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fernandito
08-24-2010, 11:12 AM
Guillermo Del Toro's IMDB Page (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0868219/)

Notable films : Pan's Labyrinth, Hellboy I/II, Mimic, The Devil's Backbone, Blade II
http://www.ibtimes.com/data/articleimgs/42030-people-guillermo-del-toro.jpg

Ron Howard's IMDB Page (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000165/)

Notable films : A Beautiful Mind, Apollo 13, Cinderella Man, Willow
http://image3.examiner.com/images/blog/wysiwyg/image/Ron_Howard.jpg

candy
08-24-2010, 11:14 AM
hard choice this one, but had to do De Toro for Pans Labrynth alone

fernandito
08-24-2010, 11:22 AM
Del Toro for me too.

Mattrick
08-24-2010, 11:26 AM
Gotta give it to Howard. He's made some very good movies over the year. Del Toro has talent but look at his list of movies...Hellboy, Blade II...I haven't seen Pan's Labrynth yet but I can't give the vote because the guy made one good movie that I haven't seen yet. He's got talent but hasn't to me, proved that he deserves to be one of the greatest directors of all time, yet. I've been more impressed with the movies he's produced/written and hasn't directed.

Howard on the other hand...Backdraft, Apollo 13, Beautiful Mind, Frost/Nixon...and even his other movies like Ransom, Far and Away and Cocoon are all perfectly watchable.

Jean
08-24-2010, 11:55 AM
Del Toro.

Having made Pan's Labyrinth and Devil's Backbone (my personal favorite) he can do whatever he pleases - retire, die, not give a damn - he is already immortal

Heather19
08-24-2010, 01:34 PM
Del Toro

Sam
08-24-2010, 04:51 PM
Pan's Labyrinth is the very film that makes this choice a tough one for me. I thought it was a horrid, plodding, and completely without merit. The acting was ok, but the story itself held no value to me. Not the mark of a good director in my opinion. However, I feel this film is an anomally as every other film Del Toro has made has been spectacular. Go figure.

Ron Howard on the other hand has made some really enjoyable films, some feel good films, and some award winning films. BUT he has never made anything that left me in awe of the film itself. Even Apollo 13, which was a wonder in filmdom, lacked some special spark in the story that left me just a little disconnected. I wasn't ever absorbed into the story of the film. Oh well.

CyberGhostface
08-24-2010, 04:53 PM
Del Toro for me. One of my favorite directors by far.

Odetta
08-24-2010, 06:06 PM
Howard

BROWNINGS CHILDE
08-24-2010, 06:20 PM
Goin with Opie.

Melike
08-25-2010, 12:18 AM
Del Toro, of course.

Jean
08-25-2010, 02:18 AM
Del Toro, of course.
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pathoftheturtle
08-25-2010, 10:03 AM
Whoever made the decision to cast Ron Perlman in the Hellboy title role deserves a little credit right there. Not great films, still, of course, not great at all, but I must admit that they were adapted MUCH better than I expected them to be.

fernandito
08-25-2010, 10:14 AM
Echoing Path's post - I don't think the Hellboy films receive the recognition they deserve. They're not incredible films, but they were very well made, and the way that Del Toro was able to capture the feel of the comics and re-create it faithfully in another medium is what makes Del Toro such a great director IMO.

pathoftheturtle
08-25-2010, 10:19 AM
Among other things, yes. However, I love Howard, too. *sigh* Another tough call.

fernandito
08-25-2010, 10:23 AM
The only Howard film I've been overly impressed with is A Beautiful Mind. Don't really care for the others.

Seymour_Glass
08-25-2010, 02:52 PM
Ron Howard is a perfectly adequate director. Del Toro is an artist.

IWasSentWest
08-25-2010, 04:21 PM
Ron Howard is a perfectly adequate director. Del Toro is an artist.

i was dead set on voting for howard until i read this. i completely agree

Seymour_Glass
08-25-2010, 04:29 PM
Why, thankya.

Mattrick
08-25-2010, 10:39 PM
I wouldn't exactly call Hellboy, Blade II or Mimic art.

Jean
08-26-2010, 01:40 AM
I didn't see Hellboy or Blade II, but, though I am thoroughly satisfied with Mimic, I judge Del Toro by those two monsters, Pan's Labyrinth and The Devil's Backbone.

I agree that no director should be rejected on the account of one poor movie he made; everybody is entitled to a flop once in a while. However, I am sure a director, just like a musician or a writer, can be considered good/great/brilliant if he made even one good/great/brilliant movie. If someone made a masterpiece, it logically shows that he is able to make masterpieces, even if he never makes more than that single one; and Del Toro has already made two.

Woofer
08-26-2010, 09:12 AM
Del Toro.

Having made Pan's Labyrinth and Devil's Backbone (my personal favorite) he can do whatever he pleases - retire, die, not give a damn - he is already immortal

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pathoftheturtle
08-26-2010, 09:55 AM
Del Toro.

Having made Pan's Labyrinth and Devil's Backbone (my personal favorite) he can do whatever he pleases - retire, die, not give a damn - he is already immortalIf I believed that then I would have had to vote for Francis Ford Coppola.
The only Howard film I've been overly impressed with is A Beautiful Mind. Don't really care for the others.He’s done more good ones than that. Not as spectacular as Del Toro’s finest, but still solid works on a human level. He does have the huge fault of being fundamentally a Hollywood director; a kind of poor man’s Spielberg, but Del Toro, apparently, might sell out more himself.

Willow, one definitely formulaic film that Howard directed, I count among the finest of all such pitiful specimens, certainly better than Hellboy. However, I do, as I said, find Hellboy fairly decent, and I can’t find any excuse for that damn Grinch movie no matter how I try. True, everybody messes up once in a while, but putting that with all the rest, yes, I’m now leaning toward Del Toro. Satisfied?

turtlex
08-26-2010, 09:58 AM
Path - the thing is, as it is with all opinion, especially about cinema, each of us uses our own personal criteria when voting. That's the fun of it! :cowboy:

Jean
08-26-2010, 10:02 AM
Del Toro.

Having made Pan's Labyrinth and Devil's Backbone (my personal favorite) he can do whatever he pleases - retire, die, not give a damn - he is already immortalIf I believed that then I would have had to vote for Francis Ford Coppola.
what "that"? I wasn't making a general statement. I was speaking strictly about del Toro.

pathoftheturtle
08-26-2010, 10:29 AM
tutlex: Well, sure, I could have said, "...He’s done more good ones than that, IMO." I just figured that that went without saying. Maybe I did not too well convey my tone; not really uptight, you know, just bantering. It's all good. :)

Jean: Hm. Let me think about that...

turtlex
08-26-2010, 01:41 PM
:blush: Sorry, man, guess I was just pointing out the obvious. I cry your pardon.

Mattrick
08-26-2010, 03:24 PM
I didn't see Hellboy or Blade II, but, though I am thoroughly satisfied with Mimic, I judge Del Toro by those two monsters, Pan's Labyrinth and The Devil's Backbone.

I agree that no director should be rejected on the account of one poor movie he made; everybody is entitled to a flop once in a while. However, I am sure a director, just like a musician or a writer, can be considered good/great/brilliant if he made even one good/great/brilliant movie. If someone made a masterpiece, it logically shows that he is able to make masterpieces, even if he never makes more than that single one; and Del Toro has already made two.

Del Toro is good. Just had to piont out Del Toro has made some non-art movies at the same time.

And Howard and Del Toro are two different film makers. Howard has been most famous for his realisitc depictions of stories and events. Where as Guilermo Del Toro walks more on the surreal line of work. I think Howard is just as much of an artist as Del Toro, they are just two totally different types.

Jean
08-26-2010, 08:10 PM
I agree.

pathoftheturtle
08-27-2010, 12:46 PM
Yar; third. Moreso than most of the other threads, it's difficult to compare these directors.
:blush: Sorry, man, guess I was just pointing out the obvious. I cry your pardon.No, no! Once again, it's all good. I know it's not always easy to see where someone's coming from. np :)

fernandito
08-31-2010, 11:41 AM
Guillermo Del Toro advances !

Jean
09-01-2010, 03:46 AM
oh bliss...

Melike
09-06-2010, 05:48 AM
The first time a director I voted for advanced. :nana:

Jean
09-06-2010, 05:54 AM
yes, such moments are preciously few in bears' life, too