control.

[Shannon]

Another solid episode.

I really thought Bobby was going to make it. :(

[RUBE]

R.I.P. Bobby.

What the hell is Jax going to do now? Marks just showed you that he is not to be fucked with and then you turn around and get him arrested.

Anyone else think Juice might use that blade on himself? They have been pointing out all season how he doesn't do well on his own.

How stupid is Gemma? Abel is definitely going to try to kill her.

[Iwritecode]

They still haven’t revealed what story Juice told Jax regarding how he ended up with Gemma’s SUV. With Unser now having proof that the person that both Juice and Gemma blamed for Tara’s murder couldn’t have possibly been the man that did it, it’s only a matter of time before Jax learns the truth.

What he actually does with that info should be quite interesting. There’s only like 4 or 5 episodes left. Sutter has said that it may not be a happy ending for everyone.

[Shannon]

And with that, folks, we have the most important episode of the series.

Best? Maybe, but even if it's not, it's pretty damn close.

[Garrell]

Was awesome!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Bev Vincent]

I wonder how they decide how long an episode is going to be. It varies anywhere from 1:05 to 1:45, it seems! I still think Unser's going to be the last man standing.

[Shannon]

At this point it seems like they've put the end in motion for everyone. Chibs/Jarry, Tig/Venus, Wendy/Boys (wow, Peter Pan reference much? lol), etc.

Juice, Nero, Gemma, Jax. Dead. Calling it now.

[Bev Vincent]

Only two episodes left to go. Juice has been "dead" in just about every episode for the past two years and he's managed to last this long!

Unser and Wendy will survive. Nero should, but probably won't.

[Shannon]

Nero will be Gemma last victim, he'll go down trying to protect her.

Jax deserves to die after all the shit that went down this season. Not his fault, but he has it coming.

[Bev Vincent]

I think Nero's done with Jemma -- he's got himself to look after and he'll try to make it to his new ranch.

I'm on the fence about Jax. Is it worse for him to die or to see everything that he inherited and created blow up around him?

[Merlin1958]

I think Nero's done with Jemma -- he's got himself to look after and he'll try to make it to his new ranch.

I'm on the fence about Jax. Is it worse for him to die or to see everything that he inherited and created blow up around him?

Very good point!!!

[Iwritecode]

I think Nero's done with Jemma -- he's got himself to look after and he'll try to make it to his new ranch.

I'm on the fence about Jax. Is it worse for him to die or to see everything that he inherited and created blow up around him?

You could say the same thing about Jemma.

[Bev Vincent]

Yes, I think there's a good chance Jemma will survive, but in some kind of permanent exile.

[Garrell]

Juice will be the last man standing:panic:

[Bev Vincent]

I still have my money on Unser, the guy with the death sentence from the first episode.

[webstar1000]

Juice will be the last man standing:panic:

I was in this camp for awhile... I am with you man!

[RUBE]

Dropping like flies...

Juice survived longer than he should have but he was loyal at the end.

Unser's death surprised me but it felt right that he should go out defending Gemma.

I am not sure what to say about Gemma. She has deserved death for along time but in the end I actually had mixed feelings about it. It also showed just how lost Jax is especially now he doesn't have a strong woman in his life. My guess is that he will be the final death.

[TrueNorth]

Gemma needed to die along time ago, Clay and her deserved each other. I have the last show recorded and will watch it tonight.

I read last year SK was doing a cameo. Did he? I haven't missed a show and haven't seen him.

[Bev Vincent]

SK isn't doing a cameo this season -- he did one a while back as the "cleaner" who gets rid of the body from Gemma's father's basement.

I was rooting for two people to survive the show, and last night put an end to that dream. Poor Wayne.

It looks like Mayhem will take Jax in the end. I wonder what "unwritten rule" he was talking about.

[Iwritecode]

SK isn't doing a cameo this season -- he did one a while back as the "cleaner" who gets rid of the body from Gemma's father's basement.

I was rooting for two people to survive the show, and last night put an end to that dream. Poor Wayne.

It looks like Mayhem will take Jax in the end. I wonder what "unwritten rule" he was talking about.

I read that it might be the the un-spoken “no blacks allowed” rule. That would allow the Sons to eventually fold in the Grim Bastards.

[TrueNorth]

SK isn't doing a cameo this season -- he did one a while back as the "cleaner" who gets rid of the body from Gemma's father's basement.

I was rooting for two people to survive the show, and last night put an end to that dream. Poor Wayne.

It looks like Mayhem will take Jax in the end. I wonder what "unwritten rule" he was talking about.

SPOILER ALLERT WAYNE'S DEAD!!
I guess I won't be surprised when I watch it tonight. :eek:

Wayne was the voice of reason between SAMCROW and the COPPERS. My favorite character, I was surprised he survived and bounced back from his cancer.

[Bev Vincent]

It's gotta be Jax when he finds out that she killed Tara.

So you would think, but I am pulling for "Juice" in the end. Now sure exactly "why", but it would be a sweet twist.

$5 HF pool?

I guess that's been resolved...

[CRinVA]

What a tremendous episode last night!

I was pretty surprised when Wayne was shot in the ehart!

So remaining inlcude Jax, Happy, Chibs, Rat, Tig, Nero, Wendy, Abel, Thomas, Barosky, Althea, DA Patterson, August Marks, Alvarez, Chucky, Venus Van Dam, Tully....

One episode to go - who lives, who dies!

Besides Wayne, Juice and Gemma there were a couple of shoot 'em ups - I guess that takes care of the rest of the Chinese!

[TrueNorth]

And down they went one after the other. All right....justice was served. But as Bev had expressed 'Poor Wayne'.

I thought the series could have ended here and it would have been an ok ending. Si or no? I'll watch the last show before I read posts here LOL

[Bev Vincent]

We have to see how the promised Mayhem plays out. Does Jax just give in to that fate? What will he do with his father's manuscript?

[TrueNorth]

We have to see how the promised Mayhem plays out. Does Jax just give in to that fate? What will he do with his father's manuscript?

Jax gives Wendy the manuscript for his sons to have. Because Jax knows he too must die. Fade out....go to black....roll the credits.

[webstar1000]

I have to be honest... this is one of the worst seasons. I love this show and am finding this so predictable. I find myslef playing on my phone or chit chatting with the wife. It just doesnt hold ya like it did. I think they are doing the right thing and ending it after this season. Every episode is a different length too... almost like they dont know what to do. So much filler... all in all not bad though.

[TrueNorth]

The season I almost quit was their trip to Ireland OMG that was painful. It's no Breaking Bad or Dexter.
Oh Water White why did you die..why.....why.....why

[webstar1000]

The season I almost quit was their trip to Ireland OMG that was painful. It's no Breaking Bad or Dexter.
Oh Water White why did you die..why.....why.....why

I agree... that season was the other one I was kind of referring too. Silly... Out of the 7 seasons I would say 4 of them were great... and 3 seasons (dont ask me which seasons they were cause I cannot remember) were AMAZING!

[Shannon]

Hey TrueNorth, how about you delete your fucking spoiler for another show? I've seen it, but if I haven't, I would be tracking down where you live right about now.

[TrueNorth]

Hey TrueNorth, how about you delete your fucking spoiler for another show? I've seen it, but if I haven't, I would be tracking down where you live right about now.

What are you talking about? Wayne? I just repeated what Bev said

[Iwritecode]

Hey TrueNorth, how about you delete your fucking spoiler for another show? I've seen it, but if I haven't, I would be tracking down where you live right about now.

Is that really a spoiler anymore? It's been over a year. What's the timeline on giving away spoilers?

[webstar1000]

Hey TrueNorth, how about you delete your fucking spoiler for another show? I've seen it, but if I haven't, I would be tracking down where you live right about now.

Is that really a spoiler anymore? It's been over a year. What's the timeline on giving away spoilers?

Really. hahaha Thats pop culture shit now man

[Shannon]

If this were the breaking bad thread it wouldn't be a problem, but this isn't the breaking bad thread.

[webstar1000]

If this were the breaking bad thread it wouldn't be a problem, but this isn't the breaking bad thread.

Did you not see it?

[TrueNorth]

If this were the breaking bad thread it wouldn't be a problem, but this isn't the breaking bad thread.

Shannon I agree 100% with you, but the cat was out of the bag.
Go back a few and you will see I posted I was looking forward to watching the latest SONS that I had recorded the night before.
A new post came after that saying Wayne was gone. I was surprised and I just repeated what was said. No harm intended.

[Iwritecode]

If this were the breaking bad thread it wouldn't be a problem, but this isn't the breaking bad thread.

Shannon I agree 100% with you, but the cat was out of the bag.
Go back a few and you will see I posted I was looking forward to watching the latest SONS that I had recorded the night before.
A new post came after that saying Wayne was gone. I was surprised and I just repeated what was said. No harm intended.

I'm pretty sure he was talking about your mention of Walter White.

[Garrell]

LOL. Hate it for you Shannon but it is old news. So glad that Gemma is done. Was starting to think that I was gonna have to drive to Charming and finish her with a plastic spoon like I said a while back.

[Shannon]

Old news to you isn't old news to people that are experiencing the show for the first time. They're called spoilers for a reason, because they spoil something important in a show for someone who hasn't seen it. All people don't watch shows when they are running on tv, some wait. And again, people who haven't seen the end of Breaking Bad shouldn't go into the Breaking Bad thread, because that would be stupid. But for people to spoil something in a non-Breaking Bad thread, that's fucked up.

[Garrell]

So we should make a spoiler alert for any show reference in any thread if it is less than 10 years old? I didn't make the spoiler but was pointing out that is was not intentional. I guess I should say that please don't spoil Dexter because I plan on watching it in the next ten years. Spoiler alerts should have an expire date. I guess I should say please don't tell me the end to Lost or Gilligan's Island?

[webstar1000]

Man if you havent seen Breaking Bad... there is something wrong with you. I see NOTHING wrong with what was said man. You need to chilllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll lllllllllllll.:cool_002:

[Shannon]

I feel like I'm trying to explain physics to a cat. Some people just don't get it.

[Iwritecode]

So what is the proposed time limit on spoilers then? It’s been over a year since the show ended.

Family Guy technically spoiled the end of the Sopranos in an episode once. But they did issue a spoiler alert about the identity of Luke’s father.

[Shannon]

To me, there is no time limit on spoilers. Let's say you're watching the finale of Breaking Bad on TV, but someone somewhere else in the country or world gets it before you. For them to call you and tell you the ending is kind of shitty, no?

If you're on Twitter, or Facebook, or the Breaking Bad thread, without being up to date, then it's your own fault. Other than that, you shouldn't be exposed to important events, especially endings, no matter how long after it aired.

I had the Sixth Sense spoiled for me in an Entertainment Weekly article. I couldn't believe it.

[Merlin1958]

FWIW, I always thought that threads discussing ongoing shows automatically contained spoilers, because they were episode to episode discussions. However, perhaps they ALL should contain "Spoiler" warnings as a matter of form. In any case, to visit an ongoing TV show discussion thread if the series has not concluded seems to me to be an "at risk" endeavor. Saavy web users should know better. JMHO

[TrueNorth]

Mr Mercedes came with its own spoiler on the DJ. Did anyone else think that?
As I was removing the DJ to read I knew who did it before reading a page.

I am glad they got into who-done-it right away. I am really looking forward to Part II of the trilogy.

[Lookwhoitis]

Folks who spoil shows or episodes for others are a bag of dicks.

But we should know this by recognizing how many walking bags of dicks are in the world at any moment (plenty of 'em)

I had Walking Dead's mid season episode spoiled by a facebook post from the damn shows own facebook page forwarded by one of my FB "friends" on the very night it played.

There is a special place in hell for these people.

All it takes is a moment to wrap a bit of info in spoiler tags, but let's face it, the average human being is only concerned about their own viewing schedule and agenda. It doesnt even register on the scale with some of the self centered douchebags out there.

So the moral is, if it is good episode or a hot show, watch that sheeit as fast as you can because it is difficult to avoid all the idiots bumbling around the internet.

And let's all hope they step in gum, or a bird shits on their car or something. (or, better yet, learn and implement some common courtesy)

[RUBE]

Can someone please put "Spoilers" in the thread title so we can discuss this show and not spoiler etiquette?

[Lookwhoitis]

Looking forward to the finale. It has been a hell of a ride!

[Iwritecode]

To me, there is no time limit on spoilers. Let's say you're watching the finale of Breaking Bad on TV, but someone somewhere else in the country or world gets it before you. For them to call you and tell you the ending is kind of shitty, no?

If you're on Twitter, or Facebook, or the Breaking Bad thread, without being up to date, then it's your own fault. Other than that, you shouldn't be exposed to important events, especially endings, no matter how long after it aired.

I had the Sixth Sense spoiled for me in an Entertainment Weekly article. I couldn't believe it.

Having *NO* time limit seems incredibly unrealistic. Obviously if the something is still on-going then you have to be careful. Even up to a couple of weeks afterwards.

But if you are getting into YEARS after something happened, I think it’s fair game. You simply can’t expect everyone to put spoiler warnings on every single little thing. Especially when it moves into pop culture. Like the Family Guy reference I made.

In fact, they also “spoiled” the meaning of Rosebud in Citizen Kane during one episode. Should there also be spoiler warning on movies that are decades old?

[webstar1000]

I agree... if something is on I watch (like the Walking Dead)... I avoid the threads and Facebook/what not the next day till I can see it for myself. I, take responsibility, for ruining it for myself. Not someone else. Now.. when the Walking Dead pulled the stunt about Beth being dead before it aired out west... that is just WRONG. A year is more than enough time... pop culture has taken over for sure.

[Merlin1958]

I agree... if something is on I watch (like the Walking Dead)... I avoid the threads and Facebook/what not the next day till I can see it for myself. I, take responsibility, for ruining it for myself. Not someone else. Now.. when the Walking Dead pulled the stunt about Beth being dead before it aired out west... that is just WRONG. A year is more than enough time... pop culture has taken over for sure.


Wait, BETH IS DEAD?????????????????????????????????????????????? ??????????????????????????????????























































LOL LOL LOL

[webstar1000]

Lol

[Lookwhoitis]

I agree... if something is on I watch (like the Walking Dead)... I avoid the threads and Facebook/what not the next day till I can see it for myself. I, take responsibility, for ruining it for myself. Not someone else. Now.. when the Walking Dead pulled the stunt about Beth being dead before it aired out west... that is just WRONG. A year is more than enough time... pop culture has taken over for sure.


Wait, BETH IS DEAD?????????????????????????????????????????????? ??????????????????????????????????























































LOL LOL LOL

Fixed! :D

[RUBE]

While I haven't always been excited about the way this show seemed to be going, this finale felt just about perfect to me. It made me appreciate what led up to it more. Jax had to become the person he was at the end to be able to realize that he could not be a "good person" and finally make the right decision for his family. Seeing that ring on Abel's finger just showed how strong Gemma's bad influence was and reinforced that she had to go.

Now, who has a theory on who the homeless girl was? If I thought Sutter would include the supernatural then I might would guess she was a real reaper. She always seems to show up right when someone has or is about to die (last year's finale and the last two episodes) and that cloak she gave Jax sure made him look like a reaper right before he killed Marks. Plus her bread was on the highway at the end. Of course this might be a crackpot theory.

[CRinVA]

As series finales go I am quite satisfied with this one. I too would like to know more about the homeless girl!

Didn't Jax's Father die being hit on his bike by a Trucker?

[Bev Vincent]

Yes, that's what happened supposedly after Gemma or Clay tampered with his bike

And there was a nice circularity in that the driver was the guy who gave Gemma a lift up to Oregon (played by the great Michael Chiklis

And as for the homeless girl, she's a mystery. She has appeared a number of times over the years, without explanation

I, for one, would have been equally as happy to see Jax keep riding into the sunset. I know he deserved to die, but he didn't have to. It was a choice.

[Iwritecode]

While I haven't always been excited about the way this show seemed to be going, this finale felt just about perfect to me. It made me appreciate what led up to it more. Jax had to become the person he was at the end to be able to realize that he could not be a "good person" and finally make the right decision for his family. Seeing that ring on Abel's finger just showed how strong Gemma's bad influence was and reinforced that she had to go.

I think Kurt was right when he said that it wouldn't necessarily be a "happy" ending, but a satisfying one. I'm ok with it. They forshadowed Jax's end long before it happened so at least it wasn't much of a surprise. Although the fact that it was a truck driven by Michael Chiklis' character was an interesting twist.


Now, who has a theory on who the homeless girl was? If I thought Sutter would include the supernatural then I might would guess she was a real reaper. She always seems to show up right when someone has or is about to die (last year's finale and the last two episodes) and that cloak she gave Jax sure made him look like a reaper right before he killed Marks. Plus her bread was on the highway at the end. Of course this might be a crackpot theory.


Apparently, she was also in the first season. Jax was at his father's grave and she gave him a blanket. I vaguely remember that scene.

I think the blood and wine (body of Christ, blood of Christ) was supposed to be symbolic but in the end, Kurt let the viewers decide who they thought she was. Her being the Reaper/Angel of Death is sort of what I believe.

I've heard others say they think she's the mother of Rat's girlfriend.

[Iwritecode]

I, for one, would have been equally as happy to see Jax keep riding into the sunset. I know he deserved to die, but he didn't have to. It was a choice.

I wouldn’t have. Jax got what he deserved and he knew it. Him just riding off would have been a huge cop-out.

I remember him saying in one episode that he was just a HS drop-out and an “ok” mechanic. Being an outlaw was the only thing he was good at. Just leaving his club and his sons behind to start a new life somewhere else would’ve been totally out of character.

[Bev Vincent]

I just didn't buy that he couldn't change. Lots of people have second and third lives.

[Bev Vincent]

I hadn't realized how frequently the homeless woman showed up -- IMDB lists her as appearing in 11 episodes over the years, starting in 2008.

[needfulthings]

ARE YOU SURE YOU WANT TO LOOK? I PROMISE I WILL NOT SAY A WORD.http://imageshack.com/a/img674/9234/3tkFa3.jpg

[RUBE]

I almost forgot that the homeless woman is indeed played by the same person as Brook's mom ( the other person to die in JT's crash.) However, I don't really think it is just her ghost or that the mom didn't really die. I think whatever she is used that form for a reason, whatever that may be.

In the EW recap it pointed out that the show started with Jax on a joy ride driving by two crows feeding on a chunk of bread. So the woman, crows, bread, etc are images that are trying to bring our attention back to the beginning, a time when Jax was much more innocent.

[TrueNorth]

I for one was so happy to see Jax lose the runners... :emot-roflolmao:

Loved the closing tune "Come join the murder" Murder as in a murder of birds....as in Samcrow Very very cool ending.

[TrueNorth]

The Tune....
http://www.rollingstone.com/music/premieres/hear-sons-of-anarchy-finale-song-20141209

[Bev Vincent]

Sutter refuses to explain the homeless woman -- on Anarchy Afterword he says she's completely open to interpretation. He just wanted a shade of grey in a world where there's so much black and white.

[webstar1000]

I was happy with the ending... I was not blown away or anything. Again, predictable Hollywood but done well. There are many series finals that disappoint but this was ok. I wish the woman was explained more as well. All in all ok with it.

[DoctorZaius]

A perfect ending. After a slew of disappointing finales (Dexter, Sopranos, etc.) I was expecting the worst, and was instead immensely pleased. Just a bit overboard on the Jesus stuff, and as Sutter said, they should have spent more time/$$$ on the special effects in the end, but still, I loved it. My only regret is that I hear it will be about three years before they do the Redwood Originals 12 episode story. I can't wait for that one. Without the pressure to churn out episodes in a timely fashion, Sutter can work slowly and craft what I am sure will be an intense followup.

[special k]

Maybe the homeless lady is actually JT's ghost in disguise! :)

[TrueNorth]

Maybe the homeless lady is actually JT's ghost in disguise! :)

JT was a cross dresser? Maybe....Gemma did have manly hands